the 1st place and have governance of syria that they deserve. >> one piece that you mentioned, long series of things that we need to do. at the end you said information, and that is where we are losing. something like 90,000 posts a day. just reading a piece about a young man in the us who found this committee online and is being encouraged to move forward. i know it is not in the department of defense but this country has to do a much better job of countering the story that is being told to attract young people across the world. we are not only engaged in the military war but a war of ideas command right now i think we are somewhere close to a stalemate on the military side but we are losing the war of ideas. >> senator for that very

reason that yesterday i got together with the secretary of homeland security director of the fbi for the director of national intelligence talking about that. it is not principally a defense think. we do operate in the cyber domain. i alluded to that. we are at war command we have authorities to use our cyber command in this case and our identifying opportunities to do that. the fbi, the department of homeland security and the director of national intelligence are working intensely. they were before san bernardino and are working now on exactly this question of these people who are -- the keyboard.

>> if we waited in syriawin in syria and lose 10,000 kids in france were belgian of florida or ohio that's not victory. i would hope that in the councils of war you will continue to press that point of you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. always good to have you back and echo. i hope you come back more often and share with us your thoughts. that may be explicit on the issue of bishara al-assad. i hear and i read in the paper, obama no longer seem sure. is that true? do you believe he should simply be removed from power or is there a growing feeling that perhaps we ought to team up? >> i think command i don't

want to speak for him but what secretary kerry is trying to engineer is the departure in no way that everyone can support which include the russians have a lot of influence. it isit is important to see if you can get them on the right side of history here and that accomplishes that and this is important quite apart from the atrocities that have been committed in no way that removes him while the structures of the syrian state are so relatively intact. a moment ago we do want and need there to be after a sod the government that is inclusive that involves the forces that have been fighting each other in governing the territory

decently. that is exactly the transition that the secretary is working. >> much like we needed after the successful invasion. i understand what you are saying, but let's get your testimony on this. to your knowledge is the president still resolute and saying that a sod should go and the solution is not that we should begin to work with him. >> a political transition in which a sod these power and is replaced by a more inclusive form of government is the outcome we are trying to see. >> a political solution in which he stays in power is that acceptable? >> no. >> secretary kerry is trying to -- >> i understand your testimony.

we need to get this on the record. americans need an answer to this. is the president steadfast and having a goal that includes mr. aside being removed from power? >> well, that is the kind of political transition that he has secretary kerry seeking. >> would you agree that it would be difficult to convince syrian rebels to fight only isi s and not a sod if that were direction in which the administration -- >> we have experience in exactly that matter. >> what is your experience? >> it is easier to find fighters who are intent upon fighting a sod them to find them intent on fighting isi

l. >> do you believe he should be removed from power? >> to have a decent government there that brings the moderate opposition and to governance is going to require the departure. how, when, where is something secretary kerry is negotiating. >> gone long time and he has been a lightning rod. if we want to get it behind us and get piece in syria that is going to be necessary. >> very good. i may try to follow up with some questions on the record. let me ask you about no-fly zones. understand we had testimony about safe zones. and i will ask you 1st command if you want to ask

the general to have his thoughts that would be good. safe zones no-fly zones would allow syrians to stay in their own country instead of seeking to become refugees anywhere they would allow syrian opposition leaders to exercise sovereignty over syrian territory. do you in our coalition partners have the time personnel command equipment required to establish no-fly zones? and in particular, i think particular, i think maybe earlier while i was out of the room there was an attempt to get you to discuss the coalition partners that might be able to enforce this. do you believe president prudent would challenge our air dominance in the clearly defined no-fly zones that we would be seeking to enforce?

>> sure. no-fly zones, that is something i discussed before the committee before. that is not a step we have recommended. again, because the benefits don't warranted in light of the costs. i can explain more but i will ask general sullivan to comment further. with respect to the russians also he can comment on the memorandum of understanding there in the working relationship we have with the russian military in the air over syria right now. >> fair enough. >> we have the military capacity to impose a no-fly zone? the question is do we have the political and policy backdrop with which to do so

cute and i don't mean that in the case our government been the case of the government who would challenge the no-fly zone. could we do it? the answer is yes. i would willingwe willing to engage the potential of the conflict, direct conflict with the syrian integrated air defense system or syrian forces or by corollary miscalculation with the russians should they choose to contest the no-fly zone and those are the questions that have imposed, asked command answered. military capacity, we have the capacity. we have not recommended it because the political situation on the ground and the potential for miscalculation and loss of american life in the air an attempt to defend the no-fly zone don't warrant the no-fly zone given the fact that on the ground forces to contest the safes on the ground. >> i am way over my time.

the secretary mentioned cost and benefit. when i think of the benefit that we could have had in the united states not to be faced with this refugee crisis the benefit if we had given syrians a place where they can live in their own country safely away from barrel bombs and attacks on civilians it just seems to me that the benefit of doing so even now having done so over time would have been so enormous that it would have justified whatever cost we might have had to risk. so thank youso thank you for your answers and i appreciate the chair indulgently. >> i must say it is one of the more embarrassing statements i have ever heard that we are worried about syria and russia's reaction to saving the lives of thousands and thousands of syrians who are being barrel

bond and massacred so far 240,000 remarkable performance. >> thank you, mr. chairman mr. secretary for being here. you noted in your testimony that russia which is publicly committed to defeating has instead largely attacked opposition forces and you say it's time for russia to focus on the right side of the fight. what is it going to take that russia turn his attention to fighting iso- other than popping up a sod? >> i can't speak for the russians, but i have spoken to the russians. and i have explained to them why their actions are wrongheaded and counterproductive even from the.of view of their own security. because it feels the civil

war in syria, which we discussed which is the underlying cause of the radicalization that gave rise which is the very thing that they fear. their actions are pouring gasoline on the civil war in syria. >> i'm sorry, mr. secretary. his russia fully engaged in the discussions with secretary kerry and some of the other parties that need to be at the table? ending the civil war? are they fully engaged in that? >> i don't want to speak for secretary kerry. they are certainly engaged. he is talking to them along the lines we discussed with a range of other parties that will be necessary to final political transition. >> i think there are a lot of people who agree with the assessment that ending the civil war in syria is one of

the keys and enabling the united states as well as russia and our other partners to focus on defeating. i think that is generally acknowledged and i certainly agree. one of the advantages is the ability to recruit young men and women and influence actors around the world through the online media campaign. the most recent example. how can we counter this to overcome the effectiveness of the online presence? i realize this is an issue not just by you but by the fbi and the director of national intelligence.

>> you are right. here at home the fbi and director of national intelligence are working along those lines to identify those who are self radicalizing are plotting using the internet. i can only tell you that they are intent upon solving a problem. there is a roll not enough fight the related to the fight we are waging. that's why it's important to strike at and eliminate the parent tumor. that is part of the creation of the narrative that fuels the internet which fuels even lone wolves and also where we are able want to

eliminate people who are trying to recruit other people. the chairman referred earlier to the elimination which i reported to you when i was last appear. he was somebody who was trying to recruit americans to attack americans. there are things even we can do at the department of defense to assist in this big effort by director call me and secretary johnson and the director of national intelligence of the director of central intelligence on this. it began well before san bernardino but san bernardino indicates why this is no kidding. >> would you say people who don't even have any direct contact but who have access to ideology that this is more of a whole of

government approach that we need to take that includes law enforcement local law enforcement as well as people in the community. >> it's a whole of government campaign. all these pieces need to be connected. >> absolutely no idea how much i have left. i will stop here. >> i just have one last question. we talk about defeating. what does that look like? including preventing the ability of them to encourage longwall factors across the world? >> iraq and syria which is

necessary, not sufficient but necessary. destroying there organization, leadership ability to patrol territory, have a source of revenue and claim that they are anything but a bunch of barbarians. that is the in-state we are seeking. of course to make that stick to what others are been talking about the political dimension, the military point of you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> i would like to return to the question of no-fly zones. the testimony is the united states has the military capability to impose a military no-fly zone. >> can we infer a lesson?

violating turkish airspace. >> i would be careful and inferring his decision process that particular set of circumstances. what the russians have done as a consequence his beef up their integrated air defense they installed surface-to-air missiles they have worked with syrian partners in the syrian partners now have their radars active. it is that set of consequences when we think about no-fly zone and we have to factor in your calculus. if a no-fly zone is to be defended and have an effect on the ground the consequences of activity by surface-to-air missile systems and their defense aircraft have to be factored into the equation.

have the capability to deal with the consequences of direct confrontation with russia were syria. >> i noticed you were smirking at my question. >> i'm sorry. i was smiling at the generals. >> no. smiling about informing vladimir putin's intention. he rightly said it is hard to know. >> i would submit he repeatedly violated turkish airspace and he has not done that. maybe we can learn a lesson. i want to return to the point that scenario was addressing. can you explain why that did not happen earlier? >> there are two principal reasons, the development of the actual intelligence as to the contribution of this particular routes to the

finances with respect to the chairman that black and gray economy in oil across the region. >> i understand. can be hard to develop but i don't understand what is hard to develop about tanker trucks leaving refineries. >> the 2nd point is that in an effort to minimize the civilian casualties the drivers the trucks are not necessarily -- >> i have no doubt about that. we're going to kill you and cut the heads of your kids. >> i visited with the unit the prosecutor the attacks command they use theused a set of tactics, techniques and procedures that one the drivers in advance so they can flee there trucks. they are looking for more opportunities to do exactly the same so we on alienate the civilian population.

>> no need to do great the infrastructure. >> i strongly support that and where what you are discussing. we did not just develop these. i mean,, we can leaflet civilians. >> they are not new. the opportunities are product of the intelligence we develop for my understanding of the oil infrastructure. >> one constant thing i have heard from senior commanders down the low-level troops in my travels in the region is the decisions being made in the middle part of the last decade bio fives are now being made by three and four-star generals or civilians and the rules of engagement have been incredibly restrictive. secretary carter do you care to comment?

>> i will start. represent professional military judgment in this matter. i would like to given the opportunity to speak. the commanders, the air commanders have told me, and the generals have reported to me the effectiveness command i have asked whether the rules of engagement are limiting factor stopping them from being more effective. and just two things i would say about that. they have not changed over time. these are things that are done by the air operators in

theater which is appropriate. the things that have really enabled. first of all annoyingly weathered, andweathered, and that was true month and a half feel for a couple weeks. that is important. more fundamentally has been intelligence. and we have gotten a lot better intelligence picture now and are able to conduct more effective strikes which is run reason we are able to conduct more strikes. we can get the ends of it, was one of the capability from the french and others and put it to good use. more targets than airplanes.

they go out for dynamic targeting. the bombs are almost always dropped. dynamic targeting is where you go out there and no that a target you are thinking my develop actually does. that is an important thing to do because it is what stops them from being able to use the road safely. you don't always find those targets and so sometimes they come back with the bombs on them. >> i have not met a soldier sailor, airman can more marine who would not asking any active fight. having instruct -- consulted with the commanders i know of no rules of engagement restrictions that have prevented us from striking targets. being as effective. >> thank you. i am over time.

for 60 years norad and the air force has been tracking santa over the skies of north america. >> i don't have a complete intelligence report that understand the reindeer have been fed their quantity of the else and are prepared for the delivery of all of those gifts to those who have been nice and not naughty. >> it is a welcome reminder that will most americans are at home our airman, soldiers sailors command marines are keeping a safe and defending our values. >> not to extend the questioning in answering but i spent my thanksgiving with the troops. i can report to you that morale is high and they did phone home and talk to the people who love. >> thank you very much for

reminding us of the service and sacrifices. >> secretary carter. [inaudible] >> the area that it occupies now that it did not occupy and the differences dramatic that you will have shrunk the territorial occupation and are to be congratulated on that. but at the end of the day as you all have already testified syria is not going to be able to contain isi s until at least there

is a plan for the exit of president assad. now, when that occurs what is the air force that is going to be on the ground with the guidance of our special operations forces give me a concept of what that make up is of that air force? >> that is a very good question and it gets to the state of the campaign and they critical political ingredient because the critical transition in syria is essential to a durable in the state. the civil war in syria started this whole business. and that at that time the force that is now not available because they are

fighting each other but that could fight is the combination of syrian forces and the moderate opposition that is now fighting. they are using forces and trying to accumulate additional who want to take their homes back, but the civil war is meanwhile using up a lot of combat power that could potentially be used. >> so you really believe that once there is a path to leave that syrian government forces which include aloe whites which are shia are going to join up with the opposition sunni forces to go after i sil? >> the political transition is exactly to have a syria

that is once again whole multi- sectarian for sure and that we see in a rack but that as an alternative to sectarianism in the continuation of sectarian yes. >> go over. is that anti- sectarian working? the forces on the ground that we are supporting from the air? >> first of all prime minister a body speak to them in the coming days when i too will be visiting our troops in theater. ..

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come to pass talking about the importance when you're talking about territory but a lot of that is empty. the critical crossing of center are -- is a place sinjar then it is the objective of taking sinjar so in the end the political and state is different for syria and arak absolutely. >> vendor stead the department of defense has asked $160 million

reprogramming to keep the effort of the trading program do you support the restarting of the program? >> i urgently support that program but isn't described that way but we learned from match and had some success but not nearly what we had hoped for and that was disappointment and i am very up front about that. we're asking for the funds that were previously earmarked for that to an approach with eight is more effective. that is my record urgently like those funds people

decry a micromanagement but that can come from any services and please give us that what i apologize i thought it was more the neck but this is a board i simply urge your note to you are busy but please give your earliest attention. >> we will and we would like to know the details of the shooters and think it is appropriate. >> barry f. >> fair enough. >> on november 12 the president answered the question is isis is gaining strength i don't think so i think they are contained in we sought to bob's killed

102 people on the sinai to hundred 24 lost their lives and of the russian interview bin to suicide bombers killed 43 of the day after 130 were killed in paris. right now at the hearing america is that the highest threat level since then 11 iron trying to square the statement made by our president that they're not gaining streak and we have contained them with your comment. what a my missing in the there ninth innings during?

>> we have to defeat isis. >> i agree. but a part that has to be with the president to make knowledge the current situation. do you agree with his characterization? >> the president has asked me and military leaders to give him recommendations to defeat by seoul and he has approved all that we have taken to kampf -- him to my caddie told them they're not

gaining strength? >> the general talked-about tactical containment pursues strategic i like the word defeat myself. >> general, i have a question about some of the airstrikes. back in june military officials in dollars 75% return without dropping weapons you said that is about 40%. what has changed? >> increasing the number of deliberate prix plant straits as opposed to having dynamic targets was sufficient air power but in any case a dynamic targeting

>> former deputy director made a comment on november 25th we didn't go after oil wells because we didn't want to do environmental damage. >> i don't know the rules of engagement as we deliver targets with environmental considerations so we try to do as little environmental damage as possible. >> and secretary carter looking at tactical and

history -- a team jacket containment is there indeed grounds to describe isis as contained? >> i will let the general speak for himself. talk about we have not discussed as much going after elsewhere. we will have to do more. isil is becoming a magnet for those groups a previously existed and are now reprinting themselves.

which is why we have to destroy that but it is a worldwide phenomenon. but what of the things they raised his concerns about will patches of isil and self radicalization so in the internet age so we have to recognize well we have to attack it geographically on the ground it is necessary. >> secretary carter do you agree with the corporation as suggested is why is for

that military force? >> event i welcome that. >> i would encourage you with your position that the authorization would send a message of resolve to our allies. and what is not on the big the analysis that the connection between isil with the authorizations requires legal gymnastics edited is wise. so what message does it send to a 3600 troops to those

iaea service members that have lost their lives of madera resolve and the others and have been wounded in the 16 months since it has started? >>, a think the passage of that a new imf would be a signal of resolve in support so there it is desirable i should say that isn't the only thing when you visit them and hold a hearing like this to show when you go back to your base to tell them how proud you are they need to know we're behind them.

ic we are behind you 1,000 percent. >> this was a critical quotation the way where congress has been silent. that a congressional vote doesn't save forthcoming because of politics and require an attack on united states of america. would be wise for congress to wait that long? >> i am in favor it is a positive thing that those are behind the troops that allowed to meet and the military evaders to do what we think is needed to defeat

isil. >> at least predations -- three nations including russia have submitted with other nations such as germany have done the same. from this there is - - senate foreign relations committee. i hope we follow the lead of other nations and then have a vote before the public. this is more of an observation of the senator

mccain was the first to call for the no-fly zone. it was of testimony ended would go across the air defenses. with the administration and came and proposed an aerial attack and when we reminded them with that testimony and i will tell you read the absence of the humanitarian zone will go down one of the big mistakes we've made. with respect to syria with the air defense system and respect to russia said they voted for the security

council resolution calling for cross border delivery without the permission of assad. russia would not intervene and then with a humanitarian effort premised upon the u.s. security council resolution that they voted for. and millions of refugees have left the country in are in a much better place. in terms of the argument when we don't think it is a good idea why they have undercut the argument siret

the president addressed the nation. >> i read it. >> to believe we are at war with isil? >> are they at war with us? >> yes they would hit the homeland for sure they indicate that. >> was there anyplace that would be off-limits? >> but they are metastasizing every where for those you go on-line who even know where they are. >> of ivory. no place on the planet we should give them a safe

haven. when it comes to time when? >> as soon as we can and? >> five years? tenures? direct you want to put a time limit on it? >> it is good to have plans. >> here is my question really to put a time limit? >> we have to fight them until they are defeated. >> i could not agree more. to believe this country should use all lawful means depending on the circumstances? >> sure. >> you think there would be in the hands by 2017. >> i very much hope that it

is not in the hands of isil or the control is eroded. >> will we all hope for pre-war a good man i am not trying to fight you. i believe this will allow for a long time. they will go wherever they can on the planet we should not limit his commander in chief. do you agree? >> i have an authorization to use military force is not limited by geography or time that this president urged future presidents the devastating capabilities

that existed after 9/11 with al qaeda so the congress should the ball. so could you support that has no limit on geography or lawful means. i will not and then the new aumf i am sorry to say i did support the president aumf for two reasons. to permit us to conduct the campaign we need to do to defeat isil. that did have the time dimension. >> end time is no factor

edward rigo whatever is required that is the statement america needs to make. is that fair? whatever it takes forever we need to go. >> ed is so cave for the military campaign but you have to get the votes. i am not asking what can be passed but i a testified in a paper. >> would you vote? to mec data alliance seeing it for the first time.

>> as a secretary of defense and to support that? >> i supported the aumf that the president submitted he has the authority to wage the war. >> to support the concept of the authority is president? >> they have submitted the terms of office. >> i am not asking you about his but the next president whoever he or she may be should have aumf not limited by time that is a smart decision as a military point of view? as secretary of defense a utility one to put limits as far as time? >> i am trying to explain to you why i a understood there was the three-year time

provision it was not for the military reason but in deference to a future president but that was the reason why it was included that was a political abuses. >> from a military point of view. listen to me please. you don't want time limits. you don't want geographical limits. >> we can't. >> for military pointed you don't want to take them off the table. to the congress if you go like with this or future president does then defunded that is your job by making a simple proposition that would give you would appear need with an authorization where you need to go to use the tools that you have to destroy this president - -

this threat. to my colleagues on either side if we produce any aumf restricted you are sending the message you're restricting this homeland the imminent attack is coming when to have this debate and it is imperative that congress get off the sidelines. you are right with seven discussion mr. president embraces authorization because the country needs it. a thank you very much. >> thank you for your service and thank you for being here. i have just come from a vote

on the floor where the fbi director was testifying. many subjects were related to this subject matter of your testimony even though the geography may be different, the threat is the same. clearly this strategy for confronting that pratt has to be coordinated and targeted as to oppose is a danger to the nation. i agree. we are at war. the stark reality. more needs to be done more aggressively, intensely and effectively to use our special operators advising local forces intercepting

communications to cut off the flow of money that is the lifeblood. and the pace seems inadequate. we may differ on that point you may have more on the ground of knowledge but the people are growing impatient i think that statement is an understatement. so i would like to see our strategy become more aggressive to combat the threat abroad where we confront isil and in our

neighborhoods and and where the adversary is just as real and growing just as alarmingly. are you satisfied the intersection in the middle east and elsewhere is sufficiently aligned and coordinated we have the most effective strategic approach >> i met yesterday with the director with the director of palma and security, someone from the cia was there and other agencies to do what you say is necessary to align our

efforts overseas to involve exactly those ingredients and you are right we're looking for an opportunity to use those tools we are strengthening and to gain momentum but wackier is a different kind of challenge the director is working skillfully of that the meeting yesterday was to be sure we're all lined and we will continue to do that periodically and there are things that we can do in terms of striking information infrastructure.

>> thank you for that answer i.r.a. agree totally those efforts need to be aligned in terms of intelligence sharing and gathering but also working with our partners because troops on the ground the to the local there is always the danger but i remain dissatisfied this number of special operators may be insufficient and local forces have shown a robust effort can make a difference

if they are sufficient and ivory finally the authorization use of military force is the essential. we are at war the president deserves a declaration of war. and that may define the kind of conflict that we see to provide a forum for debate about the limits we may want to put on them but at least it will provide a framework for public support that the president needs for this continuing war. thank you mr. chairman. >> you want to start to echo the concerns stated by my

colleagues for constitutional reasons mentioned by senator graham and think it is important to have the debate about the extent of our involvement that is another nice process with the constitutional structure but after the failure of the initial trading in the grip program of syria the department of defense seems to have shifted its focus to a grouping those forces under already on the ground such as the arab groups using

methods they're not familiar with to have an interest that would overlap with showers. can you explain how we've that - - vetting of the group's? >> it is the shift we made. although we're open to lots of different possibilities. >> we take some of them out for trading -- trading was selected individuals and how to connect with us but you are right fundamentally to enable the group's that exist rather than create

brand-new groups. that is the of course, correction that we made it is their leaders that the go through the vetting process rather than the individual level id get you a description of that review by to say something about the vetting process? >> with the coalition to convince leaders to come to the iraqi side of the border and teach your through the database and prior conducted have spent time on the items the secretary talked about in the relationship that was transactional to supply them with a rendition to strike specific targets.

>> is based on the assessment of the leaders so what degree of command and control to be retained over the supplies that we give them? director to go into much more detail in a classified environment but the influence that we have as their connection to the enablers that we provide through training. >> to the group's that we support to what extent do they share the same political goals in the same vision for syria in the future? >> they want to take their homes back and defeats isil to do so.

that is sufficient to get at the fight to. >> are you concerned about the possibility of the cool shifting? couldn't have one focus one day and to have the interests that aligns roughly with our own goals to preserve the interest they are important to american national security that could change later? >> allow me to discuss that in the classifieds setting that would be much more useful than in open session. >> can you tell me roughly how many people are involved? >> the syrian arab coalition we had 40 leaders and saree

20 to look allegiances and prior conduct their brought about 1600 fighters that have worked their way through three villages or three talents in eastern syria. they're beginning preparatory actions the would like to keep private at this point. >> my time is expired. >> this is extremely helpful to our committee. in yesterday's hearing of the military victories was to recruit new fighters and also affects the having ground troops grow into syria is what isil wants.

2.0 the iraq war was called the bus invasion because of the apocalyptic vision that they will come to fight to bring about the end of the world. so do you believe a ground war would help were heard each isil recruiting and which are better positioned to fight on the ground in your opinion? >> vs that best position with the local indigenous forces in particular the sunii forces because the territory that they occupied is mostly city territory. therefore in both the racket

and syria that is my retried to work with them to put a political event to the civil war that are not with those sympathizers cuny to do quite well dash to defeat isil. this is something i have urged would be for more aerobes from the gulf states to become involved but not necessarily occupying territory but to enable local forces. >> but they participated in

their early days. i am generalizing a little bit. but i am disinclined to do participate with that yemen conflict to be preoccupied with that. >> your quotation that said bringing americans to do the fight is a blessing with the view that isil portrays is exactly right we don't do enough of talking about food isil is and what they do. they are barbaric, the subjugate to women, children , engaged in extortion they're not creating a caliphate consistent with the islamic teaching but consistent with

their narrative of western subjugation end is about their power to enrich themselves. if we fall into the trip -- the trap putting us into the ground fight we will do what they want us to do a surprise raid work with partners who are willing to fight. >> can we be more aggressive with our allies to do more? i haven't since eggs -- seeing the success there yet >> we have had support from the jordanians and this is a place we could exert additional pressure. >> obviously turkey is critical, what do you think

we're the calculations and has affected our ability? >> i can only tell you what i've learned from my turkish counterpart. they believe and executed into their airspace. the what i pressed him on is securing the turkish border that is roughly a 90 kilometers and that there is a of a fair number that our relative because isil controls the syrian side of the border. they have opened up their identification data base to help seal the border. >> you have anything you'd like to add?

>> turkey shares a border with syria and that iraq and it has been used the border through which the fighters blood in both directions asking the turks to do more but it is critical they control the border. >> of course, isis wants to preserve their caliphate no one is arguing there should be 100,000 troops although there would like to set up the straw men without leadership there is no strategy to take their base of operations or where

they're orchestrating a tax. but mr. secretary i would beg you to call up general petraeus or secretary gates even former secretary of state and the clinton they will tell you a safe zone with those horrible consequences of a quarter of a million people beryl bob. one dash beryl bob to say that is a stunning display of ignorance or the whole aspect to make the problems seemed so huge we cannot handle let me to protect a

no-fly zone. just need to tell them if you fly in this area you will be shah down. everybody knows that that is why even secretary clinton said this is doable. but basically to see it is business as usual while thousands of syrians are slaughtered the was accompanied by tax of chemical weapons. i leave this hearing somewhat depressed obviously there is no strategy or motivation in to say you can

do that without much difficulty but what we have seen for the last four years saying it would be too hard to do ignoring the fact as long as the slide -- assad does the bombing thousands of men women and children. where are our morals were the traditions? we went to bosnia after day ethnically cleanse 8,000 he has killed to under 40,000 period it is too hard for the most powerful nation to set up a no-fly zone? this hearing is injured. -- adjourned. [inaudible conversations]

>> health care will only get more and more complex we will just need better and better nurses to meet those complex needs of to think about how to keep a strong and healthy to encourage us is a huge. we don't really emphasize that. >> politics was not so different from the world of pain criminals but disguised and less obvious. over 25 years i lived in america as an idea defended the principles, the american

dream, the american founding pilots get american politics has a debate republicans believe in liberty, a democrat to quality. republicans equality of rights democrats equality of outcome. it is the point of view of a criminal underclass does way to look get american politics is complete and total nonsense.

>> if we're supposed to have a democracy read our equal but a system where members of congress 78% of the time is raising money from the 1% they cannot help to be focused and concerned other than that tiny fractions of is the system where basic equality is denied. to have a successful career in the civil service. >> order questions to the prime minister?

[shouting] >> i've been asked to reply. >> mr. speaker as christmas draws closer people are having difficulty making end's meet. they felt 24,000 shops to get 63 million pounds. seems to be refusing to answer questions from the daily on the subject. [shouting] >> of course, we take very

seriously excessive interest charges on payday lending, which is why it was conservative to achieve the first ever on lending. [shouting] >> on the specific question he raises about the funding for illegal money laundrying we are looking actually now to meet the funding requirements that he identifies. [shouting] >> not only attacked christians and muslims but also churches, shrines and mosques. the welcome announcement to protect heritage, can we sooner than later rectify the convention? >> well, let me update the house on the military action since we

met last week. 11 missions and conducted four strikes principally against oil fields. very specifically on the damage being done to the cultural aspects of the area. 30 million pounds and i've discussed with the director of the museum and ratification of hay convention is moving at pace. >> angela eagle. [shouting] >> thank you mr. speaker, it's

nice to get such a warm welcome. [shouting] >> let me welcome the honorable lady to her place. let me join her by expressing

the sympathy of the whole house to those affected by the terrible record hit. the update is that we have just one severe flood warning still in place and power house restored. we have to be there for the long-term for the families. we continue to spot the immediate rescue efforts, of course, the military deployed, on recovery the question she asked about i can say a 50 million-pound fund for families and businesses affected in the area, this will be administered by the local authorities to avoid some of the administrative problems that she alludes to in her question. when it comes to rebuilding the infrastructure and others areas affected, we are setting damage to floods and funds will be made available. one of the benefits of having a strong and resilient economy is we can help people in need. flood

spending by 115 million pounds this year. [shouting] >> l -- mr. speaker after visiting the floods, the prime minister told the house in the statement that money is no object in this relief effort, whatever money is needed will be spent. now i welcome the announcement that the which he knows -- chancellor has just made but will he confirm the same will apply this time. >> absolutely. the money will be made available to those affected and the communities who have seen the infrastructure damage up to 5 pounds to individual families to repair the homes and protect them against future flooding and we are going to provide money to businesses to see businesses and heartbreaking stories we've all seen on television about

businesses that have been affected as well. so that money is available as i say because we have a strong and resilient economy, we are actually increasing the money we spend on our flood prevention. [shouting] >> we are going to be spending 2 billion pounds on flood expenses and increasing the maintenance spending. something we can do to help communities because we took the decision to fix our economy. [shouting] >> i thank the chancellor for that and we will hold him to account on the promises he says today. it will only protect one and eight in those households that are at risk. mr. speaker, i see that the

prime minister can't be with us because he's visiting poland and rumania in renegotiations tour. [laughter] >> mr. speaker, he's been all over the place no wonder we have to find -- fund his own airplane. [laughter] >> can the chancellor tell us how is it all going -- [shouting] >> the good news is we have a leader that's represented abroad. [shouting] >> prime minister is in eastern

europe because we are fighting for europe. >> mr. speaker, i have to tell him that many are pretty unimpressed. [laughter] mr. speaker, mr. speaker, the honorable member describes the prime minister's renegotiation efforts at pretty thin gruel. lame and trivial. yesterday the honorable member told that they were not all that impressed. [shouting] >> now mr. speaker chancellor is well known for cultivating and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

can i ask him the questions his own side won't answer? [shouting] >> given the prime minister has preresigned, does he aspire to be britain's post eu prime minister? [shouting] [laughter] >> most opposition parties are trying to get momentum, they are trying to get rid of it. [shouting] >> we are fighting for a good deal for britain and europe, we are fighting to make the european economy competitive to everyone and braitian gets a fair deal that a country that's not in the euro, in the end it will be something we put to the people in britain and the only

reason it's happening at all is because the conservative party won the general election. >> mr. speaker, the chancellor has said about issues in the labor party condemning the aul -- appalling activities and the future. [shouting] >> i know he didn't answer the question. he might be worried about somebody a few places down the bench. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] [shouting] >> i mean, mr. speaker, she

knows who she is. [laughter] >> mr. speaker if he won't listen perhaps he'll listen to someone who has written in. i have here a letter. [shouting] [laughter] >> mr. speaker mr. speaker. [laughter] and he writes uncertainty about the future of uk and european unions is a destabilizing factor [shouting] >> since the conservative party

announced policy on the referendum we have received into this country because we built a strong economy that's because we stand for britain's interest abroad and we have made a competitive place to grow and build a business, but, look, someone called tony has been writing today happens to be the most successful labour leader in history and describing the labour party as a complete tragedy at the moment. and i suggest that she asks some serious questions about the health service the economy about social care, she can ask any of these questions, she's got one more question, let's hear it. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, i prefer this quote from tony, five more years and you feel reason repulse by

what they've done to our country. [shouting] >> mr. speaker mr. speaker, we all know that the chancellor is so preoccupied with his own leadership ambitions that he forgot to save jobs. that's why he's slashing working families' budget. it's time to focus on the national interest rather than his own interest. [shouting] >> a million uk jobs to trade. that's why -- that's why they are putting it at risk, this is why we on this side of the house know that britain is better off in. [shouting] >> the labour party voted for

the referendum. we are fighting for a better deal for britain and europe and the truth is this, this week we've shown we've got an economic plan and whether it's well funded plus defenses are putting money into the national health service or backing teachers in schools introducing a national living wage, we are delivering security to the working people of britain and their economic and national security would be put at risk if the labour party ever got back into office. [shouting] >> thank you mr. speaker. i recently visited david wilson home and saw firsthand what they're doing what more schools can do to promote apresent --

apprenticeship? >> of course, schools do have a legal duty to provide with information on training and education is available and schools can now tell pupils, there's going to be 3 million apprentices in this parliament. that's a huge commitment to young people in this country. it's also a big commitment to the industry. that's something that no doubt was raised by the business but 3 million apprenticeships are going to help. >> occasionally highly toxic and dangerous materials are transported around the country. isn't the public expected the higher safety standards between the public responsible agencies? >> well, absolutely they're expected to have that

cooperation. if he's talking about the transportation of nuclear materials from the fast lane base, actually i met there t -- the local teams but if he has something else that he wants to talk about, go ahead. >> there's reports in the north of scottland about plans to transport dangerous nuclear material including potentially nuclear weapons uranium from the facility on public roads to airport. it's believed that it would be flown to the united states, what would it be used for or has any of the colleagues or themselves spoken with the minister and the scottish government about this? >> the transportation of nuclear materials has happened across this country over many decades.

there are established procedures for doing so. the royal marines and the police service in scottland provides the security as they do that, if he has specific concerns he wants to raise about the plans for the transportation, he can raise them with us. but as i say, the arrangements are in place to make sure we protect the public. [shouting] >> thank you very much, sir. the chancellor will know the prime minister said in his recent conference speech that we have to get away from the lock them up or let them out mentality when it comes to prison reports. it has to be right. the prison system is costing a fortune. would chancellor agree that rehabilitation work is now? >> my friend is right to raise the question of prison reform. people who commit crimes should go to prison but the prisons

should be suitable to rehabilitate prisoners. our prisons are not suitable, that's why we are going to close them. knock them down and build housing in the cities, which is of course, desperately needed and build modern prisons in the outskirts. i have to say i'm incredibly proud of the program taking social reform. [shouting] >> billion for economy, i'm sure the chancellor will share my concern that two curry houses a week are closing and proposed colleges that have also failed. as a fan himself will he review the situation he lighten strong economy to that of a good curry and come off the crisis? [inaudible conversations]

>> we all enjoy a great british curry but we want is the train here in britain to be provided -- [shouting] >> jobs for people here in this country and that's what our immigration controls provide. >> thank you speaker. [laughter] [inaudible] >> local economic well-being and infrastructure to fuel, what would my honorable friend say to my constituents. any new road is eventually better than any road. >> i congratulate my friends on securing 50 million pounds for lincoln.

a bypass will go ahead. it has to be big enough. let's continue to have those conversations and what we need both of us is to make sure local authorities agree with assessment as well and i'm happy to help him in that task. >> thank you mr. speaker. since the budget in july i have asked time and time again about how he intends to make women improve in order to qualify for tax credits this policy is policy completely unworkable and draw a clause. >> i think t perfectly reasonable to have a well system to those who need it but those who pay for it as well. we identify the very specific case, she identifies in her question about women who have been the victim of domestic abuse or, indeed, raped and that

is why we are consulting or discussing changes to those vulnerable women. >> thank you mr. speaker. my constituency since 2010, i met with income training and small businesses to discuss aprend -- apprenticeships. [shouting] >> chancellor. >> the great news is jobs are being created and in her constituency. we are investing in infrastructure there as well. we are investing in the skills for the next generation with apprentices that she talks about and backing small businesses by cutting the corporations tax and increasing the employment allow weans so they can take more people without paying the job's

tax. >> despite giving gps coordinates several of hospitals have been bombed by coalition and particularly assad forces in syria, yemen and afghanistan killing medics as well as patients. how does the government propose to avoid this in the future? >> the tragic situation of the bombing of the hospital which he mentioned and there's a review going onto make sure that the coalition has got accurate information where it strikes. when it comes to yemen we are working with the saud ji government to make sure that they can review this information and that the information is accurate as for the syrian government and assad, i'm afraid we have no control over them. it's one of the reasons why we would like to see assad go.

[shouting] >> thank you mr. speaker. good news. [shouting] >> will the chancellor commit to continue investment in the economy in area which prefers to any other type? [shouting] >> i'm delighted to hear and the good news that's been happening to his area where it's down by 25% in the last year alone. thanks to local businesses, thanks to the work he's done in attracting infrastructure investment into his constituency and i'm glad he likes the governments and doesn't have so much time by those opposite. [shouting] >> thank you mr. speaker. >> the chancellor --

[inaudible] >> and all have said they wouldn't have been able to study without support of scottish government. what will he say that maybe prevent of the coming -- [shouting] >> well, currently we have a situation with two-thirds of the people in england who apply for nurse training courses are turned down. that can't be right. it means the hospital rely on agency staff or oversea nurses so we are reforming the education of nurses that those who apply are most likely to get them. [shouting] >> thank you mr. speaker. carlisle and company have create traumatic experiences with floods.

as part of the recovery, foundation, highly respected county wide charitable organization i wrote asking for government support, it would help many affected people right across the county. would the chancellor be able to provide such support toward this much needed fund. [shouting] >> first of all, i think everyone would pay tribute to the people of carlisle and resilience and acts of friendship and neighbors have shown by those affected by the floods. the prime minister this morning before he left for central europe asked me to make sure we be able to help on the specific point that my honorable friend raises with the prime minister and i can say that we will support the work and match by up to a million pounds the money raising by the flood.

[shouting] >> mr. speaker, when the chancellor tripled student tuition fees, set threesh hold at 21,000 pounds. now has frozen the threshold and studies show that many students will bare many extra thousands of pounds of repayment. given the promise will he send students an apology or just the bill? >> they introduced tuition fees and the threshold was 15,000 pounds. we've increased that to 21,000 pounds. that enables us to fund the listing on the cap so more people that are qualified can go to university and i would have thought or hoped that on this day he would welcome the big investment we are making into

cambridge. [shouting] >> finally open this month. this will deliver business park, country side park. it's been talked about for decades. will the chancellor join me to welcoming new business and to expand? [shouting] >> chancellor. >> i certainly encourage businesses to locate and he is right about this link road. for decades people have called for this link road and for all those years it's true there was a conservative mp but there was a labour mp and nothing happened. now we have conservative for getting the investment that the local area needs. [shouting] >> thank you mr. speaker. on the seventh of september the prime minister told me that he could not remove refugees from

the migration target because of the requirements of the national statistics. mr. speaker, i wrote to the ons and they told me, in fact, it would be possible. the chancellor demonstrate that britain will do its bid and remove -- [shouting] >> first of all -- >> let's hear the answer. let's hear the chancellor. >> we talked to each other in this government. [shouting] >> the cabinet actually gets around and have meetings and discuss things and then we agree and move forward. they should try it in the labour party. on the honorable lady's question britain is doing bid by taking the 20,000 refugees from the syrian refugee camps and we have always provided a

home to asylum seekers. [shouting] .. that seems wrong. i know my friend is looking at it and we will make sure it

changes. >> thank you mr. speaker. with a chance for take this opportunity to correct the bizarre claim made yesterday by donald trump about parts of london being no go for the metropolitan police? will be point out to mr. trump the artifact excellent relationships between the muslim community in london and the police? >> i think the honorable gentleman speaks everyone in this house. the metropolitan police to a brilliant job and of course, the fantastic relations with british muslims and british muslims have made a massive contribution to our country. donald trump's conflict -- comments light in the face of the principles of the united states and it is one of the reasons why those of you principles approved such an inspiration to so many people over the last couple hundred years. i think the best way to defeat nonsense like this is to engage in robust democratic debate and make it very clear that his views are not welcomed. >> here, here.

>> thank you mr. speaker. [inaudible] well appreciated and respected by my constituents, but the issue they have they cannot run -- daily receive 11% of funding from nhs funding. will the chancellor please work with me and my other colleagues to see what more money we can put into our hospices and commandeer? >> i know my honorable friend is a strong champion of his community and for the hospice that he talks about. we have taken steps to the hospice movement, not least removing the vat they paid in the last part of the. i think we want to get the right balance. i think it's a good thing hospice is funded in part by local charities and support is so strong by the local community. they need the backing of the nhs and, of course we are now

putting money into the nhs because with a strong economy so they can help the hospice movement. >> very grateful mr. speaker. mr. speaker business is a -- my own authority will lose 9.4 million pounds per year on top of already severe revenue support which is proposed. the seven northeast will lose 186 million pounds a year and the combined northeast, 223 million pounds a year. meanwhile, the city of london will get 220 million westminster 440 million. this is his vision of a northern powerhouse? >> the system is going to apply as we reflect the discrepancies he identifies but i would've thought the labour party would support the devolution of business rates.

it's a massive opportunity for local areas to grow into the benefits of that growth. and when it comes to the northern house we have a fantastic announcement today of the new train franchises between over a billion pounds going into new trains, faster journeys and better journey which breaches the people in the north of england. he should get behind it. >> peter bone. >> today there was an important report that said that the tv debates in the general election with great success in teaching people who were not normally interested in politics, and particularly young people. would the acting prime minister, and i know he may have an interest in this matter for encouraging tv debates at the next general election? >> the tv debates benefit society by discussion between the political parties and the broadcasters. i think my right honorable friend the prime minister did exceptionally well in them last

sunday. >> thank you, mr. speaker. it's my understanding that the secretary is banned teachers from entering the uk but will the government lead by example in considering making mr. donald trump an example? >> look, i think the best way to confront the views of someone like donald trump is to engage in a robust democratic argument with him about why he is profoundly wrong about the contribution of american muslims and, indeed, british muslims. and that is the best way to deal with donald trump and his views rather than try to ban

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record low dash recover after the debates and the travel schedule? what is that like and how you keep yourself moving as a candidate? >> isn't different day and energy expended my whole life. i was married when i was 21 and started working in never taken more than a week off. that sells weird today. [laughter] this tool ibm. i like working. i just wrote a book about my emails during my time. it was a couple million but those and i responded to work easily 400,000. i have just live that life. but i am always a lot and

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foreign policy in the country's international allies. after he took questions from the audience on foreign policy and the us-led coalition. this is about an hour. [applause] >> good afternoon. i want to welcome everyone to the council on foreign relations. for those of you in the room or watching who may not know we are an independent nonpartisan membership organization. we are dedicated to being a resource.

government officials government officials business executives, journalists, educators, and students, civic and religious leaders and others to help them better understand the world and foreign-policy choices facing this and other countries. consistent with this mission we are making ourselves a resource available to the american people and the run-up to the 2016 election. toward that end ii have written to the democratic and republican candidates offering briefings from our experts as well as the opportunity for them to come here and speak and take questions from our members. so far in either new york or washington they have heard buford from marco rubio, the senator from florida, jim webb, hillary clinton former secretary of state and chris christie the governor of new jersey. today we are pleased and honored to host the governor

of ohio. governor of ohio since 2011. and previously served for 18 years as a member of congress from ohio. in today's conversation will be conducted by john microplate editor in chief a bloomberg news and former editor-in-chief of the economist. the scenario will be 1st the governor will give us his prepared remarks afterward she will take questions from mr. nickel plate and then the government has agreed to take questions from you council on foreign relations members. with that money welcome you to the podium. [applause] thank you. >> normally i would go off the. this is too much of an extinct -- distinguished

group. it is great to be here at the council and have a form like this. i want to give you a pretty comprehensive you of my view of the world and then we can take some questions and it will be great. i am honored and pleased to be with you today. you know, this kind of form is terrific because it is something more than a seven or eight minute comment. it is actually a chance to express yourself over time and i would like to take a few minutes to describe my vision of what i consider to be the right way forward to preserve our way of life and to secure our nation's future. i do so with the fundamental position of the policy encompasses several broad areas. the coherent strategy all of

which must be supported by a newa new commitment to our allies and to revitalizing our public diplomacy. first an important peemack. it will take bribe to fund broad bipartisan support to achieve our national security objectives. the same approach that was pursued by president ronald reagan from the very outset of his administration. the number of suicide bombings in beirut, the attacks in the bombing of a russian passenger aircraft over the sinai as well as recent events in syria turkey, san bernardino have once again made a stunningly clear that the challenges have to remain front and center our national agenda. iagenda. i am running for president because i believe am qualified to lead pending governing an exceptionally challenging time. the most pressing part of our current challenge is the rising threat of global terror in the name of the

distorted view not just against western civilization but against all humanity. it is an ideology informing a movement that uses all of the tools of modern communication the spread lies and the kill the innocent. it is worth pointing out the challenge drives by leveraging the communication technology that is a product of western societies huge advances in science the communication revolution that is created the interconnectedness we enjoy today and it is ironic to consider that it is part of the inherent contradiction of extremism but the ultimate success would kill the very spirit of freedom, innovation intervention i created the communication technologies that they need to exist. patient negotiations played a central role in ending the

cold war and led to a long period of international stability. i was there through much of it. the soviet union and the western alliance wanted to stay alive. our enemies today really don't care if they are anyone else lives or dies and of course this is new and different for the civilized world. these opponents therefore pose aa challenge that does not lend itself to resolution by negotiation. they don't want to occupy a couple cities occupied territory they want to defeat the west. my view is they're can be no further delay in the concerted coordinated effort that is required to defend ourselves and our allies and to defeat the terrorist threat. i don't think we will disagree when i say our present policies and military posture are not adequate to meet much less defeat the real threat that

we face. extremist groups are among the most pressing problems currently confronting us. diplomatic negotiationsus. diplomatic negotiations to try to solve the syrian crisis are underway yet i am not convinced the agreement being negotiated in vienna will be implemented on unannounced schedule or on any realistic schedule. frankly, i think what is happening in regard to syria is really an empty and unrealistic promise. what's more, with isi s having threatened to attack the us homeland either we or our allies engage now with the full capacity and with the termination or we will continue to be engaged at times and places and that extreme levels of violence when you least expect it. we cannot wait.wait. instead of signaling that we will not become more deeply involved we must stand ready to support france as i

called for initially to invoke article five, the mutual defense cause of nato which would bring us together to help rli france. france did not go in that direction. they chose to invoke the eu mutual defense because frankly our position was made clear. i agree that the november 17 attacks were an active work and therefore were an attack on america in every other nato member state. nato came to our aid after september 11 and must not be ready to do so again for france. i also believe we should significantly tighten security checks that applicants undergo and congress has begun to work together to think about that. since we are a nation of laws efforts to counter

terrorists can and must be done in a way that protects privacy and civil liberties. in fulfilling his duty to protect our nation the government must be able to monitor individuals it has reasonable cause to believe mean us harm. the attacks show that sometimes with individuals who are off the radar enabling intelligence agencies to analyze telephone calling data quickly could play an essential role in uncovering terrorist planning and networks. i do believe the american people would support the capture and storage of information for defense purposes provided that access to it will not be abused. we may therefore need to re-examine the period of time telephone metadata should be required to be held in storage specifically for counterterrorism purposes looking in the tightening the criteria for access to data and strong sanctions should follow if there is any abuse.

we needwe need to intensify international intelligence cooperation by identifying makes changing information tracking and helping to arrest the thousands of volunteers currently fighting the number of whom returned to their home countries to commit atrocities such as those witnessed in paris. we need to ensure our joint terrorism task forces have the personnel and resources they need to track potential domestic terrorists. we need to understand the effectiveness of our joint terrorism task forces run by fbi and comprised of local law enforcement. we enforcement. they should provide far more support to the kurds in syria and iraq. fighting tofighting to defend their homeland and one of the few groups relate us that really has demonstrated they know how to take the fight. we must arm them more effectively than we have done so far. turkey has legitimate concerns about arming the kurds. he will have to work to address the concerns even

as we insist on addressing a threat to the vital interests of america and to the rest of the world. in other words we have to come to terms when it comes to the ultimate resolution. we must create safe havens protected by no-fly zones. i 1st called for no-fly zones early to relieve the suffering of syrian refugees and reduce the need to travel to europe. the. the sanctuary should be located on the turkish and jordanian borders and our jordanian and kurdish allies can provide protection on the ground while the united states provides protection from the air. somebody asked me in regard to russia if they were to fly into a no-fly zone and amateur would answer one way command they flew in the 1st time i would probably let them fly out. if they flew in the 2nd time they would not be any plane leaving the no-fly zone. thanks to my 18 years on the

house armed services committee i knew many months ago the only way to solve this problem is to call for international coalition tonight in the territory they need to survive. those with long experience no that an air campaign on its own is simply not enough. and the longer we wait the more difficult it will be and the more costly will be in many different ways. mark my words, we will all be on the ground sooner or later. sooner is better than later. the loss of life, delay

loss of life if we delay will be greater and the mission will be more difficult command we need to make it clear to our european allies that just sending some people to drop bombs is not going to solve their problem in their homeland or our ability as a civilized world to defeat isi s. to sustain the gains made we also have to win the war of ideas. us public diplomacy and international broadcasting have lost their focus on making the case for the ideas of the civilized world which means the value of human life, equality of all people, respect for the rights of women and for lovelock far more powerful than our opponents propaganda and disinformation and our public diplomacy efforts must be consolidated refocused command reorganized fundamentally in order to defeat their extremist ideology.

i am not recommending a new department or expanded government. i am recommending we take institutions like voice of america, radio liberty so many communication tools we used in the middle of the cold war the tell the truth and of course today in the 21st century is not just about a radio broadcast. it's about a social media effort designed to tell the world that life is greater than just your own life that there is respect for women and equality for women in the right to protest and the right to free speech. these are things that i believe rest in the hearts of all human beings but sometimes they are overwhelmed by the propaganda of those who are intent on killing us and get broadcast of those whoto those who are confused or who have been propagandized throughout there life. we have to win the war of

ideas and that the same time when the battle of bullets. the challenge posed is a symptom of a broader weakness and american national security policy. failing to advance what we believe in our basic national interest. i believe we seem almost afraid to do so today for fear of possibly offending someone. a great nation that watch with fear is aa nation that cannot lead. particularly when that leadership is indispensable to the world. others and some who may harbor unfriendly views toward us interpret our failure to act for them places such as syria and iraq and let me add ukraine has weaknesses. the administration's desire for nuclear agreement with iran and almost any other

cost is another example. we now have the report of the iaea which did not receive full cooperation with information on the possible military dimensions of iran's nuclear program. it states the military related work continues as late as 2,009. the lack of cooperation with the iaea does not bode well for the future of the nuclear agreement.agreement. a new administration should review and reassess the agreement upon assuming office. remain vigilant and be prepared to act immediately and concert with allies in the event that iran violates the agreement. and let me suggest the president ought to be preparing with our allies in europe the possibility that if iran violates these agreements we will not delay in imposing sanctions. without that work being done now i tell you what i fear, money will be the order of the day command we would be

forced to act almost unilaterally. which would unilaterally. which would not allow us to be as effective as if we act in concert with our allies. i believe that weakness invites challenge and the kind of opposition we have seen does not share our values such as china and russia and many others by invading georgia, annexing crimea sponsoring the deadly insurgency in eastern ukraine propping up a sod monitoring provocative air and sea patrols and building out air defenses with the recent establishment of the as/400 and the syrian and belarus and the structure russia once again becomes a meaningful threat to european security. russia's leadership is not respect the basic tenants of the international order. those are basic norms of international relations and russia's failure to respect them is not compatible with constructing relations with the west.

we should work together with european allies to offender for ukraine including training and arming ukrainian forces with the weapons they have requested repeatedly that congress is already approved and assuring what is provided is actually in working condition not are heavily used castoffs focusing on the defense of new nato member states on the front lines with russia such as poland, latvia,poland, latvia, lithuania, estonia focusing on supplying and equipping in achieving interoperability committing to hire defense spending targets,targets, repositioning existing us forces in europe near the eastern borders, increasing cooperation with non- nato finland and sweden and building a new strong integrated air defense system to cover nato's eastern edge. in this context i welcome the fact that much in a robust to join nato is the 29th member state playing lessons of the crimean

invasion to develop and exercise contingency plans for dealing with future russian provocations. we all no there is no such thing as little green men were volunteers. in volunteers. in the future any such combatants must be treated as what they are and attacking russian army.army. if they reappear i was strengthen us forces in europe and around the world to heightened alert status to enable timely intervention in support of our friends and allies. and even well russia's actions forces to take tough measures to achieve piece through strength and safeguard friends and allies i would make it clear that the door to negotiation, the door to negotiations remain open. achieving piece through strength has become a touchstone ever since bernard berube uttered those words is a warning after world war i and our president and great general eisenhower adopted them with the central message of his presidential campaign and it

was a central part of president reagan's campaign in 1980 and he acted on it was in office. i am confident talking with our allies can create the conditions to build a new european security architecture that accommodates the security interests of all. we don't need another failed reset the router a clear and a clear and credible statement of how we will respond to further russian aggression. all this should apply to our relationship with china. the lack of clarity we have shown is essentially no different from that we have demonstrated tour china. china's efforts to stick an outrageous claim to control the entire south china sea and its seabed resources which it is clearly not entitled to those are start violations of international rules and norms of our efforts to bully its neighbors. because of those efforts we must stand firm in support

of our pacific basin now i see many threatened by china's moves. this requires working closely with the regional ally to increase our military presence in the region. ..

>> >> in to build ballistic missile defenses will seek just as we have worked from the mission of 45 years ago to have innovative solutions and institutions that accommodate the national security interest. because leadership from the front has not been a priority from the obama administration with paramilitary has grown weak and frail. we have even hesitated to advocate to live but universal rules.

as rebuild the military from the bottom-up i don't mean it should be every wish west but to have corresponding capabilities to become interior militarily. what it means the bill will be needed based of the threat that we have. there is no room for pork or a ball rolling over using live defense budget for the jobs program. to meet the threat that we have the 21st century. we have to be careful how to spend military dollars especially on weapons systems. to provide incentives for contractors to come in under budget with off-the-shelf technology needs to be used

with the criteria for costly design changes. i served on the defense committee 18 years and was involved in any massive reforms goldwater nichols into a vast black dash empower ambassador commanders the pentagon has to be reformed because ted somebody that is not too tough the bureaucracy will run either way so that they can be run over. with that president constantly looks over because any dollars we waste better not supporting our men and women in the military. can we fix that? no question and we need to

have a significant increase in to national defense. with a clearer understanding of challenges of national defense and military finalization. as i have noted the half to build a strong bipartisan team to implement his innovative policies to do that again and what the future is. we have proposed a plan strong economically and militarily to balance the budget because i have balance the federal budget of the united states with some of my colleagues have had an in ohio the last five years but typically when other countries that we have to deal with is we louis hour leverage.

the dysfunction that we see in washington the ability to solve problems with it sent -- type of a message does that send? we don't think we'll get anything done. if you cannot walk into them at the same time with partisanship or self-interest as we think absolutely as leaders communicate a message. you know, what you have to do even if you don't want to do with that we will do it together to solve our problems in rebuilding our economy and strengthen united states of america. unfortunately there have been new dimensions with a large and growing credit for

information security called the cyberthreat. they are hacking everything from our companies, to our banks, to our government. the scope of the industrial scale closes a significant threat to privacy and security to the international competitiveness. we need to make cyberdefense interval to the strategy and prepare to recover from such attacks to respond swiftly and decisively. i am told we do have the technology in the nsa for we all have a policy to not only defend against these attacks to make it clear to

have a counter capability to identify and destroy those systems that are attacking united states. the encryption technology that is available for every day communications to furthermore the next generation is rapidly approaching. let me just explain we knew of four or more individuals that security people have been watching. the couple is themes were commanding one dash two indicating with those people because of encryption we did not detect it but we also say in the case of san

bernardino. building an arsenal and neighbors may have suspected we need to watching a report but encryption technology the people can hide or use encryption on the phones to avoid detection has to be solved. then it you start to solve the problem to give security officials into the back door it opens the possibility for criminals to use the same back door to exploit access to being corrected technology. what do you do? usage nanotechnology community and intelligence community and the legislative community there is not a single problem that we see that cannot be fixed

if we get smart people in a room with good intentions to fix it. to have seen things fixed in washington to reform entitlements with a loss of 350,000 jobs and $8 billion into a $2 billion surplus and how? smart people solving problems. you get in the room with the best people to fix it. after 9/11 i was in a meeting with secretary rumsfeld suggested we bring people from the silicon valley as of a person to lead the best and brightest and they were there to help. as congress moves to put

more rules and regulations to say i want to be involved anymore. use common sense to figure out how to solve the most vexing problem in the world of technology those that data security threats with the intelligence cooperation with 1 million people standing in the town square it did not see fit to mourn with the people of france is inexplicable. the prime minister comes to the united states he will

have a meeting. maybe we won't have 50 cameras there but we will not disrespect our allies. and with shared universal values in the right of every person to learn and grow and achieve and in the constitution of so many of the nations around the world with universal declaration somehow think it is politically incorrect to call their cut exceptional. i have to tell you what with most americans i paid no is exceptional is the statement of the obvious.

it is a melting pot of all the people in the world because day tocqueville recognized uniqueness not afraid to fight for ideas that we can argue to add that is a hallmark of freedom. and we unite as a nation to come together of common cause. we're so much stronger when we're together. republicans and democrats with liberals and conservatives and independence together we stand together to have power

and confidence. some changes are large one but the power is in the people to serve one another one to restore america's standing in leadership to come together to forge a new consensus about a sustainable vision for future national security and the tools with which to implement. thanks for your attention and i will stand for a few questions. [applause]

>> thank you governor a very detailed look. you didn't mention donald trump's planned to be an all -- is that the need contenders' something you should take on? >> i have not been attacking donald trump but the ideas that divide this country for a long time. i am glad to provide some comfort for those that are beginning to wake up. with plans to attack hispanics hispanics, muslims, database , insults to women and to make fun of a reporter with a disability.

this is not what leads to a strong america and now the latest declaration people don't buy this. but it doesn't represent what we are. with an "american idol" primary all kinds of crazy things happen. certainly not as we function as a country that i have been encouraged by the number of moderate muslims that the religion has been hijacked. they have condemned the attacks all over the world. and bernard lewis wrote a book talking about the need

for islam to reclaim its self. and they're fighting for what the religion is about. >> how you persuade europeans to back that? if russia wanted to help us but that doesn't change my view on ukraine or eastern europe. there can be times we can work together for common purpose to let them off the hook with their friends in eastern europe. we spent a little time before we came out to talk about this. look at the number of attacks, isis inspired we

hear about them so many we don't see because summer larger than others this is an attack on all of them they will not go away so who would have dreamt that we would see what we saw in brussels? it is everywhere. you have to go to where the problem is my view is you don't have to lecture you have to talk to the leaders and privately when american needs to lead and then we can convince them the first goal for the was a big deal but nothing more than saddam hussein invading kuwait i remember the injection of

basket -- embassador pledged arab support we're not talking about an existential threat on anybody. what does this family think and jordan or saudi arabia? or the gulf state? of egypt for a while we had a muslim brotherhood government. they are next. it is possible to put a coalition together if people can count on us. the red line is devastating. if you're not on the ground it will not work. in syria we should have supported rebel forces early on and we should continue and i believe a side has to

go but now the president thinks his policies are working. but leaders that run on the basis of polls we have had focus groups as governor of ohio was devastated at the end of the first year the most unpopular governor in the country. to save leadership. you have to have the right tone, how to encourage people, and across the country people one this dealt with.

>> he has done a few things to send a message to the chinese that is one thing to stand out that recognizes the problem. and then having a completely different view of the world. that is a new way give the 21st century to leave from behind but he has a different view and that is a negative because it is indispensable for world peace. with the ability to deal with this problem as it has

been accelerating. >> you mentioned truck yesterday former governor secretary said if he was nominated he would not support or vote for him. how about you? the defense establishment has said recently climate changes a national-security problem. du believe in never taken seriously? what would you? >> right after the attacks of paris the president says we will fight terrorism by doing climate change. i didn't understand that all. and the degree to which to

just impose willy-nilly goals or rules and is not my idea how to handle this issue. i am a believer in renewable and they need to be exploited i signed a pledge for you have to be careful, i would support the republican nominee. is it possible to change your mind? yes. it takes something extreme but there is no way donald trump will be president. i have said that for weeks and will not take it seriously. it will not happen. >> in the last tenures over 300 americans have been killed by terrorist in the

same period over 300,000 americans have died from gun violence. would you support a ban on assault weapons and reduce support a ban on weapons availability on the no-fly list? >> we stop people in ohio on the no-fly list were the terrorism watch list we want to make sure we know what they're doing if you look at the no-fly list my concern is you could be on it. to make sure it they should not fly airplanes and if

they have a due process they should not purchase firearms. if you take guns away from all law-abiding people bad guys still have guns. i have to 16 year-old daughter's high want to defend myself as somebody does me harm. if you have noticed most of the mass shooters come from broken families, neighborhoods that have fallen apart, you wonder where is the siblings? father? what about mental illness? and to treat the mentally ill with emergency beds if people are isolated and mentally ill.

said to go deeper on the gun debate. of what is happening in our society. the strength in neighborhoods. >> as the council member mr. trump will you refuse? >> i wouldn't run on any ticket. i have the second best job in america as governor of ohio. because they think we can

win in new hampshire is important but keep your eye on the ball we will see what happens. >> what people would you want to bring in? >> what i have learned for many years dealing with national security issues you want your traditional military people and there has always been a struggle between those who believe in the traditional military operations in those who have spent more time in special forces. between the traditionalists and those who are not. what should hold true my key

adviser is a former national security adviser of president reagan and i have other people that i listen to. i ask the person in the cia if she thought it was capable. this person is served a long time said i don't think it is a target but it should be done inside the pentagon. i like that guy. so you want a variety of opinions it is the same of the forces on the ground. it is in the job of the president but the commander in chief to we will go live reprogram so much of what we

do in a presidential campaign today that things don't get solved with little answers. we talk about the thought problem of encryption or cyberwarfare. so smart people with intellectually honest if i find someone we can work read but most people want to contribute. and that is the way i would do it. >> with all that is going on in the region how can you talk about what is going on with israel?

to read sometimes we're tougher on our families then the people that we know. tougher on friends and enemies it is human nature to think that way if i have anything to say to israel but i don't like they're doing i will do it the back room where no one else can hear me i wouldn't do a whole television cameras and embarrass our friends they are of great ally their existence is in in question almost every day. somebody said what we do about the peace process? if you have to go from saudi arabia to get to israel and then you can find on the map what is the world recognize their right to exist?

and tell the radicals change their way they can contribute to a solution this is in regard there are no finally answers. is how low do we achieve stability to get through the day and be stable? there is no single simple resolution to the challenge that we have. >> with the earlier plan of syria do you think you can still retain israel as an ally? >> we had a conversation in the back i look and wonder

where is the? i watch his interviews but i think he made a big mistake and they refused to allow turkey to be part of their economic program. they need to be pulled to the west not let go to the east people have told me that he is a tough character clearly. but i understand they said the russian plane went briefly and then don't know the truth but when somebody invades your airspace you don't apologize to the country that invaded the airspace.

>> to say we support you. it is a way to get there. with a long-term resolution of the issue they live in total fear of kurdistan but the reality is they have to have some place, maybe a confederation and to understand it is a long history one doesn't preclude the other of public diplomacy and i believe around the world if we have a military presence the

former head has said we need military, the diplomats and as an investor from texas we do have our business friends and partners around the world i know someone who knows more than the entire state department we understand they have a bias. the public diplomacy with friends in ohio opened a country in turkey it is interesting to hear what they have to say. ree will work aggressively to do that. >> governor you made your

mark in washington so i'd like to ask if you could explore the financial implications of the foreign policy. with the investments of the state department and international development i am under president bush initiative to health care? as an important contributor is this something we need to expand with defense spending to the future? our due we have to economize to keep the budget in balance? >> i can do this very quickly. this gets us to balance in eight years. i am not promising a flat tax or no irs but let's be real.

with the simplified system of capital gains. in addition to that those have the incentive to work. with that accelerated depreciation with up 5% tax then double taxation. also to restrain government spending. i would move welfare or job training or transportation and medicaid out of washington with greater flexibility. to increase defense spending to make an effort to reduce the overregulated society

adding up at 3.9% growth to get this to a balanced budget sooner the what we project. >> in terms of international diplomacy. and nobody has come from developing to developed. but in 1998 or 99 i went to capitol hill to work with jesse helms and bill clinton to pass the first measure. with an african village everyone the women to say united states vaccinated my children.

for those diplomacy is critically important the foreign aid that goes to help people in what president bush did never got credit is a follow-on of what was started by clean water or vaccinations to create a big diem project and displays all the people in the village and then create anger. and to listen to what was suggested of the war of ideas. that has to be defended you have to realize who are these people to join isis? how were these people from mississippi going to syria?

and whenever they think their lives to not matter with drug addiction and returned to radicalization and that we are for equality of women and to communicate that in every way we can to sit on the fence. in foreign aid and diplomacy simic if he were forced to live outside the united states for five years where do see yourself living with a society that does it well?

and how would you fix the problem? >> go to great questions. thanks to the cleveland browns start over again. [laughter] taking a job out set of ohio i cannot imagine living in another country. his bader was a coal miner. to say let's get the cold that i brought up. and then to have eight kids in the family claimed told that my dad went to school in clothes made out of a flour sack.

michael canady believe what has happened to his nephew. my grandmother was a rationing could not speak english. at the council foreign relations this is a big deal. at the council of foreign relations cannot believe it i am the guy who used to be the head of the economist. >> that is what your grandmother dreamed of. [laughter] >> this is where i want to be. i am going on.

and it was unbelievable to think about their struggles and the beauty of this city that was bare the bombings of world war ii. and leroy standing at one of the last pieces. i visited the soviet union as a member of the committee. standing at that wall there was a woman in the carriage. to stand on this side her son was kicking around a little ball. and i became emotional. what the heck is wrong with you? think about this. if you were over here during a prison.

to think about what we are able to achieve. what is better than foresight when you go to paris? lead the 14th knows about executive authority. [laughter] even if the browns with and i am not leaving america. [laughter] >> we are running at a time.

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