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i speak to you today as a lifelong supporter in you and true friend of israel. [cheers and applause] as a newcomer to politics but not the jewish state. [applause] in 2001 after the attacks on your city washington and frankly the attacks on all of us that perpetrated as they were by the islamic fundamentalist, mayor giuliani visited israel to show solidarity with the victims because i backed the initiative for israel 100%. [cheers and applause] in spring 2004 at the height of the violence on the gaza strip within solicitude

israel the largest single gathering in support of the jewish state. [applause] it was a very dangerous time for israel and frankly anyone supporting israel israel, many people turn down the honor. i did not i took the risk and i am glad that i did. [applause] but i did not come here tonight to pander about israel that is what politicians do. all talk no action. believe me. [applause] i came here to speak about the future of american relations with our strategic ally in our cultural brother

the only democracy in the middle east of the state of israel. [cheers and applause] my number one priority is to dismantle the disaster with iraq. [cheers and applause] thank you. i have been in business a long time and have done deals. this deal is catastrophic for america, israel, and all of the middle east. [applause] the problem here is a fundamental. we have rewarded the leading

state sponsor of terror with $150 billion and we have received absolutely nothing in return. [applause] i have studied this issue in great detail, a greater by far than anyone else. believe me. believe me. it is a bad deal. the biggest concern is not necessarily that iran will file a because as you know, , said it has the problem bigger by simply running out the clock for of course, they will keep the billions and billions of

dollars that could deal does not even require iran into dissonant tone dash dismantle their nuclear capabilities. yes it places limits on the program for a certain number of years but with those restrictions expire they will have the industrial size nuclear capability ready to go no matter how bad their behavior is it is a terrible situation especially israel. it to focus on three things we will stand up to the aggressive perch -- pushed to dominate the region.

ism i ran as a very big problem and will continue but i know how to deal with troubled and how i will be elected president. [cheers and applause] every are leading in every poll. remember that. iran is the problem in the iraq, syria, lebanon, yemen and we will see about the weapons to support the puppet states hezbollah and lebanon has received sophisticated anti-aircraft

weapons and a gps systems and rockets like very few people anywhere in the world and very few countries have. of that serious side iran is supporting high moss and jihad in their offering palestinians $7,000 for every palestinian tone that has been destroyed a deplorable situation. iran is forcing military forces and it is absolutely incredible to hand them over

$150 billion for many horrible acts of terror. second to, we will totally dismantle iran it global terror network that is big and powerful but not big and powerful like us. it has terror groups all over the role during the last five years it has perpetuated attacks in 25 different countries on five continents. including in the western hemisphere iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism around the world and we will work to dismantle that a breach. believe me. believe me. [applause]

third, at the very least we must enforce the terms of the previous deal to hold their rand accountable to enforce it like we have never seen it enforced before. believe me. iran has already fired ballistic missiles three times that has a range of 1,250 miles designed to intimidate not only israel which is only 600 miles away but also frighten europe and some day maybe even hit the united states and the will not let that happen. we will not let it happen to israel. believe me.

thank you. >> guest: to hear something really shocking? as many know that israel must be wiped off the face of the years. forget that. what kind of demented minds puts that in hebrew? here is another twisted part this does not even violate the ideal that we have made. but those that do violate the security council but the problem is no one has done anything about it.

we will. i promise we will. >> this brings me to my next point the incompetence of the united nations. the united nations is not a friend of democracy even to the united states of america where as you know, it surely is not a friend to israel and with president

obama in his final year. [cheers and applause] >> he may be the worse the to ever happen to israel. believe me. you know, it better than anybody. so with the president in his final year discussions to bring the security council resolution of the eventual agreement of israel and palestine. in agreement post would be a

total and complete disaster the united states must oppose this resolution that i will use as president 100 percent. [applause] the people ask why it because that is not how you make a deal. they come to a table as they negotiate. each side must give up something those values that we have to do something in exchange for something that is required. that is what a deal is. something when we oppose it we bring together a group of

people to come up with something that will not happen with the united nations. very important to only furthered delegitimatize israel it is a catastrophe and a disaster and it will not happen. [applause] and further jury award palestinian terrorism because just last week a west point graduate, a phenomenal young person who served in iraq and afghanistan was murdered in the streets by a knife wielding palestinian. you don't leave florida behavior like that. you cannot do it. [applause]

there is only one way you treat that behavior per you have to confront it. it is it's up to the united nations is the parties that must ago she irresolution themselves they have no choice. or it will never hold up anyway. the united states can be useful as a facilitator of negotiations and nobody should tell israel that it must abide by salt agreement made by others thousands of miles away that don't really know what is happening to israel or anything in the area. we will not let that happen. [cheers and applause]

when i'm president, believe me, i will veto any attempt by the u.n. to impose its will on the jewish state it will be vetoed 100 percent. i know. that is what i do. one and of the best-selling so i would be very diplomatic. [laughter] i take it is number one but why take the chance? [laughter] one of the all-time best selling books about deals and deal making comments to make a great deal you need to willing participants.

israel has been trying to sit down at the negotiating table without preconditions for years. at camp david day prime minister made the incredible offer maybe even too generous and arafat's rejected it. into making equally generous offer then john kerry tried to come up and they did not even respond to the secretary of state of the united states of america they did not even respond. when i become president the days of trading israel like a second-class citizen will end on day number one.

thank you. when i say some day i'd be dead. [laughter] -- i mean it. i will meet with prime minister did audion who immediately i know him many years and work closely together to help bring stability and peace to israel and the entire region. meanwhile every single day children are taught to hate israel and the jews and it has to stop. [applause] when you live in a society where the firefighters are the heroes little kids want

to be firefighters were athletes and movie stars are the heroes little kids want to be athletes and movie stars. the heros of those murder the judge used we cannot let this happen and any longer. you cannot achieve peace as a tremendous barrier to peace it is a horrible way to think a value that cannot be broken. believe me. [applause] you'll have a culture of hatred is to achieve peace

that have to go out and start the educational process and the education of hatred. now. is real does not made public squares after terrorists. israel does not pay its children to stab brando palestinians. if he constantly applies pressure and to reward to the enemies. [cheers and applause]

and you can see that happening all the time included former secretary of state hillary clinton and who is a total disaster by the way. [cheers and applause] she and president obama have treated israel very, very badly. but it has repeated itself over and over and has done nothing to emboldened those who hate america. with the help that they would magically joint the world community and it didn't happen. president obama they said applying pressure to israel will force the issue but that it is precisely the opposite. we have half the population

of palestine has been taken over by a palestinian isis in the other half refuses to confront so it is a very difficult situation that will never be solved of less you have great leadership right here in the united states one way or the other we will get it solved. [applause] with the united states stands with israel the chances of peace prize exponentially. that is what will happen when donald trump is president of the united states. [cheers and applause] we will move the american n and ec to the eternal capital of the people of jerusalem. [cheers and applause]

we will send a clear signal between america and the most reliable ally, the state of israel. the palestinians must come to the table the way in the bond between the united states and israel is unbreakable. they must cut and to the table to be committed on a daily basis they must do that. and they must come to the

table willing to except that israel is a jewish state and will for ever exist as a jewish state. >> i love the people in this room and i loved israel i had been with israel so long i have received some of my greatest honors my father before me is incredible we are about to have a beautiful jewish baby. [cheers and applause] in fact, it could be happening right now which be very nice. they key very much has been

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with their baggage and then out on the field. >> your name? >> the day starts with icebreakers. you are right here. the next morning they have their tournaments'. >> first of all, we just want to introduce kids to baseball whether their arab

or jewish. . . >> for me as an arab i am jewish, this whole thing is really great. i think maybe this program kids will be able to understand more. i don't think you need to wait for the chance to be we can be the change. >> baseball is a good vehicle i think because there is a lot of life lessons that you can learn through baseball and a lot of educational tools you can through baseball. >> just the one thing we always talk about here.

>> respect. >> can you say it in hebrew? >> baseball is not yet part of is really culture, but i emphasize the at. we are making trying hard to make it part of israel. so now we have a bunch of kids who love baseball so the next step is to set up baseball and this is how we are doing it. town by town we will make baseball part of the israeli tapestry. >> this program is not just about baseball. >> it's really important because from this age we are willing to learn that everybody is kind of the same. they are not different, because they are not. they're just like us.

>> i hope we will be able to see each other again. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we sound good. >> ladieand gentlemen, please well, from baseball, -- >> hello. this is my friend. we have met we would not have

met if it were not for baseball. now we are friends. it is about respect and the game. we are excited to be here in washington with you. and thank you. and we hope you will come out and play. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> god bless aipac. [applause]. i am thrilled to be here with you today. let me say at the outset, perhaps to the surprise of the previous speaker, palestine has not existed since 1948. [applause]. on wednesday night of this week, in synagogues across the world, jewish people will read the

michaela which tells the story, the miraculous rescue [applause]. the miraculous rescue of the jewish people from the hands of a wicked persian king. when the evildoer haman went to kill the jews he describes them as a nation that is scattered and spread out. the town with that the jewish people at the time were divided amongst themselves. the the lesson is when the forces of good are divided, evil can prevail. but when we come together in unity, together we can defeat tyrants [applause]. today, we are reliving history. facing a similar time of challenge for america and for

israel. but today i give you a word of hope, in the next few months we will bring this country together, first by unifying the republican party and then by reaching out and building a coalition of young people, hispanics, african-americans, women, blue-collar workers, jewish voters, and reagan democrats. [applause]. which will lead to a commanding victory in november that unifies this country brings us together. [applause]. standing together america will stand with israel and defeat radical islamic terrorism. [applause]. i want to thank the delegates,

the over 18,000 people here, the 4000 young people, the leaders of the pro-israel moment who are gathered here today. [applause]. you will play a critical leadership role in making this happen and bringing us together. indeed, just today my colleague lindsey graham very kindly hosted an event for me here which should delay any doubt anyone might have that the guide of abraham, isaac and jacob can still do miracles. [laughter] i want to begin by asking all of us to remember taylor force. a texan who hailed from lubbock, and eagle scout, west point graduate, an army veteran. on march 8 he was stabbed to death by palestinian terrorists. the terrorists did not ask for his passport, influenced by the

relentless campaign of incitement that has fostered genocidal hatred towards the jews, all he cared about was injuring or killing as many civilians as possible. at least ten people were wounded by the time the terrorist was neutralized. the brutal murder of taylor force was yet another reminder that america and israel are in the fight together against radical islamic terrorists. [applause]. we need a president who will be a champion for america. we need a president who will be a champion for israel. [applause]. in my time in the senate i have endeavored to do both. in the four years i've been serving in the senate i've been privileged to travel three times to the state of israel. [applause]. i had the great privilege of

seeing the hospital in northern israel where they had treated over 1000 refugees from syria, syria, wounded in that horrible syrian civil war and did so free of charge, showing the heart and character of the people of israel [applause]. when the nation of iran named as their ambassador of the united nation, a a known terrorist who participated in holding americans hostage in the late 1970s, people in washington said there was nothing we can do. i was proud to introduce legislation bearing barring him from coming to america. that pass the senate 100 - zero. it passed the house at 435 - zero and it was signed into law by president obama [applause].

when israel was facing relentless rocket attacks from hamas and the prayers from all of us and people across the world were with israel, the prime minister observed and said we are using missile defense to protector civilians. they are using their civilians to protect their missiles. i entirely agree with the prime minister and yahoo, if they would place their headquarters in the basement of a hospital. and i would note that hillary clinton, 2014 explain this as follows, "hamas puts its missiles, its rockets in civilian areas. part of it is between cousins

gaza is pretty small and it is densely populated. ". with all respect the reason they are in schools is not because gaza small it's because hamas are terrorist monsters using children as human shields. [applause]. [applause]. i was proud to join with new york democrat kiersten in authoring or resolution condemning hamas's use of human shield as a work time and that resolution passed both houses of congress unanimously [applause]. amidst the rocket attacks we saw the obama administration cancel civilian airline flights into

the nation of israel. when that happened i publicly asked the question, did this administration just launch an economic boycott on the nation of israel? [applause]. the administration does not banned flights into pakistan, does not banned flights into yemen, does not does not banned flights into afghanistan, indeed did not banned flights much into ukraine and they just saw a passenger airliner shot down by a russian missile [applause]. so i exactly was the disproportionate sanction put on israel, because one rocket fell harmlessly 1 mile away from the airport, one of the safest airports in the world? and why was that time to coincide with john kerry arriving in the middle east with 47,000,000 dollars for gas a that that would inevitably end

up with hamas terrorist? [applause]. when i asked that question, within hours the state department was being asked, is this an economic boycott of israel? the state department said that question is ridiculous, we refuse to answer. so i responded fine, i'll place a a hold on every nominee to the state department. [applause]. shortly thereafter former new york mayor michael bloomberg road a civilian error line from london to tel aviv demonstrating it was safe to fly to israel [applause]. the result was the mayor bluebirds efforts and mine and that of millions of others and the attention became too much on

this administration and within 36 hours the administration lifted its ban on civilian air flight to israel [applause]. looking forward, as president i will lead to very, very differently from the current administration. [applause]. imagine just a few years ago if i had come to an aipac conference and suggested the prime minister of israel was going to come to america, address a joint session of congress and he would be boycotted by the president of the united states, the vice president of president of the united states and every member of the cabinet. that would have been dismissed as crazy, fanciful and that could never happened and sadly that is exactly what did happen with the prime minister came to address congress. [applause]. in a similar bang, my leading republican component has promised that he has president

would be neutral between israel and the palestinians. let me be very clear, as president i will not be neutral. [applause]. america will stand on apologetically with the nation of israel [applause]. so what does that mean specifically? let's start with today's persian king, the nation of iran. both hillary clinton and donald trump have said that they would maintain this iranian deal, although donald has promised he is going to negotiate and get a better deal. will my views very different. and. on the first day in office, i will rip this catastrophic

iranian nuclear deal to shreds. [applause]. this agreement gives over $100 billion to the ayatollah, the world's leading state-sponsored terrorism. that is more than military aid we give to israel. that is not not only unconscionable it is fundamentally immoral. if i'm president, the first day we will re- impose sanctions on iran. [applause]. and a mockery of this iranian nuclear deal, iran has continued with missile tests. including launching a missile with the words printed on it both hebrew and -- israel should be wiped from the earth. hear my words ayatollah, if i am

president and iran launches a missile test, we will shoot that missile down [applause]. january 2017 will will have a commander-in-chief who says, under no circumstances will iran be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons, either you will shutdown your nuclear program or we will shut it down for you [applause]. a year ago when the prime minister of israel address congress i was honored to join on a panel discussion in the senate about this disaster iranian deal. not a single democrat was

willing to join, to sit alongside someone who witnessed firsthand the horrors of the holocaust, who brings a moral weight and gravity second to none, it was both powerful and humbling. i am convinced, after this election, the american people will stand say together, never again means never again [applause]. on my first an office i will begin the process of moving the embassy to jerusalem [applause].

i recognize for years a lot of presidential candidates, both republicans and democrats have said that indeed i recognize some candidates have said that standing here today. here's the difference, i will do it. [applause]. as president i will do everything in my power to ensure anyone who provides financial support to the vdf movement, including schools and universities, will lose any access to federal funding [applause]. to the extent they have engaged in illegal behavior they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law [applause].

all of us here understand that israel is not the barrier to peace. it is the palestinian authority and so-called unity government with hamas that celebrates the murder of women and children, and insights and even compensates the terrorist attacks. if the palestinians tried to push through a united nations resolution to unilaterally declare palestinian statehood, america will detail that resolution. [applause]. indeed i tell you today, i will fly to new york to personally veto it myself. [applause]. [applause]. why on earth did a

cuban-american become one of the leading defenders of israel and the united states congress? i would say there are several reasons. first. first of all, i understand that standing with israel benefits america [applause]. israel is a liberal democracy that share our values. israel is a steadfast and loyal ally in our military aid to israel is not -- it is rather furthering the vital national security risks of the united states of america whether it is missile defense from iron down to david's sling, or or whether it is intelligence and military cooperation, israel provides that an enormous benefit to keeping america safe and protecting us from radical islamic terrorists [applause]. on a very personal level, for me

much of my view of israel is framed around a family story. my father was was born and raised in cuba. as a kid he fought in the cuban rent pollution, he was in prison, he was tortured. my father fly cuba in 1957, when he came to an american america he had nothing, he had $100 on into his underwear. he washed the dishes washed dishes making 50 cents per hour. he paid his way through school and went on to start a small business. when i was a kid my dad used to say to me over and over again, when i faced depression in cuba i had it place to flee too. if we lose our freedom here, where do we go? i will tell you, it is an

incredible blessing to be a child of an immigrant who fled oppression and came to america seeking freedom. there is one other nation on earth like the united states of america that was created as an oasis, as a a beacon of hope to people who had faced horrible murder and persecution, the nation of israel, like america is a beacon of light onto the world. [applause]. all of us here understand, as ronald reagan take did that peace is achievable only through strength. this is what israel understands when you are surrounded by neighbors who would drive you into the sea, somehow you do not have time for political correctness. [applause].

weaknesses provocative. appeasement increases the chance of military conflict, indeed i think this iranian nuclear deal is munich in 1938 and we rip once again catastrophic consequences of allowing a homicidal maniac to acquire the tools to murder millions [applause]. the way to avoid conflict is to stand up to bullies. it is is worth remembering that the same nation, iran, in 1981 released our hostages, the day ronald reagan was sworn into office [applause]. that is the difference. a strong commander-in-chief can make. together standing as one we can, and will do it again. thank you.

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we'll show you the remarks from the candidates. on c-span two, it is book it is but tv with authors in recent books from u.s. politics. on c-span three, it is american history tv with 20th century archival films on public affairs. earlier today at apex annual conference, house speaker paul ryan announced he will travel to israel over the upcoming easter holiday. it will be the first trip abroad for paul ryan as speaker after taking office last october. >> c-span's "washington journal", live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up tuesday morning republican congress women of tennessee on president obama's trip to cuba and her work on women's history month. democratic congressman of virginia who is the cochair of the new democrat coalition, on a report that group released last week designed to promote a

domestic american prosperity agenda into growing the economy and achieving political consensus. we also also talk about today's hearing on heroin opiate abuse and president obama's trip to cuba. it begins live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on tuesday morning. >> tomorrow night, c-span's road to the white house coverage continues as arizona holds its presidential primary and utah and idaho conduct caucuses. we'll bring you live result coverage and speeches on tuesday starting sometime in the evening after the polls close. >> when you you tell republicans participate in the caucuses a first online voting, we've been looking into this a reporter from the wall street journal, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> explain how this is going to work. >> we actually just got updated

stickers today from the utah secretary of state office. about 59000 republicans are participating on the on my boat. what happens is they complete a separate resident registration for the have to be registered to vote and they complete a separate registration to vote online. they get a pin number or a code essentially that allows them to vote tomorrow on caucus day, cast their ballot online and then they get a receipt to make sure everything was recorded properly. >> as your story points out it's available online at wsj.com, it's the largest experiments since 2004 in michigan. in michigan. what happened them, and why now? >> a couple of experiments both worldwide with worldwide voting. in michigan a a 2000 for about 46000 people cast ballots in the democratic primary election. before that that in arizona in 2000 another 40000 people cast ballots in the democratic

primary. both of those were break experiments but they never really took off. they were never replaced permanently by the state party. if we get 59000 person turn out online tomorrow, then this would be the largest experiment in online voting in american history. >> why has the utah republican party decided to do this now, what motivated them? >> a. >> a few factors, one as they switch from a party -- i mean a state run primary to a caucus. they wanted to keep participation high. one way to do that is an online vote. it makes the barriers to voting easier. they said why not just allow people to vote online and that will keep our participation rates up. as if we are having a party primary or a state run primary.

that was one of the biggest factors and also there is an experiment to it. a lot of state parties and state governments are interested in this. they want to to see if it is workable and how it works in practice. >> when will the online pulse be open and when will they close? also, how does the state party assure there's no fraud? >> the polls will be open on tuesday between 7:00 a.m. and 11:00 p.m. they close then and will be tallied it will be a quick tally and so the way the state party describe security measures is that everyone gets a receipt. if the receipt matches who you voted for than the state party did rick cord your vote. it's more secure in some ways than voting in a machine because you can make sure the state party captured your ballot. the company that is running it has done this in other countries and they say they have never

been aware of a security breach and it's similar to the rate of air as other masses of voting. >> other countries are experimenting, are there there lessons from those countries? >> on my voting is difficult. a lot of skeptics say that will we are learning how increasingly vulnerable the internet is. how vulnerable our personal data is. when it comes to something as important as the election there is really no good way to secure these systems from hackers and from people that would do harm or try to hijack these elections. a lot of countries have experimented with it but no one has really put it into play, trip for country that has had universal online voting since 2005.

it is an option there, you can also go to a polling place. so far they have not had any reports of breaches. it is only a matter of time before people start paying attention to this and this process expands. >> your story also points out this is been the largest experiment with online voting in the u.s. in a number of years. what will you be looking for tomorrow, and more significantly, what lessons can state parties and secretaries of state take from this moving ahead? >> will be looking to make sure there are no breaches. that voters are able to use the system and their votes are recorded properly. essentially that this will go off without a hitch. if it does we can see other state parties want to use this and perhaps governments to run some of the elections in the country. going forward it remains to be seen how secure and if it's

workable, and if it helps improve participation in the election. >> on my voting in the utah republican caucus is taking place tomorrow in that state. joining us is a byron tao who is following the story for the wall street journal. >> thank you for having me. >> ben get berg former with the real possibility of an open or contested convention, explain what this all means. first, what is a contested convention question what. >> a contested convention is when none of the candidates arrive at the start of the convention with the majority of delegates. by definition they have to contest to reach a majority. >> if there is a candidate with a majority of the delegates but not a majority overall, so they go in with the majority, what, what does that mean? >> there is a magic number which is 1237 delegates. you have to get more than that.

you only have a plurality, the way the rules are currently written is there would be balloting when delegates get their and to see if in that balloting a candidate can win over enough of the unbound delegates to get over the majority. >> a lot of attention on the republican national committee, rules committee. here's the question. what is the committee and how much authority doesn't have over the convention structure in 2016? >> there'll be two rules committee. one there'll be two rules committee. one is the republican national committee rules committee which will meet the week before the convention, come up with what amounts to a working draft. that draft will then be approved by the full republican national committee, historically on the wednesday before the convention starts. that document will then go to a contemporary rules committee which is made up of delegates as

opposed to republican national committee members. those delegates will then work through that draft. really they will do whatever they choose in their authority and discretion to make the rules for the convention. so that draft rules will then be sent to the full convention on monday, the first day of the convention. unless there's a hurricane. that committee will meet again, approved the rules and then it goes to the full convention for passage. the answer to your question is, the republican national committee rules committee is essentially doing a working draft for what the convention will consider. >> we keep hearing about rule 40 those put in place in 2012. many call that the ron paul rule. explain what that role was about and white can be change this year? >> rules 26-42 rules that apply to each convention and must be

passed by each convention for itself. so the rules that were passed in 2012 are not in effect for 2016 unless or until the convention rules committee passes them. now in the two previous conventions, in in 2008 and 2004, number i've been the majority of five states had to approve the nominee, ron paul claimed that they had five states, that would've caused a lot of messing with the schedule in 2012. so the rules committee at the suggestion of the mitt romney campaign increase the number of states to eight that would put in a nomination. that rule is not in effect for 2016. there is no rule on the number of states for 2016 until the convention rules committee and ultimately the full convention

vote on the rules for its own session. >> but there is a rule requiring delegates to vote on the first ballot. what are the rnc rules going into 2016? how obligated are those delegates to the candidates they supported in the primary? >> that is rule 16 which is part of the permanent rules and not subject to amendment for this convention. that rule requires that the delegates vote according to any statewide vote in their states. that was put into effect because in 2012 there were a number of instances where the candidates who came away with the most convention delegates had not actually won the state. the role was put in place to be certain that the votes of the primary voters who participated in the republican primaries and conventions around the country

actually had their votes reflected in what the convention did. >> is it safe to say the last time this was really an issue was 1976? >> yes that is fair to say. >> will go back in a moment to see both ronald reagan a president for, one of the moments from the convention and kansas city. what happened that year? >> gerald ford do not have a majority of delegates, ronald reagan was a most credible challenger to him. after after the last of the primaries, both campaigns wooed the delegates as best they could, president ford i think fairly and legally the produce of power that the white house brings managed to convince enough unbound delegates to vote with him so he had a majority of delegates on the first ballot. >> is a sign-up because in the film you'll see senator schweiger reagan selected as his

running mate before the nomination which was something unprecedented. >> unprecedented, may be capable of repetition this year. we'll have to see. >> let's get back to kansas city in 1976 will begin with gerald ford as he called former governor ronald reagan to come to the podium. [inaudible] >> of ronald reagan should come down to join us. >> is still signing autographs. [inaudible] [inaudible] they just delivered the alabama standard to reagan.

[inaudible] >> everybody in this great auditorium tonight, we are all tremendously pleased and honored to have ron reagan and nancy reagan come down [applause]. we are all part of this a great republican family that will give the leadership to the american people to win on november 2. i would like, i would be honored on your behalf to ask my good friend, governor bracken to say a few words at this time. [applause]. and kansas city if you look at one oh ronald reagan he went on to get the nomination four years later.

what are the type or president forward and are there lessons? >> there certainly lessons. there will be fewer unbound delegates in 2016 then there were in 1976 because of that rule we just talked about. but there will, depends on how close the front runner is to getting a majority majority of delegates on how big the pool is. this produced a great moment of unity in an otherwise divided convention. that, i would hope would be a lesson for whoever is in what position a 2016. >> mississippi turn the tide for general ford, correct. >> , correct. >> yes. they were the delegates who stayed as a group and they were able to put president ford over the top. >> if delegates were selected in june for example caucuses in iowa or you have on pledged, how does that play into the delegate

totals per candidate those that may not be obligated to vote a certain way. >> interestingly enough, june june 8, the day after the last of the primaries when california, new jersey and three other states are done voting, you will know to a highly accurate degree what each candidate's tolls are. the six weeks till the convention begins on july 18 in cleveland. you also known who the unbound delegates are. >> let's go back to these delegates and can you determine in advance how delegates will vote after they are unbound. if nobody gets the nomination on the first vote than what happen. >> it's the front runner's dilemma that you face issue because of the rule. while well over 90% of the delegates are bound on the first ballot, by the time it gets to the second valley, if there is no winner in the first, the state rules take over, under the

state rules, roughly 3/4 of the delegates would be unbound for a second ballot. now, is. now, is there a way to tell how they will vote? interestingly, i think the campaigns will have to invent terrific new databases to be able to track, contact, know who the delegates cap must be persuaded by, it will be a new and different phenomenon and an operation like we have never seen before on the floor of the convention. >> are the republican candidates right preparing for this? today have people who will guide them to this process? >> i believe i believe they do. each campaign has named a squad of people who will pay attention to the state convention and the state executive committee who will choose the actual delegates. each knows the importance of that i believe and are working

towards picking delegates and then keeping track of the delegates to be able to have them responsive on the floor in cleveland. let's go back even further, 1948, the 48, the last time a republican convention there is multiple ballots, robert taft of ohio was very much the so-called republican is establishment, lessons from from that year? i think the lessons from that year are that you need to keep track of your delegates. sometimes the candidate who is in second place can end up in first place if it goes to multiple ballots. >> let's talk about the state. if there is a contested convention, which states are you keeping an eye on, which one on, which one would have the most power of their delegates and delegation? >> one of the great differences

between 19481976 is the way the party structure has evolved. the party structure in the individual states will not have nearly the sway over their delegates that they did before. there are no brokers left in the republican party for a variety of reasons, having to do with just society as a whole, also campaign finance laws, but there are a few states where individual political figures will still have control over their delegates. john kasich in ohio for example, will have control over ohio 66 delegates in a sense that they were a state which he was able to name. california is one of the few states, and new hampshire is one of the few states where the candidates themselves can pick their delegates. in those states whoever wins them, whoever wins those

delegates will have a lot of sway. in new york state, it, it is a slate that is chosen entirely by the state central committee. so it is not exactly clear who those delegates will be primarily loyal to. in texas which is another big state, the, the delegates are actually chosen at the state convention either a congressional district caucuses or the statewide delegates by the convention as a whole. those will probably be fairly's free spirits but of course ted cruz's home state so you would give him some sway with them. >> i want to come back to that point. what is the republican establishment? when you hear that, who or what is it? >> i think that is tough to say in a presidential context these days. certainly it is the fundraisers, the fundraisers the fundraisers have not had a terribly successful cycle. super pacs have not had the power that they seem to have.

i'm not sure is the fundraisers. elected public officials in some instances will, when i hear the term republican establishment i think of republican officeholders both in congress and in-state houses around the country. the the way we do our delegate selection process now, it's not at all clear that the establishment will have control over the delegates, or how their states vote in the primaries. >> if your senator marco rubio with 169 delegates, he suspended the campaign but he can technically still raise money to pay off debts, does he control those delegates question. >> that depend state-by-state. what happens when a candidate suspends a campaign is that different state laws have different requirements on whether those delegates are still bound to that candidate or not. in a few states it will be bound to senator rubio so they

will have to fill in senator rubio's name on the first ballot. in many in many states the delegates become on bound. they may listen to them as a matter of loyalty but they have no requirement under their state law to vote the way he would like them to vote. >> so they do not really have authority over those delegates. >> cracked. >> let's hear the chairman of the party previously set on cnn about the rules and what to expect in cleveland this july. >> what the rule says is that in order to be nominated on the floor you have to have the majority of delegates from each state. by the way, that was put in 2012 for the 2012 convention. the rules committee for the 2016 convention will decide what that rule is. there is nothing mysterious about that. i tend to be a person who likes to keep things the way they are. that is not my decision though.

i'm not the person who gets to decide. the delegates who get elected in each of these states make the decision for what the rules for the 2016 convention will say. they're not saying anything that various, this is just the way it is. >> that the chair of the party. let me ask you about the platform process as well, as that included in these roles? >> yes. it is. in the sense that each delegation to the convention, each state get delegation will elect to people to serve on the platform committee to come up with that. therefore committees all together at that can budget, rules committee that we talked about, the platform committee, a credentials committee that will hear any challenges to the proper seating of delegates, and a committee called the committee on permanent organization, that in effect reinforces the rules. >> if you hear what the chairman

of the parties in the rnc in your former counsel is preparing for this possibility. >> you have the chairman previously said that. you have to prepare for all possibilities. when you have responsibilities for the convention and so that's the proper thing to do. it is now a possibility as we have read in countless articles going through the delegates. >> based on history and what we've been talking about today, in early june, no one no one candidate has the 1237 delegates. what is that process going to be look like from june until mid july? >> while it will be an interesting time for them. they will need to go and especially concentrate on unbound delegates, there are 116 unbound delegates from states that you not hold statewide

votes. the pennsylvania delegates that you mention which is 166 delegates that you know will be on bound. there is an additional 12 from candidates who dropped out before senator rubio did. ben carson got some, bush got some, and then the marco rubio delegates which is about 159 but slightly fewer than that because of the state rules that will have them vote for senator rubio. so the campaigns in that. there is no majority delegate holder will go to the unbound delegates try to convince them to come but with them on the first ballot. >> those delegates will be extraordinarily popular people. i suspect they'll have many visitors to their home. >> who determines who sits on the rules committee? >> that's determined by each state's delegation. once the delegation is chosen as

state conventions or by state executive committee, the member of the actual delegation to the committee will vote and put two people on rules, two on credentials, to credentials, to platform into one organization. >> when trump says he would be denied the nomination riots would be breaking out. so anyone coming in with the majority of the delegates but not majority overall, what happens to the delegates? how does how does the rnc prepare for the anger and resentment that they feel? >> i think the rules are the rules. as previously said in the tape they showed, the rule say that you have to have a majority of delegates to the convention. it is not a plurality. historically conventions have majority winners not plurality winners because you want the strongest possible candidate. you have to get a majority of your base agreeing that should be the candidate. that is the historical reason that you have a majority in the

rules. it's of the republican national convention rules is the maturity of delegates to the entire convention. >> what questions you have do you think the campaigns need test themselves with the delegates and what there'll be up to? >> the first question to be asked is, how do how do i went delegates in individual states? this is still about winning elections for now. the second question is, how do i go to an f states, either through through their convention process or when the executive committee name the delegates to win delegates who are sympathetic to my cost? then you need test the question of what things will look like on the floor. so again, on on june 8 you will tally up with the votes are, whether someone has a majority, how far they are from a majority, how many on bound

delegates there are. certainly in the rules there'll be a number of questions asked, and is now is the chairman said the majority of delegates in each state have to sign a petition. in a to be sure that you can get enough delegates to get your name in nomination. it may be that the rules committee you will ask a question do i i want to change that number eight? change in 2012 for pragmatic reasons having to do at that convention, when the 2,016,016 rules committee sets the number, is it evan tatian to a candidate to have that number at one, three, five, eight, 18, 28? it each campaign will need to make the calculation for that. once they know how many states it is and whether they have enough signatures on those ballots, there are number of other procedural rules, motion

to reconsider, motion for roll call, all of which require signatures from the majority of delegates and a particular number of states to achieve those, to make those motions brought before the convention. they will think about that. they may give some thought to who their vice presidential candidate is. again, and 1976 policy perhaps six policy perhaps where you think that out before the convention to get some of the unbound delegates. you may give give some thought to who the officers of the convention are and especially who the chair will be. you'll have to ask the question of yourself, how how do i get the chairs attention on the floor with it to 400 screaming delegates to get a motion that i believe needs to be heard, actually recognized by the chair. >> what that leads to the

follow-up because it would be a fascinating convention to watch. we never seen anything quite like it before. typically a republican convention has been a coronation. the apparatus in apparatus in 2012 with mitt romney taking control of the agenda and schedule. if this were to happen in 2016, the party was still very much control the agenda and you would have conceivable one, two, or three candidates. >> :

in the convention itself so that probably argues for starting things earlier on the first day trying to get through as much of the convention business as you can see you can get the messaging part of the convention as quickly as possible. >> host: a question that the chairman was asked over the weekend to all of this be transparent? >> guest: well certainly everything that happens on the floor will be pretty transparent if no candidate has a majority of delegates there will be more private conversations with the unbound delegates. so will be transparent in the sense that there will be votes but there will be a lot of deal cutting and first round deal cutting there will not be visible until the votes are cast. this goes cast. let's go is a longtime republican strategist and activist and former counsel to th