him once again. given that you have primary jurisdiction in many of our states. >> i will share that information but i will like to point out in partnership with the department of interior they have been working collaboratively to provide services for victims. >> it hasn't stopped drugs from coming on the reservation. and let me tell you if you want to see children born under conditions they should be warning, come to any one of my reservations. and there are people operating there with impunity. ..

stemming from the report. at that time the report will be made available to the tribes for further tribal consultation. we welcome the opportunity to hit -- the final report will be no later than december 2016. >> i think it's important to look beyond, it's obviously not

getting the job done, that exacerbates all the problems whether it is with medical personnel onto critical jobs. my last question would be for ms. smith to recognize that you haven't been at a very long but to follow up on the germans,, we are being asked to provide more resources, most of you know i am in that camp. the resources that were currently provided are not adequate to meet treaty obligations. not adequate to fulfill our responsibility. we need to make sure that what is being spent is being spent appropriately. we look forward to hearing the outcome of what the deputy secretary told us was the new structure for analyzing these

problems in working across the line. i will encourage you, so many members actually qualify for medicaid. and could provide a third-party reimbursement funding source that would in fact satisfy some of my hospital concerns that just haven't paid the bill. that happens. i want to continue to encourage you to encourage tribal members to enroll in medicare and medicaid. somehow i know this is a great concern that somehow that is an abrogation or inappropriate given the treaty application, i'm hoping congress can work with us to get the message out and maybe we can stash a program that could in fact make indian people more comfortable with getting healthcare to a third-party fee for payment service. >> thank you senator for the

question. we are working very hard on encouraging people to sign up for medicaid. i will just say, i just spoke to tribal leaders in north dakota two months ago about medicaid expansion and that is exactly that topic we were talking about. >> i will tell you tribal leaders get it. unfortunately many tribal members don't. somehow we are missing that and more advocacy that we can get out there the better the opportunity to expand services and give native american people the choice on where they get their healthcare. thank you and sorry one over. >> thank you mr. chairman, and thank you for the work that you do. i want to begin my question this morning by general comments about consultation. over the past be months i cannot tell you the number of

conversations i have had with the people, both here in washington d.c. and in alaska that are expressing more concern about the processes and policies around consultation. we all know the imperative behind consultation, the federal government has a duty to consult with tribes, and do so in a way that is meaningful, not just check the box exercise. in terms of responsibilities that you all have with your respective agencies, i look at it and that has to be a top responsibility. i am i am merging all of you within your agencies and departments, as you develop your budget, as you update your procedure, in your day to day operations, keep these consultations as a very high priority.

some of you are doing a better job than others, i am not good to single anybody out, i will put it front and center that when you are doing all that you do on a daily basis, do not, do not forget the consultation part of that. i did have an opportunity to spend a fair amount of time with you ms. smith and the appropriations committee this morning, thank you for that, i think you for the willingness to come to the state and discuss the issues that we have discussed. i would also invite you to come to rule alaska to see some of the housing issues that you speak very informed about but knowing that we have some concerns and some issues that are perhaps a little unique. i want to ask you specifically about this comprehensive housing needs study you say that this is close to completion and the results are intended to be used to drive a policy and strategy. this concerns me, it concerns me because i am am told that out of the 229 better late federally recognized tribes in alaska, there were only three that were

included in your household survey. that was a chick alone, uniquely tanking clothes. that is a sampley rate that is vastly lower than the lower 48. this has been brought to the attention of hud and to your contractors. know that i am very concerned about what this very important study upon which you're going to be basing future decisions, i want to make sure that alaska and alaska tribes are not underrepresented or misrepresented. i just need to know that this is clearly been brought to your attention. >> senator, thank you for the question. i just want to provide some context, the housing study that is being conducted by hud, by our policy department, the study is a national study. it is using statistically valid sample and we have engaged in

tribal consultations. this is one reason why there has been a delay, we are working very closely with the alaska tribe, in fact we held to tribal consultation sessions, but i will definitely follow up senator, i note your concern, i will follow up. >> i appreciate that. again, it is three out of 229 and these and these are very small communities for the most part. i want to ask you a question mrl courts. as you know, i have made have made tribal courts in alaska a priority as well as other pl to 80 states, we had language including an omnibus last year, no in 2015 that directed a study of the budgetary needs of tribal courts, last year in nominee

there was 10,000,000 dollars to pilot tribal systems for travel communities and the pl 280 state. we aren't making progress there, as i keep saying we got our foot in the door but the question to you is whether or not you have an update for me on how this pilot system may move forward, also the fy 17 budget request plans to cut the funding that we had included, the 10 million by $8 million. from the 16 enacted level. so the question is, on the pilot in any explanation for the proposed decrease. >> thank you very much for that funding we really appreciate it, it is extremely important. i have heard from a number of tribal leaders in alaska when

they're here for nc ai about that funding. one of the things were going to do, it's very important to get that funding out as quickly as possible. it is also important to consult with the tribes and the pl 280 states. how we are going to move forward is we are going to have a telephone consultation within the next 30 or 355 days. we will have a couple of days of telephone consultations with the tribes in the pl 280 stay. whether that funding, and how that punisher be utilize. i've heard a number number of different things from tribes in alaska and elsewhere, i think it is very important to have court assessments but i have also heard it's important from those tribes to implement some of those tribes in the court themselves, that is going to be part of the consultation that it is $10 million. as you mentioned, the fy 17 request had a bump up from 15 to 2,000,000 dollars. dollars. we appreciate all of the support, we wish because it was a 16 budget was passed in the closing days of the year, we will not able to necessarily

maintain that funding for the 17 request, i know i'm going to be talking with tribal leaders as part of our tribal budget counsel in a couple of weeks. i am hopeful that we can build off of the great work you did for the 18 budget, i agree with you 100 percent, it is very much needed and we are going to try to make the best use of those dollars that we can. >> i appreciate that. we really want to try to make a success of this. i want to add mr. chairman, i was prepared, can i jump on mr. roberts here this afternoon about some payments as they relate to compact funding that were due to bristol bay native, the second largest employer in

the nation. they were looking to delay offer for low some of their employees because they had not received some of their fy 16 compact funds. i received this afternoon the issue has been resolved and the remaining funds will go out today. i can tell you that ralph and some of the others are most appreciative. they had been waiting since december. they are very appreciative this has been resolved, so thank you. >> thank you. senator franken. >> thank you mr. chairman, and vice chairman for holding this hearing, mr. roberts, ever since i first came to the senate i have been raising alarm on the school on the leech lake reservation in minnesota, i have been pushing very hard, every year to get construction money to rebuild the school, i was very pleased with secretary jewel came to leech lake

reservation and had an opportunity not to just see the school but spend some real time there and see the deplorable conditions herself firsthand and what the teachers and students have to deal with every day. this is kind of disgraceful, the school. have you had a chance to know to the bug school? >> i have not yet senator. >> it is drafty, it is cold, structurally it is not sound enough so if the wind blows hard and they have to leave the school, that is very hard. >> in minnesota it is really cold. if the wind is blowing more than a certain amount they have to leave and run to another building, it is a deplorable condition. so my question, i have been

trying to get this thing rebuilt every year, what is the status, can you tell me. >> yes, thank you for the question. as you mention. as you mention secretary joe has been out there, my predecessor has visited. everyone i talked to within the department notes the horrible conditions of the building. it is a building that was never intended for education purpose at the outset. there were some questions by your colleagues about the campuswide replacement, the bug school does not fit in that category because it is a single building, so we do have appropriations, i am hoping that within the next 30 days or so i have an answer for you on how we are moving forward with the bug school, that is my hope. i am meeting with the chairwoman of leech lake later this month.

i'm also meeting internally with the team because everything i've heard from our facility folks is there is not a building in worse condition there. i do not have anything for you today except that i am very well aware of it and focused, i appreciate you championing this issue. i have been to some of the schools that are on the campuswide construction list, the process that we have her school replacement right now, we need a lot more resources. >> usually when we have these budget meetings, it becomes abundantly clear, i just want to say to my colleagues again who are on this committee that i believe it is our job to go to our caucuses and tell them, we are the only ones that hear this testimony from indian country. and about our native people.

we are not honoring our moral obligations, treaty obligations, i think it is something we need, all of us on both sides of the aisle need to be telling our caucuses, especially when we have this hearing reporting on budget it becomes especially apparent. i i want to talk about opiate use. it has become epidemic in indian country and in minnesota and in urban settings, while american indians from minnesota only make up 3% of kids born in public sister program, they make up 28% of the infants born with neonatal abstinence syndrome. i know ms. smith, i know that's

why he initiative is in part to address this, are you hearing about similar use of opiates abuse across indian country and how will the initiative or other programs in the budget fight this rapidly increasing problem in my state and around the country? >> thank you for that question and for your leadership on that topic. unfortunately there is a very real problem with opiate abuse in indian country. we are working on it, in our budget we have included $15 million for additional

funding for substance abuse initiative. on an operational basis we are attacking it on a three-pronged basis. we have a policy that goes out to our providers as to how to prescribe correct dosages. we have mandatory training for all of our providers and in terms of treatment we utilize what is called medication assisted treatment to ensure we are trying to address this epidemic. >> and then since we are on this panel it is not a solution but it is one of the things that helps with the problem, we are cooperating with the bureau of indian affairs, we have provided the lock sewn to the law-enforcement for anecdotes and we rolled that out in oklahoma in the fall and we are going to move that to other areas. >> for ods. i'm out of time, i just want to

say that that epidemic is very much tied to the poor housing, poor healthcare, the job situation in a sense of hopelessness that the people get when they are living in those kind of conditions. >> thank you. my questions are for deputy director smith, in your testimony you know the challenges of recruiting and retaining quality healthcare professionals specifically in the great plains region. recently i i was informed that the credentialing process required, under i ihs and i heard this process is cumbersome because it must be renewed every year. i am concerned this may disqualify qualified

professionals who are in good standing with the state medical boards from working in some of these underserved areas. i want to get your thoughts on that, what is the purpose of the credentialing, particularly having to go through every year. do you think it does have an impact on retaining and attracting qualified staff? >> thank you for that question about attracting and retaining qualified staff. in terms of credentialing, obviously credentialing is necessary to ensure we are providing qualified quality healthcare and our providers are credentialed. and respect our credentialing system, do think there are improvements that can be made. we have a new quality consortium that is going to look at a lot of these quality standards, one of the areas is looking at a uniform credentialing process that would allow more flexibility for providers. i appreciate your question. >> is that a change you anticipate you will be making or

something that you are just looking into? >> i think we will make changes, i do not know exactly and specifically what change, one of the things we're looking at is a different software package for credentialing, i do not have an answer today whether that will go forward. we definitely will make changes to streamline the process. >> do you have an estimate on timeline for that? >> i hope we'll be able to do some changes this year. >> something this year? >> yes. >> as you know there's been serious problems that ihs facilities in the great plains region, many of the problems, in some cases they were due to lack of funding, no question about it. in other cases it is lack of accountability. so my next question is, how in your opinion does the presence of budget leverage resources for

i just facilities and hold them accountable? one thing we talked about was trying to leverage i just resources to address the resource issue, how do you do that? how do you get accountability, make sure you have accountability for poor performance for the i just. >> thank you for the question, i think it is not easy sometimes but i think it is creating a culture of accountability and i think it starts at the top. i think think you need to have key leadership positions, one of the things we are doing and there is money for this in the budget, there's 2,000,000 for quality quality consortium, as i mentioned we have created a new position, deputy director of quality, we are we are going to be setting up a quality system which is essentially a compliant system with training, we are going to be working to ensure the systems are in place and

that people are held accountable. i think that was one of the problems, why those problems arose in the great plains. that is one of the top priority that we will be addressing this year. >> i think there are other service providers that you can partner with to leverage resources, as part of that and this goes to the accountability, is it reimbursement to hospitals, clinics, doctors and others that do provide services either on or off the reservation, they have a real problem with backlog in accounts receivable. we are collecting those receivables from ihs. anything you can do to make sure ihs working with the tribes get payment out to the health care providers in a timely basis, i think it's not only important for them, for the service providers and healthcare providers, but will help generate more services both on

and off the reservation for native people. >> thank you senator, i agree. leveraging the resources the resources and ensuring prompt payment. i was talking to the person who runs our purchase preferred care program yesterday about the process she is putting in place to try to streamline most payments. thank you. >> anything you can do there. we really hear from the healthcare providers that they have a real problem collecting those receivables. >> any help would be much appreciated. >> thank you senator. >> i wanted to thank the panelists were being here today. thank you much i i want to start with you carol. the grant funds to implement is 5 million dollars, last year i believe those two was two and have come you can correct me if i'm wrong. his 5 million going to be adequate? >> thank you for the question senator, as you know in march of 15 we into full implementation of the expanded ability to

prosecute non-native offenders for domestic violence. we have 45 tribes participating in our voluntary group so we expect that of the five that have been exercising it since 2014, plus the others who will now implement it, we expect will have many more people applying for the money. >> is 5 million going to be adequate? >> we will make it adequate? that is all i need to know. >> the doj mentions allocating $1 million on violence against women. it is in the same section as the implementation, is that 1,000,000, and out of the 5,000,000 but is that separates. >> that a separate funding source. >> that's good news. i will go to now larry. you have heard this before, we will come in and talk to you about different issues in the ending country and they have a lot of them. we often say to you you have to

fight harder during the budgeting process to make sure the budget makes the needs of indian country. does this budget meets the need of any country? >> thank you for the question, i do think the budget reflects the president's commitment to indian country, as i i said earlier the discretionary funding across federal agencies is less than 1% increase, for indian country,. >> i got you. got you. that was not my question. >> i know. what i will say is tribes still haven't regained the fruiting from sequester that was hit, that was 142 million. if there is anything, i know many of you for the 16 budget -- >> what i'm hearing you say is this is the best you can do but it's still not adequate. >> i think everyone knows there's still additional needs. >> perfect. i want to go back to the chairman said when he opened

up. if you have metrics you can bring to this committee to justify these increases in budget it would be very helpful. quite frankly, i don't think there's anybody on this committee that does not understand that some or all of the programs are in trouble, sequester, the obama administration has done a pretty good job but it was so bad last time they had a long ways to go. >> so, some of the metrics we can provide tomorrow are the great work that we have done in indian country with tribes on preventing violent crimes, reducing recidivism. >> yes, i got it. otherwise we just bring you in and hammer you. that's why it's important okay, we have an obligation to. we have heard from tribes and tribal organizations, entities that do business, the loan program is a great economic development tool and a minor of

the woods they need that. this is level funded. is that because that the request for the dia loan program had been flat? >> it's a great program, we could use more, we can always bump up everywhere across the budget so we are focused on schools, youth, social services, so it is a great program aware doing the most that we can that leverages dollars for indian country. >> okay, i want to go to ms. ramirez, this year's budget proposal at 60,000,000 dollar increase dollar increase to the housing program which is good. we have talked previous questions about the housing but it has been stagnant for almost 20 years. i appreciate the advocacy for a bump up. do you feel number one, that these dollars, these additional dollars will be able to get out the door?

>> yes, senator i believe the dollars will be able to get at the door and tribes will be able to invest and make use of these dollars. >> do you think this program is critically important when it comes to housing? is this one of the big programs or is it just an ancillary program that there's other ones out there? .. >> >> 50% said standard?

>> in 2014 we released the results using the census and the american community survey. put the statistics that were included work various severe overcrowding problem three or four times of the national average we also know that having to use more of the funding to rehabilitate plus going into the creation of affordable housing. >>. >> mr. chairman, i a couple things and they don't

necessarily go to the budget but the potential for change and one is obviously what we have been working on in this committee is across the board with trauma to make sure we have health care professionals to have to, based in the department of justice. to tell you to be a broken record as a path forward for change. of talking this week about heroin abuse and shia -- and

what's sparked a great deal of interest that were representing the ob/gyn. there are prescription. to raleigh the options that are out there floated hue were addicted. is blessed with pregnant women.

and talking about the crisis and looking at had a number of different things. >> it is polluting as a horrible crisis. with stated the art treatment options. to deal with their addiction. and with the people who provide services to pregnant women there is an incentive for women to look bad addiction to change behavior.

and is it isn't going to happen how we approach did to luck at a system that treats the individual to say to be compliant it just will not happen to be will continue to have a dollar after dollar. so with any kind of information for addicted pregnant women which is of crisis and we have heard reports that 50 percent of the babies are born to women who are addicted. to be better for a

successful society. >> thank you. >> step with the loan guarantee program siepi impact on the budget request of the homebuyer's monthly mortgage a $130 per year. those who are most of risk are further in the proposed budget with that policy raising from 15 basis points to be the negotiated rulemaking. despite a few examples this appears to be a successful

model. are you open to use this rule making? how you go ahead with that? >> thank you for the question. because this is the program that works for home ownership. with that monostable fee increase to believe from the credit reform act of 1990. hence is not subject to negotiated rulemaking. you have our full commitment as we have further discussions with the tribal

consultations with the changes of the program and an opportunity to improve the program in general. >> it is responsible for maintaining almost 30,000 miles of roads bin is constructed with federal funds it request of funding level to maintain only 16 percent and 62 percent of bridges in a acceptable condition and then to simply maintain the current condition and. >> so if all the 16 of those where 62 percent are an acceptable condition ha do we drive someone to the

hospital? is it too low? >> we do hear about this all the time with the department to of transportation to take the lead on the funding issues. to reflect and maintain those roads a you identified with acceptable conditions so it is extraordinarily challenging to improve infrastructure so i share your concern about the issue >> can with the fiscal year 2017 budget request the funding request has increased we understand that urgent need to fix the school system 24 played $8 million for education

management. talk about what type of services it provides. >> basically the president's budget request of and a million-dollar and also 15 positions is contrasting acquisition education specialist, the 15 positions that the need to address those services under reorganization. with recruiters m budget planning a more than happy to provide additional information to your staff. >> talk about focusing on courage of victimization and with the crime victims' rights as the facilitate the

ability of networks to meet current in future leads to a strong third collaboration talk about the further services in the president's budget request a project grant how will the development of these grants be tailored prior to announcing the grants? >> the $25 million request is designed to give us more flexibility. and then to have this car is ages of the tribal partners.

>> there is a request from the testimony of $4 million with that initiative. is there more to it and the internet site? basically to provide tribes and individuals. they can access those programs in say head has a program but. >> i will refine the question is it for the physical site for all internet? >> it is all internet at this point. >> that is a lot ms me one hell of a site. >> very tough but with a

number of agencies in indian country there is quite a of a bit of data. >> no doubt. broad base and is pretty seditious so are we building something they will not have access to? >> i think it is a great idea. but if they don't have internet how'd they access the web site? >> with additional broad base and access to there is increases. and held think this needs a the highest capabilities. but that is the one sought to identify those problems. i take it is well worth the small investment.

>> iran it talks about existing tribes. end to update those. hot -- i think it is a great idea but the next question would be do you have the infrastructure to do this? >> we have a great team. digest on how the details right now. >> this is one of the programs in the table of

this expanded so i have two questions if it was expanded to use the money or the loan guarantee. >> in principle i would need to look into those technical requirements so anything we can do because of the opportunity will. >> this is a pretty good program. what is that justification?

the one that got the ax? >> fyi 2017. and what we are projecting. >> how much carryover do you have? >> on one hand that is good. >> can appreciate all your testimony i'm sorry per cry will schedule next time. >> with that broad base end deficiency with a state of the our web site to be integrated.

there is some lack the of infrastructure in the communities. with those infrastructure like pipes and to be neglected. in we were recognized late so we had to acquire everything that we had. we are in rural communities to build that infrastructure

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and then across the country. >> with the eye on ohio next tuesday to push that message will sheephead it her charges? >> moving the campaign manager to talk about the state of the race and indicated they would double down. to say she is not there for autoworkers dead they didn't support the tarpaulins so they will say they think it

is a winning attack. >> was this just love the open the road especially with the large majority of delegates or is there a long-term concern few weeks that will become of mathematically impossible. butted is in great for them to me a long your primary as shift to attack donald trump did what they can have to work on that.

so they take a win in ohio it doesn't change strategy. >> senators sanders michigan when a red flag for clinton. and joining us from new york thank you for your time. >> glad to be here.

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view online at studentcam.org. host: we are back with former congressman jc watts >> we are back with a republican from oklahoma and author a new book titled dig deep. headline from "the wall street journal" front-page trump tightens his grip of budget g.o.p..ertainly >> you could make a strong argument. there is some time left on the clock in time is running down for some candidates but it next tuesday will be

telling if you get down to the tune in field. tuesday but donald trump strength of our but nothing would encourage me to think. >> yes senator paul dropped out and we will see how little plays out. >> people ask me why did i recoort rand paul? i thought those issues that he talked about reconciled with me very well and profiled with the things i have worked on over the last 20 years with incarceration

reforms with anti-poverty legislation. but they usually don't take on to talk about those things. actually to so i felt compelled to state and with him as he was prepared to talk about those things. i haven't talked to anybodyof so i am in a position to say you will see what happens in the general. >> if trump gets these nomination would about the republicans?don' >> these are my personal feelings and opinions.,

i don't tie any of the republican to my opinions. but i personally think it is a rather negative impact just like qc the rnc the candidates that are running for office again did in 2000 and to keep his distance when he was the nominee and democrats turned around and in 2004 and 2008 especially the republican candidates tied to president bush and

if you consider what has happened in the last fivers six months and though women that i disagree with. that. with that hispanic community i disagree with that and that he has encouraged some of his rallies to get what they deserve or to incur that it is a litmus test to draw that conclusion then one week ago the flare up with the kkk and david duke

so personally i would have serious problems with those things. and i was accused of trying to protect political correctness. but i do care about decency. i'll see them is in the politically correct. >> any support from white supremacist groups? >> it did not satisfy me.t

it shouldn't be a matter of i don't know david duke and i denounce him period and the simple. but i don't just point to this one thing. it is very difficult to say that your motives to do something for my motives was that. the uk and judge my actions the motives that i had but you can clearly judge my action to say they are wrong in with a presidential candidate to stand behind

the statement as we have heard all along, that concerns me with the faith community to say that is just the way i am what they usually say is i don't want accountability. humility is not my thing. am probably not going to grow personally. but i could point to a whole host. >> that hurts the republican party in the future? >> we're still trying to

build the brand. i think that sets us back. i worked very hard over the last 20 years and this is a tremendous setback with the house candidate out there. of. >> was get to the calls. >> caller: thanks for taking my call.e part you are part of the problem. number one donald trump's bid his own money they can

elect could they wanted is antiestablishment. you tell the people that when he is and i even born in this country? looked at the republican congress right now. to save my first priority is to stop barack obama. i don't know how you will solve this problem is to read the republicans are out of touch so the scope to bernie sanders nor donald trump. >> i don't know of he was the trumps a porter or not.

>> that people that are supporting bernie sanders that i could support him. >> with you look at the dynamics of the efforts and that donald trump there is a populist rebellion in both of those circles to stop illegal immigration. donald trump talks about something totally different i don't think this uproar started that the caller alluded to.

and then again in '96 he dropped out to but then dea-forward to howard dean. that vice president gore because that is through the energy was.me lead and i don't think those two spaces talk about the same thing. to say that ted cruz is not boarded united states he is a legal citizen of the united states of america. that is campaign salinas i

want to denounce that there is nothing that would disqualify ted cruz from running for president. host: given what you just centcom could you vote for donald trump if he is the nominee? >> i would have a very difficult time. i don't say that as a republican but the things that i have stood for and fought for on the social side of the equation. >> would you vote for hillary clinton? >> everything i fought for and stood for i would have the difficult time because we don't profile for each other. host: what do you do? that is so we ask the voters. >> i think there are many better profiling like that

with that dilemma becauseey coud you said you had sanders voters that would vote for trump to say yes we would vote for sanders but then you have another demographic tuesday because of these issues i would have difficulty voting for both. and everyone profiles for sanders ainge clinton. -- sanders and clinton. >> republican line. >> caller: good morning. congressman and. [laughter] we are a big supporters.ice of o

step-by-step price of oil isy hp down. >> but is still deskilling pretty good. i will get to wit. this quarry's me. now looks at the democratic side at all. they just keep marching. with the budget agreement he gets respect trumbull sides but i think what we got past 12 trillion now 34 years they could have paid $250 billion per year.

if we get the agreements to getting going. >> the debt issue is something of the troop campaign talks about -- the trump campaign and the clinton campaign those three candidates in the center of attention. $19 trillion in debt paying over $1 billion per day so if we didn't have that to spend $365 billion per year on research and development for diabetes or cancer or heart disease and spend that

to rebuild our roads and broken down bridges. there is a lot of differentt things to spend three and a $65 billion but nobody talks about that. go back to the two camps sanders and the trump campaign. sanders says he will give you this but he doesn't talk about how we pay for it to them on the right mr. trump talks about building a wall to deal with china. and you never hear anything about the debt. you have to get down to those circles in john kasich by the way the last time we had a balanced budget of

what we actually will lead pay down john kasich was chairman of the budget committee to serve eight years in congress and the purcell's on a path and we did then reversed six is v had a balanced budget. end he raises that question to say that if we don't deal with our national debt it will be extremely painful for our kids and grandkids. that isn't mentioning the debt to social security of medicare party.

lot of things are to included so i would submitit we could be closer at $35 trillion. >> let's talk about the book you talk about morality and i wonder but you think the words that you have been using how is that a factor? evangelicals are voting for donald trump. >> that in itself is happening. but what i say that i and dysfunctional. womb we all are and come out then to the wrong way you don't have to teach your kids to be bad.

they come now knowing how to be bad. so when i say we're all dysfunctional it is just a matter of degree and maybe more than you are but i say that because we getwe ourselves in trouble in and that is what i talk about. it isn't a natural instinct is to forgive two true the other cheek or do unto others. in in in my political life i have been in politics at the highest level in done

corporate boards with the youth pastor in that the highest level once the bad is common is to cheer the crowd. it is more intoxicating so what dig deep does is not a political book for holier than in the al that i have taken in my a dysfunctions. some of them limeade on my own and i take those experiences to talk about how i have grown in a way

that i have dealt with them.son. i like to think it has made the better person because i deal with them hopefully the right way and what it takes to grow as a society we don't come out born to naturally do those things wesi gave wisdom from the pain that we experience. this book is written at of the pain that i have suffered from my bad decisions. it will is written about me being a knucklehead but how do i use that to make people

dig deeply it is beneficial to them as well. host: independent line. >> caller: do you happen to think the republicans that are upset that are going towards trompe? with that republican support that gets the most votes then he should get the nomination. but to say vote for thisth person or that person just driving a wedge in the republican party.

>> he is probably right i would agree that if you have a third or another candidate a d that creates and deeper chaos than what we have today.donald t mitch mcconnell doesn't have to endorse my opinion. paul ryan doesn't have tos. endorse a about my feeling with donald trump that isha based on my 58 years in what my wisdom tells me for the country.

i probably but not vote for donald trump but i trust the voter. i may disagree but i trust the american people. also with president clinton or president obama. i cannot say if republicansp a don't like what the democrats put up for their candidates then we have to put up a better candidate that is what that means it. host: the democratic line go-ahead to. >> caller: good morning. my observation is that trump appeals to the base instincts of the damage constituency. so how does the republican party reconcile the racist behavior, i have seen the

videos and they are quite disturbing. how does the party reconcile those behaviors of the trunk candidacy? canno >> you bring up a great point looking at the outset i cannot reconcile with the position he has taken with such a broad brush of the hispanic community to encourage hostilities with protesters in the kkk in many other things.

how does the party reconcile that? and i can't. host: republican line your next. >> i am the most conservative.th donald trump, one headed 50% for him. nine of the rest of them, a kasich, rubio, clinton. host: why do you support donald trump? >> because he is getting illegals out of the country that took my family is jobs. almost half a trillion dollars with the trade deficit to stop all of this stuff. all the jobs going over there. i really believe he will do

it. if you double crosses us. >> in one thing i would have asked him is what is the thoughts on cruz? because those supporting trump they saying he is not one of them horror and insider. would he support cruz? one of the arguments is he is not popular even donald trump says he is the most hated man in washington if you are unhappy with washington would you have some attraction to the most hated man? a year and that is somewhat

perplexing with jerry falwell, jr. in pastor jefferies to endorse trump.re i am perplexed over that i knew his dad much better we were friends. i have been to liberty many times in the sun went to school there but it is perplexing because in my mind i would ask how you jump over ted cruz to get to donald trump because he takes the same position. so how do you jump over john kasich or mike huckabee or santorum horror ted cruz were the head their candidates to get to donald

trump? to make you have that isabout senator for a few years but those voters that is what you wrote about in your book that power and in the money dries washington. that he could come to shake those up. >> that is the perception and i understand that. i am as frustrated with washington. >> you are right. you wrote that is the perception. >> you come up here thinking washington is a sense pool but after six months you think is a jacuzzi. [laughter] but whether you talk about somebody who has been -- game to the system donald

trump has done it as well as anybody.migrants and has come out how he hired illegal immigrants on this construction job that ted cruz has and created jobs but his position is to create that right and fired it. that is just as important because if you create a high style environment that investment will go overseas. ted talks about immigration i gsa we have to be careful we are talking of both sides of our mouth to say this is what i want in a candidate

when you can surely find the same thing. if someone in my district supported we had choices but then you have to peel of little deeper to get to that basis. host: serving 1995 through 2003 representing a district in oklahoma and writes about in his new book and he said he would only be in washington for a while and then decided to leave after those four terms now chairman of the lobbyingfe firm here in washington. >> i just became president and ceo of feed the children in oklahoma city and i am pretty excited about that. we served 9 million kids in

the united states and in overseas every day we have to rent its 63,000 kids. i don't think you have to be in public service to serve.o bet when i ran i didn't think i had to be a congressman to make a contribution nettled think i have to run for president to make a contribution but whatever you're doing the asset to the people in england constituents that you served. host: a few more calls. >> caller: as a former republican reagan twice bush four times bob dole a hint then i got off the republican reservation.hat ar

so you all know lobbying company? do you have any clients that pay you to lobby with the tpp? don't answer right now. with those christian republicans they used to call people like me then c-span junkies i watch you when used to come on tv and it looks like you have been in doubt you used to look like a football player. [laughter] >> over 14 years you are right. >> good idea.tian. we no longer believe the republican party. he i'd rather have dinner with this interview with its it

then has dinner with steffi christian even with ted cruz his wife was involved with a steady that north america to take down its borders. host: we're running out of time.rust t we will leave it there. but his perspective you cannot trust to the g.o.p. view helped george to view bush with his faith based programming. i t what does that mean it? >> you will be saying this as an insider. i have had differences since i became a republican in to

establish a deeper relationship if people led buying the book can be objective to have a white banker that some blacks were football players and i was both parker that happenedory. over 45 days in one year later iran and he put me in the same category.. people are sick of blacks and football players. i had mine a democratic opponent.

and then to put it in his commercial. i have been on the "frontline" we have been on the front line to get the party to embrace and not discriminate space based entities to feed the poor and house the homeless.. so anybody in public service is. would consider them an outsider. but it is what it is in people will vote. but this is what i have done

with the black community to say if they ask for your vote hold them accountable. so if you are unhappy withou be washington, how can you be happy when donald trump himself is probably more of an insider than paul ryan. >> guinea he is the speaker. [laughter] >> good morning. i have the 66 trolled be known better in and i have followed your career over the years and i have to say my hat's off.

view did a brilliant job of what you apply yourself. what caught my attention and will assure book its and how you titled it dig deep. soul-searching to find your own niche isn't with the narrative coming out of your mother's womb and how the process begins is very thought were the end intelligent i have nothing but praise. >> you are kind in the more that we accept the fact that we are dysfunctional i

improbably mowerit dysfunctional but we all are it is just a matter of degree with that is made as our normal that is when we get in trouble it is a phrase that i use to say to get to the mountaintop there will be times you have to reach within yourself to throw myself into a the circumstance in order to get there. garett is many times you have to dig deep. was thinking of curt warner into a rubble all quarterbacks.

one wasn't drafted the he is in the hall of fame. nobody wanted him. there were times he had to dig deep. curt warner he was sacking trees with they gave him an invitation to tryout. that is what i am talking about. there is no veteran that won't understand what this book tries to say. host: alabama republican machine. >> caller: i was raised in the south as a democrat didn't vote because they did

not agree with the party. i a registered republican.rty aa is digest wonder why eighth because he put me back on the track i believe there what he says. host: have you always voted republican? >> no. this is my first time voting >> do you agree with any candidate to encourage

security to be hot style togu the protesters? would you encourage that? >> will we have that tape to >> via understand. >> but i said at the outset i don't expect mitchin the f mcconnell or paul ryan or i don't expect any other republican or demand any other republican to take onki the way that i feel i speak for me. >> he reminded me from the

congressman from alabama. >> the lessee being carried you i will never depend on million to feed my kids i jim moore then consulting i am on the lecture circuit but that is a false narrative. i have done consulting but that is not my sole source of income. i don't need that to make a living. b for the record i want to

clarify that. >> said the demeanor of what we have seen the attitudes i do not appreciate that but i can disagree without being hostile intent you can imagine the black republican of was the black republican a little more acceptableected today i was the first elected selfie of the mason-dixon line since reconstruction.lator.

i had a guy who said, a backhanded compliment but said i never thought i would see a republican elected in this district let alone a black republican.i thin i in the stand right there. a in to articulate where the last three years of a department store i played quarterback in the security guy was following me i

established that i finally turned around and said where you following me? he said i'm doing my job.tore a so i left and went back and confronted him again. my wife and i are in thisca store all the time people know me, no care if he were the president. so i went on i told my wife and i knew she would tell the manager. te said we know you. so i went back to him so the manager was talking to him and said i am so sorry.

a i am so sorry. i said i accept your apology but i do want you to know i have kids and grandkids and i would hate for them to come into this store and you put them through the humiliation that you put me through over the last 30 minutes.did not these are my experiences. i just want the gentleman to know they've made a mistake there is nothing wrong if you learn from them. >> thank you for talking to

our viewers i know you have to go. thank you

>> bernie sanders urs rust belt's rebound the reporter for "politico" thanks for being with us. it was the surprise showing hillary clinton had a double-digit lead? >> first of all, the polling was really bad generally it is tougher in states with open primaries like hampshire has famously bad polling just like michigan but this was way off. those campaigns told me that in charlie -- internal polling showed a tight race in clinton never thought they had a 17-point lead but the fact that they lost to both sides by surprise. >> a number of red flags bucolic foreboding? >> bernie sanders pulled up the upset because his

economic message resonated to those who feel left out. and the populist message resonated if you take out the name bernie sanders there is another candidate in then her running against another candidate. >> lanius take you back to where clinton left new hampshire urb planting a flag senator sanders was competitive. >> that was a big surprise and then was a head for a

while but she made flipped a focal point for over a month per ago she rolled out to with their own kids paying volunteers. and the fact that he is competitive is one of the biggest upsets. and this was a high water mark from those being killed in southern states the complaint to this area and then finally getting a the message from those black voters of the midwest. >> what is the reaction from

the bernie sanders campaign? >> it was in disbelief. and everyone is shocked. with the close victory to take everyone by surprise. and then to have a real shot and then he still - - is still one more delegates but he has a real reason to go one. and then with that pledge to get the counter totaled but there is still support across the country.

>> we do hear from clinton pushing the bailout message and will she change moving ahead? >> i don't think so. the campaign manager data conference call this morning they said they will double down. that bernie was not there for the autoworkers' when they needed him he supported the but not the t.a.r.p. funds ultimately because of the bailout so they will keep hitting him to say he was not there and they think this the winning attack.

>> was this just a bump in the road for clinton as she continues to accrue the delegates or is there a long-term concern sanders will gain support? >> i don't think there is real concern about her path but in the next few weeks it is mathematically impossible to get enough tint a longer primary and the shift has to be delayed. so it just means they think ohio and florida the next round.

>> a red flag for hillary clinton is the story of "politico".com. joining us from new york. thanks for your time. >> glad to be here. . .