struggle it transcends any distinction of national and religious identity, start overtime people who are intent on opening wounds versus those that want to close them. the legacy endures as a challenge, and then his memory i asked everyone to try to find a way that we commit to use our words and actions to advance the cause of piece. [applause] [applause] >> wonderful to have you here.

that was a great speech. i just want to say on behalf of everyone here how much we appreciate everything that you do. your untiring efforts in every regard, not just the israeli-palestinian issue, climate change. your inspiration, and we hope. in that regard. >> i have to ask him all the questions. your staff said i was the only one i could ask you questions. in that regard there is a certain sense of what you had to say. the underlying message is

basically it's up to them now. it is up to the palestinian authority and the government of israel that in a sense you have done what you can. is that the message? >> not completely. not entirely. is there frustration? sure there is. you were there working with us. we may great progress. we advance the ball in many different ways. very close. things got in the way of it. i don't want to go backwards , but i think that i believe we do still have -- exclusively not up to them but it is mostly up to them.

we can help shape, support, provide a foundation which will give them confidence that if they do x, y, or z we will be there, others will be there in the following things will happen that is important. the united states always plays a fairly critical role in providing that kind of assurance, and we are an unparalleled convener. we have an ability to bring people to the table, to help in these matters. but fundamentally -- and i say this respectfully, folks outside the on the other side of the fence, the choices are clear. if they get weaker i believe

that is a danger for islam. how is israel advantaged out of chaos in the west bank or to have another war with gaza? gaza is ready. it is very, very tense. it is important for us to take steps with respect to gaza and the west bank together. there are some things he is prepared to try to do. the violence is made the climate difficult. politicians screaming at you it closes the political space but nevertheless you have to do what is in the best interest of the country the one person who is most committed to nonviolence,

you send an incredibly negative message to the rest of the people who are frustrated. you have to give life to these instruments are want to find ways to give life to them in order to feel that different set of possibilities. right now a lot of young people growing up in the west bank you don't see a future and the question is what choices we will they make? i think israel has a vital national security interest in morning to do more. i believe there are people within the security establishment who believe just what i said.

is predominantly up to them and asked to be a greater indication of the thingsthat are willing to do to move down the road. >> an example, oslo divided the west bank and the three sectors. a sector which has exclusive security and administrative rights. security in israel, administrative the palestinian. 60 percent, as i just said.

notwithstanding that it is supposed to be exclusively within the jurisdiction, and the reason for that, israel asserts that they do not do it and have not done things to protect israel and so forth. so israel is going to resort to self-help. there should be a greater effort cooperatively with everyone including us. military representative to west bank. work with them and uphold the agreement. we started this process we put in a bunch of economic measures. increasing the amount of water that flowed, the number of permits for work.

the problem is we are three years down the road with a disappointing process in the intervening time that reduces trust and hope. just coming in with the same kind of measure will not get it done again. what i'm trying to persuade people is to go further to indicate a political horizon , something that begins to say yes, you can have a state. there is a way to get there. open up opportunities for them build, have some agriculture,agriculture, do some business and begin to strengthen themselves. that will begin to send a very different message. it does not mean you have a big negotiation.

that opening up a new set of promises personnel, you cannot produce, but it is real and tangible in terms of the transition. as i said earlier, it does not have any negative impact on israeli security because he was still have the legal right to israel for full security. only affects the right to build some housing. that is one of the kinds of steps. >> and it sends a signal. >> that is absolutely correct and very important. right now because of the municipality laws and the settlements that are there there is a significant reduction in the availability, a lot of areas that have been taken under state control and therefore

are not available to palestinians which raises questions about whether it is ever going to come back or not where israel is really going with this. both sides have legitimate questions, the other day i was in cyprus where we are working hard to try to break the conflict. and i had dinner with the leader of the turk and president of us does he at least, the leader of the greek separatists. and we have now built the support of the turkish government angry government very much supporting the movement forward, and they are talking to each other. they had dinner together and they sat there and had a discussion about how they can provide for each other security on my resolve. that doesn't happen in this conflict. 1948. it does not happen. so we have to change the paradigm.

rather than keep blaming each other we have to start saying you know what, we have to build. we need to build command that is what we think these policies can begin to do. >> well, he needs to change the rhetoric about law. he made some very incendiary comments about the alloc's of moss. there were some very insightful comments made. i think one of the problems is he does not control some of the people. it is not control the arab-israeli the runaround and grab a knife. nobody controls that now. that is social media driven and a reflection of some of the challenges we face with what is happening in terms of the radicalization of unemployed youthful populations that have no sense of future.

so the issue here is can the palestinians work with, deal with a transition in their own government which has to improve? there are levels of corruption and challenges that must be taken on. there are in addition textbooks, education, things like that, a lotthat, a lot of things that could begin to change that would reflect the israel that the palestinians are working. but if you are not sitting down all you are doing is hurling invective is on each other on aa daily basis, there is no prayer of beginning that kind of conversation which is a problem today. other than the security exchanges there is good cooperation there when they are working still despite everything else.

you could begin to break down some of these barriers. >> one more question. you have done an amazing job all of these external parties around the table. they disagree on so much. how do you see them actually getting to an agreement for the commitment? if i said i am going to go, the russians who fear that there will be chaos, the saudi's who won't do anything unless, how do you navigate that? in particular, how do you deal with the fears about the day after? that seems to be what motivates a lot of the concern. >> you don't have one day after.

you have a process. and this is what we work hard to achieve. i had a very constructive meeting with the prime minister in belgrade the other day on the sidelines of the osce. and that followed a very constructive meeting that president obama and i had with president the day before in paris. two days before in paris where we really talked about these questions and believe it or not despite all the other problems it was genuinely constructive and trying to find answers. i think russia understands and he ran is coming to understand that the better how much you might want to be, even if we were the most machiavellian and went back

on the promises, which we are not about to do. couldn't do it. you can't do it. there is no way to stop the support for the sunni fighters. on that side of the ledger there is no way to stop them from attacking going after. you can't end the war. part of the attraction is the fact that they are there

external assault by the rest of the world comeau which if you have the right narrative you can build and do a pretty good recruitment tool which is what they are doing which is the danger. and so if they stay those who are continuing to fight will attract more jihadists. and ultimately it is they who will be the tougher fighters of the better on in the more perceived as capable of getting rid of the sod. then what do you have? that is your day of implosion, progressive transfer. in doing so they are supporting hezbollah, iran,

and the sod. and if you have an interest in having a relationship with the sunni world which they do that is not a good equation. so i think that there is a reason here. that isthat is what happens and diplomacy or in anything. politics. people have to have a reason, and interest. your interest has to be defined and you have to be able to make a tangible. russia has lost america. a report on unrest in russia i think there are reasons that we all have to want to end this as fast as possible. we are trying to set up a transitional negotiation

where a sod has to begin to devolve some power. the election is fixed. a ran had its own proposal of cease-fire, constitutional rewrite, unity government an election. the question here is when and how can we get to the point where it is clear that a choice must be made and you can have a smooth transition with the christians are protected, jews are protected, the sunni are protected and you have all segments of society. the other thing, as i said is a nonsectarian unified state.

it is absolutely vital to have a ran, turkey, jordan, lebanon, russia, the united states and all the other allies united and wanting a united syria. that is why this is sort of a decent shot. if russia and iran stand as a block and allow a sod to simply stiff the process and get in a transitional it will be clear the problem children are and are options will be narrowed. what happened in paris. they can alter the politics of europe in an existential

way forever. we all have an obligation to recognize danger, danger to russia because there are more than 2,000 chechnya and spiting, learning tradecraft so there is a lot of reason that people have an interest. what we have been doing and is the right strategy, trying to underscore to everybody what their interests are and get them to act on those interests. if we can do that successfully we may get somewhere. i'm not sitting here saying that this will work. i am saying that it could if everyone plays the role making the right choice. if they don't we are still going to have to go destroy them. we will just have to decide to do it in a different way. >> i think i speak for

everybody here. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> the forum also heard from the israeli defense minister the talked about several regional issues and the role of the us. this is an hour and 20 minutes.

>> thank you. please join me in welcoming. [applause] >> thank you. thank you. thank you all for being here. shabbat shalom. this is our 12th forum, and i want to take the opportunity to thank all of you for your hard work. thank you. [applause] paris, beirut, isi s, dumas,

libya, russian airliner, i'll be sure front, al qaeda , hezbollah, buckle around, sinai, a sod, hamas, and many more. allall of the names, places, and organizations i just mentioned are united by a common theme which can be summarized into words, chaos and confrontation. everywhere we look around the world there is mayhem. and no one, no one is better positioned to address these challenges and to speak with us about them tonight than the israeli ministry of defense also known as bogie.

a little background. israel's minister of defense since march 2013 after serving as vice premier administer a strategic affairs. a defeat. throughout his career he has played an instrumental role in keeping israel secure and strengthening the ongoing security and military cooperation between israel and the united states. but there is another side that i would like to share with you. my wife and i are staunch supporters of friends of the israel defense. what we do is take care of the well-being of the young

men and women who defend the jewish motherland. and motherland. and i can attest to the fact that ministry alone has not just committed himself to the protection of israel and his people but he also carries the personal sense of responsibility toward every single one of these young men and women who protect the jewish motherland. and for that we are forever thankful to you, minister. [applause] so tonight the minister will be in a conversation with the seasoned savant form veteran. we all n associate editor and distinguished columnist of the post. and the author of eight spy

novels filled with tension with nothing to do with reality, all fiction. but a lot of fun. ladies and gentlemen please welcome defense minister alone in my friend. [applause] >> thank you. it is nice to be called seasoned, although i would note that when he heard that he said to me it sounds like a salad. maybe not so great. it is great to be here. i will call him mr. minister. and i want to begin with the issue that everyone here was thinking about today.

we have had a terrible tragedy in san bernardino california. and we have learned that shooters certainly a wife has had a connection online at least a sworn allegiance online to the leader of isi s which means that we are now living with a kind of terrorism in our midst that israel has lived with for all of its history. i want to ask you to begin by giving us some do's and don'ts. you know what we ought to do and you also know what we should not do. begin with that.

>> it is good to be here. thank you for inviting me. it is good to be among friends here. i can't start answering the question without mentioning the former minister. i knew both of them. both of them were committed and devoted. bless them. [applause] going to your question, --dash is not just a group of terrorists. ..

>> >> although we manage to contain dash end regarding

that starting to deal with israel justin the end that the main course is this is a global idea. we have to fight dash share especially the islamic state, and iraq. but actually in israel now is part of the social read implements effect it was affected by the idea whether

dash or something else or nothing. to be available in the united states this is a global challenge in which i believe in the united states should be the leader in order to meet this challenge >> so i need to ask is president obama danehy a strong enough leader in this moment? does he need to speak up more? >>. [laughter] meet.

>> going to the middle east but with the challenges with syria with dash and the eastern part of syria so in that current situation to play a significant role in the united states. would like the fact that king ago a -- of to lung but should have been very different we believe new

states can sit on the fence are with the she axis supported by russia. or by dash. that is why we clean -- claim they will play a more active role in the religion. with a geopolitical division is very solid. and all of the elements are supported by russia. but to be complicated with turkey and nato.

is very complicated. and the elements but the most significant camp looking for a leadership on the same page with this camp the united arab emirates looking for leadership. >> i think i hear you say but in the contrast between flooded near putin and president obama the that obama needs to take leadership of the if you have any hope of success may

be with israel as a silent partner. as we talk about the strategy to find partners of the ground but what did vice how do we give strong group leadership to end of having to have the partners we don't have no? >> orchestrate the sunii elements. to have hegemony and quite

successfully and to fight back. a new phenomenon. with the soviets -- elements and in order to have western boots on the ground you cannot defeat dash without boots on the grounds of a power the local boots of the ground with the other elements in syria who are looking for something different this is an opportunity there should be orchestrated. >> there are people in this

and the tribal leaders that i talk to you say we will not make that commitment that you talk about unless the united states has more skin in the game and that want to ask you is that right to have more troops in the fight? >> that should be as a last resort to finance working as an example following from the very beginning and the

western party decided to support and they defeated dash in syria and pakistan. and many elements are to fight for their life. they should happen supported from the very beginning. >> susan rice talked about interesting part of the strategy that secretary kerry has led with the cease-fire to get around the same table is his real comfortable with the process to draw a river and the

regional diplomacy? >> but here know we have a very clear strategy it is the sensitive position we don't intervene now we have our opinions. but to form that syrian side to be operated but

unfortunately with the deal or the implications more confident to be perceived as part of its mission and gaining hegemony everywhere. is part of revolutionary guard. now in a situation is a challenge so to feel more confident to get more money

to use it to produce more. and then to talk about it. and then also with his beloved with less money and then they cannot smuggle weapons because of the egyptian activities so they give them the know-how. this is the rand supporting them in yemen. smuggling weapons supporting

other religions. >> we have to realize the vienna forces but to provide the opportunity to gain hegemony. >> the question you are faced with also is whether it is more dangerous to have an isis strong and syria or iran strong because it looks like right now there is the tories will not have that

coalition that has come down so strongly. so what is the bigger threat? that is the question. but is to support the kurds. >> we are ready to fight isis and most of them want to fight a side -- assad. it is complicated.

to launch an offensive to take over to gain territory first of all, that will not happen because of the difficulties and the lack of the determination of the revolutionary guard corps. nevertheless with those elements so they decided to

go how can you manage? and ready to hear about assad in the future of syria. to respond to a problem for 18 months that syria will suffer in a long period of time. to see this tragedy of those casualties through the refugees it is a tragedy you

cannot make eggs from an omelet so all of the idea is launching a military offensive so with syria over kurdistan and to be able to get rid of dash to be devoured by the rest. >> you can all appreciate a very frank and direct that of the answers it is not

what u.s. policy is it is in the question of the nuclear deal. the prime minister of is they went to great lengths but here it is now we're toward the implementation as a senior representative with the top concerns of the next phase of the implementation. of how it is implemented.

aunt to delay it is around the corner. the not incidentally but not incidentally at the facilities were. >> when you say we should be ready? is there a way to prevent the proliferation?

that would reduce the danger to get into the hands of every player. that wasn't an excuse to talk about iraq or syria. but they cannot tolerate nevertheless whether iran is nuclear not the effect is the idea and should be

stopped. what those culpability is with the iran suffering within a couple of weeks when with more money to spend on what? to sell more weapons to hezbollah?

with those billion dollars so does the president tried to present that with the idea we cannot verify their immune compliance. with the safeguards of the agreement through intelligence capabilities we can know a high degree of confidence if iran is cheating. wendy begin the implementation? it is simply publish.

with the nuclear weapons yes no one. [laughter] is said that his publisher now. with those nuclear capabilities. now i believe they will comply. any changes iran is out of the question.

but not in 15 years but in five or seven years. one just feel committed with military nuclear power. with u.s. security council's on a daily basis. but there is the installation of arms know it is ignored. >> we have prominent figures in the room to give you a

chance to lobby them. in part to talk about the new memorandum of understanding in the new period to supply additional weapons to keep the edge talk about what you need that you don't have now. with all the differences i

know what i'm talking about. the relationship between the 2n to go to the department of defense in just six weeks ago i was ill to discuss the culpability is to move into the country. regarding the culpability of the policy we tried to come

to any type of solution and with the prime minister over the next decade and especially. so yes this commitment is very important and what to ask a couple more questions.

so with that palestinian situation in the attacks on israelis and doesn't appear to be as directed it is something different it requires different tactics and i want you to talk about how you will deal with us uncoordinated dangerous situation it is a new phenomenon with the

excitement of the hatred or the dash web site or the loss website to clean up the execute every plant with the site -- excitement with the palestinian education i supported them personally under the late mr. ravine.

one to see mr. prime minister and have tornillo analyses any science of reconciliation and contrary i don't have to use my a sophisticated sources for the textbooks with any type of political sentiment. to be an insult to try to

kill the first jewish guy. according to the educational curriculum with the jewish state with the palestinian with the settlement to conclude any type of political settlement is easy to mobilize one the intel

with the palestinians to convince them. and that will work any junction or any station for is really in this case it is also easy with the social media we try of course, to convince him with that

incident led to deploy the security edison's something we can do like that but in the past with a more

significant threat. >> used all my question if you were to lay out a resolution of the israeli palestinians issues long term. with this apparatus had to resolve the conflict?

first of all, of a blake to emphasize although we hear again and again with syria or iraq of with the iranian threat that with the israeli government and we are happy

for political independence with the parliament decided to be too political and deceit -- entities on the west bank. our interest with the confidence we want them has reliable having said that again and again with camp

david retried to come to the table to negotiate which is ready to recognize the nation's to the jewish people and is a conflict that existed before according to their perception the we succeeded even now with the wave of terror that there the more civilized entity like gaza

and what we do now. solana databases that is independent on the spur growth based off the economy not talking about the west bank and the palestinians are dependent on us. economy on the west bank in the settlement in selling

the commodities can be be a viable state can we be a viable state? so we're siamese twin. we can survive. so talking about security with the result of security no way for what is happening

gaza and a couple of months in the west bank and it does happen security wise. for that situation dash we think it can survive look at egypt if you don't want to govern them recall that approach on the economy and

security to slowly slowly bear in mind is the new palestinian empire to be dependent on israel. they will survive. as well as tritium. -- jordanian. >> the description of siamese twins a lot of people would say that is the one state solution. and in 2020 the population

of that entire territory is jewish. >> i believe the of palestinians and with the political stipulation with the parliament or the government we should keep it. looking for such a solution

to the one state solution to keep the business and interest. so i am not in favor of once the solution i'm not sure that is an option. >> i want to take back to iran. landers and the concerns about the deal but it is done now. fully implemented fully enforced then 15 years it could not have a nuclear weapon what could you do to address the concerns you identify? had argued take a vintage of the landscape to reduce the

risk that you see? >> i agree and those who claim to take a vintage is looking were generating we talk about it even in the '90s that 70 percent since the is more interested in governing and it is more money now to resolve the political isolation.

to enjoy more room to maneuver internally. i don't see any change of the ideology of iran and it should be wiped off the map. and i don't see the chance in our new future. but then not sure this is a policy. nevertheless we should watch very carefully and now we

have certain issues with the human rights issues with the dissidents it might be an issue to deal with or not.

>> anybody else? >> i am the ranking member of the zero house foreign affairs committee in the met with this the other day. so could you share with us what you told us that what you look at iran is a great

strategic threat why iran concern to more i agree the states of the jewish people that people say what does it matter? why do they have to of knowledge that? when i met with him on the west bank he said israel can call itself would never once rigo to united stationed -- united nations to have their name changed. can you answer those two questions? >>.

>> i wouldn't dare summarizes question. it was what we discussed earlier the you told the committee with a greater threat to israel could you elaborate? >>. >> isis is the enemy of everybody. look at the coalition. after the cash -- but most

of the parties and dash is dash. thousands of troops it should be targeted and then to mobilize the other elements. just because of the money. so the villagers to provide

them military support but is part of the free syrian army. booktv al qaeda followers and dash will be defeated. it is the original superpower. with that revolution to sacrifice for it that the first priorities to the

revolution to be perceived as the key to fight dash. today's situation with the political sentiment for syria. >> also the recognition as a jewish state. >> the way we signed the peace accord is a non-issue

this is the way to educate the young generation. the was the palestinian land where we sign the peace accord to say no more bloodshed. what did we get?

and with that disengagement no violence anymore. what did we get? then to conclude to resolve with there is no chance for the finality of claims without any compromise. >> two points to the u.s. israel relations with the secretary of defense ash

carter do right here the intimacy for the security to security relations you have a high degree of confidence united states and israel will work closely on implementation? and you say it's a done deal. it is an important signal that i have a high level of confidence that they're sharing of information endeavor difficulties will not spill over into the implementation phase. to make sure you have that high level of confidence. into the first state to be jewish to orchestrate the

pragmatic coalition. are the things that the u.s. can do. not just the gulf state but israel. that you are not already doing? that the security relationship with the things you're not already doing. as the orchestra conductor? >> the first one we do share information diligence to include the iranian issue we

might have differences. but if we agree it should be strictly implemented then there is a lot to do together of course, . not just the united states and israel is part of the deal to share the information and having said that because of policy and to have such experience in the past with the interpretation because of

interest. >> how can the u.s. help israel? with the relationships it is in a situation you can hardly mention the term israel coming out of the conflict. i believe we're on the same page regarding the media interest and in that situation is real can

support from behind the scenes is our sensitivities regarding the coalition so we can find a way that is orchestrated by the united states. >> with the last explosive fireworks from jeffrey goldberg. [laughter] if you could ask a question anytime you want. explosive? mr. minister i will come back to something. you gave an interesting

answer and helping get the answer the question but what constitutes the one state solution? you said you don't believe in one state solution but it has to do with the demographic reality and what it will look like. you will have a country a single government to be in control of populations. of the jewish population have a franchise they can vote for their leaders but on the arab side only a portion can. i would disagree with your political independence and have no freedom of movement or not their own borders.

what is that moment when half of the people are arabs and they do not have the vote? how do you describe that? >> we have to distinguish unlike the political slogans with an politicians on both sides. so regarding integration to be integrated to a our society. this is a benefit to with

the situation in syria or yemen or iraq with israeli society so of the 20% and we should look. and to be integrated for those who claim a one state solution. and it is more complicated and in jerusalem but let's

get the one state solution and then to talk about further responsibility if they take it for those that are proposed to be the successor and not to allow us to have the two-state solution that is the israeli idea the policy is not to

govern them this is our policy. this is a different way of a once a solution. and we should keep them to make progress this is the only way for this situation to just imagine if we had to give up regarding security in the west bank from

televisa and so forth. but the fact to be relatively stabilized security. and then hamas will take over. and not to go to the well-known solution to make progress and the economy. to be relatively stabilized situation.

>> when he says have a quick follow-up question i say yes, sir,. [laughter] >> thank you. i want to follow-up quickly. i know you don't want the once a solution but it sounds like one-and-a-half that the palestinians have half the states or 40% with no sovereignty into demolish nine getting permits to any

of the territory is that part of israel? you personally have control of the 60% so what will happen with that? >> in the early sentiment's the recommendation to the defense minister with the external boundaries and is not a palestinian state it is something different with a political entity.

>> that is when it comes to territory in is part of the political forces. to understanding not to construct new settlements but talk about the settlement and is a sensitive issue of to have the right to live in jerusalem or galleria.

outcome to have a right to live in certain territories? if you look at core existence living side-by-side benefiting from each other and ethnic cleansing.

to enjoy employment of the ambassador. so we can benefit if we talk about the court's assistance to live side-by-side we should find a way that yes with the political independence with the government's is the case we can talk about more territory. >> we have a long day tomorrow we should bring this to a close. i want to tell you one more way your powerful person with oldest daughter is due to deliver my first=4g%grandchid

realizing that you were here she decided to wait. [laughter] [applause] [inaudible conversations]

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focusing on functional areas within a single set of criteria the wait time and the availability of services with access to emergency care. streamlined rules to simplify the referral process. third high-performance network partner in with community partners to enable v.a. to supply and demand utilization better. making health information easier and help veterans make the best choices possible. and prompt payment with the reverse process to allow the adjudication and a faster and more accurate payment to

make the a truly integrated health care system. it will take time but we improve the experience of care in the community in the near term expanding the provider based for those participating in medicaid and try to get the scene within two business-- when necessary. yesterday announced new changes with their house counterparts. veterans are eligible if not a facility full time position within 40 miles. now we take into

consideration the nature of the care and how often someone needs to accompany them if you just need the flu shot par round of chemotherapy they may qualify for choice no matter where they live. we're making it more accessible well working toward consolidation expect to accomplish a number of consolidation objectives with the authorization process standardization with the dot one dash dot with contractor support successful application with the coronation. these objectives are at the committee care team dedicated full time to consolidate community care

you're eager to afford with consolidation to be a collaborative effort with congress led many improvements is only possible with your support many congress to provide legislation with the required funding. cost is an issue right now the $421 million expect to spend this fiscal year with one time improvements that are essentials to improve the veterans' care experience trying to consider additional cost of the aspects of consolidation such as expanding emergency in urging care and expect some cost savings as well. read detailed are specific proposals in the report.

we will work with any member of the items. we congress to act on the proposal for provider agreements with the purchase care outside the choice program that complicate participation this is especially critical for long-term care they already see nursing homes not renew their agreements which means they have to find new homes. they give readers a porch we will look with you to work with the community into the v.a. system. >> i want to short answer you said you made two changes yesterday regarding the 40-mile rule needed is a long way to accomplish the

goal of consolidation. in one sentence describe the long-term goal. >> to improve the veterans' care experience to deliver that to the best possible value to the taxpayers. >> in the case when we had the hearing i don't thank you were there, the choice of provider for the east coast with the discussion of the eligibility of the veterans to get services outside of v.a. your choice it was an arduous process while after file with third-party but they could determine to get in the service. is that still going on?

will we want to see is easy access whether your private but this eligibility situation use that word a lot in seems to be more cumbersome were redoing to streamline the process so it doesn't take a philadelphia lawyer to figure out if they're eligible? >> alas the doctor to respond to outline what we have done to simplify the process. >> eligibility and the referral process is to of the foundational elements in the process is to help streamline eligibility of the different criteria and that is what we all line here.

that is easy for the veteran to understand and also to a minister and also the employees. so when we talk about referrals and authorization it is very cumbersome with any number of steps to go through to transpose information to send that over to a third-party contractor before they can make an appointment for the veteran. that is too long we're planning to streamline that so we are more automated to accomplish that. >> in the meantime we have modified the contract that now allows us to send the

authorization document to the third-party administrator instead of the veteran having to call and waiting and getting bounced back and forth. now the burden falls on the third-party administrator to get the prime unscheduled designed to streamline the experience with the veterans perspective. . .

because of republicans. last night, president obama spoke in stark terms about the threat terrorism poses to the united states. he detailed the extraordinary efforts our government is taking to protect americans. he also outlined a strong plan for continuing to combat terrorism at home and abroad. and president obama is right to say the first thing congress should do is close the loophole that lets f.b.i. terrorist suspects buy assault weapons like those used in the san bernadino shooting. senate democrats support president obama's plan to fight

isis and protect america. mr. president, president obama has made clear democrats do not believe we should put thousands of troops on the ground in the middle of another civil war in the middle east. but we do support the president's strategy of continuing to go after isis in the air with our coalition partners targeting their leadership, oil infrastructure and heavy weapons. we know that it must be local forces on the ground who ultimately fight for and hold their ground. because, you see, it's their land. senate democrats understand that the civil war only will be resolved diplomatically, with all parties supporting the removal of assad. we also know that we can do more to address the threats from terrorists. that's why beginning today, senate democrats will unveil a series of proposals to take the fight to isis while enhancing the protection of americans here at home. here are a few important steps we must take in order to combat

isis terrorism. the democrat plan would create a new isis czar, one person who is fully empowered and unifies the federal government's efforts in fighting isis. we did it with ebay, we certainly can -- with ebola, we certainly can do it with the scourge that is facing this country, isis. i'm pleased that president obama has taken a first step in that direction. continued continuing to target air strikes, strongholds and increased air support for anti-isis local fighters on the ground is part of our plan. we also must cut off isis money through new sanctions. isis runs its reign of terror in iraq and syria through extortion. oil sales and theft. senate democrats, our legislation imposes new sanctions and they are tough, including a cutoff of the united states international financial system if people knowingly facilitate financial transactions with isis.

one thing that would help. we have a person who has been waiting for hundreds of days to be confirmed. what is his job? he works with the treasury department, with the state department to stop the financing of terrorism. the republicans for reasons that totally are not understood by anyone are blocking our voting on this person. the job is vacant. we also believe that we should improve intelligence sharing between the united states and our allies in the fight against isis. some of that has already started, of course. we believe that we must screen and support migrants in europe and the middle east. europe is facing an unprecedented number of migrants fighting on their -- landing on their shores. almost a million this year. their screening systems have been overwhelmed by the large number of migrants. our bill would respond to the europeans' request to provide them with technical assistance to screen migrants and improve their own border security and our security as well.

in the middle east, democrats will help jordan, a strong u.s. ally on the forefront of the migrant crisis. four million people are displaced in the region, creating instability inside jordan, our ally, and also harming the neighboring countries. democrats' legislation includes a new stabilization fund for jordan and lebanon, helping those fleeing the conflict in syria stay in the region closer to home. these are just a few of the components of our plan to degrade and destroy isis. we're equally committed to thwarting terrorism here at home. the democratic plan would close the terrorist gun loophole. as of today, there is a legal low loophole that prevents law enforcement from verifying that potential gun buyers are not f.b.i. terror suspects. that means if a person has pledged allegiance to isis online and is barred from flying

due to the threat they pose, that man or woman can still walk in any gun shop and purchase weapons and ammunition. they can do that today right now. that's wrong. last thursday, democrats tried to pass legislation to give law enforcement the tools needed to prevent the sale of guns to suspected terrorists. republicans blocked our commonsense measure. we're not finished from bringing this vote to the floor as often as we can. that's the way it should be. we need to strengthen the visa waiver program. it was amazing to see the republicans running for president waffle and weasel out of why someone has on a flight risk status, somebody who can't fly, why they should be able to buy a gun. it was interesting to see in the sunday shows the republicans waffle and weasel through answers on this. we need to strengthen the visa waiver program so isis fighters

can't access the program and travel to our country. this includes recurring visa waiver travelers to use machine-readable passports, requiring information-sharing with visa waiver countries and requiring visa waiver countries to enter into agreements to comply with u.s. aviation and airport security standards. we must improve aviation security. we must work to secure our airports. we saw all the news when isis brought down a russian plane with hundreds of passengers aboard. a recent report from the homeland security inspector found that 73 workers with access to secure areas in airports had links to terrorism. stunning. our legislation authorizes new vetting for aviation workers and new security measures for the most important areas of our airports. we must lock down radiological materials to stop a dirty bomb. with both isis and al qaeda saying they want to get their hands on weapons of mass destruction, it's disturbing that there are 2,300 sites

around the united states with radiological material. our legislation requires a new plan for locking down those materials to places where they are held, like universities and hospitals, so we can reduce the threat of a dirty bomb. our legislation is concerned and we're going to do everything we can to put an end to home-grown terrorists by creating an office within the department of homeland security tasked with that alone, countering extremism. we must address encryption by directing the national academy of sciences, the intelligence community and the private sector to work and identify new encryption technology and how it's used to make sure that our national security needs and technology policies are not working across purposes. and finally, mr. president, senate democrats are proposing legislation to provide law enforcement with grant money to help prepare for active shooter situations. we know how critical first responders are to containing and ending active shooter attacks.

and so we should be sure they have all the tools necessary. this is the plan that we senate democrats are putting forward. it's comprehensive. it addresses international domestic concerns. the consequences of inaction are too grave for us to waste time seeking political gains. the security of our nation and the decimation of isis depends on the steps we take now. so i hope republicans will join us to implement these logical reforms and place the security of americansm the wilson centers

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>> good morning welcome bright and early on monday to the wilson center. i and jane harman, president ceo recovering politician for many many years, too many for some of my detractors. i spent time in the house of representatives working on security and intelligence issues and numbers of people sitting here are my friends on a bipartisan basis. i'm very excited that we are doing something truly useful this morning, which is to host a panel discussion on security clearance, and nextgen overhaul. if you don't understand what nextgen means you probably should leave the room. today's problems are digital. too many of our policies and politicians are analyzed. anyone who has held a secret or top secret clearance knows what

i mean. parts of our system fit the 19th century like the paper timecards we are stuck with it. not kidding. bottom line if we want a workforce with secure and talented our approach to security clearances needs an overhaul asap. the way we do business right now and at least three serious problems. first, we are not getting the right people in the door. more than ever we need individuals with language skills and cultural staff working in national security but it's too hard for a native arabic speaker to make it to the fbi. we also need folks who know their way around the keyboard as fbi director james comey has said it's hard to attract that california's zero-tolerance for past where one is.

second we are not catching the people that really deposed insider threat. but every think of edward snowden and i don't think well of edward snowden, if one can agree that was too easy for him to get the access he got. we have to get smarter about using big data, open source collection and behavioral analytics to fly possible security risks. we are getting smarter but are we getting smart enough? third come after people make it into the system we are not securing their information. that's a disservice to her dedicated public servants including some who are in deep cover even as we speak. we must do better. but the right approach we can and we have a phone on the panel here to suggest 21st century solutions. introducing our speakers is a close friend, chris kojm.

he recently -- a visiting professor at george washington's elliott school of international affairs. he also contributed to a fabulous book on intelligence oversight that we are putting together with nyu center's center on law and security that will be released in from oxford university press. chris, before that had 25 years and he just calculated that, quarter of a century with my predecessor here served here for 12 years and before that all of you know the enormously valued chairman of the house foreign affairs committee and recently received the presidential medal of honor. chris was on the house foreign affairs committee for 15 years and worked on the iraq study group and was deputy director of the 9/11 commission. please join me in welcoming him

now. [applause] >> thank you. with profound thanks to the wilson center and president hartman for sponsoring today's discussion. i believe deeply if we have a national debate on this question that the views you here today will prevail. the case is compelling. it's my honor and pleasure to introduce the members of the panel. first i want to start directly to my left the honorable charles e. allen who currently serves as the security policy reform council chair of the intelligence and national security alliance and for the past six years has been a principal at the chertoff grew. it would be remiss for me to stop their. mr. allen has 50 years of government service. he served as undersecretary at the department of homeland

security and assistant secretary before that. he was the assistant director of central intelligence for collection. he and i worked closely and i have the highest regard for him. further, to my left is the honorable joan dempsey. formerly she served as the deputy director of central intelligence for community management under president clinton and the executive director of the president for intelligence of advisory board. given her experience -- is the director of national intelligence. moving to my right here immediately to my right is the honorable randall -- fort in the cyberdomain team at raytheon corp. and assistant secretary of state in the bureau of intelligence and research at the

department of state, a very fine organization. all the way to my right is douglas thomas who is the director for counterintelligence operations and corporate investigations at lockheed-martin. he's the principle decade -- deputy, served as the principle deputy director for counterintelligence and the u.s. government. he has 35 years of service working on counterintelligence issues in the chair the national counterintelligence operations force. so the case i put two of you is that the experience and the depth of perspective for those represented on this panel i think deserve attention. with that quietly began with the first question and the question is why do we need security clearance reform? just as simple and straightforward as that. i will ask everyone to speak for roughly three minutes for the question on i will begin with

randy fort. >> thank you kristen thank you jane for hosting this event with a the think is an important dialogue to have. i'm curious people in the audience here how many of you drive a 1950s automobile today? anybody? does anybody in the audience have a 1950s telephone that you use? is there anybody here whose television set is a 1950s model? anyone? when you go to the dentist do you expect a 1950s dentistry or are you looking for something a little bit more advanced? okay, so the 1950s as a business model is pretty much over except in the security clearance business area which is still mired in that decade in terms of the fundamental processes and mindset of how security is done. there is this hand tool, we will

go around and knock on doors and talk to people who don't even know who you are an check those boxes and assume that somehow that is yielding something when it does not. and for many many years that process is all but oblivious to the changes in technology. it's not surprising the federal government was slow to recognize and respond to the revolution in the 1980s. they were slow to recognize and respond to the world wide web developments in the 1990s. they were slow to recognize and respond to the social media revolution taking place in early 2000 and we are seeing the same pattern today when it comes to mobility so not a lot of ability to grasp and understand the impact of influences of these technologies which continue to double relentlessly in their capacity every 12 to 18 months. so we have a system today that

is old, it is an efficient and it is ineffective. it is obsolete. it is slow, it is inaccurate and as we have learned with the opm announcements over the last several months is corrupt. we cannot even trust the information which is held in the various databases at this point because foreign powers have allegedly had access to that, not just thinking about whatever whatever -- whatever they been able to do to manipulate us so we are looking at a broken system. it's fundamentally broken and unreliable so this should be the opportunity to recognize that it is 2015 and in a few weeks a would be 2016. we are 15% of the way through the 21st century and yet we still are relying on the system which is mired in the middle of last century. i think there there's a pretty good case to be made that it's time to start looking toward the future and new technologies and figure out a better way to do business. >> thanks randy and i just

wanted to mention that we are live on c-span. next i would like to turn to charlie. >> thank you chris. the pleasure to be the wilson center again. i think what randy is just outlined sort of sets the stage iv the rest of the discussion here and abroad framework that we have to use new and better technologies. when i was at the cia the security clearance process is worked reasonably well, trying to transfer an essay cleared officers and get them assigned to my staff. almost took intervention by the executive director or by john dempsey to make things happen. when i went to the department of homeland security where is the undersecretary to secretary chertoff i found the process different and very slow and difficult. so when i left government in

2009 it was my view that it was vital to the intelligence and national security alliance as the senior adviser through ellen mccarthy was president i really want to form a task force in that task force has turned into a more permanent body. why? because we found the problems were very difficult. we found there were greater efficiencies in the way we did business, that the cost for extremely high, bad weather and government because the intelligence and perform in terrorism and prevention at the office of personal management in 2005 took over from the department of defense security services plus their responsibility for security clearances. the processes in government did improve because it did mandate some really expedited processes

for clearing the government site that i found on the contractor's side we have tens of thousands of contractors. we would not have weapons systems and we would not have payloads in space if we didn't have contractors with great specialties. i found, we found that was extremely slow and very difficult and the government really was moving at glacial speed. part of the problem was people who had clearances, it was mandated that they have periodic investigations every five years and we have a huge back log when the office of personal management took over the responsibility. it had been worked on hard by jim clapper who at that time was the undersecretary of defense and intelligence but it was improved. the government site in the contractor's side. and he given time, he published a paper in december of 2011 that said 10 to 20% of contractors

who were to be put on a contract could not work because there are periodic investigations were out of date. that caused literally billions of dollars when you think of the vastness of the department of defense intelligence community and homeland security. i found it very staggering. i have one experience where we had a top-secret cleared officer from bia who was born, had relatives in vietnam. he had been polygraphed for counterintelligence. i just wanted to transfer him from dia to the department of homeland security. we waited nine months to get that clearance past and approved by the director of security over at homeland security. that was when i arrived at the intelligence national security alliance, i had this earning a

share in this burning issue now turned into a council. the current -- a permanent council subcommittees and i'm honored that we have both randy fort hira who has worked on this and doug thomas who is working today on a new subcommittee on the insider threat. so it has expanded in its become permanent and improvements have been made that we have oceans and notions of places to go before we have efficient policy and security do not align. acquisition and security do not align. so that is sort of the background. i wanted to give a little history before we move on in our discussion. >> thank you charlie and i would like to turn to john please. >> thanks chris but i want to pick up on a couple of things but i certainly agree with the way randy put the challenges today in context. he's absolutely right, we need a

new approach to personal security inside the government. i also want to pick up and get a couple of examples of what charlie allen was talking about. government like most successful organizations have to pay attention to costing cost is a big driver but the cost of personal security for a boy the government doesn't know what personnel security cost us so i have a couple of specific examples or want to give you this morning and while the story is true the name was changed to protect, well-made because it's privacy information but everything else in the story is true. john smith is a technical expert in quantum computing. it's very hard to find american citizens who are willing to subject themselves to security clearances and work for the government. he then expert in quantum computing cleared at the information level within the department of defense and he is projected to be built for the

government at $195,000 annually, very specialized skills, an individual with a very high clearance. that number breaks down to $15,000 per month, $3750 per weekend $93.75 per hour. john is scheduled to move from one intelligence community organization contract to a different organization contract. remember he is fully cleared. his clearance has been submitted to the gaming agency so that he could be crossed over to work on a new contract. his company will carry the cost of employing john, roughly 15,000 mothers are set for this highly-skilled highly educated individual for the duration of the crossover. matt. who ultimately pays that though? of the u.s. government because that caused is embedded in the rate that the government pays for those individuals. the agency to which john is

moving is only to execute a polygraph to move him. we estimated six months for the crossover. unfortunately it took to 10 months and we paid 150,000 to keep john on what we call the bench while we waited for his polygraphed to be scheduled, which it was but we didn't know during that time whether or not it would be so as a huge cost for one individual that was a fairly simple process. the second one is a little harder. we had an individual who is also cleared by the department of information with a they polygraph but who was married to a foreign national. his wife was indian. he was in he was an advanced technology office at dod and we wanted to move him to an icy advanced technology office. now he had a bachelors of science in electrical engineering from the california institute of technology and a

ph.d. in applied and engineering physics from cornell university. there aren't a lot of american citizens that have those qualifications. he was also the author of more than 40 technical papers with over 5000 citations. he was fully cleared, his clearance took 294 days to crossover because he had an indian born wife. she got american citizenship before his clearance crossed over and she started the process after we submitted his paperwork these are two individuals out of the thousands of contractors who do highly specialized, highly-skilled information for the intelligence community. we have to fix this problem. with that i will turn it over to chris. >> thank you joan and doug. >> thank you chris. good morning. one thing we are going to see is that we need to start levering

levering -- leveraging technology. i think one of the things that has changed, the threat environment has changed in 50 years. somebody mentioned earlier that scott is a big deal and ensures up my spine because this is about -- the bad guys have much more information than they ever have before. it's going to make our job a lot harder. i look at this panel and no offense anybody but its decades of experience in the government. looking at this problem i think all of us could probably be a little bit embarrassed as to why we are where we are today because as randy said andis jones said andis charlie said we have been approaching this problem for 50 years now. it is time to start leveraging technology on the front end when you get clearance and throughout the whole process of having clearance.

>> thanks doug and i will just finished up with a few points as to why we need reform. secret clearance costs $400. top secret security clearance costs $5000. the direct cost to security clearance in any given year are $1.6 billion. that's a lot of money. we do hundreds of thousands of clearances each year. if we use technology guess there will be a cost up front but the cost of doing those clearances and monitoring people going forward is the cost of bank transaction. is it tiny fraction. that's the model we need to move to. okay, so let's start the next round and that i want to turn it back to doug. what changes do we have to make? doug is in the middle of making them so he is our speaker to start. >> i'm trying to remain

optimistic. following the opm report the 90-day review study in the principles are being briefed from it this week, i'm hearing that they are going to stand up a new agency called the national investigative service agency. i'm not sure where it's going to land. it's going to have a new director and a new focus. i'm trying to remain optimistic about that. what really needs to happen is like a mentioned earlier on the front and we probably need something before we hire somebody relative -- like the insurance companies do and the credit card companies do, give a risk score on somebody. i think what you need to have this continuous valuation of the people that you grant a a clearance to who by virtue of that has access to our -- it is not that hard. we have been been doing in an organization for the last few

years and quite frankly some people might be concerned about the cost up front. they are not that big of a deal but the money you save over time with continuous evaluation 24/7 on your employee evaluation is phenomenal. >> okay. why don't we turn to randy. >> first of all let's acknowledge the government just needs to come its like going to aa or or something any technology or problems of the problem is this terribly obsolete system which is simply ineffective. the second thing is to make a clear decision that we are going to move forward with the technology platform to solve this problem. the numbers that are being used here, hundreds of thousands or millions, something like a total of 10 million people government and contractor have some form of clearance. that number is a ballpark but

when you go to the private sector that's a small number. 10 million is not a big number if you are a visa or an american express or mastercard or insurance company, fewer amazon or google. 10 million come if you were actually their system with papa would have to dumb it down to get to a number as small as 10 million. so this is something where there's a lot allergy that is available. we were hearing about the days, weeks, then sometimes years to get these issues done. security clearances should take a fraction of a second. how long did it take when you take your visa card swipe at a point-of-purchase? you stand there and wait for a green signal to come back legs now, comes back later when you think of the night because the databases are being queried by sophisticated algorithms that are doing a lot of data correlation literally in fractions of a second. all this issue of crossover and

periodic review, the delay of all these things, security clearances took one second and if they cost 1 cent then we could all get security clearances dozens of times a day because it would matter. we have to figure out how to use the technology to change the fundamental picture of the way the process is go forward. i think yes there will be upfront costs. you have to pay a certain upfront cost to come up with that i.t. layer two -- all of the other technology companies have to do that. that's an investment. a 1.6 billion, i'm betting that's off by an order of magnitude. doesn't count for the delay in the downtime of all the people sitting in twiddling their thumbs waiting for their clearance to come through. that is billions and billions of dollars being wasted in time, value and money that's never catch elated. moving to complete digital

platform and yes there will always be two or 3% of individual cases that will require some hands-on treatment if somebody went off in went to a -- when they were 22 years old and that will take extra attention. the vast majority of the population we are talking about could he done using in all of digital modern technology that would give you a considerably greater insight into the behavior and the future behaviors and algorithms are becoming predictable. google knows if you are getting sick before you know you're getting sick. target knows you are pregnant before you know are pregnant and they know where your owing to be tomorrow based on where you are today based on data technology will keep doubling every 12 to 24 months as we move forward. the capabilities will become increasing glee predicted and we will be able to play is not an in the manning's not after they train over the court and have annihilated it.

so we will actually and up with a much more secure outcome and security dividend once these things are implemented. >> thanks randy. >> joan. >> a lot of them have spent time and effort and money trying to do it. we have had a lot of reform initiatives but i think what we have never come to grips with his pc security as really a supportive function. we don't see it as inimical to getting our job done or allowing us to get the job done if it's done correctly. if we treated personal security is a mission rather than as a demonstrated function that we have to deal with, then i think we would be able to spend the money and solve the problem.

we are pretty good at solving mission problems in the ic but because we don't think of it as something that either hinders or helps our mission we don't treated with the same seriousness as we do mission issues, so i think that's philosophical issue really affects us and our ability to deal with this problem. >> thanks joan. charlie. >> i want to reinforce what has been said by other colleagues here. we are in a new era and we have the technologies. continuous monitoring is something the director of national intelligence supports. certain agencies like the cia and nsa are moving ahead so that realm as well as others in the intelligence community and the department of defense of course which is a very vast population of people who are top-secret. but the progress is quite slow. i think we have to a line of policy level as well as the

security levels as well as the contracting because today it's segmented, separated and the security officer or chief information security officer that monitors network seems far removed from some of the very rapid and more efficient ways we could do this. and i trust the judgment of essentially independent agency will be stood up to replace with the office of personnel management did pay the office of personnel management did not have the infrastructure, capabilities or resources i think when this was decided back in 2004 and this responsibility in 2005 to execute this. they did not have the security. they did not have the counterintelligence expertise to handle the problems we face today. that is a given.

it is my strong belief however that we have an opportunity now not to build then if there is an independent agency or assuming an independent agency all the vulnerabilities of the password policy, security and the whole practical business of doing security clearances seem to be separated and divided. they have to be a unified way. 2008 there was a performance accountability board established and under this administration there has been continuing efforts to find efficiencies. generally as we have seen from the snowdon and manning events and the davis event at the navy yard we have not been very successful in doing all of this. i think right now i am updating my top secret sci clearance. ..

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>> let's hope we embark on a new generation way to do security. >> let me round out to talk about the process the security investigation. your sister rhea be reinvestigated every five years if you have top-secret nerve secretary moniz with the secret that isn't effective because people's behavior changes things happen to people over time there are changes in relationships, the drugs, alcohol, personality changes and in our current system there is no way to

check on people unless it is a 10 year anniversary the system of continuous evaluation and others to identify problem employees frankly most of them will not be spies but people who have trouble in their personal lives that will lead them from verbal -- more verbal by hostile powers. so to identify the problems so the health and services that you need to be back contract and to help protect our people we can protect our secrets better than we

do today. >> moving on to the next round of questions what has to happen for these ideas to be successfully implemented by all parties? >>. >> to secure the never is critical. to enhance technology to continue the evaluation throughout the entire process. we're not trying to find a cure for cancer not solving peace in the middle east this is not the dark by a heart problem at this minute

to solve 99 percent of the problem and i have been contributing and of those have participated we have the solution set out. with continuous evaluation they figure how to into the privacy issues but if they just took the lockheed model to implement it will agree orders of magnitude more secure today than yesterday. but for decades this is not this is not have to get to the moon and those that

would be willing to do that. that is leadership we have to get senior leaders involved in the top two or three things they will do. for all those reasons every really do people are the most important asset to come up with a system that will better protect the people with the challenges and threats better against them and if somebody has an issue to identify that early on to get a good person back contracts so we don't have to go through the worst case where we spend billions of dollars of damage assessment to take adverse action with

the energy we burn up to do that. it is only because to better serve the people better working in these agencies or organizations for the that is the best reason to go forward and do so with alacrity. >> m1 to reinforce what they have said. it is a matter of policy but meeting prior to this formal session to have to improve the business process with the security side so with strong great leadership will take intelligence and with this administration and the new one to begin to change

just but i agree to do the checks on people when they're updated. so with that security policy reform council to demonstrate that certain crossovers some agencies to crossovers 70 agencies that you think you're doing crossovers would do in a hurry so a change in the

policies to update the policies to find ways for other individuals never when the parents are bored or died. [laughter] select everybody has captured this perfectly it isn't about reform and a fundamental change that is personal security is essential to accomplish but as a mission problem we can

solve the problem. >> so how to successfully implement so when you have a background check to apply for security clearance you agree to have your background investigated the nature of that investigation to the 21st century so instead of 127 pages of forms with your dead relatives to submit your neighbors and colleagues to move to a digital background investigation.

it should only be publicly available data. at this endeavor looks to data records to assemble an integrated and analyze it is a powerful tool stoloniferous get their clearance as continuously as those mitt thereafter so on that score amazon and google knows more about you with those very sophisticated data bases they know a lot about you.

those entrusted with the nation's secrets should be analyzed to protect our secrets. >> any more comments? we'll let willingly decided to disclose access the one she lovelorn if it is accompanied one of the true heroes in the security reform area from the u.s. army managed to get a pilot project undertaken to look at a subset of the overall

population to look at their online behavior so once you do that you log on to another account there is no expectation of privacy. i will not get the numbers exactly right the 125 people that work with the five years because they found serious violations but then to kill his wife from his military address another one said where can i score pot? there was an issue those ever instantly suspended for

access because they took a look what is going on digitally the they had never looked at before that was one tiny example so these tools are very powerful. if we leverage this technology will get more insight. yes. absolutely so they have successfully resolved that. to do things that is respectful and if anybody that has been i have spent half of my time with those documents the list of everything you are waiting

but now we just take that into the 21st century. s.a. digital investigation going forward. >> a very good discussion by all of you. for a half years into the job ahead failed. [laughter] but the very little mention of my former employer of the united states congress. how much does or how little

can congress do to have the same vision ocher? >> that is a great question. and makes that a priority. with that to the first century platform it will drive the process. the problem is still a little public discussion. no public debate. the public discussion help drive change semester a threat here at the wilson center. >> is great to be here with

a terrific discussion for you are all aging gracefully [laughter] you made the point intelligence community is behind the technology curve by 50 years. i've that. put the issues we have known about this for least three years. and some of those issues that you raise about the cost also the loss of expertise. we are working on that 25 years ago also. the point that i would make is we have slipped back from where we were because we're

dealing with this strong headwind thy was surprised to learn the agencies don't except each other security clearance. and that adds to the cost. with a polygraph and the cia will not accept it. that i totally agree with regard to the alignment community look back at the congressional levels to

spend any money that will fix them. and for very well with the inefficiencies of the current system. but what happens to the leaders while there are inefficiencies what we do discover to protect us is not worth the risk of changing. edison the alignment of leadership between the white house and the congress. congress doesn't pick up this issue.

for the leaders of the intelligence community don't buy into the change that is necessary. >>. >> i will respond to what he had to say because he is spa on in this historically correct losing ground so to move at glacial speed to modernize our process or policy. spending three years to decide 2011 through 2014 i could be wrong on the dates

with fairly elementary stuff. so with the defense communities the administration and congress is lacking. and as we point out interest from staffers the very little leadership on this issue on the komen security committee there is a lot of politics of those defensive republicans in the administration and here we have a major thing my wife

to scott her letter from 0:00 p.m. on friday because as personally as identifiable information about her after putting in might s f 86 to what they talk about so strongly. >> you are absolutely right the other area of similar dysfunction affecting the contractor world is on the acquisition side. both security and acquisition our rule based process and the environment it evolves over 56 years and it is very hard to get off of that with very important

functions the government needs done. i would agree 100 percent i have seen it backfire with the bipartisan in a bicameral parts of the government working together you begin to despair we can do this. talk about entities and the white house and intelligence community you would be very surprised how far along the companies are with regards to solving the problems that. >> the fourth amendment applies to the government's involvement with the citizenry not my employer's. there are things we can do in the private sector to move this problem further down the road.

>>. >> a very important discussion with the topic of great concern regarding though lost of productivity of taxpayer dollars with a security clearance process. so two years ago the reauthorization act for fiscal 2014 of title five if of authorization legislation requires the idea and i that the continuous monitoring takes place with clearance

reciprocity. passed into law almost two years ago it is an item of concern on the hill. maybe that is akin to cybersecurity with the officer and not the ceo that is why until there is a breach and then the ceo has to resign. and not know what else it takes to get that level of prominence and dash you pointed out to talk about the cost and maybe it is the new agency.

maybe that is the first step with the bifurcation between the intelligence community that is concrete what congress can do. >> it is clear they have made their views known on this. with their needs to be an additional amendment to the next authorization it could be done in six months so to allow for the usual crunch time. by june reversed of 2018 the intelligence community shall employ a fully digital, automated, secure

background investigation system for government contractors. now this new agency of to start to walk this back what do i need to do today? syllable of saying it you know, you're going to be hanged you concentrate wonderfully. [laughter] and the mine would become concentrated there was a date now they can stay with your team hearings how is it going on the deadline? anything we can do to help. iran i hate that i don't like congress to micromanage

anything. and to do this because it is the right thing to do. and with risk aversion. don't you doing the same thing over and over. it can take some leadership to be the action forcing event. recalling the legislation. the director of national intelligence believes strongly with various

projects m process these we still don't move fast enough. but at the same time that we're planning a spring event and then to speak of the importance nmb will be in touch with you. >> there is a lot of frustration but yet in the aftermath of the watershed moment it was a $300 million contract so it's not that we

cannot act in an emergency but we choose not to. to talk about the divergence of those actions. >> since you have government experience. >> ed is a good point shortly after the breach happened a couple of us wrote the op-ed it had to do with what we were reading is seem to be much more on identity theft that had nothing to do with identity theft everything to do with

the nation state and my concern with that but this is a 30 year problem to keep people excited about this breach it will be somewhat difficult. >> diamond attorney -- i am an attorney. and i have known him the whole life. and sent an e-mail to congratulate him. he was pleased to be named

presidential medal of freedom. i am happy to be here today i'm a victim of a process but i have testified some years ago before congress with the subcommittee of the process to do a background investigation on me. but they simply stopped the process so they created of file that contains obnoxious information and i never got the chance are you a loyal american? and i have information to have the opportunity to

comment that they simply stopped in mid stream. so those are the terrorists but someone like me it did not work for me there. i am a security risk? the cost are astronomical. over the right to participate but i could put a face on what is wrong with the system. thank you. >> i am the beneficiary

attacks defense intelligence community participant. but with some of those illustrations how much risk we are willing to bear. i've understand it will drive policy changes going forward but with those algorithms is the notion of risk and that deals with the issue of trust that all your much of the notion of the ultra-conservative counterintelligence and how to overcome that if you drive that forward with automation. >> is a good question since

hitting a program is not that much different. they have strong privacy concerns vided is set up a program with the privacy side is a team sport with a privacy at the top of that issue and what the program does but doesn't do any profiling of people at all. and together we make a decision if we act on that. is all objective and publicly available the

subject of intense and what do you do with that of affirmation and? we're trying to look out for the employee if you think of workplace violence the had behavior in somebody's life but looking up for that behavior is to act on. >> can be transferred that thought process? >> left to its own devices we talk about risk management the most they will ever accept for personal security is zero

every single time. with the executive leadership has basically listen and. so there has ben scorers of spies so there has always been failures fees and aberrant behavior that has gone on so to use at as an excuse is going -- is ridiculous said to have real risk management said to have that decision based to attend those meetings once a

month whether we willing to except? how does that allow us to have better insight to figure out to set the standards for these things. here is what we have decided what you think? there always been those who slip through the net. right on down the list. it will also give us more truly security at the end of the day and you get on with

the new process. >> if we do leverage these technologies we will see a change to talk about the ultra-conservative counterintelligence they have a real responsibility. so there is the enlightenment with the value of cia.

>> adjust one comment on the question but to ensure his not only the united states of america the toolkit digital evaluation tools with government employees ended is important before other people take action. >> the white paper we put out with a counter intelligence community did not believe a single word we had to say the rest of the world did. then you better understand

for the attacks of the chinese and the iranians that should be predicate enough. >> the woman in the back. >> what is continuous monitoring? and how the employees are trained but eyelet get more

with those to stem the for the entire threat abide the leveraged technology we went out with very robust communications because to build national security is to their benefit and then to engage is not your call the snitch. the for the company's current - - benefit some

of that has to do with the network so that is the human behavior baseline. it to believe or a bankruptcy i think selling death building a program is that in one with the corporate values? what we have done is build a program along those lines.

>> rose 96 pages of only five pages. [inaudible] >> when i rarely not an expert there is classified information but don't have

the experience of the u.k.. close intelligence to have similar systems that were along the same lines so that is an interesting idea to check with the allies to see how they do business. >>.

>> i get it. i do have some allusions if we have one new ones with the straitlaced presbyterian. with eight abdication of the exotic dancer. >> so as to have those types of examples have the

classified study including the adjudication with whatsoever. so with your so-called friend who doesn't like you had said during the interview process i am very surprised. it is very premature.

you can set the parameters in the we won but to set that digital model is the big data sets with the much richer basis of data so anyone who has intelligence community access ended is unique to you by is unique to me. so if you deviate from that norm than a light goes off why is that? there is the crisis you were called in.

may be your supervisor says i don't know. so that is the situation. and for a deviation those patterns versus someone trying to buy a carolyn or ecstasy but you can't be spoke those parameters that will have more clarity. and then to have a human but is trained to understand the technology to make human judgment were at the end of

the day to have a due process. the only takes you so far down the road so plugged in end let her do her job. >> one of the success stories with those adjudication for those who never had a clearance before. unless there's an extensive overseas time so those that we would like to have the cultural understanding it is almost impossible to get

them through. to be strung along via the process. >> the reason i am here before you today because there was a boiling point with a grandmother in the former soviet union it did them for years to declarant's. that is not a good business model for government or private sector or anybody. >> i am thinking that this

since the companies have to not pay attention to yet this pressure with the backlog by the investigations. in the past the digital approach is there were pressures to go to the office of personnel management with those periodic investigations.

so if that occurred with the process through 0:00 p.m.. but frankly i believe of where we have to be in the future those are also trying to do lockheed martin. >> one more question. >> the fact that the leaks are motivated by politics for sis' financial

considerations that we collect as part of the process? with more computer auditing? or how to really get someone's perceived loyalty? in the case the snowden i saw some post-mortem looking at what he was doing digitally. the warning signs that may have seen the nine there was clearly a pattern is somebody had that entire set of behaviors they may have reached a conclusion something is going on.

need to think across the spectrum the wing from stupid to evil to see what happens when i click on this. then called the work goes down. those that will commit treason for many but he was clearly between psychopath in such a bad offenders assist with my view of the world. but the duty is to set the parameters look at the data sets in terms of priority that is in such a big deal and to figure out how to integrate all of that that

is very problematic. said the solution is the technology with that model of what has been done historically. >> you used the word evil but don't think that you meant that. i hate the phrase connecting the dots that is what we're doing. just because somebody has one or two or three behaviors' doesn't mean they have done anything wrong. . .

the government doesn't do that sharing with the private sector. if they see red flaggings about at individual who is a contractor, they hold it inside, and then the initial investigation, whereas the private sector sometimes has -- and will have in the future far better insight on the employees and contractors and what they represent. your question is very pertinent. is there new loyalties toy today? are we word citizens versus the united states and a western

civilization, et cetera? i think we have to have some new selectors that will try to differentiate and pull out the issues of loyalty. >> okay. so with that, i'd like to thank john dempsey, charlie allen, randy ford, doug thomas, and the wilson center, and thank you for your good questions and your attendance today. thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

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