happy to take credit for floating the trial balloon. they seem more hesitant about it being out they're this time. i am not sure what went on with that, but it is more last time they wanted out there, this time they seem to be not sure it is great for them that a got out at least now.

iowa is in seven days and it is a tighta tight race. the people who signed off on same bernie will win. and donald trump is still in the lead as the front runner in iowa. everyoneiowa. everyone thought the summer of trump was going to end. why now is because the field is crazy. we are all looking at this and say anything is possible why not? >> how bloomberg covers bloomberg. now back running his media empire. where does this put people who have become the face of bloomberg politics as they analyze and talk about the potential of bloomberg running for president? >> that is a good question. it has been that question for reporters working at that out for a while.

there was a bloomberg reporter covering in the entire time he was there. it is often awkward thing. i don't think it is a situation in a journalist wants to be in. my colleague had a group about how there was a memo put out saying everything has to go through substandard. and she had a quote saying we have a holding story that should cover and any eventuality which is confident there will be no need for bloomberg iran. it seems like the message for the media side of his operation is we are going to play -- this is part of what i am talking about. the media side seems to be downplaying that this is going to happen.

they have one story saying no need. the reporters are not being unleashed. >> contributed to democratic campaigns and ran 1st for mayor as a republican and now thinking of a possible independent bid for the white house. joining us from new york city, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> the countdown is on. we are really the only place where you can watch these events unfold as they happen. whether it is a campaign rally, house party, townhall, townhall meeting, covering a policy speech, no one else will give you that unfiltered look as they work the crowd and talk to voters and make their best sales pitch. we will be crisscrossing, covering all of the

candidates, democrat and republican and keep an eye on what happens on caucus night because we will be the only network that will take you to the republican and democratic caucus. if you ever wondered how it all happens, watch c-span. >> next, as part of the new yorker magazine's 90th anniversary a discussion with correspondence to cover china. >> good evening. tonight is a sellout. it is great to have you here for a fabulous evening.

this evening the new yorker on china, look back at four decades of reporting on china is a very special night and also a convergence of two anniversaries. the new yorker is celebrating his 90th. one of the 1st to have access to china after the revolution, and of our five distinguished guest panelists, one who is not a guest i will talk about in a moment, they have collectively over 100 years of observation in writing on china and i think you will find this very enlightening and no doubt entertaining. centering on us china relations, the director and founding director. hello. yes.

and i have learned recently the 1st contribution was in the70s when the new yorker produced five consecutive issues on china. solely devoted, quite a thing the 70s. and i have also learned orval was so delighted with his 1st paycheck that he went and bought tractor for his ranch in california and says this is following directives to head to the countryside. very good. sixtieth anniversary since the founding by john d rockefeller the 3rd. as part of that i've been up to the archives and quantico and became curious about why question and that route took

me back to 1863 or 64 when the original john d rockefeller sent half his monthly salary as a store clerk which was all about $24 a month. from that you see a family's interest in and devotion to the development of china including the founding of the china medical board in 1914 was just celebrated its hundredth anniversary and the world needed a center to focus on us asia relations and his headis said -- in his mind if it was great trouble in the future it would come between the west and the east. so two important landmarks.

china file is an online magazine started about three years ago, amazing team of people and we had done a series of these. theythey brought in a generation new york times reporters in china, seven correspondence the "wall street journal" and financial times and now the new yorker. continued running with the new yorker. i will say we have an online audience. they can join the conversation you will be

getting an ipad with those questions. welcome. [applause] >> i am indeed and i need to caution you that if this were a panel on the middle east or russia i would be swimming at home.

forgive my naïve questions. there are questions that are editor questions, the things i want to know from writers were as in the case of the personalities 1st chinese-american institutions right down the street. even more frequently. cannot be a more distinguished group. fry legally about current events and conveyed she has nothing alike are homeland. and she has published an absolute terrific piece

staff writer for the chicago tribune and i stole them in 2,008. neoconservatism in china for why they studied english as

well as profiles how influential people. the president of china particularly when you don't have access to the subject. last year he published a book called age of ambition which one area where the sun. sentenced the teaching of english teachers college in a small city in the southwest. that became the subject of his astonishing 1st book rivertown. so draining think of for the new yorker. he wrote a trilogy of books

about the country and the other two are oracle bones and country driving. i don't know how she does this, unbelievably fluidly and elegantly in both languages. transforming a country they

grand old man of china ready for the new yorker. he is a pioneer in the writing of china served as the dean of the university, scholar, writer, producer and teacher develop to start with. distillate groundwork not that the whole world is like reporters others who have

been trying to make sense it became something of a tremendous lower precisely because of this refusal to accept us. so when i finallyi finally got there there was something of a moment of hedge era, trip to the sort of holy land if you will but i have to say that once there i was pretty perplexed because i spoke chinese. a little chinese. i thought i have a rudimentary understanding.

yet when confronted is a foreigner there is a profound and just ability. no one felt comfortable having an informal conversation much less inviting in the house let's us in writing any kind of unauthorized interaction. it was very much -- and i was on a youth work brigade working in a model agricultural commune and then an electrical machinery factory in shanghai, and it was stylized, ritualized, and perplexing leaving me wondering what to make of this place. >> next week i am going to israel and palestine to do a story.a story. when i arrive at the hotel by phone starts ringing. not that i am a lower, but

this is the style. it is a democracy with all kinds of problems. palestinians have all kinds of things to say, but it is very easy. if you cannot find a story there you should go do something else. >> you are on a work brigade. in other words you are not there to write about politics. you are there to do what? how are you beginning to see a story?

invented itself as what he wanted you to see and what the stagecraft was all about. >> and when you look back, a giant literature that you no doubt avail yourself of the chinese writers and western writers, what did you get right, what was off? >> one thing i have to say, being there while mao was

still alive in the cultural revolution was still going, there was not a single scintilla of evidence. so you look at it and can't see fracture points. you can see the contradictions. and i think it was difficult , the part that was hard to get right was over the internal forces that would ultimately drive this country the way it would go. it was a profound lesson for me because it suggested that china does often undergo tectonic changes. >> you grew up they're obviously. tell us a little bit about how you 1st decide to write about this place that

you know through a very different angle of vision. i think you wanted. >> okay. actually, telling a story about his 1st encounter with china was reminiscing about my 1st encounter with america because a decade later in the early 1980s i came to the states as a student and ended up in south carolina in columbia, state capitol. when i arrived i felt it was nothing like i expected. out in the boonies. i was just a student and scholarship. i was shown on campus by the champion of the english department testifying, this

is really someone fromfor red china. the 1st american friend i made was apologizing to me. that he actually asked me things, is your delicacy something like press hop tipton chocolate sauce? that was all he could think of. and there is very little contact between the two countries. when my classmates in beijing call me a year later because you really didn't have any money to write or call a semi- classmates in china would be saying so, you are in a collegial of america. >> they got that right. >> this mutual kind of ignorance or suspicion or misconception.

>> if i can enter up. you are picking up the new york times in the 80s and maybe the new yorker or wherever and are reading about china and english, didn't resemble reality in any way? >> in the 80s, before my new yorker. >> we can forgive that. >> those have become and so ii went back to china and came back again. it was such an icon in china. it was literally a mess. it was when i 1st publishedi 1st published by piece in the new yorker is people really thought this was the place that you could have both good writing

an in-depth kind of quirky takes on china and so it is viewed as a writer's magazine, and the fact that i decided to write in english of course was a long story, something to do with returning to the states again which was actually one of the 1st subjects of my 1st book, but the transition. so i think, you know, that was no, that was a confusing time in my generation of chinese sort of had this romantic idea about the states as an icon of free speech and all of that. >> and it may disappoint you? i am not joking. >> this is kind of a sobering subject because i think since then the vision has changed a lot.

ii was watching the republican debate the other day. and i saw china bashing. >> it was inevitable. inevitable. can i just say i'm sorry? i wake up and turned my wife and say i apologize. for the republican debate i apologize. >> really it has not come out of nowhere. ifnowhere. if you look at us reporting over the last 15 years a decade there are basically two kinds of china bashing going on regularly for one is this image of china has this ominous giant that has been playing unfairly with us and is eating our lunch, stealing our jobs and is going to crush us. the other is this paper tiger on the verge of imminent collapse. you have people always been

a short on china, but the reality is somewhere in between her most chinese i no sit because people are proud of chinese achievement but also unfortunately i think america now is also worried. looking at china from outside most americans tend to see strength and see this unstoppable march. there is a recent piece this is more than 50% of america sees china, not america is the number one superpower. that is amazing. when chinese hear about this they are taken aback. there is a joke, this is a western conspiracy. you give praise to the skies and you are stupidly and you fall but most just think that is because americans just don't like us and are

trying to push us back and contain us, but theus, but the danger is this a perception that is mutually reinforcing. so you know, in fact, that is where some of these new yorker balance and more subtle journalism of china to a lot of good. >> you came to china and not the usual way. you are not sent. you came as a peacea peace corps volunteer and are very much interested in writing. they are both students of john mcphee. i think you are interested in writing from the get-go. but you did not land in beijing or shanghai. you started from a different place. i would love to know what restrictions if any you felt when you clearly spoken

chinese. that is seem impenetrable to you or at times so changed that you could dig in and aa human way it was difficult 15 or 20 years before? >> because i arrived ini arrived in the peace corps i did not see myself as a writer. i had an interest in writing, but i majored in fiction. i was still thinking of becoming a fiction writer. the 1st semester i was writing a short story story trying to engage with the place. it felt -- it did not feel impenetrable. it just felt difficult. the main difficulty was language. none of us in the peace corps had any. and quite a few of us -- >> i hear it is an easy language. >> if your in a town in a couple hundreda couple hundred thousand and there is only one other foreigner. there is no internet, cell phones, could not travel. >> in other words you are

studying the language. >> life was miserable otherwise. it was hard. people laugh at you. it would be a crowd of 20 watching you call which is entertaining for a little while. it was really hard, especially for six months. i was not thinking of myself as a writer. i was a teacher. one of the 1st things i saw was the way that the us looks to my students were all from rural session one, good, good students, pretty hard to get into college in those days. and we had textbooks that we were supposed to teach from, the culture of america, the most ridiculous thing because they have a section on college life in america, all these things like 15 students raped at the university of south carolina and students were robbed at

the university of southern california, just all over the place random facts. and then a big section on homosexuality and how capitalism causes homosexuality. gay people actually have a lot of money. [laughter] but it was really hard to teach from the stuff. and people in town were be like, a farmer woulda farmer would say i hear in america they use airplanes to farm. >> they do. >> somewhat. all of these were actually true things. theythings. they all had crazy english names like daisy. turned out to be the prototype for kanye west.

that is a true fact. why do you know that. your name is daisy. that you know this thing.thing. a lot of people probably don't even know in this room. it was frustrating. because it was kind of personal. just being the only foreigner. when it came time to writing about china ifelt conscious of not doing the same thing in the opposite direction. people need context. not the most extreme stories which is what that book had done. >> what is bad? what are you fighting against? >> how much time do we have? >> plenty. it is rainy and cold outside.

>> i just think that it is the extremes. it is my students, either america is aa place of constant crime or everyone is rich. i just think -- >> is that influenced? >> it is influenced by a tradition. the way you write about your local community.community. for a coverage follows the same pattern as local coverage. you can't just write about average life. you can do some, butsome, but that is not what you are supposed to do. you have to find the extremes and the things that are messed up. it is inappropriate point of coverage, but the problem is that tradition is deeply entrenched in american journalism and foreign correspondents arrive in other countries and do the

same kind of thing, find the most extreme cases. if there is no context it just kind of confuses americans and does not end up fixing the problem anyway. everyone would agree with. >> when you are reading stuff what are your frustrations with that? >> i guess that often it seems overly political.

writers are different. when you land in china, what the restrictions are, what your approaches. >> i was thinking as pete was describing the experience, i have the experience as a correspondent for the chicago tribune based in new york. for a couple of years i wrote stories about they are proud people. they had hadpeople. they had taken me and is one of their own. the food is exquisite. and that is a useful function. i found there is that danger decentralizing people to one

element. i should say i was informed. i have been shaped as a writer i had read the book. all of the stuff was in the ether. by the time i got there there was a literature that did not exist. though his beneficiary. the idea was a little different. it was brief but it was unpleasant. the idea that china was not changing, everything have flipped on his head. china was constantly changing and moving in this inexorable direction.

we had this outline our minds that is probably going to be similars. >> was that a mistake? >> it was. and certainly i came to assume china would move down this path where every year ever give more open and there would be stupid step back into moving in that direction and fundamentally this is a slightly different conversation but that is probably still true. we need to talk more seriously. >> this is not a historical moment in time.

>> the moment they gave the united states this is that everything was moving. americanism, universal americanism. >> written to be taxed on the subject. >> i think they are very western. it is a galeon iced that history is moving in that direction toward openness and freedom. what is so interesting now, maybe that is at least for the moment called and question, a different direction to move in a different goal.

>> you left china when you were young. you lived inside. you read chinese newspapers. you have been a researcher in fact checker for both of these guys and started writing for us and i would imaginei would imagine they will become a time when you might write for china. how do you call where do you think should be the next step? how do you look at it in a future oriented -- what is missing? >> i think the question that you pose earlier for me when i was able to read the new york times' felt like saying

an extra china. what i have my have of the flesh and things seem very accurate. i felt my question reporters must've done a conscientious job in the early mid 90s. that sense of intimacy that i felt and in myself i think the warring allegiances, keep inand exceptionally slow as an english learner, very much, no one could truly the child's sense of stubbornness no one should

the way i do. and i spent the past two decades trying to reconcile that visceral sense of loyalty to this country and that feeling. >> it is a profound difficulty that in the immigrant has. >> defending western perceptions of china to my chinese friends and feeling like i am in everyone's bad books. >> implicated somehow.

>> getting to view my daughter story. >> how does that influence your writing? >> that can be a very fruitful kind of tensions the you wrestle with, but things. they used to describe my trips to beijing which is my hometown. beijing seemed to become a skin rash for me. every time i return i feel this horrible itch to scratch it because everything is irritating. i get into this wild swing and pick a fight with my parents and friends. they all seem to don't understand america, and i

was very consciously not slip in doing the english phrase because then ii would be charged -- >> be giving yourself away to have that dual loyalty issue all the time. ultimately that insider outsider position intention has certain great advantages for writing. ran away and go ?-question-mark. >> talk about the subject of being wrong. anxiety of being wrong.

edgar snow famously during the famine caps on the start people in china. i was recently in china on a reporting trip to the middle east and talking about a diplomat have been ambassador. we knew about this affection and unemployment. we did not see this coming anyway. daniel patrick moynihan that the cia should be closed. in this diplomat was saying one of the problems is that we are hunkered down, restricted in certain ways but also the netflix phenomenon. we bring ourwe bring our western culture with us and have our comforts, this

would not have been the life of harrison salisbury for the chinese did. what are we missing now? we are thinking about china what are we missing and why? you should be our anxiety? >> you know, i think we miss so many things. the longer i try to parse through china the more the history makes an enormous difference in the whole chinese historical experience keeps acting out a rather simpleminded version of history, and

china does not do a great job of understandingthe history because they are quite frightened. >> chinese history. >> it is pretty devastating. be that as it may keeps expressing itself. >> what are the no-fly zones? >> you mentioned the famine. the whole chinese communist party history is so fraught with problems and failures that to do an honest assessment of the devastating. that is all part of what is in the being of chinese. >> what are we missing? to folks on beijing. in this a lot.

>> they all live in beijing. they have to. >> it makes life harder. i did a project and became part of my last book, judge on province to factory town and i went there. it was more more than a hundred days on the ground. and it is hard to find that kind of time. i was doing a piece on it working on my book. i kind of justified. the newspaper person can do that. for me personally the thing i like to do is find a place

in this your 1st i think sometimes a lot about methodology which i think journalism has become, guilt for fertility us started. and you have to be delivered in your research structure. you are covering an event that is what you are going to do. >> police are alerts. in thatin that town i went to never got hassled by the police. a been going to a place in upper egypt nothing is been going on. >> sometimes you go to a

place that may be representative. and then there are things going on. ion. i witnessed the tax official shaking down entrepreneurs. that is interesting. there's lots of stuff you could witness. >> in my extensive research is saying that the conversation is down to the push and pull of the following, the fact that the beijing government and the entire power structure is willy-nilly a tremendous cost lifted 500 million people out of poverty versus

all the ugly features this into a constant discussion. i assume this is a dynamic that goes on all the time. is there such a thing isa thing is a happy medium? how do you judge your own performance in terms of what you are feeling and now you are balancing the picture of what is happening when it is so vast and complicated and populous. >> the problem, the hardest problem is figuring out the proportions of the portrait because any portrait has a certain composition of light and dark and depending on where you focus your attention find a store that is uplifting.

you can shift your attention 20° and get a completely different story that is a concern and the struggle which will ring hollow, when you are trying to squeeze it in theinto 10,000 words in your editors are telling you i can't convey the complexity. and. and, i mean, that it is a constant struggle. i'll give you one example of the way in which i think we may miss something these days. we already since we are moving in the american narrative of china and the

political narrative that china is becoming more nationalistic there will be a protest people come into the streets and say down with japan down with the united states or something. and the truth is as you discover, go and find the people who were the principal ideologists and hang out with them and one of the things you discover is that they are incredibly happy that you call. they spend aspend a lot of time with these guys and we discover was very often i can hold two thoughts thousand and head of the same time. they can be absolutely

enraged and have genuine respect for elements of american life and coexist. six months later is so what so what is going on. well, i am in germany. starting a company and so on. as we anticipate that there will be this underlying momentum to try to create china has an enemy when you scratch you discover you don't have to scratch for the final of thefind that the individual participants have much more interested in complicated feelings. >> i was thinking as people were doing a form of self-criticism just now that somehow america missed out

and that is really a lot of chinese feel that way. a lot of people are shocked in china but he certainly aggressive moves of the moment. we ought to be careful not to fall back to this kind of old battery totally different animals. this is a mirror image. not that different. >> that is derived from the portrait. >> let me just say this again.

>> blamed for not being enough, being too weak. soft on muslims. spreading democracy is a utopian project which is troubling to me because all are is a sobering lesson

china asis a different story and it would be overkill. continue to see china as having lots of overlapping on similar aspirations economically and politically. important to keep on paying attention supporting those individuals who are marginalized. but they are actually still enjoying the support sometimes silent, sometimes not so silent. >> this is a constant argument. somehow the dissidents get too much attention that if

you did a readout of numbers the new york times is way too much on the near chinese dissident. how do you feel? >> i think -- i mean, i definitely see his point about focusing on a place and perhaps social issues that exist outside of the political hotspot. i think that a lot of times there is so much -- they are so, you know, -- there is still a sense that china is a bit of an unknown quantity. in china exists as the other , and a phenomenon that happens becomes, zero, that

is so chinese. that is just so specifically chinese rather than contextualizing it the social and economic terms and seeing that this is just an outgrowth. but those impulses are universal. >> the problem. >> i guess i was somebody who did not write the one i talked about looking at specific places where they are basically three places that i focused on. for was a small village of beijing and it was a factory time. i did see the same dynamic in each place.

that was the case with my students. whatread all the stuff. but the basket, the class monitor, sharp kid, and then there was a group of smart kids who did not want to do that and went off in a different direction. the people who ended up actively resisting with the ones who ran out of options are connections. and this was a striking pattern. one was a 96 to 98. another was in a factory town. it is not necessarily an uplifting story, but this makes sense.

the talent is either recruited and co-opted for finding other outlets, and the people that are mode -- most likely to resist are somewhat desperate. ever showing me all these documents in making a case in a clumsy way and then they were like wait a minute. you write for foreign magazine. this is -- we are selling the country out. we can do this. they totally flipped out. high-end of having determined pages of the notebook and give it to them. if you want me to write a novel. ..

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>> in the '70s, with the cultural revolution i think it came back. you have to look at china as a play with the different acts and you have a very different persona is and that china changes it is a different aspect. and in the '80s it was incredible. people were publishing translations of philosophy or political structures but at that point it caved back with a vengeance. there were a couple of

publications that translated >> but the philosophers? >> tens of thousands. >> it was a best-seller. >> ended 1989. it was to become a little more open but you have to look at the decade ended period to know the interaction with foreign press. it is important to say what we have seen now is not the whole story. a deeply involved traditional chinese political philosophy.

this because the party doesn't want to hear about it. and how was that expressed in contemporary life? to re-read about and exchanged? >> and to hear it in private conversation. certainly not in television very utilitarian streak the knees to go where i will not get in trouble but most people will go. with politics and running for office, no.

>> one of the things that was described the wasn't as if there were bright lines there were a clear distinction as to become political and meet with his experience. ended period you were living there to be self politicized and all the sudden you can go online to have a voice. and you could identify to find people who agree door disagreed with you. the kids choose your values and express them there was a time when most people didn't care about politics.

because it was true actually. but the idea of concerning yourself with the abstract notion of values, of guy the last blood poster wrote was about a street sweeper and i met him i thought i understood his life. he wears the orange suit and a full think i have no culture or no education. but i am a poet and a moderate chinese poetry. and there he was. us figure with authority to have an identity to be

detached and then to be developing additional lives. >> what is it like to sit in york with chinese life and if you can describe those mechanisms to be sophisticated. but tell me. and what you can find out. >> i constantly suffer from the fear of missing out.

but it does feel like the urban metropolis but we don't quite know. but a law of times it is what i uninterested in. and the parameters of the conversation and what they are. but oftentimes it is not what i expect. whenever i talk to chinese friends with the distance to provide zero or what their significance is i notice defensiveness on their part.

that somehow they are better than the rest of us. so why ask them what concerns them oftentimes it is no different than what i see. so not all threats. but it is how they see that book and the vision of china >> and with the creative

energy him with 70,000 silos making all kinds of trees is in all directions. because it irritates space there but to have the itch with all the possibilities with the multiple life. >> would you not hearing? there is the ongoing intensifying for the

political commentary is still going on. with pseudo names and a law of them moved out of that phase and is more crowded and harder to track the then becomes more of a target and then they have for in these major portals but they're not just out in the open. many of them ask themselves as good citizens because they know that is too dangerous.

people and to show in some point if it isn't too risky that they also have a heart. but when they are accused of a coward with that cynical person who can hide so much it becomes a fake person. with them guilty conscience going on. without mass period he had no clue what that did happen majorly a few years later

with the of place so vast and complex it is evolving so we shouldn't have any conclusion at this point but that is another chapter. >> this is a slightly uncomfortable hinge on what we have to have questions from you. are their microphones somewhere? >> a happy volunteer right there. up there. you are next. i promise. [laughter] >> 84 the great presentation. >> can you hear me?

>> i wanted to hear the complement twice. [laughter] >> why did you leave why have you gone back to living in china? >> a personal question. [laughter] i did not have a chocolate -- a choice of was following my parents. i very much do want to go back but i still m figuring out a way to do that. >> why do i?

[laughter] >> actually i was born and raised in beijing and then returned to live in china but afterwards i moved back again and never since i have been going back and forth. currently i divide my year half and half between china and the u.s. >> thank you. i am curious about the trans pacific partnership that president obama says he wants to contain china economically to encourage

china to join with the dpp to have rules of international trade 70 plays by the same rules. >> it is interesting in your question when obama says that they're pretty emphatic about not using that kind of language but that is the impression among some in u.s.-china relationship that is the intent of the tpp. so frankly it was designed to enhance the american relationship with other countries so china was not one of the first. it is possible they could be a member in the future

people come to washington to say we recognize it isn't all that bad because united states had not signed a trade deal with the plenitude asia as a military exercise in all about security. this is a much broader relationship and we need to be there for all kinds of reasons. so china and a in the future >> my question is about right team. -- writing writing about china read was young and right now i am trying to

write about there but a law of cultural subtleties and i am trying to explain it but it is difficult. a sometimes western americans may not even care saudi make that relatable? >> is that the question? >> that is with the idea of the debate. [laughter] >> i don't know how to answer but knowing your subject is important if it is not a stranger to you then and it isn't so unfamiliar. but basically writing about

china is fundamentally the same as america. most of this year have written about other subjects every about colorado and cairo in egypt in their different places but fundamentally the same act that requires the same leg work so in that sense there is nothing special about china. maybe it is harder to penetrate but it is the same for what is necessary. >> we discuss covering china tonight but one of the many

changes i think is the wave of nonfiction and raking in china. and for that panelist tonight talking about a chinese writer in the non-fiction style and there is pieces. what makes a good writer? >> we will take a crack at that. >> it is true a law of magazines to be inspired by "the new yorker" i could think of to of the narrative where given enough time to make your case it is quite

astounding with five consecutive issues and they had the chance as described a 999 words but it is that challenge they are confronting is the controls what can be published easily. it is an immensely creative place in many ways because you want to be in public otherwise this is the tradition but nobody reads it. but that is the kind of rating than new yorker does you have to let them write.

>> there is an aberration for the technical experience of a writer friend said the one to talk about the process? so i figured sure. and i show up it was standing room only. they were in the aisles working journalist and i was genuinely moved by their interest and fact checking because it is more than a technical process it is really about a belief that you can ascertain the facts and you should fight hard to document. a law of reporters were working in chinese media and it was exotic.

>> i wrote about a chinese editor who wrote a piece in a chinese newspaper that says i was fact check by "the new yorker". [laughter] >> we have questions for brothers and sisters on the internet. how is it possible to be as good-looking as you are? [laughter] >> that is my wife. [laughter] >> is a necessary today for good china correspondent and what will they miss if they don't? >> even if you do have chinese language it is so

profound the boundless. because of history. >> pretend we are not here. is a really impossible to know the native chinese speakers? >> two points. i found having worked with both and then end pete better not native speakers is an advantage in essence because those sitter so scrupulous making sure they have everything right. i think of it is the native chinese journalist that i

know this terrain. thought i don't need to check to the 99th to agree but that is part of what i learned to because they are both so where did they go out of their way to make sure they got their eyes and across their teas. >> too bad experience the to have experience with the former cultural minister looking at those pages she

was checking line by long - - line by line with red ink now we have this experience. [laughter] also with red ink but even some who was a very high-profile writer was a little shocked to get this phone call from china all the way to new york and that is a message for a law of chinese journalist. when non-fiction started it wasn't even called nonfiction if you read the journalist sitting on top of this subject to be very

opinionated and very subjective with regards for the facts so this was a totally different era of nonfiction writing in today's new yorkers is leading a magazine to show how the important fact checking is. that will be very hard. >> this is the season this is the best way to get traffic but not long ago i read i read from chinese history and kissinger's book on china. but the most important person is henry kissinger.

[laughter] that may or may not be accurate. [laughter] so i want a recommendation for each of you that i can read in translation is not by one of the distinguished panelists. >> there is a history book of no significance was in the year of no significance it is a great history books and as you can see there are things going on. and vice way to do we do

into perspective. >> it was a memorable. >> now this is turned into a quiz show. [laughter] almost like a taxi driver before the present one. with 1500 years of chinese history. and was a young bride sold into prostitution. infection informant was

great in chinese history. >> with a historian and diplomat the title of the book is a mobile empire is about this moment when the british passenger ship in ambassador and then presents the latest but it fails in one of the speaking points but then the chinese had to explain it to them. there is a phone problem.

[laughter] full of colorful and revealing items because the sailors saw a law. so it is a very revealing portrait of china in the critical point and it could re-read as a missed opportunity and it tells a law about chinese history. >> there is a book called deep china who is a psychiatrist and has a book of essays by chinese students to have gone on to be anthropologist in amazing scholars at one time or another.

they have this rigor that they come out to with their chinese sensibility said the things they have chosen to write about is how china went from a society to be buying in seoul to a society where they choose to donate those are things you would never notice but they are profound. deep china is the name of the book i think it is terrific. one in a london book and the author just passed away but a very insightful and quite dark accounts of china. who he loved most of all who

also is incompatible into deep dark to understand the great state of contradiction and it continues to exist in this great state and then to go at it in a similar way. >> that is extraordinary. thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

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