>> en she did not set up the killing of tupac. he was also shot in the head >> that is the way to keep the investigators off of the [laughter] one last question? thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

>> the other zero son of virginia, the year 1989 what happened? >> the people of virginia decided that it would collectively the governor of the commonwealth of virginia

>> host: why was that historic? >> guest: a person of color was never elected to leadership anywhere in this country. one of the things like to swap - - stress why would you be surprised? virginia is where found its independence where we unify the nation as we continue to produce it is the sentiment because it says we will still be in the forefront. >> host: where reborn?

>> richmond i only had one home the entire time. my father built the house himself. to me that is a reclamation of a family and they see what is going on in america today. it is very important to have a family and community bringing up children but it takes the community and government. what i try to show why can't you do it? eidenshink edits the testament but there left to

themselves. at the u.s. conference of mayors spoke of the metropolitan engines and to put in domestic violence to build america from within. >> host: and john quincy adams fashion you went from governor to the mayor of richmond. what was the difference and why? >> guest: my grandson who was the senator and

lieutenant governor isn't he going backwards? it doesn't matter richmond did not have a strong mayor form of government i thought it was time to change and got the people to agree. we changed how the mayor select and city council to a form of government. i had no idea they would say you are the guy. so i agreed for the one on one term. >> you miss being an elected office? >> no. but i lecture in a talk i me with elected officials all the time.

i don't miss it. the people are expecting more from their elected officials. to be true representatives but i always believed governing for the people of the people and by the people. that message is what we don't have today. there are too many other entities involved the don't really represent the interests of the people. >> host: governor wilder how large of a campaign issue was race? >> to meet i never had a person refused to talk to me or shake my hand or the

slightest insult, i was never denied entrance i never stayed in hotels or motels and go to every city in every county in virginia. said they can tell you to the extent they judge people by the way they look or the way they dress it is a mistake but to that extent that is one of the reasons i am proud to say i of a son of virginia. >> host: what about your predecessor governor mcdowell? >> guest: i testified in

his trial on his behalf i thought the wrong person was being convicted and sentenced. but by the same token the law by which she was convicted was federal not state ioc is a crime. but the law is a lot to the extent that has happened i wish him the very best he is out on appeal. what to wait and to determine that says you don't have to receive any benefits to do anything and

i testified because i thought he was a good man. >> finally a push around the country to remove confederate symbols from the college kibbutzes -- campuses. what are your thoughts but? >> the first time i determined i thought i was objecting to the word he said he was to be reunited so they keep them separated. have a duty that if you can't get past the trust the

state has no business the relegate others. i don't think the government should be a part of protecting confederate flags or immigrants and it took me five or 10 minutes to do it. and there never has been any objection. i have friends i have no problem with them. and then to promote that. >> host: one more question. i'd like. [laughter] should virginia governor's be allowed to run for more

than one term? >> i thought so most think so. put a very strong governor that they say to give him this much power eight years is too much. i think there can be compromised with some of those powers to be given to the legislature. it would take some time to learn the job of governor. for years with tenet governor for years governor is a different ballgame. suggested think it should change. >> host: of life in america's political arena. . .

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