>> >> teddy roosevelt first was fairly subdued to come to a town called barstow so he enjoyed the welcome and then coming through to the pacific ocean in the end that really understands to

become very poetic to try to sum up his feelings to get away from the cities and the of politics. but then after mckinley is assassinated with that election then roosevelt would shore up those votes. but months before the trip with no politics or aids so it was political to forge a friendship and at that time

has been around awhile. >> as much as he rode in similar areas he was seeing the concerns and a lot of logging now there were these threats if you have real federal protection at least was the start. it to be in your about the time to take that opportunity as the chance to address what is going on especially with logging. he saw that coming and he changed his trip in the

camping trip was a select few. and as a result of that and then to prepare food to observe from the background and then to eavesdrop a bit. and with those observations to see that initial meeting to very powerful and accomplishment.

and then to get in his face he admonish roosevelt. and then evidently after and not only the 40 hours that is telling about his real passion. en with that revelation is monumental can the first

night with bad experience to where they go up on horseback in 5 feet of snow to completely avoid the press so it is an interesting night end in the

shadows to talk about the 94. and also future plans. it is in justin f. to love nature but to preserve as well but. >> what roosevelt thought it required a catalyst to step in and get him fired up and there was a lot of logging taking place.

to focus in making it a river eating topic. and that is what made the difference but reza of those two cities and in parts ways. so already within days in soon after within a year or two with a forest as a national landmark over the course of his presidency he is formidable and lets it be known in a couple led years

with very little push back to understand that it was serious to him. it to be pleased what theodore roosevelt is doing but as time went on and they said that is on the broker carr. but that is the one i think he wanted the most. and again was always respectful to be proud but

he always wanted more as well. in for those who never wanted to stop in believed in his heart you can never give up the fight. in that is a wonderful legacy. >> no way that president today could escape civilization the way he did. remember they were all down below. they had no clue where the president was or if he was okay. the process could have gone

up there and he really could have disappeared but to do nothing more bin become friendly and begin to understand to build awareness and appreciation. it was a beautiful moment in said it is poetic and with the painting of roosevelt that may have been too much and affected the meeting but to have each other's companies just to learn about each other in a very natural pace.

>> and those other . .tice, the dark side and "dark money." >> host: author jane mayer, when we talk about the koch brothers, who are we talking about? >> guest: well, we are talking about interestingly two of the richest people in the world, probably the richest their brothers in the world, certainly in america who are very strong political views and have taken fortune over the last 40 years to try doing a america.

they spent in very targeted ways in interesting ways to try to change the whole direction of american politics. poster what are their names and where are they located? re guest: charles koc nd the ones people think of as the coke brothers and in wichita kansas where the family industries are based into david lives in new york and is the wealthiest president in manhattan. there are two others, bill and fred but mostly you don't hear about it in the headlines. >> host: why not? >> guest: they are not as political and in some ways, they are losers in a huge family struggle that took place over the years