youth unemployment for high school kids, you know what it is, it is 51%. 51%. young african american child poverty is 35%. when we are living in a country with many of you who are going to college are going to leave school deeply in debt, is that the case? >> yes! >> we have to do something about that. not only do we have to make sure that young people are not so if i sophicated with public debt. we should be making colleges tuition free. [cheers and applause] >> we should be providing substantial help to historically black colleges and universities who are doing a great job educating young people.

[cheers and applause] so what this campaign is about is taking a hard look at national priorities. when we have 20 of the wealthiest people in this country owning more wealth than the bottom 50% of america, 150 million people, anybody here think that's right? >> no! >> you have republicans who want to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the taxes%. doesn't make sense to me. so this is what i think. i think first start that when we have a lot of people in this country working for 9 or $10 an hour, people think you can get by at 9 or 10 bucks an hour? >> no! >> you think we should raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour? [cheers and applause] >> let me say a word to the

ladies here. ladies. nationally women own 79 cents on the dollar compared to men, african-american women even less than that. who thinks that's right? guys, are you going to stand with the women and fight for pay equity for women workers? all right, you have some allies and you hold them to that. don't let them double cross you here. here is the story of unemployment. we have too much unemployment in this country, all right. we need to create millions of good-paying jobs. how are we going to do that? well, we are going to hire teachers, not fire teachers. [cheers and applause] >> i hope some of you will give thought to going into teaching because we need great teachers in this country.

[cheers and applause] >> all right. >> and others, i hope will give thought in going into child care work, we need well trained childcare workers so that the littlest children in this country get the start they need, all right. now let me tell you a story if i might. i was in flint, michigan just the other day. everybody here know what's going on in flint, michigan? you don't know what's going on in flint, michigan because it is worst than what you think it is. it is beyond belief worse than you think it is. when you hear what the people of flint are saying as i said, you would say wait a minute, what country am i living in, am i really living in the united states of america in the year

2016. just broke. there it is. my electrifying personality. [cheers and applause] >> all right. flint, michigan, i want you to imagine this for one minute. we talked to a mother, mother has i believe a nine-year-old child, nine-year-old child, a couple of years ago this kid was doing really well in school, outgoing, vibaciuos two years later because of lead poisoning that little girl's intellectual development has significantly diminished, right now as i understand it, she's in special education. can you imagine the mother watching this taking place to your own baby, your own kid and on and on it goes.

people are paying 150, $250 a month for water which is poisoning them. you have a school system which is totally inadequate, a healthcare system which is totally inadequate, this is taking place in the united states of america, now the reason i'm running for president is i am prepared to take on wall street -- [cheers and applause] >> to take on the big money interests who today are doing so much harm to our country. now let me give you an example. question, somebody give me an answer. somebody today in south carolina gets picked up for processing marijuana, what happens? they go to jail, you may get a what? question number two, you're a wall street executive whose

greed and illegal behavior helped destroy the american economy and cost millions of people their jobs, their homes and life savings, what happens to you? you get a salary increase is what happens to you. you don't get a jail record, and that speaks to a broken criminal justice system, you know what i mean by that? [cheers and applause] >> this is a broken criminal justice system when some kid gets a police record, what happens when you get a police record, it's kind of hard to go out and get a job, right? all right. so the kid gets a police record but the executive on wall street gets off free, by the way, after paying -- reaching a settlement with the government more $5 billion and when we talk about criminal justice what about the need for police department reform? [cheers and applause] >> what about that? >> all right.

absolutely. why do we have in america and help me out here, why do we have more people in jail than in any other country on earth? [laughter] >> well, we have more people in jail for a number of reasons but one of the reasons and by the way as you all know, people in jail disproportionally african american and latinos and native americans. we have overpolicing. let me give you an example about overpolicing. it turns out that whites and blacks smoke marijuana at about equal rates. that's the fact. blacks ar more than four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana than whites. okay. now you know what i think about marijuana, marijuana is today part of the federal controlled substance act. it's a federal crime.

it is listed right along side of heroin. does that make sense to people? >> no! >> all right. we are going to take -- we are going to take marijuana out of the federal controlled substance act so it is not -- it is not a federal crime. [cheers and applause] >> now states can make it legal or not but it should not be a federal crime. now, what we are also going to do is the following. is if somebody when they are being arrested is killed by a police officer or dies while they are in police custody in every instance we are going to have a federal department of justice investigation. [cheers and applause] >> and if a police officer, i'm a former mayor and i have worked hard with police officers and most police officers are honest

and hard-working guys, but if a police officer breaks the law, that police officer must be held accountable. [cheers and applause] >> second of all, we are going to demilitarize local police departments so they do not look like occupying armies. the function of a police department is to serve the people, not to be an force in the community. they are part of the community and not to opress people. we need more great people getting into law enforcement because we need police departments around this country to look like the diversity of the communities they are serving. [cheers and applause] >> we are going to do away with minimal sentencing.

a lot of people get sentenced for too long terms because judges don't have the flexibility they should have. fifth, we are going in this country and in my state all over america, we have a very serious problem with drugs, with opioids and with alcohol. what we have got to understand is that substance abuse is a health issue, not a criminal issue. [cheers and applause] >> in other words, people who are addicted and are trapped in drugs or alcohol need health care to get off of that addiction, not to be jailed. does that make sense to people? [applause] >> and when people are arrested and go to jail, one of the tragedies in this country is many of them when they leave

jail end up back in jail and they end up back in jail because they don't have the job training, they don't have the education that they need to go out and become part of civil society. so we have got to make sure -- i was in iowa, talked to a guy, spent time in jail, they said to him when he was released, he's a check for 75 bucks, good luck. well, he ended up back in jail. we have too many people going in that pipeline in and out. so we are going to make sure that people have the education and the jobs they need when they go back into society so they don't come back into jail. [cheers and applause] >> and by the way, when youth unemployment for high school kids, kids are white, 33%, latino 36%, african american 51%, now we have two choices u we could either build more jails

and arrest more people, that's one choice, i think that's a stupid choice or else we could put money into education and jobs. [cheers and applause] you know, it turns out that it costs less money to send a kid to the university of south carolina than it does to send them to jail, i would rather send them to the university of south carolina or any other college for that matter. [cheers and applause] >> all right. now, what goes on in this country is we have a corrupt campaign finance system. everybody know what i mean by that? what i mean by that is that you have one vote, which i hope you will exercise on saturday, tomorrow, you have one vote. but there are other people in this country they have one vote but you know what else they've got, they have hundreds of millions of dollars to try to bye elections. does that sound like democracy

to anybody in this country? that's ruled by the rich and the powerful. one of the reasons we have that is because of a disastrous supreme court decision on citizens united, together we are going to overturn citizens united, one person, one person. i want to tell you something else, now i know i date myself, i am old, i confess. thank you. well, you can love me. i'm lovable. [laughter] >> back in 1963, long time ago, i was there for the march on washington with dr. martin luther king, okay. [cheers and applause] >> and all of you know, everybody knows that what the struggle was about was for voting rights that everybody in america no matter what the color of your skin in america has the right to vote, 1965 president

johnson signed the voting rights act, a major breakthrough in this country, but a year ago there was a supreme court decision that undermine a lot of the voting right's act and now you have governors and legislatorses all over this country, you know what they are trying to do? they are trying to make it harder for people to vote for poor people, elderly people, people of color, i think that is cowardly, they are afraid of a free and fair election. they don't want people who might vote against them to participate in the political process. [cheers and applause] >> i believe if somebody that is running for office or governor, they don't have the guts to allow a free and fair election, they should have another job and get out of politics. [cheers and applause] >> i don't want to see people

waiting in line. you see those pictures, miami, florida, we know what that's about. so my view is if you're 18 year's of age in the united states of america and you're a citizen of this country, you have the right to vote, end of discussion. [cheers and applause] >> we are going to make it easier for people to vote, not harder for people to vote. now, one of the differences between secretary clinton and myself, and you'll have to make this evaluation and think it through, i do not have a super pac. i do not raise millions of dollars from wall street or powerful special interests. we have -- the way we raise our money is we are received 4 million individual contributions, 4 million, that's more than anybody in history at this point in a campaign.

you know what the average contribution is, $27. [cheers and applause] >> secretary clinton has a super pac, $15 million from wall street. i think that that's wrong. i want to touch on another issue. trade issue. very important. south carolina, devastated, corporations in this country, why do i want to pay a worker in south carolina, 15, 20 bucks an hour, i can shut down the plan and move toyota méxico or china, i want to bring my product back to this country. it's devastated the south and states all over the country. we have lost millions of decent-paying jobs. you know what i think, it's time for corporations to buy their products, to start manufacturing their products here in the united states of america.

[cheers and applause] >> now, another issue, and i know under this issue people may disagree with me but let me throw it out, everybody knows there are terrible crimes committed, some lunatic people go out and kill people, i want that person executed, let me tell you i am oppose to the death penalty. [cheers and applause] >> not everybody agrees with me. secretary clinton does not agree with me. all right, but i want to tell you i am oppose to it, number one u if you look at our history there are a lot of innocent people, often people of color who were executed and then we found out years later they were not guilty. number 2, we have so much ugliness and so much violence in

our society that i just don't think that the government should be involved in that violence and should be killing people. [cheers and applause] >> so what i think -- i know people disagree with me because we get angry, we want to kill them, we want vengeance, vengeance is not the answer. people do something terrible, lock them up, throw away the key. keep them behind bars, we don't want dangerous people out on the streets, but i do not believe that government should be involved in the taking of lives. [cheers and applause] >> last point that i want to make, last point i want to make, in politics which i know a little bit about it is very easy to get votes, it's very easy thing to do, right now on the republican side we are seeing donald trump telling that we are

all the people from méxico are rapists and criminals and drug dealers, all of you know it's nonsense. [cheers and applause] >> also we are suppose to keep muslims out of this country. that's what it's always about. we play out one group against the other. white against black, native against people who came into this country. we are not going to do. i want to talk to you about what happened in 1996, there was a bill called welfare reform bill and the thesis, idea behind it is people ripping off, the legislature was extreme poverty t poor of the poor, i'm talking about children who are hungry, extreme po poverty in this

country because of this legislation. i vigorously oppose the legislation, secretary hillary clinton supported that legislation. i want to thank you all for coming out and i know that a lot of your friends if you're young people they think you're crazy to go to a political event, am i correct. get a life. what are you doing wasting an afternoon going to bernie sanders, and by the way who recollects is bernie sanders anyhow, i understand that, but i want to say this very profounding, i worked in the united states senate, that's my job, i see what goes on there. now, if you don't want to leave school deeply in debt, if you want to get a job that pays you a living wage, if you're a woman and you want to earn equal pay

and if you're concerned about climate, if you're concerned about our criminal justice system, if you don't vote and your friends don't vote, who do you think is going to pay attention to those issues? do you think that billionaire billionaire-campaign contributors are going to be worried that women in south carolina are trying to raise their kids on 8 or 9 bucks an hour. do you think they're staying up all nights worrying about that? do you think they're worrying that we have a broken criminal justice system? they're not. the only people who are going to make the change, the history of america whether it is the workers' rights movement, the women's movement t gay right's movement, what is it about, it's people at the grassroots

standing up and demanding changes. always from the bottom on up, never from the top on down. [cheers and applause] >> when so few have so much and so many have so little that we are the only major country on earth that doesn't guaranty health care to all people, we don't have medical leave and we don't have a minimum wage which is a living wage, there is a lot of work to do, no president can do it alone. we need a political revolution. are you guys ready to join in that revolution? [cheers and applause] >> all right. that's what it's about. and if we don't allow trump to try to divide us up and if we

stand together we can do extraordinary things, think big of what this country can become, so i want to thank you all very much, welcome to the political revolution, make sure you vote tomorrow. thank you all very much. [cheers and applause]

>> thank you, bernie! ♪ ♪

[inaudible conversations] >> i love you, bernie. >> thank you. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] >> it's a video. [laughter] >> love you. [inaudible conversations] >> we already did. two weeks ago. >> i came all the way down to see you, may i take a picture?

[inaudible conversations] >> sanders, i'm from india. i've been following you all these years. >> thank you. [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> how are you? [inaudible conversations]

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[inaudible conversations] >> thank you, how old are you? >> i'm 18. i know i looks 2. [laughter] >> thank you very much. [inaudible conversations]

>> thank you very much. [inaudible conversations] >> yes, sir, thank you, thank you. thank you for all you do. >> there we go. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you. >> thanks a lot. did y'all enjoy it? >> can i get a picture?

[inaudible conversations] >> i already voted for you. >> thank you. >> take it easy. >> i love you, man. >> okay. >> how are you? thank you. >> i have it. >> okay. one at a time. it's an honor. thank you so much. >> we love you.

>> you okay. get in the picture. >> thank you. [inaudible conversations] >> what is your mother going to say? [laughter]

>> thank you so much. >> bernie, bernie! [inaudible conversations]

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>> tomorrow is election date in south carolina, let's exercise democracy, everybody, come out and vote. [inaudible conversations]

>> i'm taking it. >> god bless you. >> thank you. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you all -- you want one? [inaudible conversations] >> the polls in south carolina open tomorrow morning for the

democratic primary at 7:00 a.m. eastern. here are some campaign ads running in the state for both senator sanders and hillary clinton. >> our job is not to divide, our job is to bring people together. [cheers and applause] >> if we do not allow them to divide us up by race or sexual orientation, by not allowing us to divide us of whether or not we were born in america or whether or not we are immigrant, we stand together. white, blacks, hispanic, gave, straight, woman and man, when we stand together and demand that this country work for all of us rather than the few, we will transform america and that is what this campaign is about,

it's bringing people together. [cheers and applause] >> i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. >> i've known hillary clinton for 20 years and i'm supporting her for president, she's the smartest, hardest-working toughest most experienced person that i know, that's kind of what you need in a president. if you care about the things i do, making college affordable, expanding mental health care, then you need someone who can actually get the job done and that's hillary, i really hope you'll caucus for her on march first. >> i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. >> c-span campaign 2016 is taking you on the road to the white house and saturday south carolina democratic primary. our live coverage begins at 7:30 p.m. eastern with election results and speeches from the democratic candidates, hillary clinton and bernie sanders. also get your reaction through

your phone calls, please, join us saturday for live coverage on c-span, c-span radio and c-span.org. >> at nationaljournal.com t south carolina democratic primary cheat sheet as voters go to palmetto state. >> thanks for having me on. >> we saw what happened with the republican primary, what do we expect in terms of the democrats, turnout, hillary clinton and bernie sanders? >> hillary clinton enters saturday's democratic primary as the overwhelming favorite, most polls have her over bernie sanders and a lot of is due to the african american vote, black voters made up over half of the electorate and the people down in south carolina and black votes will make half of the

electorate again and she has a commanding lead, upwards of 50 points over bernie sanders. south carolina should be relatively easy win. bernie sanders is hope to go keep it as close as possible and maybe steal a few delegates. >> the polls in south carolina open at 7:00 a.m., they close at 7:00 eastern time. results expected shortly after that. what about the delegates, how many are up for grabs for the democrats? >> right, in south carolina it's important to remember that there's no party registration, it's an open primary so anybody there can cast a ballot as long as they didn't vote in last week's republican primary and they have to bring a photo id with them and have to have registered by january 27th and in terms of delegates on the total 53 pledged delegates up for grabs and on the democratic side they are allocated proportionally and some by results and statewide levels and other congressional districts and other important thing to keep in mind, a threshold that each candidate has to reach

including in congressional districts of getting at least 15% to win delegate. that shouldn't be problem for either clinton or sanders because they are the only two candidates in the race. as i mentioned earlier, that's what bernie sanders is going to be hoping to the in states and moving to supertuesday where there are other southern states where clinton is the still favorite. >> well, let me pick up on the point on what happened in 2008 where senator barack obama won in south carolina that was a turning point in his bid against then senator hillary clinton. where is the race moving ahead beyond south carolina into supertuesday, first with senator sanders? >> right, so both clinton and sanders will be kind of looking at different targets in the dozen or so state that is are voting next tuesday and there's really about five states that the sanders campaign is targeting, states that can win,

colorado, massachusetts, vermont and even okay o. mostly states that are not in the south, mid-west, vermont, states where white voters will play a much larger role. they plan to get young voters that have been overwhelming while hillary clinton is focused on the southern states, georgia, texas, alabama, virginia, all places she expects to do very well. >> let me pick up on secretary of state hillary clinton, she's going to be in arkansas and thread the needle on tuesday. >> since it is a proportional allocation on the democratic side, chances are she's not going to put this contest away on march first, although she is hope to go at least have a very large delegate count going into some of the states on march eighth, march 15th and the clinton campaign would love to have this, pretty closed to wrap up by the middle of march but

they are raising money to keep this race for a little while yet. >> more details online on nationaljournal online. thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> and we'll also have road to the white house coverage of ohio governor john kasich tomorrow. the republican candidate will answer questions in a town hall held in nashville live on noon eastern on c-span. >> and now we are joined here on the washington journal by ben wikler, director of moveon.org. why did moveon.org endorse bernie sanders? >> we only endorse when our members vote to endorse a candidate. this january we put the question to moveon members. hillary clinton or do not endorse.

bernie sanders came through in a landslide, 78.6% of those who cast ballots voted for bernie sanders, that's more than any received in history and more people voted in moveon nomination history. for us it was endorsement and we are all in beeling the burn. >> host: what was the reason for that, what you calledd overwhelming endorsement? >> guest: moveon members, we have been polling, doing all kinds of way of listening why they are drawn to the sanders' campaign and the message is very clear, sanders represents the fight against a rigged system and fight for an america that would recollects for everybody instead of a tiny number offo people at the very top. he wants to break up the big banks, fight income and inequality and wants to make sure that at each step of life our government is serving the public interest rather than a

tiny special who happen to write giant checks to campaign,th expanding social security togn seniors, and medical leave for new-born infants, expandingor funding for planned parenthood, reforming the criminal justice system, all the issues that are so fundamental to the way we live. avoiding unneedless -- needlessl wars. >> host: ben wikler, donald trump has in some way a populist message. did any of your members vote for him, was he considered viable?h >> guest: no. donald trump is clearly as members support bernie sanders they are adamantly oppose to donald trump. there's a simple reason for that. every time donald trump opens his mouth it's clear that he does not think that america is not for all americans. he would like to chop us up,t band muslims, deport millions of

people, break up families and build a wall, his message is one of exclusion, he's tapping into real anger and concern about how the system work but he's not proposing solution that is bring people together, far from it. >> host: one of the issues that moveon has worked on or put out press releases on is the supreme court and whether or not the president should nominatesome somebody. i want to get your response to what then senator joe biden hadt to say in 1992 and this is from c-span archive. >> it is my view that if a supreme justice resigns tomorroa or the next couple of weeks or resigns at the end of the summer, president bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not -- and not name a nominee until after the november election is completed.

the senate too, mr. president, must consider how it would respond to a supreme court vai cranky that would occur in the full throws of an election year. it is my view that if the president goes away at presidents johnson and presses nomination, the senate judiciary committee should seriouslyar consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination until ever -- until after the political campaign season is over. >> host: a lot of not's in there. >> guest: i think it's important to step back and consider thein contest that was first of all the summer and not the end of winter on an election year. secondly it was totally hype --i

hypothetical, different than having opening in february, saying that they blankedly will not even meet with a nominee, what they are doing now, regardless of speeches that people have made, what they're doing now is unprecedented. there's no precedent for blanketly refusely building a wall against doing their constitutional duties. they're saying that there's no way that they will hold hearings, no way they will consider nominee, that's irresponsible, extremely partisan and a naked political move in a process that is fundamentally about the way the justice system was constructed by the constitution of the united states. >> host: numbers are up, you want to talk to ben wikler of.o. moveon.org. i want to introduce one more and we are going to go to calls.

4,763 delegates to the democratic convention this summer in philadelphia. needed to win the nomination 2383 is how many you need but out of that 4700 plus, 15% of them are so-called super super delegates. >> guest: that's right, they are not chosen through primary through caucuses, members of the democratic national committee from different states and they can vote for whomever they want when it times to convention. a lot of delegates have been endorsing candidates, that's their right. everyone has their say but for moveon.org and most democrats across the country, it seems pretty clear that super delegates that have their position not by being chosen by primaries or caucuses, they shouldn't have the power and they shouldn't exercise the power to overrule the choice of the democratic electorate in choosing the democratic nominee. we have an actual election

system, we have primaries and caucuses going around thema country and moveon.org has asked super delegates to pledge that when it comes to the convention they will support who won the caucuses around the country rather than overturning the will of the public.e idea o >> host: do you support the idea of superdelegates? >> guest: i support elevating people with leadership in the party. i think their voices are important. it's great to have a way to plug in but they certainly shouldn't have the power to overrule what most people want. the reason we have primaries ant caucuses, the reason, you know, it's not all back room deals is we believe in democracy. >> host: how did you get in politics? >> guest: i'm from wisconsin. my parents were strongly

political and they believed in social justice. i remember going to a jesse jackson rally when i was 7 year's old and that memory stuck with me. i have volunteered for tammympa. baldwin's campaign, first legislature and house. i got the honor to intern for him. they were standing up for constituents and values and gave me a sense of idealism that i'm proud to be able to carry into my job now representing the millions of moveon members around the country. there's a real difference between how let's say russ fine gold is doing this right now. sometimes broke party lines, sometimes stood alone, he always stood on principle and explained

why he was doing what he was doing and thought to change the campaign financing system. so for me, it just seemed like a way you can make a difference in the world and it's been such an honor and pleasure to be able to participate in that. >> host: first call from ben wikler. democrat, hi, jerry. >> caller: hi, jerry, i disagree with everything that you had to say about the delegates, i think it's a lousy system. what i wanted to talk about was the oath of office taken by politicians, article six of the constitution, what they have to say and then the oath that people take that have been written by lobbyist, they were sanctioned by the constitution, they weren't written by the government as prescribed by the constitution, and the constitution says the moral of

the land, faith and loyalty to this pledge the constitution and the people and i don't understand how any other pledge is not in direct conflict with the constitution and people who work for lobbyist pledges are lobbyist, if they win the presidency, they would have 32 states, both the senate, the house, they'll have the presidency, they will get to pick the judicial, the supreme court and -- >> host: all right. i think we are getting your point. ben wikler, any response for that caller? >> guest: i think you're making a great profound point. fundamentally every job of every senator is to uphold the constitution. that should be the guiding principle and the constitution is there to promote the -- the functioning and general welfare of the united states of america. now, we are seeing candidates

specially on the republican making pledges that prevents them from serving the public f interest, like the pledge to never raise taxes under any circumstances, not during wars or crises where we need the funds for programs, not even to rebalance a tax system that's heavily tilted itself towards the wealthiest, that's the kind of pledge that i think is hard to take seriously if you take seriously the idea that your form of duty is to the public interest, interest of your constituents, that hard and facts 1% pledge doesn't actually work out in the real world. that's why president reagan would have fallen through a pledge like that and that's why democrats look at the world as it actually exists. we have a fundamental problem how campaigns financed and they have to stick to them instead of

sticking to the needs of their citizens. >> host: smiley asks via twitter, ben wikler, what are bernie sanders' accomplishmentso >> guest: thank you, smiley, great question. he's a ranking democrat, he and senator mccain were lead on a profound reform of the veterans affairs, the veterans administration, that's a very strong establishment.istrat also got incredible history ofa working across the aisle. he had more amendments than any other representative. he was call it had amendment king of the house. these are on a huge array of issues from health care to wall street regulation. in the affordable care act he was the power of getting several billion dollars for community center that play a vital role in a way outside of the traditionae system and much more cost effective. senator sanders has a record to

figure out where to find common ground even while he calls for visionary ideas that move a national debate forward. >> host: pensacola, florida, independent line, go ahead, you're in the washington journal. >> caller: good morning, i'm a huge bernie sanders. i rent ci le switched parties so i could vote. you talked about the superdelegates a little bit, but if it comes down to superdelegates, nominating clinton, i think a huge amount of bernie sanders' fans will use him or switch sides, i think it'll be a travesty if bernie sanders wasn't nominated because of superdelegates, that's all, appreciate it. >> guest: thank you, thanks for the call. you're speaking to an issue, what happens to the enthusiasm of the democratic party, what happens to the turnout of

voters, activistings, independents that are getting involved for the first time? if the nominee had been choosen through primary and caucuses is cast aside by party insiders, that would be an incredible blow to the huge numbers of people who will have turned out and volunteered, donated, poured their hearts and soul into a democratic process that they wanted to believe in. i think it cuts both ways. it's unlikely but let's say bernie sanders was behind in pledged delegates and one with superdelegate, i would want the superdelegates to support hillary clinton, i think no matter which candidate it is, it's vital that the final nom fee was the person who won the election.. we don't want a rerun with bush and gore. we want a democratic process. >> if you go to c-span's website, you will find our delegate tracker and this is associated press results. again, 4,763 democratic delegate

s overall. 2372 republicans overall, forer the republicans you need 1237 to nominate, 283, reminder that about 15% of the democratic delegates are so-calledgates superdelegates that we've been talking about this morning with ben wikler, but you can find that on our website, delegate tracker, you can keep an eye on who is doing so far. new york times asked hillary clinton to release transcript of her speeches, do you agree with that position? >> guest: all the candidates should release transcripts of speeches, what candidates say specially when they are behind closed doors is pertinent to people who are deciding who to vote for? i think that's pretty basic and clear.

one of the things about bernie sanders is he is comfortable releasing transcripts. i think that's great. this is something that we will move in the course of primary. >> host: mary, democrats line, please go ahead. >> caller: i'm a big bernie supporter too. last night on hardball i was disappointed that it wasn't brought out more that bernie wants people to vote and he forgot to mention that there's 469 out of 534 seats that are up for election in 2016. i'm sure that if voters came out, a lot of those seats could be taken by progressives. thank you. thanks for .. just about the presidential election. havenk sanders and clinton

a strong view of this, of the idea that it is not just about taking the white house. it is about mobilizing people across the country. sanders has done an extraordinary job of giving people a role to play, making it clear that people power his campaign and it is not enough to win a presidential election. we need to take back the senate and make inroads into the house. after elections, citizens need to stay involved. we will only get a visionary, bold change of millions of people are involved in the political process daily. that is one of the lessons from the last eight years, and it is fundamental to sanders' candidacy. it is really not about him. it is about all of us. host: ben wikler is the washington director of moveon .org. we have a call from ohio on the republican line. caller: good morning. on theatching something

fox network. they were talking about having women joined the draft. when they mentioned that sandler was 18 years old, he refused to join the draft. he did not register. i just wonder how this young man feels about that. is almost can't 90 sanders -- almost treating sanders like he is a saint. of course, he is jewish. they could refuse, but he was a jewish man, and all my family went to germany and five for the jews. so tell me about bernie sanders and his record on registering. guest: thanks for your call to one thing i love about c-span is the chance to engage with people from a huge variety of

viewpoints. something we have in common is that our family members fought in america's wars. my on goal was a vietnam veteran, and my dad served in the u.s. and did not go to was am -- my uncle vietnam veteran. sanders had a profound moral disagreement with that war. .e talks about needless wars sanders obviously grew up as an activist fear he was getting arrested protesting segregation, fighting for civil rights as a teenager and in college. he had deeply held political views in a time of german's visions -- at a time of tremendous division, a time i did not live through. but i have heard stories from mike parents and friends and family. -- from my parents and friends and family. the key question is what we do now, what we require of young people, and what we do going forward when america has to make a decision about war and peace.

sanders has shown tremendous judgment to her he opposed the most available -- one of the most pivotal for policy decisions of my time. he supported the iran nuclear deal, which helped of heard a war with iran. am confident he will only put men and women in harm's way when it is absolutely necessary host: . -- necessary. host: what is the path to bernie sanders getting the nomination? guest: votes. the big moment coming up now is super tuesday already, i think we're looking at strong results in vermont and colorado and oklahoma.and he is actually ahead in oklahoma , and i believe in massachusetts. there are 11 states up for grab spirit i think he can win several and come close to a draw or tie him for several more. it is still a pension battle. the thing about the sanders

campaign is that it is people power, and people power is a renewable resource to what has happened so far is that people step up. people turn out and volunteer more. people donate more. nobody is maxing out the sanders campaign. i should not say nobody. but people can keep making small donations. the average donation of the sanders campaign is $27. i think that is something we will see continue for as long as it takes. i think the exciting thing is how success builds on success, how energy builds on energy. h is demonstrating it is possible, and that brings people out of the woodwork to make it happen. tweet -- can you give us one conservative policy you would like? where are you willing to compromise? if not, why should they compromise with you? guest: great question.

a lot of policies have been supported by republican senator much like. i will point to my favorite example, a president i had differences with. created theh emergency plan for aids relief him and that policy saved millions of lives and transform the global epidemic. it is something we can lifetimely end in our could the prospect of an aids-freak generation, which seemed unthinkable, is up julian view -- the prospect of an aids-freee -- generation is a prospect. stepped up to the plate and provided tremendous leadership on the issue. i think that is terrific. i would be delighted to see more policies that make the world a better place from our friends on the republican side and from the democratic side. no question that there is room for compromise, room for finding

things we can work on together. it is about putting down the partisan puzzle and focusing on what the people of america actually need. host: i guess he's all your poster of their in harvard. ella delphia, independent line. -- philadelphia. caller: big bernie sanders fan. once i understood how the super pac's work, that a similar to gerrymandering. anyway, i am glad you are from wisconsin. i was very disappointed with that recall. please explain how you got over one million signatures and, yet, failed to give scott walker -- get scott walker out of that job. i'm confused on that. host: thank you. guest: that is a painful and important question. for folks who have not followed the stories of wisconsin, scott walker who failed as a

presidential candidate, was -- has been republican governor of wisconsin for some time now. after he passed this ridiculous bill supposedly to fix the budget, but actually to smash public-sector unions up of wisconsin, there was a recall effort. millions of signatures were gathered across the state calling for a new vote for governor, and scott walker ran for reelection. what a lot of people do not realize is that millions upon millions of dollars was poured into the state by the koch brothers and national efforts of wealthy conservative donors. that amplified a message that they found had a message, and the message was that the people already decided it would be unprecedented to recall the governor, we should not do it, he has not broken any laws. and this idea that we should not just recall the governor when we do not like the policies, that broke through. i think if people realized that they were hearing that message over and over and over, repeated

in tv ads, because of money pouring in from out of state, people who funded his campaign had a clear, direct financial interest and breaking the power of organized labor, i think it might have turned out differently. it was a stark example of the power of big money to avert what should have been the democratic process. host: ben wikler, washington director of moveon.org. , television for serious readers. >> "washington journal" continues. host: doug collins of the judiciary committee in the

house. you have a big hearing next week on apple encryption and the fbi. where do you stand on the issue? >>host: you had they been hearing next week with apple into the fbi? >> to this point it will be a defining issue. we have had a hearing already but it is a very slippery slope. i think apple is fighting back and they should be. where does is start it verges is stopped? it does not say with just this information. but it doesn't have to be though born of. and how we look best to

protect the country. i've understand the terrorist threat but also there is a concern that not to stop something but you will give us a way to getting an almost analogous with the key to everybody's house. is there a balance? yes but not to be struck in the court. >> the director said, be will get the response spirit this case and all cases are important but there is a broader policy question that is far larger than any individual case that we have to grapple with. first-ever does come from a technical expert and a lawyer but i will take a shot. i do think it is potentially

, whenever the judge's decision in california will be instructive for other courts in their baby other cases that involve the same type of phone or operating system the experts have told the is the combination of this particular operating system it is unlikely to be a trail blazer because of technology so that decision -- decision by the judge of how other courts to handle similar requests. >> that is the reason i have that concern i have talked about the judge in california or new yorker different areas. t really want to take issue where most people carry the ayatollah or the data don't

believe that to jurisdictions? this is one phone of a dead terrorist but the next question is if you to get them to do that than what is the next up for the next court order? that is the concern. in what i do for good. >> without privacy aspect it is the reason to make an exception. >> as conservative leaders there seems to be quite a bit of talk of the budget resolution. >> that is going to be interesting. i believe we have to have parity of spending.

it 80 percent of the budget to talk about medicare or social security. we have done a good job to continue that process. we need to lower that with the death has come down. so now is the said decision that the majority of republicans voted against? now we say is this the way to go forward? >> i think he will do what he said he will do. working with different numbers and always makes the decision but said i will open the process.

but just look at what has happened. and that exclusive nature to see more amendments and more debates. i will sum up. it will be incorrect but i hope i get a right. paul rice and is trying to develop a conservative platform. to use as the model will the congress be relevant this year in the political debate ?

>> i don't believe i have seen them go through the motions. election-year politics whether presidential or others but from a conservative perspective you take any major issue in many times they will get those cloture votes for the filibuster issue. and they said what happened they said they cannot get the votes in the senate. evening with the election year but the american people

in the presidential race to save fight for what matters. five for those regulatory burdens. and then we see the electorate a sense that. >>host: you a richly supported scott walker who are you supporting today? >> i believe he left the race but i am still looking. i think ted cruz has a good message id marco rubio. donald trump is saying what a lot of people feel. not specifics but said he does give a voice but the

interesting part was with a solid conservative resonates in which people head, and so frustrated. >>host: representative collins is also reverend:serving 80 years at senior pastor at the chicopee baptist church. >> just south of gainesville georgia. >>host: we will get to your phone calls. congressional and political. on the republican line go ahead. >> caller: hello. making use of my monthly call because i have something important to say.

with a supreme court justice but the democrats are getting ready to viciously attack because they would not take obamacare but make it simple and tell them you are invoking the bided doctrine and the schumer doctrine to pick the supreme court justice has the president finishes up his term. it is the same thing that the democrats were doing 10 years ago and now they want to to accuse republicans by screwing up. >>host: we got the point. congressmen? >> that reflects a lot of the constituents. it is amazing how it highlights that reflects something that needs to be true.

of with that political president we see a most of the issues and with the election-year why would we see anything less? and now looking at an airport that is changing and would really change the landscape of the next 50 years. i support the senate an elected how this political season is played now. >> the president should nominate somebody because of that distinction of shortages in the republican administration. >> you think he should dominate? >> that is his responsibility the senate has a of a constitutional responsibility if they choose not to then they can follow the democrat doctrine

>>host: st. paul minnesota democrat. >> caller: what i'd like to say is that we were talking about national defense and i have to wonder why there is so much interest it has been on the news all this time they're not just walking around with the phones in their pockets fremont's leader. first talking about national defense we should be addressing the court to educate our young with these high-tech weaponry is. if we stop aliens coming in with education and that is no way it is discrimination made to spend a little less on building bombs for those that have to operate the

systems to do infrastructure so with the of water pipes ask national security if you don't have good water your electrical grid is faulty the and this is ridiculous. >>host: we have a lot of topics on the table. >> this:is a very public case going on for a while in classified hearings about this issue of encryption with a law-enforcement community this will be something they want but then it becomes the focal point i think the reason that we are skeptical in this case is it is the president going

forward it is about these other issues but the market will handle those but the bigger market is privacy and how we access that information. we need to grow as we continue to move forward but we have become the object. >>host: parts of the debate last night was health insurance and interstate if you could sell insurance over state lines. why doesn't that happen? >> closely it goes back before the insurance industry to set up in strands and then to allow

others but i think this is part of the plan we need a dollar patient centered approach and the access and terminology to say opening and expanding the market's and then they get caught up on the issues from what is moving forward when obamacare took over. as we continue to look at other alternatives with a competitive market so people can have affordable health insurance. sometimes have access but the problem is to get a low monthly rate with the deductible but they get that

policy but they are too hot and that is a step they need to take the. >> river and collins also a lawyer. >> good morning. it is interesting about apple and the floating. the authority is always get search warrants. so i am not understanding why it is so difficult to do what they'd normally do to get the phone.

and just not understanding and frankly apple should do with the government wants them to do because privacy is already out the window. >> guest: if the phone was yours with they want them to look into your phone? it is in the process but the fact of the encryption into the phone cannot be unlocked. apple does and how that backing is there a way to go in under the encryption for what the fbi is asking for? and then until they get a different opinion did leads to be held up what is the

balance of national security? maybe not this zero but then the next person so what about the next warrant. >>host: i don't want your unhealthy state of a georgette to buy insurance in i was face it -- plus a lot my previous. >> that what happened anytime soon. >>host: the democrat might go ahead. >> caller: not concerned of the same-sex marriage case but if you look from the perspective and justice

alito said to deal with the rule of law as. and justice scalia pointed out that no social transformation but of that decision with the supreme court to deal with the rule of law. so what really needs to take place is to redress what is going on in and tell the supreme court is in position and they cannot tear off their responsibilities from the supreme court. >> this is something a lot of people have confirmed in many cases is the balance to

have that perspective is the reason why of how the federal building interacts with each other. in when they get together to decide their cases. if your ruling from the preference that is the concern i have with the apple case if you have that ruling especially with the rollover core the ruling will hold. >>host: you also talk about

syria? >> we will see. the issue from this administration and into bleed over into iraq. in those concerns of the region this is not something to get your way out of. dealing with three or four people. and others from the arab world that has a direct

impact. although i don't think it will last very long. >> the independent line. >> caller:. >> whenever the government gets they abuse it. i abetted article the of the day the u.s. marshals secretly tap cell phones and tired of beverage trying to manipulate us out of fear constantly afraid then these technologies go down to this level. >> but to understand the process but he was 31 years in law enforcement.

and they always found ways to do the work talk about encryption that we never had to 3040 or 20 years ago but it is what is that next step? the fbi director that says this is isolated, every time i am here this is the first up and you see the slippery slope. >> we have the general counsel. who else? >> i think there are some other experts in the field. >> c-span will cover that hearing. republican space. >> caller: hello.

they can for your service and continuous service. i have a couple things talking about the government the american people where at this -- of these to these people we see the government don't worry about us. the hillary clinton is a good example why 50 percent of the american people support someone who has given up so the classified documents. you know, sid representative one document you are in trouble. >> guest: one i would like to say is we have five candidates out there that is scary. >> with the one thing that you say is someone who has been around classified

information with that classified information she will never do it became she runs her own game the way she wants to. hillary clinton should she spent her presidential campaign comeback and they should resolve this issue. i have gotten e-mail after e-mail from friends in the military who have retired to say there is no way you don't know that something shouldn't beyond the non secure account so for her to say it is no big deal or a witch hunt is a grave disservice to as this country in those who do understand the position since you are entrusted with to handle information that has very few eyes and a lot mistake. in she owes it to the american people in she needs to solve that now.

>>host: baltimore independent line and. >> caller: address seeing the question into the congressman about hillary clinton but he said it much more cogently then i have. we have hundreds of fbi agents and if they want to break it then we should just retire them all in just ask

how to come up with that piece that they need. we have to have some downside risk by a narrow door to veteran and i think i understand the problem and i am so happy the congressmen talks about this point. >> guest: thanks for your service but the question is somebody times of one every want to call that is simply is not a one off the you can get in their room and solve we all have encryption and

from those beginning to weigh in. and my only question is you were dealing with millions of transactions. >> with that discussion, it do you know, if they can unlock just the ones don't? airbase said we can do that but when you start saying if we could or if we did then there may be a pathway they could reverse or however they get into a. just give it to apple let

them do that but then this is a dead terrorist to say we could get anywhere. and it may or may not be. here is one more. again i understand the security risk but the question is there a balance we can live with? >> and donald trump wins the republican nomination and? mickey is the republican nominee. >>host: republican from georgia. >> every election cycle will

remind us how important it is with a whole for political junkies. it is the great way. >> there are lots of c-span in france of the hill that say i saw you on c-span and. >> to make sure people outside the beltway know bush is calling on inside it >> good evening everybody.