in the back. lewis bus driver, and consider her a party for not being willing to do that. she was coming home from work at 6:00 at night, she left past 5:00, goes to the drug store and buys a few things, boards the bus, sits in the middle section and it is a known man's land, in that black people, this is not the white section and she makes clear she is not sitting in the white section. there are a lot of myth she sits in the white section. she is sitting in the middle section. the middle section, black people would sit there but if she put it on the whim of the driver could be asked to give up their seat. the first stop after she gets on, the bus fills up, one white

man is left standing. the bus driver notices this, his name is james blake, he tells the people in rosa parks's row, for this one white man to sit down, all four people in this row has to get up and he asks them to get up and no one moves. the axe again, you better make it right on yourself and the other three people reluctantly according to rosa parks get up and as she puts it, she pushed as far as she could be pushed, if she got up she would be consenting to this treatment and she did not consent. a young 14-year-old had been lynched in mississippi, she thinks about her grandfather and she refuses and so she actually, the man sitting next to her get by her and flies over to the window and refuses. the bus driver says i am going to have you arrest a.

she says you may do that. the bus driver gets up and calls the police, doesn't have a cellphone. we can think about what is happening, she is sitting there, those of us who have been on the bus when somebody makes a scene, people are grumbling, getting off the bus. the police officers get on the bus and many of us think about rosa parks being quiet and rosa parks is certainly at shy reserved person but rosa parks is not quiet in key moment and when the police officers get on the bus and asked her why she didn't move she says why do you push us around? i do think rosa parks in many moments challenges in her body and also with her voice that system of inequality in this country and she is arrested. >> host: the teaching of history, we all learned rosa parks sat on the bus in the

white section. this is what you write in your book "the rebellious life of mrs. rosa parks," turn of the century reconstruction history held a good black people as differential and happy, said too, so does the incessant celebration of rosa parks as quiet and not a angry. >> we learned about her. she is incredibly celebrated and honored. on the other hand we hear about one day rosa parks had a lifetime of activism both in montgomery and they leave montgomery in 1977 and she will spend the second half of her life as an activist in the detroit fighting the racism of the jim crow no.. she will continue to do that. rosa parks will call malcolm x her personal hero, the active against the war in vietnam, active against apartheid, a picture in my favorites in the book of an older rosa parks

protesting outside the south african embassy, she will continue to the end of real-life saying the struggle is not over, there is injustice in this country and she will be resolved to keep fighting and yet i think the way rosa parks is tossed is as a problem resolved in the past when the actual rosa parks said there is much more work to be done. >> host: how did you do the research on this book? >> guest: i had to do a lot of digging. i went to all sorts of archives, in part because part of rosa parks's papers were caught in a dispute over her estate, had gotten the papers to sell with all of her in effect, they languished in new york for a decade until this summer howard buffett made an incredible donation and recently gave them to the library of congress and

in february theyopened. they are re

>> and now joining us on book tv, john goodman of the independent institute. >> a think tank, and i just just started my own think tank called the given institute. we work closely together. i am an economist. my focus on southern politics. >> where are you based? >> ii am in dallas, we have a virtual think tank. i can be anywhere. >> you have written about healthcare for quite a while. is that a fair statement? >> pretty fair. >> here is your most recent book a better choice, solutions for america. the affordable care act is now law of the land. >> it is. this focuses on six big

problems with obama care that are not going away and will require congress and the president to get together and solve them. if they don't things will get back. >> what is problem number one? >> do you accept the affordable care act as the law of the land? of course it is the law of the land. it is bad reform. we can do better. that is what i am trying to do. >> the biggest problem in your view was the affordable care act. >> required to buy an insurance package is costs will grow faster than our income. it is going like this. the federal government's help will be spending on medicare. spending on medicaid hospital. subsidies and exchanges will

grow only with the economy. government help is flat. more and more the burden to shift. >> wise healthcare going like this? >> we mainly don't pay for healthcare with our own money. just like people in other countries,countries, we pay for with our time and somebody else hands over the money. >> i would create a level playing field. buying insurance for you. they should not be in the market.

>> doesn't obama care offer us affordability? >> no, no. individually on insurance. it really tries to stop you. >> i would like to. i would like to see universal tax credit give everyone the same amount of help. really universal.

and it is very keen here. they need to be flexible wrapping around 3rd party. this could be a huge boon to the chronically ill any of them would like to manage their own healthcare. >> you write as one of the problems, one of the six solutions real insurance. >> president obama said we will end the discrimination against people that have pre-existing conditions. but we got is a bait and switch. right now insurance companies can turn you down or exclude you because of a pre-existing illness. what we are seeing is this race to the bottom in the exchanges, the very narrow

networks. you can find out there is no our doctor within 50 miles of you. that is intolerable. should not be based on the health condition. they needs to be in addition to that. >> part of the debate we have on healthcare in this nation whether or not healthcare is a right. >> no place in the world has made healthcare right. the language of right distracts us from what is really happening. i think access to health care can be made better in the united states and what is happening with obama care , the way it works people in medicaid.

>> medicaid. >> i would let everyone join medicaid. medicaid. let everyone in medicaid get out. most medicaid these days are run by private health plans. long waiting. private insurance is better. >> is it politically feasible? >> of course. i would like to see the uniform tax credit available 8,000 families.

but the vast majority of people are not going to want to be in medicaid. >> john goodman independent institute, goodman institute. here is the book. healthcare solutions for america. >> the 66th annual66th annual national book award and sell this past wednesday in new york city. this year's winners included : ..