practiced for 40 years if i knew what the fda approved and didn't and this goes back to 1969 when we had a combination approved for 60% of the people. we discussed then they never approved the combination of drugs but we went ahead and we did it and we never got bothered for that until years later. it's very well discussed and in the various diseases the key issue that i think has to be addressed is bought and went after in any american society for clinical oncology. ted kennedy told us there were some senators that were against it, just get some patients. they can't argue with cancer patients and when you come down here they think that you want to make a lot of money for your self and i'm sure the same thing

goes for the biotech people selective service with or can we do to get the patients involved because it is very difficult to do but especially for pancreatic the people that got involved with the same funding people listen to them and we need a patient approach because the congress people there it's very sad to see john dingell sitting next to president obama. he was one of the people most against it and put it under tremendous investigation and that is sitting next to the president when he approved some things we need the patients involved and please tell me what you are doing. >> everyone will be a patient at some point in their life.

but as the cost of the holdings i think it's about a thousand dollars right now but the prices plummeting to the point is going to get into the clinic and at some point they will be pricking a newborn and taking a drop of blood and looking at it and saying okay we see a physician for heart disease or diabetes or colon cancer and a level everyone becomes a potential patient advocate i think is a game changer. it's using the power of the people, power if the patient to influence change and the recalcitrant cancer research act was passed into the law law in january as a result of the efforts of the pancreatic cancer research act and we could get 600 patients that are not usually patients but family members of patients of families

that have lost someone to the disease all dressed in purple year after year. the end result was asking them to come up with a scientific framework for the deadliest cancers with a five-year survival rate of 50% or less and that is not something they are acting on in terms of looking at that from a more strategic viewpoint so i think those are the types of things that take a long time. you need it need another organization to make sure that the message is consistent and that you know what you are asking for is what you really want. but that is one way to effect a affect that kind of change. >> foundation we actually organize the patients in the community can and the community

come and we have about 180 groups behind the campaign and every year we bring about 200 patient advocates and go to that which is the conference to tell them what's going on. we have lobbies telling them how to talk to the congressmen and staffers in the company that sets up meetings with their particular congressmen or staffers. we send. we send them out on the hill and put ads in politico and we make a big disease week and weekend have a premier and we do a caucus and do a big event out of it and we do it every year now and they know you're coming in actually congressman congressmen with these issues and feel like they are a good thing for them. we work on both sides of the aisle. they are very aware and frankly the 21st century stuff is basically a rare disease focus. so we definitely agree with you it is not just the company.

it has to be the patients that are affected by these diseases telling their story on the hill and he did it in an organized way with enough firepower so that they can appeal the presence of the groups by one day every year in february. >> other questions out there. >> my name is amy and i teach at the university of pennsylvania. i am wondering if one possible way through the whole ind ticket, and it is a very slow ticket would be pretty fda to have something like a recalcitrant disease program just carve out specific diseases with abysmal prognoses. a lot of them would be cancer come and to create a much more loose regime for the treatment protocols. i can see one obstacle to that is this kind of defeat of

existing treatments that work and everything has to be compared to existing treatments. i think that is probably pernicious for the diseases that pancreatic cancer and lung cancer and the like. but it might create some tension to say nothing really works. so, we should just try anything. >> that is along the lines of trying to open it up so that isn't a one-size-fits-all and even if they have to lump some of the diseases and to those those that are particularly difficult or recalcitrant there is nothing to do for them and that might be easier for them to do than to think about it in each of these individually. although certainly at some level that needs to come into play. >> next question. >> jonathan fleming, network for

health and innovation. can you comment on -- or if you are doing any work or having a opinion about the payment the payment side of this, certainly another reason why there hasn't been a lot of activity in biomarker the biomarker space is i don't think if you even get something approved you go to another three to five-year odyssey before you determine what you're going your going to get paid in the process of the market. it tends to be very depressing for the number of projects that get financed. so with the exception of the company but positive it's going to get approved and has an absolute certain have you looked at with the incentives are for the product developers and what do they get tax >> i think it is a major economic problem for reasons suggested i know of only two ways to monetize the endpoint

discovery. if you put up with the point for alzheimer's that the fda approved it could be a billion-dollar discovery at least. looking at alzheimer's drugs conventional fda trials would be expensive okay? in response to an earlier question, people across the united states of a huge debt of gratitude to the community. their activism in the late 1980s and 1890s that created the accelerated approval which is basically the primary regulatory matrix now for the possibility of introducing the pharmacological and basically molecular level stuff. but if they are monetizing the two discoveries that is the diagnostic devices. if you're going to have a targeted drug is only going to be prescribed as these conditions in the act i know until recently they required the

companion licensing of the device. now the problem with this if you are a good pioneer and better still to find a find a way for the approval so now you have to find a pathway for the rapid approval by the fda is it easy for all to follow up on the assumption they look up the mechanism of the drug and they conduct a few studies and it's the classic story. a japanese researcher with the basic chemistry and discovered the acts. he he didn't work he didn't work up a chemistry at all that his grandfather was interested and looked at the wonders to make sure they produced all of these medicines and he figured so maybe some microbes may have thought of a way to disrupt the cholesterol because it is included. so meanwhile they are working up a molecular cholesterol pathway for that and the cholesterol gets walked away so they call it the most decorated molecules in

history. but anyway. [laughter] these people did valuable work. one company came up with another out of doing that -- working on lipitor. we need some type of intellectual property and peace university researchers and others they want everything shared for free but everybody that this stuff is very expensive. you have to have an incentive. >> .5% of the revenues for any product that is approved using a validated biomarker workflow the money back into the diagnostics industry back into the medical community and would encourage

the companies to share the data. we can pull the data and the revenues and that would allow us to get as much faster as much the better. >> into question tax >> we have one more. okay. >> i'm getting mixed signals from the governor over here. >> sorry to everybody up. i'm from the foundation and i am enjoying the discussion. i represent the near a logical space like parkinson's and alzheimer's and i think it's important to recognize the panelists said this can raise all the votes and so we are focused on how the genomic area really hope people recognize something as simple as an mri scan could really hope they either conditions that represent the barriers for the drug

approval. there is a scan for parkinsons to indicate whether somebody does or doesn't have parkinsons but for those that are negative negative space to be included in a clinical trial even though they don't have parkinsons. so how do we increase the flexibility to say okay we recognize we can exclude them from the trial and therefore make sure drugs that can help will actually get the approval to help people live with the disease they have today. >> a big chunk of the biomarker research that we didn't discuss pretty much now is actually locating the sort of genetic starting points. is there a profile that tells us it might be developing and there might be quite a number of many of the diseases would provide a cam scan for huntington's and a

number of other things. from the molecular perspective you have complex chains of compelling the signals and there can be multiple molecules and any number of them quickly same disruption and cost the same clinical descriptions disruptions. they tossed overboard all the standard definitions of the narrow logical diseases without setting that up we are not finding that. we will find that they actually use the analysis decisions we will isolate pathways in the brain in some finite number to work on them as much as possible.

amazing use of the biomarker which is what the fda is choosing its own name calls. we shouldn't be testing a drug on somebody. quite a few people have resiliency in a certain fraction of people that get infected if never progresses in their bodies. it's a rather small number but there are others like this and you don't want to test drugs against people have the back all wrong and that's the best i can give you on that one. >> we have covered a lot of ground. [applause] i want to thank the supporters

of the manhattan institute for helping us invest in this often but elected area of policy. thank you very much. [applause] >> is [inaudible conversations]

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injury and death in the united states is far higher than anywhere else in the developed world by far. over 30,000 each year over 60,000. that's about 90 day. we think of some mass shootings but we don't think about 90 day. more people have died in the u.s. just in the last four years fan the number of soldiers that died in korea, vietnam and afghanistan.

why does this happen? doesn't have to happen, why did this murder occurred in the church six months ago? >> a short preview of the conference you can see it in its entirety starting at eight eastern on the companion network c-span from today's washington journal this is about 40 minutes. >> we want to welcome back henry olsen a senior fellow at the ethics and public policy center and out with a new book. the title is called the four phases of the republican party. the fight for the 2016

presidential nomination. good morning and thanks for being with us. >> guest: thanks for having me on. >> guest: >> host: i want to focus on the candidates in the race. why did you write it? >> guest: that is a big misunderstanding about how the republican party operates. people think that there are two factions in the establishment and in fact the premise behind the book is that there are four factions, moderate, middle-of-the-road conservatives or what we call somewhat conservatives and two types of movement conservatives, evangelical and secular and they've remained pretty stable over the last 20 years and if they are at an interplay and vocation in the different states to determine who will win the nomination. >> is the party growing or shrinking? >> guest: socking debates seem to be attracting the primary process and we will see whether that means growth in 2016 >> host: what were some of the

strategic mistakes made by the mitt romney campaign leading into the general election? >> biggest mistake was not understanding the swing vote and what that person needed to be pulled away from the president. the swing vote and it could be the middle income to deliver middle income native born. a person with less than a college education, and that person didn't find a business experience attractive or the cuts attractive going into the campaign. they assumed that those people would be there for the taking because they didn't like the president of the need to be plausible alternative and the campaign didn't present an economic growth plan that appealed to those people. >> host: learning the lessons from 2012 what is your take away from that report and has the party to the left and? >> guest: the autopsy wasn't

sufficiently deep. but they didn't do is recast the economic policy that would appeal they took the answers to be more service-level, we need to show they are good on some other things and people will agree on us on the core economics. >> host: we have seen what happened obviously in paris and more recently san bernardino california. really how that has changed the debate of the dialogue in this race hell does that that setup the republicans in 2016? >> guest: it's made national security a much more important issue. that is one the hold an advantage on in one of the reasons why in the last democratic debate heller e.

clinton started to separate herself from the president as far as demonstrating a willingness to take on the ice us militarily. a year from now, we could have different events but right now it is focusing on national security and that is something that is favorable for the republicans going into 2016. >> host: let me share to campaign spots from the ted cruz campaign released late last week. >> securing our borders and stopping illegal immigration is a matter of national security. that's why i fought so hard to defeat president obama and the establishments in the amnesty plan. the misguided plan would have given obama the authority to admit the refugees including isis terrorists. that is just wrong. when it comes to the radical islamic terrorism i think we need to rediscover ronald reagan's defense strategy. we went and they lose. i'm ted cruz and i approve this message. >> host: as you look at that

spot and hear ted cruz, what is your reaction? >> guest: we knows his constituency in the party. there's a large number of people that are very upset about the level of immigration and the people who bb the president is weak and ties them together very nicely and it's something the primary should help quite a bit. >> host: kathleen parker writes about the biggest political news is that donald trump may be doing even better than the suggested and did you look at all of the national surveys as the front-runner nationally comes likely a different story in iowa where ted cruz is ahead in some of the polls and donald trump and others. did you look at the campaign and where he stands? >> guest: donald trump represents something that is new to this country that that's very common in europe which is the white working class protest party that strikes the same themes as the leaders like nigel

and he gets the same level of enthusiasm among a certain group that he is also low and reviled by many people. in fact donald trump would ask the question who would you never support in the republican primary and trump leads the poll as well. he is a polarizing figure and right now the vote is divided among multiple candidates and once we get to a small race you will start to see his feeling is close to where he is now and other candidates will start to move up. >> host: that again this is the view on the polling saying that there may be wide support for donald trump and some people expected and the reverse effect if you will saying that bradley was a former los angeles mayor who was african-american and who ran unsuccessfully for governor back in 1982 and 1986 and is the

surprise pollsters that predicted an easy win based on the polling apparently many people were feasible of being considered a racist and he said they were not going to vote for him. now we have people not saying they will vote for a chump and telephone surveyors think that they are out of their minds. >> guest: i wrote about that in the atlantic.com two weeks ago. there are differences between lives on the telephone and anonymous on the internet. he does better on the anonymous polls and that's the phenomena that we have seen with white working class protest parties that they do better when there's anonymity than when there are people that are asking them. but nonetheless he may be doing better than some suggest that there's still a hard ceiling on his support. the poll for the support don't necessarily indicate the depth of the opposition to him. when more candidates drop out of

the opposition will start to coalesce a the round one person and trump may still do very well that he's not going to go up much further than he is right now. >> host: let me pick up on that point as something you said earlier that this group is the most numerous when you talk about the somewhat conservative voters you say that according to many states comprising of 35 to 40% of the national gop electorate adding while the number of the liberal and moderate significantly differ by state somewhat conservative voters are found in a similar proportion in any state. they are not very vocal that they but they form the bedrock base of the gop as a somewhat conservative voter. they tend to be a lot of donald trump supporters. >> guest: donald trump is doing well right now. what trump is doing is recasting the party in terms of the class rather than ideology. he does extremely well among people without any sort of a college education and he does

extremely poorly among people with postgraduate degrees. the conservative voter that is not a trump supporters right now split between ben carson and marco rubio on equal measures. at some point, those people will -- two of the candidates will drop out and most of the remaining somewhat conservatives will find a alternative. >> host: the guest is henry olson and the book is called the four phases of the republican party. we welcome the listeners and those on c-span radio and those watching on c-span television reminder we are dividing a little bit different. here's the number 748-8000. fewer self-described as a moderate republican command for all others, 748-8002. another new campaign spotted this from jeb bush campaign.

>> host: >> i wish that we could say yes lets the struggle he isis and let's let al-assad continue to destroy. we are finally now where we need to be. >> about mass shooting is being investigated as an act of terrorism. >> basis has claimed responsibility. this is an act of terror but so far president obama has been silent. >> america has had enough and keywords. the administration with no strategy or no intention to win. we can't withdraw from this threat thread or negotiate. we have but one choice. >> host: a different candidate but a similar theme, terrorism and homeland security issue. >> i think that all republican candidates realize how important it is for the voters right now. they are very few perhaps rand paul being the primary exception and will not take a very similar line but the battle is going to go to who can convince republican voters that they most

sincere in their fight and who is most capable. jeb bush is obviously somebody that cannot link immigration in the same way that ted cruz can because he has been more supportive of legal immigration and senator cruz and that's why you have you have the difference in the ads where they were talking about immigration and isis together whereas it's a question of leadership and international engagement. >> host: i thought of this when you said earlier, or the the ceiling's fluid because every time i hear the pundits a chump has hit the ceiling, he blows through it. >> guest: donald trump has a feeling somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 to 55%. he could win the nomination. there is certainly a long time to go before the votes are cast. the six weeks away from iowa in four years ago newt gingrich was leading the national polls and we know what happened there. donald trump is a pull the

rising figure. his supporters love him, and his supporters particularly the people who started with him when he was a 20% in the polls nationally now is over 30% will interpret everything in the candidates paper. the fact is donald trump leads the poll of people who will never vote for him as equally as he leads the poll of the people that will vote for him he's the single most overrated figure in the republican party today. and it is well short of a super majority. >> host: and another to the earlier point there is a huge focus off of difference between that corporatists that lead the gop and the average conservative leaning voter. >> guest: well, the person that is the movement conservative tends to see the world that way. but the data shows that they are media for the republican party. the people who are in the middle of the republican party are somewhat conservative. the person who doesn't see the party being dominated by

corporatists that share the conservative values, that is the sweet spot of every candidate that wants to win the nomination needs to get and the person who can get there is going to be the nominee. it's to persuade a conservative too persuaded the conservative who may share the policies that not the attitudes. >> host: and one more from edwin who says i'm a conservative leaning independent. but i see no one worth my vote in either party. >> guest: i think you see a lot of people who are just becoming disgusted with the two-party politics. you are seeing that in europe for third, fourth, fifth parties precisely they are giving up hope on the two major parties in different countries, and i think that gentle man's thought is very much along the same lines

but both parties, but you leads, academic elites don't understand and don't care about the average person and that consequentially they are looking for somebody new and they are waiting for somebody. >> host: the four phases of the republican party. steve is joining us from outside of buffalo new york. good morning. >> caller: i have an analogy that i would like to throw out for you. the 64 campaign. william, george, they all tried to stop and go of it now at the as the conventions into the caucus is mainly and as the established candidates they failed. i think when mitt romney was leading the polls at the end of the year they said no, no, we want to go somewhere else. - bush o

.. trump wants to win, if he has ted cruz as his running mate, i think that breaks the maverick dynamic. the primary election in 1964 is a great analogy. the one thing i would caution is that goldwater one very few primaries. he was a write-in candidate in new hampshire. he lost to oregon. he won in california but that is a time when divorce was popular. secondson rockefeller's wife happen to give birth to his second child in the primary. and that pushed goldwater over the top. i think we have a very fluid situation in the republican party. ted cruzpoint, the non- and non-donald trump candidates will start to drop out.

marco rubio or chris christie if bush can come back. and then you will see an interesting three-person race. and that will break down along ideological lines. is henry olsen. he is a graduate of claremont mckenna . >> host: senior fellow from the public policy center a a a graduate of claremont. end up with the new book the fight for the 2016 presidential nomination.jour this from "the wall street journal" today on how states grow and florida growing faster than california or north carolinaat or southes carolina or georgia at the expense of the industrial states like pennsylvania and ohio losing population the next caller

you call yourself a conservativeare republican? m n. the republican party has left the black people out of the equation. --s man just said that he demographics don't matter to him. all he wants is white folks votes. and we know the reason the republican party is diminishing democratics -- demographics matter. guest: what i was trying to say is that the swing voter is someone who is downscale economically. african-americans matter a lot. they are equal citizens. the same as white people and hispanic people and asian people.

african-americans have not shown themselves to be terribly for conservative republican candidates and that is one reason why, despite the desires of the republican party, imo focus -- they may focus on other voters. it is easier to get voters who are swinging between the two parties as opposed to african-americans who tend to present-95 percent democratic when they are faced with a typical republican conservative. host: this washington post photograph of donald trump in michigan, and one of our regular isers has this question, donald trump in danger of losing the nomination? guest: i think if there were a donald trumption, would certainly lose it. because the establishment of the do not want to see donald

trump be the nominee. so if he walks in without the minority -- without the majority , i think you could see them making another contender and nominee. i doubt you will see an old-fashioned brokered convention. i could imagine that if donald trump walked in with 40% of the delegates, they could elect one of the other ones. in order to deny him the nomination. a survey of experts is the subject of today's front page story. look at the headlines. and ted cruz lead. morning, why do you think it is that the leading of the birther movement in 2008 has said nothing about the fact that

ted cruz was born in canada and is constitutionally ineligible to be president? guest: there seems to be some form of nonaggression pact between a ted cruz and donald trump. i think because ted cruz was born to american citizens, there is a question about whether he was an american citizen by birth even though he was out of the country. but there does seem to be a nonaggression pact between the two of them. the weekend before the last to debate -- before the last debate, donald trump started to attack him but then when he had the opportunity during the debate, he said that ted cruz is a wonderful guy. they seem to recognize that there is a huge background in their supporters and that has one gains, the other might lose. for right now, it is in both of their interests to not attack. host: henry olsen, from your

book and from the piece you mentioned earlier, you wrote the following. you said that donald trump is the latest manifestation of a global trend. guest: across the world, what we borns people who are need in sweden and germany and france and who areerlands downscale it, people who don't callate from what we college, but working-class voters are angry. protest voting for candidates who are opposed to refugee status, who are suspicious of globalization and you have fiscal policies that fall between the left and the right. donald trump is striking exactly the same themes with the exact same emphasis and he is getting same support as these parties overseas. that you went on to say suggest the appeal of

anti-immigration policies to working-class voters is much deeper than american elites want to believe. we now have linda from new york. she is on the line for moderate republicans. caller: good morning. if i can get out what i'm going to try to say here. first, i think on ultram should crawl back under the rock. trump shouldnald crawl back under a rock. and isn't ted cruz and immigrant? marco rubio has trying to fix the problem. he has the courage of his convictions. he wasn't for immigration before he was against immigration. i think the whole country is going nuts. inc. you. host: thank you for the call. allen called ted cruz the

pride of calgary. he was born in calgary. his parents were american. and once again, this is the third or fourth caller on him, is he eligible to run for president? that is a question that constitutional scholars will have to ask. i am not a constitutional lawyer. i know that in 2008, john mccain, who was born in the canal zone was deemed eligible to run. even though he was born outside of the continental american states. was in thes father active military. both of ted cruz's parents were not in the military, they were in calgary for work. and ted cruz had to renounce his canadian citizenship. in thee he comes up

seriousness of conversation, the more you will see people looking at that and asking, is he eligible? it certainly was an issue in 2007-2000 84 barack obama -- 2008 four barack obama even though he has shown his birth certificate. guest: exactly. who, ifcruz is somebody being born outside of the united states is viewed as not being born a natural citizen, he would be in eligible to run. but that is a question for constitutional lawyers. host: judy, good morning. virginia on the line for conservative republicans. caller: good morning. i call myself a conservative republican because i am catholic and very pro-life.

huge block ofa voters and we are a peculiar people. because the catholic church preaches the social gospel. retain alike to also safety net for the poor. so we are not classes -- not classic conservatives. i watched her excellent presentation on saturday morning , lindsey graham, the last political race. what a shame he is out of the race. he has experience, he is a policy maker. -- look at john kasich. he also has many years of experience. in the topee people who have never held political office.

for all of them who are accusing and playing to people who didn't graduate from high school, carly fiorina stands head and shoulders above everyone. she is passionately and truly against abortion. to dig a hole and airy planned parenthood in it. but of course, she has no experience. host: thank you for the call. you mention carly fiorina, let me show you one of the most recent ads that she has put out. let us stand together and do our duty and we shall not fail. >> our government has become incompetent, unresponsive, corrupts. that ineptitude and lack of

ability is dangerous. talking tough is not the same as being strong. and to wage war we need a commander-in-chief who has made tough calls in tough times. margaret thatcher went said that she was not content to manage the decline of a great nation. neither am i. clintono beat hillary to keep our nation safe. if you join me, we will take our country back. in the polls earlier in the fall -- but as we move into winter she remains in the low-mid-single digits nationally and probably in the low teens in new hampshire. is an carly fiorina attractive candidate. she is someone who displays leadership and conservative values. that is one of the reasons why our last caller is attracted to

her. i suspect that if she does not nomination, she would be a republican nominee for the 2018 virginia senate seat against senator tim kaine. i suspect our caller from danville will have a chance to be enthusiastic about her. host: we love our >> host: we love our viewers. and cruz's father was not born please make that correction. talking about his dad who emigrated from cuba. and living in texas before iana senator cruz bother in 1970 to. was he was an immigrant not native-born so that he would have borne touche to american citizens.

>> from prospect kentucky steven is next with the author of the book the four faces of the republican party. >>translator:. >> caller: i was listening to this this morning and i think the republican party since 2012 has gotten worse. they tend that they don't seem to be a the party that they preach responsibility but they don't take the time to look at positive strengths to eradicate the dash. if they are running around in circles i think the teapartier is one of the worst movements i think they have made them mockery not only the party but the

judicial system. for instance when the same-sex marriage thing was going on i happen to be bisexual myself i am a white male and i am scared to death because all i wanted, like many people we want equal rights. >> a lot of people share your views better either there are supporters of the two-party or same-sex marriage and in american politics to have these discussions in the open rather than behind closed doors. >> one of the issues front and center in 2012 that continues to be the 11 or 12 or 30 million never hear it

came up with the senator ted cruz but here is senator rubio who came up with the plan the gang of eight and talked about it on the debate. >> i ask that repeated the i am personally open after 10 years of the probationary status i personally am open to allow for people to apply for a green card. but that is down the road you cannot even begin that process until you prove they will bring it under control you have to do it to prove that it is working that is more true today than it was then with the migratory crisis with minors and now you see that again now after the executive order the president has issued. [applause] >> courtesy of cnn how is that playing out?

>> the point he wants to make a major issue to senator rubio also donald trump's major selling points that a very large of the percentage of the republican party but like to send the illegal people back to their country of origin. poll suggests there is a majority of the republican party who shares his views that ought not to be the case to be here legally or have the green card and to determine if he emerges as a serious spinal candidate. >> host: here was senator cruz last friday we caught up with him and outside of richmond virginia. >> i oppose amnesty. marco rubio supports amnesty. and he of support

citizenship by oppose legalization marco rubio supportsçó legalization. i oppose and led the fight to defeat dead gang of eight in marco rubio author the unsuccessful fight to pass. if you go back to 2010 when he was running for senate he promised the men and women of florida if you elect me i will lead the fight against amnesty. that is what he told floridians. he told the men and women of texas the exact same thing if you vote for me i will be the fight in 2013 it time for choosing everyone had to choose which side of the line they stood on. senator rubio unfortunately made the decision not to honor the promises he made instead he decided to stand with chuck schumer and brought obama into every clinton and the big money in

washington into the the fight and i made a different decision to stand with jeff sessions and the american people against amnesty to defeat the amnesty bill. >> host: is conference in richmond, virginia and we will get back to your phone calls the jersey the line for conservative republicans >> caller: good morning. i have a question for your guest. i am a conservative republican and working-class. the fame is people who support trompe and they do support him but people primarily with the economic issue with the feel in some

cases the establishment party has left them with the previous candidates. somebody like we will never support mitt romney or john mccain they will stay home instead of boat. so regardless of who wins the election, do you think the establishment has been keyed into the anchor of the working class voter in the party? caller: no. they have not and with those five stages of grief one of the early ones is denial that is the reaction to the approach on immigration is denial. eventually the establishment republican party will have to come to grips with this.

it is the anchor of working-class and dependents or democrats. if you do not have a college degree in this country you will see the end, stagnate or decline. it is fueling anger among working-class voters that is the same phenomenon as overseas and leaders sanders leads across the world need to come to grips with the idea that everyone is a citizen regardless of educational background and the government needs to take the people who are suffering that is the working class anger otherwise they will continue to lose the presidency. >> host: this morning inside the opinion page that

other candidates should support lindsay gramm by getting out of the race as an alternative although he has not endorsed another candidate yet although they say they get it and they appreciate it from "the washington post". virginia good morning. >> caller: good morning. happy holidays. i appreciate the format that c-span provides. so what about the visit of rhetoric as they begin to the other candidates as they emerge as the candidate? how does this hurt the republican brandt? >> and it hurts the party

generally as they distinguish between trump or the party that they may be open to voting for or that is a question that is associated with trump's viewpoint. people are distinguishing between the two if he is the nominee it is harder to do that that is for the republican political establishment to suggest the independents and republicans will vote for hillary clinton if trump is the nominee but right now it is not an issue. >> drilling down to the rand paul campaign. that rand paul can capture

and it has been surprising to me i think rand paul has been finding his voice to the rise of the importance of national security but then he has gone back to the last couple of debates to speak his voice with dashes voice that is not the talking points but his rise in the polls but he doesn't have that emotional connection that ron paul tells people learning of his differences and they are looking elsewhere. >> host: libertarian followers are flocking to trumpet. cleveland tennessee.

good morning. >> caller: have you sent your wish list to santa claus to get rid of donald trump? what is happening with the republican party they need to divorce themselves from the chamber of commerce. we know exactly what is building on. i think the people are speaking exactly how they feel. >> clearly a lot of people

share your anger in in your belief with the republican party. and those who may not share those beliefs clearly the vibrancy of the messages and of the rhetoric attracted people who share your belief. and it ends up producing a the nominee for those that are as angry as you. >> host: do you think other candidates will drop out before iowa or new hampshire? caller: i am surprised they have not dropped out so far. those that might be of the lindsay grammar variety but they think those will wait

until one of those too early states like mike huckabee lose his eye was i will be shocked if he stays. carly fiorina pass to do well in new hampshire but then most will drop out. >> host: and author of the four faces of the republican party. >> host: thank you for joining us. caller: merry christmas

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