informed platform through which to eliminate the misconceptions about veterans so i would like to cite some of the findings. the veteran unemployment rate has been employment rate has been below every year for the last decade from 2015 to 2014 the average non- veteran unemployment rate was 13% higher than the veteran. income from 2005 to 2013 veterans had consistently earned significantly more than about homelessness, nonveterans comprised 91% of the homeless division while veterans comprised 8%. there are 578,000 homeless individuals and almost 50,000 of them are veterans so that is a small portion of the total population. posttraumatic stress disorder which many like to think of as posttraumatic stress and not call it a mental disorder.

there is a movement out there to eliminate the disorder descriptor. the department of veterans affairs estimates that only between 11 to 20% of the veterans experienced ptsd even when considering the 20%. this is a very broad spectrum and it's true the majority of the veterans do not experience ptsd but many think that it's much higher. if somebody pops a microphone right now or spell a glass of water and it made a loud noise, what would happen to me? i had a hyper startle reflex. does it impact my ability to contribute to my community? that's the other issue. i've been bitten by a large german shepherd and every time i pass a german shepherd, my leg hurts. [laughter]

so let's be careful how we define this. ptsd is a human condition not a veteran condition. 5.2 million adults experience into during a given year and about 7.8% of the population will have ptsd at some point in their lives. the four year college completion rates are higher among the nonveterans. 33% complete college and earn 28% however the veterans participating in the g.i. bill are completing the degree programs on par with their non- veteran counterparts. think about the veteran population. there are 21.3 million veterans in the united states, that is 9% of the adult population. the median age is 62-years-old. in general, they are more likely than the nonveterans to be married, have completed high

school and more likely to progress to college. though they are more likely than the nonveterans to have some college experience, they are less likely to have completed to have a four year degree however that doesn't exist for african-american veterans however. in fact many display significantly better profiles than their non- veteran counterparts. additionally. it competes at the same rate as traditional students. when i cite these statistics, i'm not saying we should continue to help our veterans. what i am saying is we need to look at the rest of the veteran population. the narrative focuses on those with homelessness, unemployment, ptsd but sometimes we forget to

enrich the lives of the veterans returning so they can continue to contribute to society so please don't say get rid of all those programs assisting the veterans. that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying let's widen the aperture and look at all of those healthy contributing enhanced resilient veterans that are helping the communities. and they are in fact more healthy than the nonveterans. they show higher metals of community engagement in fact over the last century from all generations they have outpaced the general population and their habits of civic responsibility they show more civic engagement as indicated by their involvement in the community. it includes formal and informal volunteering which is an important indicator of civic health. not only do they develop critical services to volunteer but they also are much more likely to participate in the political process than the non-

veteran population. and our young veterans have the highest rate among all americans but despite the fact that we -- i just shared a discussion by the journalism initiative that indicated a they suffer severe astigmatism and they are likely to have mental and emotional problems but that is holding them back to obtaining full contribution and meeting the potential that they have. many voices are calling for this narrative to be changed, and it is improving. think about organizations that are dedicated to responsible reflection of the veterans in the media and entertainment industry.

this very report is often cited i think it was just cited by the undersecretary of the army, patrick murphy's of er changing that narrative. i want to share the recommendation from this report we must all challenge the stereotypes and to dispel the myths and recognize the leadership so we talk about the challenges let's talk about those that are helping their partners pay some of the challenges we can all take a moment and learn about military history and the veteran experience. we watched the movies, watch the videos, there is a great one out recently. they did one about the evacuation of ten hanoi and saigon. take a moment to engage them in

conversations. don't just say thanks for your service. say what are you doing now or what did you do. the nonveterans worked together and there's something we can do as veterans. we need to tell our own stories. i often refer to the story as a general officer on the on and off base to say i could get in or out but i haven't gotten around to try to get the stuff. you always forget when you're doing a home project so someone will come up to me and say very often, someone will come up to me and say where did your

husband served? i get a little irritated and i usually say world war i. [laughter] just to see if they can do the math. then i say okay let me help get the story out there and i stopped and i explained i served in the military and my husband husband supported me throughout the years of service and i tell the story. do i feel like giving it, no but we must reduce the civil military divide. and we have to stop telling the stories only to each other. if you go to a meeting like this and this is unusual but if you go to the panel about veterans, guess who's in the room, who are we talking to? we are talking to veterans, people that like us and our stories and they think that we are wonderfully and we can pat ourselves on the back. we are not moving the needle. so, go to those organizations

that don't particularly want you to be there. tell the story, dispel the myths and let's change the narrative. my own recommendation ofourse is to get out there and tell your story. i have one resource i would like to share with the lieutenant governor and that is the preserve international guard forces. reserve international guard forces. the servicemen and women live in both worlds but they are often asked to keep them separate. anecdotally i can pull you over 75% of the people i served with though the difference between the guard and reserve, the difference between the two components. so i ask you to showcase the contributions to the states. allow them to be the ambassador that will reduce the civil military divide. profile them. they can put on a suit or they

can put on a uniform and they can speak to both groups but let's show that they are interconnected. right now we have several national guard units activated. colorado activated their guard for the blizzard. oklahoma national guard is now supporting the wildlife suppression, not wildlife suppression, wildfire suppression. [laughter] wisconsin just activated the national guard today. michigan national guard has been activated for the water crisis. louisiana we have for the floods into the drug interdiction and that doesn't even touch on all of those were on standby for the operation noble eagle. to protect the skies over the homeland they are ready to go up and scramble at a moments notice

so i ask all of you to share their story. you've got the power to bring them out. they report to you and their governor. so please, showcase them. so, thank you for taking a few moments to share this and i'm hoping that he will help us get the word out and slowly we will lessen the civil military divide. thanks. [applause] >> excellent. now we will hear from the director from the task force and the department of veterans. [applause] >> thank you very much. i think that you inspired me to tell a little bit of my story to start out. i'm a veteran. i was a young army officer when 9/11 hit. i was at ft. gordon georgia back in the day -- that day.

i raised my hand and i ended up getting a detailed and headed over. very soon afterwards in early 2002, i was in the middle east and was one of the first troops on the ground. if anybody is familiar with operation anaconda from that time fighting people in the army that had any combat experience as a matter of fact i remember going back to the port in alaska and i was the only one in the post along with a few other gulf war veterans that had a combat patch so i was like the cool kid at the time. and i had dreams of doing other stuff. i ended up getting medically

discharged and the va was there for me. so, i had applied for the vocational rehab program, was able to get it and go to the harvard business school. after harvard business school, i wouldn't have been able to afford it any other way. i was able to go there and i went to mckenzie and became a partner turned around at the fortune 500 companies. then i saw phoenix happening on the news and the secretary who was a bit of a hero of mine and became the chief of staff the same week that i came into the mission and was the chief of staff throughout and somebody i always looked up to and admired and it was unfortunate to see him have to re-sign three ira

member talking out loud saying i am working with all these companies to try to turn around and to transform the culture and the va needs that. shortly after i'm sitting with my family and i see bob mcdonald was named the secretary. he was on the board of one of the companies i was working on and literally a few days later my phone rang. how would you like to serve in the country again. that is something that stuck with me. my service wasn't done yet. it was cut short by a back injury. once you take the oath it is for life and you mentioned so many like team rubicon and red, white and blue and those that are doing so much great work and i wanted to continue to serve so i jumped in and continued to

serve. that is how i ended up here. i have been here for about 15 months. i'm kind of a private sector guy but i'm going to give you a very quick kind of overview for just a couple of slides to share here the first one is he likes to start every presentation that he gives ground grounded in the mission of why we are here to care for those that have borne the battle after abraham lincoln said in the inaugural we modernize the language here and these are the values of the va. they are developed by the secretary and his team. and when he came onboard, he did on board, he did a quick diagnostic and he found there is no better mission in the government and caring for than caring for the veterans and the

values are fantastic but they were not being lived, not consistently. they were in pockets but not everywhere. they look great yet he said my va is all about fulfilling that mission and all about living our values. we are going to turn around and fix it and that is what we have been focused on doing. but we also have heroes that are doing amazing things every single day so i will tell you one story. this was an e-mail i got about two months ago from somebody at the white river junction hospital up in vermont. it was a story going above and beyond. this too much of a fear-based culture. people worried about i have to follow the rules or saying no i

can't do this because of x. y. and z.. we want to be a principle-based culture and do the right thing no matter what. we are going to say the answer is yes and find a way how. this is an example of three people that did that. so, susan was the nurse on duty that day and the veteran didn't show up for employment. they have up to 20% of the scheduled appointments that are no-shows so this is something sharon knew and if they didn't, they would call her if they were running late, they would call it something wasn't fitting right. they told her don't worry about it and move on to the next appointment. she called the chief of police and john said that the person hasn't been missing this long. they said we are not supposed to do this, that or whatever. but he said you know what, let's

look into it. he asked him to go and track us down and say can you investigate this a little bit and he drove by the veteran's house and therefore no tracks, so he did everything he could and said i'm not comfortable with this. so they found the veteran wedged between two pieces of furniture, had fallen, couldn't access the phone or water or food and was about an hour away from buying. dying. if they had simply done their job, that veteran wouldn't be here today. but instead, they live their values. they left the principles and integrity and commitment of advocacy and respective excellence. they went above and beyond and today it is alive in the hospital and recovering. and we are using this storytelling to cause this happens every single day but not

as consistently as we want it to be. it is a cultural transformation that we have going on at the va. one other thing i will talk about a little bit as well, this is a chart that bob mcdonald likes to use our lives. she will correct you if he says that as he likes to say he is the lowest ranking member of the organization. when he walked into the first meeting everybody called him secretary mcdonald and announced him and everybody was standing up with records and he said you've got to be kidding me. this is not about me. this is about veteran's. we are putting the veterans on their family up front. those are the people that served him of those are the customers that came from procter and gamble and the employees are the ones that serve them. our job as leadership is to make

them successful and serve the veterans. that is a major cultural shift going on right now. it's not about the va. it's about the veterans. it sounds simple but if you think about it come of the behaviors are very different if you were all about the va versus all about your organization and and the person that you are trying to serve. the other thing i will say, we launched the transportation initiative and the origin of the term comes from we want veterans to be proud of the organization that fulfills this mission of caring for those that have borne the battle and unfortunately that isn't the case today. there is somewhere but not everywhere. we want them to say we served our time. we will continue to serve the

country. we might not be hold that we are very proud of what we've done and the va is the organization that helps us just like they helped me when i needed to go to graduate school after i got injured. we want the veterans to be proud and say it's my va. we want employees to show up and say i have the best mission in the world. i get to serve veterans every day. there is no place i would rather work. i don't mind that i'm not paid like the private sector. this is my life's work and this is what i want to do. unfortunately right now we don't create that environment for a lot of employees that we want them to say this is my va as well and we want the american public to take a look and say this is the model of efficiency. any dollar that goes in is going to go right to the veterans and is going to be helpful. unfortunately, as is and how a lot of people view it to be his

days and we are going to fix it and get more efficient. real quick, the strategies we are trying to work right now in proving the veteran experience overall, number two we cannot have a great veterans experience if we can't come if our employees don't have a great experience. if you think of the best customer service organizations in the world, starbucks, comcast, organizations like that, they are also the best places to work. it's almost one-for-one. if you went to starbucks this morning you wouldn't have had a great experience if they were not in power and take the extra effort. we can't get that experience if we don't solve for our internal problems in the acquisitions and all that sort of stuff that we are trying to create the

employee empowerment culture of the improvement where they are stopping the line and identifying the problems and fixing them on the spot. this allows the strategic partnerships. we can't do it all on our own. they are not in the best position to serve in every single case. we have the states. we work very closely with all the state directors and organizations and it's been an absolute joy. we were in alexandria a couple of months ago and i'm looking forward to seeing them again in san antonio this summer. it's been fantastic. the private sector, comcast, organizations like that. the chair man as the advisory of the board, fantastic partners. you mentioned team rubicon.

the american legion, the tremendous organizations that go and serve the veterans every single day in the nonprofits and we are looking to partner with them for the best veteran experience overall. the last thing that i will touch on is we also understand that we have a huge challenge and transformation to go on and that there are a lot of issues at the va as pointed out that we need to address if we open up the aperture of the very important things that we set our agenda for 2016 and basically said we are not naïve that there is an election coming up. all bets are off as far as who the next president will be if the secretary or president will

be there but it's absolutely no regrets to double down and get stuff done and leave the foundation that needs to happen to transform the department to deliver the service we need to deliver. on the left hand side you will see the priorities that are going to be veteran facing and green on the right-hand side some of the critical enablers in blue. for each of these, they've taken six and said we are meeting every week with every individual team on these for an hour and grilling them so we are figuring out whether they need help to follow, what we need to do in the homelessness meeting that we have that as an issue. he said get heather from kentucky on the phone because we need to work with them and push the agenda of their. who are the others we should be partnering with they have clear

outcomes that we are pushing hard. it is quite a challenge. adobe's got to do it and we are looking forward to continuing to partner with you to go and help serve the hidden heroes that are out there and kind of unleash that sense of service and pride and help people up on their feet after they've served. [applause] >> great job those of you now it is time for questions or lunch. [laughter]

>> first of all those of you thank you for your service to the country. i wear my 9/11 pin every day because it has changed my life and a lot of people's lives in the world. and you know, i understand where you're coming from but i never want us to guess -- i never served but i understand your feelings. i never want to forget we still have to help a lot. one of the things i'm finding and i've been working with the national guard for years while coming home. the truth is we are in a different world now. many of these men and women have served overseas three or four

times. they come home and they've been away for a year each time and i just really be these we have to have more programs for them and their families and the family is separated and it's hard for them to come back sometimes. i guess what i'm asking both of you we need to help as much as we possibly can. the fact that you talked about them getting involved, saturday i'm supposed to be coming going to a campaign meeting for veterans to teach them how to get involved in politics and

local communities. my question for everybody we see it in different levels the base level, we in our state start programs in the started programs and colleges that have resource areas that the veterans want to sit down and talk to each other because we are patting each other on the back end for the people that understand more. ..

but at the same time helping them, it's not a handout . it's a hand up. >> first i'd like to reiterate that i am in no way suggesting we don't serve these veterans. we have veterans who need as you said, that's a great way to put it, i hand up your call i'd like to say this is not a needy population. it's not an entitlement population. it's a population that is deserving of exactly that, a hand up when you ask what's the best thing , the best always scares me because there's never just one best. there are so many solutions and i would just suggest that we all widen the aperture and look at the whole veteran population and how they can help one

another and how we can help them by focusing on one sector. we can omit other sectors that don't meet their needs but that doesn't mean you exclude those in the very drastic needs. i would never suggest that but i would ask that that wider population that may need a small hand up to which you are doing, i read about all the states that have announced their success was better in homelessness and that's just wonderful. that's what i would suggest. if i want to call it one best thing, widen the aperture. >> a couple things and what you said with the multiple points really resonated with me. my only older brother jim already had seven deployments overseas, three to afghanistan, pre-to iraq and on to cuba and the strain that puts on your family is undeniable.

and there's a lot i think we can do to help them and i agree. i think widen the aperture is a great piece of advice i think you're showing appreciation is a tremendous appeal. and a couple of my own i think tactical things as well. the two kind of quick ideas. one is, there's a big push right now with the va on care in the community and partnering with the community. and there is a choice and everything and i know it's kind of stumbled out of the gate in a lot of cases as you probably heard i've been working with the private healthcare companies in your state and preaching a little bit of patience and collaboration and things so veterans can get the care they need whether it's at the va or private sector.

we have a lot of different cases where some hospitals don't want to deal with waiting to get paid by the government and things like that and actually the feedback that we've gotten from veterans is they don't want choice because the wait times are longer and the care is not as good because in a lot of cases, they're not getting the support they need and there's a lot of different problems for a lot of different people. i wouldn't say us small part of working together to do that and if you could help foster that over the next year or two as we fix that system, getting it in place so the veterans get the health care they need. another tactical thing that i think the madam from connecticut right? connecticut was actually the first state which we stood up in ida communities and we watched it and hartford, we worked with sean connolly on that and linda schwartz, you probably know linda as well. what we're doing and what we

found is in a lot of cases issues were getting resolved at local levels and they would end up going through representatives, through state, through the governor's office, through various different channels and it's just never getting resolved. and we saw a couple of models that worked really well. san diego was a model that worked fantastic where they actually had local community members convening veterans service organizations, state politicians, nonprofits, private sector and the va altogether going and saying how do we solve the these problems? they were they were able to resolve issues closer to the front lines versus these alternative going to mom ordad issues which took a lot longer . and we now have 36 of those in place today after connecticut being our first one.

these are mostly kind of citie . connecticut, alabama some other ones that have done statewide but these are mostly cities in place and i think if we can work together on some of those things to make them successful, help strengthen the communities, what we found is in about half of the cases like connecticut they created a new entity. about half of the cases there is an existing entity and the va wasn't at the table. where trying to fix that in a lot of different cases as well and get to the table where we should get at the table also to help on some of these issues at a more locallevel . >> governor matt michael? >> thank you. general and director, i'm from the south, south dakota. one of the questions i wanted to hear from you general which would be just outstanding is

what is the most impactful, exciting cool thing you're working on with comcast right now. secondly, director i think your anecdote is interesting from a proctor and gamble perspective though i think it would be good to have secret shoppers because veterans choice is a national managed-care program. it is an unmitigated disaster in some of your areas and i'm you know that and i appreciate your candor and a lot of it is the handoffs and a lot of it is the lack of communication and the inability even on the other side for people to understand what's going on and get the referrals so i think a lot of fallout is still occurring in ourexperience , i'm responsible for veterans care and the experience really is that it's just too frustrating so i won't get the medication, i won't get the referral. recently i had an example with higher level veterans as they lost all the records and it was just optic cancer, it wasn't

anything urgent that needed to be taken care of so i think that's the secret shoppers, there's a proctor example that bob should do that in regions and get different experiences and shop through it and see whether or not it's working or whether it's a charlie foxtrot. by the way, go navy. [laughter] >> dave, could you get that man a coin for answering that question about comcast giving me the opportunity? i want to tell you, i retired. i was not looking for a job. comcast came to me so i wasn't looking for a position but i found it was perfect for comcast and they i truly do believe in serving the military community not because it's asi said the nice thing to do .i report to the operating officer and i asked him, why are you doing this question mark if it had been the wrong answer i wouldn't have been there buthe said to me we need the military talent . we are growing , we have placed

the customer experience at the top of all our efforts and we know that military power can help us meet our customer needs so that's pretty exciting. i'm the first one in this position. they've given mean entire department . they funded me when i went in with my staffing plan and budget, i said this will be a deciding factor. does my resignation go with it? i have been so supportive but that's exciting that we have a private sector that has placed an emphasis on not only hiring our military talent, retaining, developing, promoting and then meeting the needs of our military customers. a simple thing like when you now call in to your customer care agent we have a code that we can go online. we have a code that says i'd like to suspend my service due to military reassignment.that was never there so you could if you were careful, and say i'm being reassigned and then an agent might say to you well,

that will be a disconnect fee which we all know is against the law and so to ensure we are meeting the needs of our military customers we've been real careful to ensure that our front-line agents understand the need as a military community and that we provide them the products and services they need because they are a unique group and they do bring in this amazing talent. you asked in addition to having a department which is very exciting, we are looking at transition programs well beyond hiring so we have a partnership with as cte which is the society for cable and public television engineers. they do certification programs for those moving into the table tech movie industry so we have a partnership with georgia tec , well-respected education institute, ft and clark gordon which is the signal installation.

individuals who are facing transition so you know about this, within their 3 to 6 months of transitioning out they can participate in private-sector transition programs. individuals while they are still getting paid from the government, they're not out on the street trying to find a job. they're preparing for the next step while they are still in so they are taking these certification programs with sed and coming to us at comcast at the central division to, think of it as job shadow or internship. they have no requirements to join us. we have no requirement to hire them but you can bet we want t . and then they know that industry, that we know what veterans bring to the table. where doing something similar with four parson, with higher level veterans. bringing them in for a 13 week fellowship while they are still in, putting them in high-level positions so they can see what happens at those levels within

the industry and i think that's the future of transition. very exciting. and were looking to do it across all the states so i'll be calling you. >> governor mckay. >> yes, quickly, thank you general. i'm the embassy from rhode island so thank you for calling out to the national guard and giving them a shout out, were proud of our rhode island national guard. yes, every opportunity we can to bring them to the statehouse and highlight the work that's being done and recognize the veterans we do that and as a mayor you did an operation stand out in mytown to , for the last 20years . it was a full weekend and four or 500 veterans would be rolling out so we appreciate the comments that were made but i have one kind of practical question. when i visit our va hospitals and visit with the veterans, tremendous stories and they

want to share their story which was interesting. i think i see now that people don't share their stories enough but in that setting they do but one of the questions was actually facilities. i noticed facilities on your list. they want to expand. the only way they can expand is off and yet that's from the hospital. they are sharing with me and i don't know that i fully understand but there's federal regulations against going up on facilities and i'm not sure you're aware of that but if you're not aware of that you'd like to hear about it because that's what was pointed out to me by the management team and the medical staff there that they need to expand and it's quite a facility that i know our veterans in the area of rhode island and beyond want to take advantage of and it seems they got the right motives and the right experience to do a great job but they need more space and the only way they can go is up so maybe make a

comment on that or get back to me, that would be great. >> i don't know that specific, i'd have to get back to you on the specific situation but that highlights the point of, let's first ask what is the right thing then let's find a way, yes and that's the perfect example. if the right thing is to expand up, let's figure out what is holding us back and on that one specifically, we actually are working with both sides of the aisle, congress and the house, white house as well on the legislation package. we have nine legislative priorities one of which is around construction and leasing and so i'd love to get more information to make sure we can get the specifics of that rolled into that agreement and be able to fix it because if it's the right thing to do that's what we want to do and by the way, i'm from massachusetts originally soul unfamiliar. i know they're a sister of rhode island as well.

on the secret shopper portion, i love the idea and i actually go to the washington va here and i send all my notes on my experiences to brian hawkins, the leader there and i think there's tremendous value in that. one of the things were doing that was never done before is we are putting together eight veterans experience team and deploying them to the field so were going to have 182 folks out in the field doing that type of work. as a matter of fact at 8:00 this morning i met the 12 folks that are joining us out east of the team so people from tampa and orlando and alabama and folks like that. they're actually getting those guys on board and i would love for them to be plugged in. i told them that one of their mandatory things, the first week i want them to go and introduce themselves to the state director of veterans affairs and if you could have

that on your radar and help us help you guys and help integrate into the local communities, that would be greatly appreciated. >> governor hoagland? thank you governor and thank you both for your service. just wanted to quick comments, just to underscore this energy that comes from a local and state and federal collaboration and partnership. i have a real pleasure of joining the secretary about a week ago, they came home to indiana, to gary indiana and its unusual probably for someone at that level to show up early but probably typical for him after spending a few hours with him and also good to see him get a self-guided tour of gary indiana where michael jackson grew up in basketball so the security detail could know from where he came from. but we opened up a veterans village for homeless vets to get them off the street and is really changed lives so i just want to underscore that on a

local, state federal collaboration and what really does because i've seen it on the ground and specifically what you alluded to scott, in my home township in indianapolis indiana we are working with the va, with the ymca and brilliant. and it's going to work and i just want to commend you for that effort in reaching out to all those local entities where folks are bumping into anyway in their ordinary walk of life. it's making a difference so thank you. >> that was a great discussion. thank you very much. appreciated. [applause] eyes i escort our speakers off the panel we want to ask our newest, one of our newest colleagues lieutenant governor billy nunez for him louisiana and the folks from the general electric. thank you so much. [applause] the national

lieutenant governor's association held its annual meeting in washington yesterday. they examine ways to advance federal state relations and heard remarks on oil market trends and what their current impact is on state economies. this is about 30 minutes. >> i want to thank, i'm so glad to join you here at nlg a and i want to thank you for reaching out to me before my election about your support. nationally in my state we are known as the holy trail oil, seafood and politics and as you can imagine with the swap and oil prices it's causing great pressure on our state budget. we would all love to fill up our personal coffers with the gas but the low gas prices and challenging times in our state budget so you're with us today

on some insight on the oil and gas market leader of general electric is ending, you want to join us up here? [applause] >> thank you. good morning. thank you for your time. my name is alastair hamlin. i'm based in london and i need marketing, strategic marketing for ge's oil and gas business so those of you who don't know the oil andgas , we are a large part of general electric. we plan across the entire value chain providing services and equipment from the upstream through the downstream to about 39,000 people across the world and 11,000 in the us. obviously keystone but also boston, oklahoma city, all along the west coast. and this is clearly a big issu

, what's going on in the industry at the moment. this is where i live and breathe, i think about this every day so what i wanted to do now is for a few minutes share with you our thoughts on what's going on in the industry and hopefully give you ideas about what it might mean for your state and how collectively the industry policy makers can help to get through this in the best way. >> the first thing to say and this goes without saying, no one really knows what's happening at the moment in terms of production. it's highly uncertain. it's very, very uncertain so what i'm not going to do is tell you what the oil price is going to be on december 31. if we have learned anything over the past 18 months it's that people are bad at predicting that. so what i will try to share withyou on what's driving the market , what it means for us

and obviously what it means for you. in terms of tax, in terms of employment in your space and hopefully if i can share the way we are thinking about this and give you ideas about how the industry collectively can move forward. so first off, why are we here? people talk a lot about returning to the 1980s and what they mean is that this crisis is fundamentally caused by too much supply. and that's what we believe. this is not a demand driven crisis. there is too much supply on the market and that's what caused prices to go down the last time that happened was in 1985. and after 1985 , industry spending, they stayed down for about a decade. and if you look on the grass here you see the red line down

at the bottom shows the current cycle in the months after the peak oil price and you can see we are way below all the previous cycles, way below even 1985 and a sense of where we are today but there are also some signs of optimism. the prices hereabouts back dramatically in the last few weeks, it's up 50 percent from its low early in the year. normally you would think that is pretty amazing. it's just that below was so low. but the fact that this is a supply driven issue means that we do not think this is going to come back rapidly. we don't think $100 oil is in function anytime soon. we're expecting this to come back pretty slowly. the general view i think most people share is that the oil market will start to comeback and balance toward the end of

this year and that will start to translate to increase spending by producers next year. that'sreally, there are a lot of factors . the supply of opec , what's happening here in the us, other parts of the world and then there is demand. generally demand seems to be okay but there are concerns about what's happening in china and that may decrease global demand and this is a global market. particularly now that the export balance is here. wti is competing in the world market. and there is frankly more financial play in what's happening at the moment than there was in the 1980s. if you look at the portion of trade in the market which has gone up dramatically in recent years. all of which is to say i guess like you, i hope the market is going to start to come back this year but there are lots of factors at play and we're not making any certain predictions. what can we do? well, what we need to do for our business is give our businesses some guidance on how they think about this market,

what they do because they got to make decisions about capacity, planning, how they deal with customers. so you see on the grass here there is an enormous range of predictions about what's going to happen in terms of prices. you look after 2019, estimates from brokers, market commentators range from about $60-$100. and that makes a huge difference in terms of what you think is going to happen in terms of activity, completion activity and production. i don't know what that's going to be. i'm sure when you have state budgets you have some scenarios but you don't know either. so what we're telling our businesses is, think about scenarios don't make any bets that depend on one outcome because it's going to be wrong . and in particular were giving them the two on the right-hand side to say what we hope for will happen is that there will be a slow recovery and maybe by 2019 we are back somewhere in the $70-$80 range.

activitystarts coming back for 2017 and 2018 . that may be too optimistic. it may be too pessimistic. we don't know. for asking you to think about what happens in the long term. if the price goes down about $50, what would they do? and in every scenario, we are asking them to focus on things we can control. ge is a big company but we don't control the oil price. no warning about what the oil prices going to be. what we are going to do is focus on the things we can control. you hear my ceo talk about thi , constant mantra. the things we can control in serving our customers to get through this because our customers are suffering at the moment and if we can help them to get through then they will remember that and it's good for the industry as a whole so therefore it's good for us. now, with that said we have a

viewof what's going to happen so in the near term this is what we think is going to happen in 2016 . and it's not a pretty picture. particularly for those of you here who's got a lot of onshore and conventional activity you know this well. where expecting spending in the upstream onshore to be down 30, 40, maybe 50 percent. and that's on top of similar reductions last year so by the end of this year spending will be down three quarters from what was in 2014. in some places. in terms of production, wide range estimate is that us production at a whole could see 4 million barrels a day bythe bottom of this year . that's not if you think about the royalty stream but in terms of retaining market balance. for the most important thing i think i've said is our customers, the operators, many of them are not making

decisions based on fundamental break even at the moment. they're making decisions based on cash. preserving cash. they're trying to preserve their credit rate and that is how they are behaving. they will make decisions about operations whether to complete wells based on can we keep the pumps going? can we maintain our rating? whether we can come throughthis to the other side . if you're looking at the rest of the world, unfortunately it doesn't help you guys quite so much. it's not as bad. it's down everywhere, middle east is probably the one place where spending may be growing this year. and then offshore is also down. particularly relevant to the gulf of mexico. for a number of different reasons. that actually started when the oil prices were well over $100 because the industry has been getting so expensive.

just to give you an example, every year we have a lot of our customers come to talk to us at an annual meeting we have in florence italy where we have a big facility. and last year one of the senior executives put up a chart that showed two very similar facilities, i think it was from the goal or maybe to the north of me and he said we built this in 2000 and we built this one in 2013 and they basically do the same thing. the one in 2013 cost two and half times as much. now, some of it is in reflection. some of that's the price of the deal. some of it is what i would call good regulation, safety, environmental concerns, some of it is either bad regulation or actually internally generally complaining by the company themselves, not mandated by policymakers which has just increased the cost. there was a great example that someone gave me was, you decide

you want to have a covered walkway from an accommodation module to an operations module. in the past it was just walkway and people put on their jacket. you decide to cover it so it's okay in colder weather. you cover it, you've added some weight. then you have to provide heating and air-conditioning so you've got to increase the power of the platform so now youincrease the weight on the guest turbines . you've increased the weight even more. suddenly you've added thousands of tons of extra steel and more power capacity and that's expensive. so i think electively we got to manage that and this is a message that we've been discussing a lot with our customers, how do weas an industry get this down ? that's the short term. now what does it mean in terms of position of the us? you heard opec talk about

market forces. it's kind of ironic that the global cost is the one telling us to go back to fundamental economics. but that's what they're doing and i was there a few weeks ago. some of you may have been there and the oil ministers of saudi arabia said clearly, let the market decide. if you look at where north america sits on the curve, on the left-hand side we have a view of the cost of production in 2020. existing resources are actually pretty well placed. so there's a wide range, if you look across the ranges you say well, on sure, unconventional's in the us and canada making somewhere in the $30-$40 range on average today. a little bit lower, some higher and that's okay. that competes well against the rest of the world. it's not too bad especially in the middle east. and gulf of mexico breaks

somewhere between 50 and $60 a barrel. again, that's pretty good. better than many other places around the world. i was speaking of the brits, the north sea has big challenges because it's much higher. the problem north america comes when you look out and say what about new production? and particularly unconventional where the decline rates are so great and if you look out in the field which are forecast to produce in 2020, you see those breakeven's go up. the unconventional's go up $48 a barrel and to the golf up to 35, $75 a barrel. if you are in a world of$60 oil in 2020 , a lot of us have problems. so as an industry we need to think about how to bring those down. a lot of the focus in recent years has been about getting pricing out of the supply chain, increasing productivity.

and be on the shore the cost to develop dollars to come back 20, 30 may be more percent, there's little bit more to go but not too much further to go. the off shore is on a similar journey but it's slower, some products are bigger. the question is how to keep that going? it's the whole industry needs to focus on. we need to focus as a provider of equipment and services. our customers need to focus on it and their roles that world organization can play in terms of regulation, activation to optimize the benefit for the state as a whole but also employment and activity. >> lastly, looking out, it's a gloomy picture but why do we still like this? the answer is we sce like the industry because we think for all the short-term uncertainty, one, it's not as pricey to us

as the sick industry. we all know that. but more importantly, this is driven by the world's need for energy. global markets around the world, people continue to get richer. they moved to cities, they need more energy and on the supply that from somewhere. and if you look at this big sources ofproduction gross in recent years, opec , feedwater and north american shale, you can get peak demand out to 2020 from two of those three. you make some assumptions about china slowing down. there's no way to meet that demand in 2025. you will not get there. our view is to get to 2025, the amount of oil and gas the world will need, we need all these things so we have to present an industry workaround way of making them happen.

that's why we still like this. why we are still investing in the industry of ge and we particularly like gas as well. we believe gas is a major fuel of the future. demand is growing twice as fast as oil. and lng is growing another two or three times, the us now becoming an energy exporter. that's going to be a huge driver of future energy production so what does that mean? the red light is flashing which means at the end of the slide. final thoughts, innovation and productivity are critical here for all of us. and i'd invite you to think about the role you can play and certainly ge, we would like to be a party to our customers but also to regulators, state in thinking about that. we need to get costs down because low costs will win but that does not mean abandoning a focus on safety and the environment. we have to keep the license to operate. there's lots of noise about the

oil and gas industry at the moment. we must keep the license to operate. we can't lose our focus nor can we plan on the basis of the rapid return to hundred dollars a barrel so collectively, we think about how we manage that through. this industry has a lot of legs and for many of your states will continue to be a major driver of employment activity and taxation. thank you very much. [applause] >> i know we were all holding here it was going to be $100 a barrel next year. any questions? that's a first. we've got a great mixture of oil and seafood in louisiana so we balance it well. course with the oil spill we balance it a little too well and i'd like to keep it separate but i have a great respect for the balance between energy and the environment so i'm pleased to introduce general electric's paul

doucette topresent and national award of energy and environment stewardship . [applause] >> it's always fun to be around the louisiana lieutenant governor because he's the only person who can pronounce my name right. i started in homewood more years ago that i'm going to admit to. i'm honored to be here asalways . this is an annual award for us. i believe this is the sixth year and by the way, thank you to the lieutenant governor. resolution yesterday or recommending at least the renewal of this partnership between general electric and lieutenant governorsassociation . as alastair alluded to, for us, energy is obviously really important but so is the environment. and so this award is designed to try to capture in some instances an individual policy initiative or a particular piece of work and in other cases a more career-oriented

commitment towards the energy and environmental balance. it's clear i think from what alastair said and the things that lieutenant governor has alluded to that energy is obviously important and while we all love clean energy and there are jobs and other consequences that are associated with that cheap energy , but we are also concerned about the environment and how hard you go along the continuum in thinking about that environment does not negate the reality that there is a balance point. there is a place for getting energy right and so this award is designed to reach out and try to highlight examples of in this particular case work in natural gas that has helped get that balance right from maybe a state revenue perspective so we

take nominations from almost anyone who's willing to nominate lieutenant governor to receive the award. it would go through an evaluation and in this instance we are recognizing lieutenant governor who has seen both the energy and the environmental benefits that evolved it to their particular state in using natural gas as a transportation fuel. recognizing and trying to promote and encourage the use of that natural gas for state needs, vehicles, state equipment to capture both the economic benefits, the job benefits that flow from the production of natural gas and also the environmental benefits from using natural gas rather than altered and alternative fuel. i'm pleased and honored to be able to present this award this year to the lieutenant governor from the state of texas, dan patrick. [applause]

>> i will be very brief because lunch is right around the corner. let me just say that our initiative, and i campaigned on this in 2014 was to begin converting our government fleet to natural gas. t boone pickens, maybe of you know that i famous oilman has been trying to push washington on the same issue and one of the things he taught me was, don't focus on consumer vehicles. the consumer vehicles are a long time down the line. there's more companies like ups is changing to natural gas vehicles for their trucks. more governments and company entities eventually moved to natural gas for their fleets and their vehicles. eventually consumers will follow as they drive those vehicles to work so for those

of you who do not know what, we have 31 senators. and as lieutenant governor i signed bill numbers so the top 20 those are reserved for my priorities. i assign this to bill number 12 and actually asked the democrats in san antonio to carry the bill and come to a natural gas summit. i saw in the audience the year before i was elected and he wanted to carry the bill so it was a bipartisan effort and our bill would've simply said that all of our states 28,000, that's 20,000 vehicles not counting our law enforcement vehicles. our 28,000 vehicles that through attrition over a decade we could replace 75 percent of our vehicles with natural gas vehicles which would have saved our taxpayers millions. it would have helped us continue to fight against the epa to clean our area and also created jobs and when i decided to push this legislation, i immediately went to the oil industry and went to midland texas and met with the oil

industry to make sure all the producers and drillers were on board. not everyone was on board but i'd say 90 percent were on board from the oil industry. the refineries were not in favor quite honestly so you had resistance from them but at the end of the day the bill i think passed in the senate 28 to 3 or you may know paul, i forget the numbers. you get lost in those votes but i do remember that one so i appreciate the award but i think it's something we need to do and it is a part of the future. before always going to need oi , it's very important to our state obviously, a major part of our revenue but natural gas can be a major part of our revenue as well and particularly since it is so cheap, to give you the equipment when gas was four dollars a gallon if you put natural gas on the same equivalency of gasoline, you would have been able to fill your tank to the equivalent of four dollars for about a dollar 80 a gallon so it saves consumers a tremendous amount of money. that's why we place that effect. i feel that the way we set

aside $35 million though we made it a policy for the state but we allowed localgovernments , school districts not to force it on our school districts or county fleets but they could opt in and that 35 million was to be use to build natural gas stations and i'll close with this. one of the things that tboone taught me was that to make this work you have to have a home . because we've got hundred 50 natural gas stations in the dallas san antonio houston triangle but you really need a hub to win the truck goes out with a school bus goes out there coming back at the end of the day to refill. you don't have to have stations out there. eventually they will continue to grow so that was the thinking of the school district or to a county government where your vehicles are coming back to the yard at the end of the night, you have their hub there to refill the left what we're going to do with our 35 million

and when the money ran out, it ran out. it's 1,000,000 and a half to create a natural gas nation and of course we do the program would be successful every time we would add more money to its so that's the program we pushed. we thank you for recognizing it. we didn't doit to win an award , we did it because we thought it wasa good idea . so thank you very much. [applause] >> if we could proceed, thank you all. now is our break time to proceed to our break area down the hall and to the right. if our award recipients and presenters could stay for a quick photo and the all awaited announcement, the twitter contest winners today. vermont lieutenant governor bill scott, sharing quick thoughts and bringing leaders together and progress before partisanship and jim woods of basile recycling institute for being so consistent in his photographic and content contribution so stop at the registration desk.

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he discussed arrive and influence of anti-muslim groups in america. here's a look. >> i'm going to argue today that a small network of anti-muslim organizations in the wake of the september 11 attacks captivated the media, specifically through emotional appeal. and though these organizations were once peripheral actors within the broader family of organizations trying to shape public discourse about islam, they know now raise more than $482 million to mount one of the most significant campaigns to shift american public opinion against islam. i'll show you how they've exerted considerableinfluence on our counterterrorism policy , the recent wave of so-called anti-sharia laws and perhaps most disturbingly, how they've even been hired to train our counterterrorism officials. and all of this of course occurs in the broader context of the so-called battle for

hearts and minds that we currently find ourselves in in groups against like diet for isis and as i will show you at the end of my talk, these fringe ideas about he's anti-muslim ideas are having travelers. they get picked up my international media where i think they do their most significant harm i tarnishing the reputation of the united states which was once a paragon or religious freedom and making it seem as though the us is in fact anti-muslim. thereby validating the claim of groups like daesh or isis that the us is at war with islam. >> that's a portion of what professor bayle recently had say on the rise and influence of anti-muslim groups in america. you can see his entire remarks tonight at 930 eastern on c-span. >> american history tv on c-span three. on saturday afternoon at two eastern, law professor jeffrey

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>> starting monday on c-span, the supreme court cases that shaped our history come to light with the c-span series, landmark cases. historic supreme court decision. our 12 part series explores real-life stories and constitutional dramas behind some of the most difficult decisions in american history john marshall in my book as madison said this is different. the constitution is a political document. it sets up the political structures but it's also a law and if it's a law we have the courts to tell what it means and that's winding in the other branches. >> what sets the court apart is the fact that it is the ultimate anti-presidential case. it's exactly what you don't wantto do . >> who should make the decisions about the debate and the supreme court said it should make a decision about those debates. >> landmark cases begins this monday night at 10 eastern on c-span and c-span.org. >> earlier this week the british treasury committee questioned london mayor and conservative member of parliament boris johnson on the future of the uk's membership

in the eu. they plan to hold a referendum june 23 to determine if the nation will remain in or leave the 28 member you. from london this is about three hours. >> order, order. thank you very much for coming together this morning and that includes boris or mister johnson. i suppose i can call you mayor. we used to have almost 6 doctors that i suppose i should declare that other extremely well.

we used to be in and out of each other's offices quite a bit years ago. you represent london. what are london's views on breaks it question mark. >> i can't give you any particular detail from londoners but i've heard i think that londoners tend to be more supportive of remaining in the eu than other parts of the country. i think considering that necessarily to and it had been to my position which is to favor a change. >> you don't keep an eye on the opinion polls. >> no. i believe in duty. >> are not aware of the polls showing, recent poll showing relatively few strong support for remaining in the eu. >> as i say i'm aware generally of that phenomenon but the national position is showing some quite interesting

data in favor of leaving and i think that is the right balance i might say. >> in your professional capacity you are looking also at the financial sector. >> yes. >> and are you aware of what they say in surveys and in survey data? >> well, it is very interesting. it certainly the case that if you look at the survey data you find people like cdi, the bank association generally tend to be stronglysupported of remaining . these couple points need to be added to that as they have been supportive also going into the euro, regarding essential for instance to compete in the single market, that turned out to be a disastrous idea and they were wrong then. they are wrong now. it's also interesting when you dating to these people's

opinions . they are much less strongly held then you might suppose and indeed there are some very distinguished bankers who are in favor of brexit and i think they're up to getting out and i think they're right. i've mentioned norman blackwell who made a very good speech the other day to the house of lords. sheila oates of our but not, all these come out and said they're in favor of us leaving and what struck me in conversation we occasionally have with leading backers about this is how finely balanced they see it to be and most of them will candidly say they don't believe it will do any damage to london's position as the world leading financial center. >> that is the overwhelming picture. >> are you aware of the more

rather than the anecdotal evidence of your meeting of more thorough work that's being done to try to upset these people? the people you're talking about, leading backers with whom you've been conversing? >> as i said i've given some examples i think of at least three leadingbackers . >> i'm asking you whether you are aware of any surveys that have been done. >> again i'm aware of the surveys and i missed the charity which again i do show a majority infavor . >> i've got to leading surveys in front of me. once by the uk and once by the center for financial innovation. city uk as data leading people in the leading edge of the legal profession, banking

procession and counsel tear, they split about 84 percent in favor, 16against . you may be right that their views are all lightly held and sachs will suddenly trigger the antelope in the other direction. >> i do think. >> the center for financial innovation holds 400 professionals on their contact list and they are getting slightly weaker support but still very strong. >> i sense what you're getting in your anecdotal meetings don't seem consistent and the fact that you are not aware, >> well i said i'm aware of the general thrust of the surveys. >> that's frightening and surprising. >> i'm aware of the general public and if i may say so , the same balance of opinion was heard about whether it was right written to join the euro, that turned out to be

completely disastrous course of action. they were wrong then, there wrong now. you're hearing very much the same sort of thing from the same constituency of people. >> i'm very struck by that point boris and we got that on the record. we got a point that youhaven't made, on your most struck by . >> i'm struck by how, as i say how shallow. >> yes but the. >> the enthusiasm for the european union seems to be. >> in your dartmouth speech you quote some open euro analysis i don't know whether you know that pro-europe analysis but you did this reaching that we were going to take a close look at what you had said about bureau and that we were going to know into some detail. you say and i quote, british

business that eu regulation cost british business 600 million pounds per week. have you taken a look at the methodology of that? >> this relates in the europe report from the most expensive 100 eu regulations. the actual cost of course of e regulation maybe even higher than reported . that comes to about 33 billion pounds a year and now clearly, when you talk about the cost like that. i imagine the point you are driving at is what would be the saving if you were to get rid of all those regulations and would you even contemplate getting rid of all those regulations many which might be beneficial and are incorporated in terms of uk law and some of them may be helpful. the point could be made is that there is always scope if we get out and change those regulations in the interest of

this country and as long as we remain in and as long as we have the 1970 european act in the way it is currently formulated, there is absolutely no way that we can change any of that corpus of the eu law and the point about you regulations is that it flows irresistibly onward and forward. 2500 more every year and every time the eu touches some area of law, it continually adds the area of law that it affects an regardless targeted . that area of law, lawmaking becomes subject to the judicial authority ofthe european court of justice. >> will be coming back . >> that is thefundamental problem . >> coming back to the 2500 pieces of the state point later in the hearing, i just want to

probe a little more this 600 million pounds a week figure you've described it as the cost of regulation. >> as you say yourself. >> have you taken a look at europe's own description of the methodology that they are using? they're quite reasonable description of things? >> as i understand it, i'm quite sure what they've done is they've looked at the governments own impact assessments in order to make their estimates and they're quite conservative estimates of the cost. one of the interesting things about open euro is that they been banging away for a long time in quite a eurosceptic way but romanians fine. >> when you make their own qualifications. >> i got a digest of the

points they make witches that they done it according to the governments own impact assessments. >> are you aware that what they've done is add up the costs of the cost-benefit analysis ? yes, i think i made that clear in my other answer. >> you are aware that of course if you add up the cost of the proposal without taking account of the census you always get a very high figure. >> it adds up. >> if you want to ignore the fact that the fringe might person benefits. >> no, of course not. [overlapping conversation] >> b+has something quite interesting to say. >> point of order, have you had a look at the full list of

cost and benefits that actually are used? >> it's interesting that open europe themselves, you talk

these roles can bring benefits across the single market. it is a pretty fair-minded and balanced qualification. >> they all say, however they also say that it is not the benefits in the way that was advertised. if i make a general point about the so-called.

it was with the whole drum roll drumroll of excitement about the single market that is going to lead a great period to a great period of european growth and dynamism and that cannot take place. we didn't get the huge expansion in employment in the eu or growth in the european economy. in fact the amazing debate -- >> these are all reasonable points. what i am trying is a much narrower question. >> he was very fair considering the 95% of the benefits are not. >> so you think we can ignore the fact they are considerable measures. >> you should also say 95% of

the benefits are -- the important point, however -- >> they made clear it may not be quantifiable. >> the important point is what you can do about the use regulations, and it is the view now that they are costly and burdensome and there's a great number of them you would concede that fall too heavily on some sectors of the businesses and the advantage would be that we could amend those regulations. if you look at some of the stuff , the gm regulations many directives and regulations emanating from brussels have either through gold plates in the country because of the poor drafting or whatever have been

far too expensive, or maybe they are not ideally delivered. >> the exercise to try to find examples of operating taken under by the government -- >> i am. im. inside of i am. and i know they struggle to find the examples. >> there are indeed some examples. >> you might send us a list of the areas only to speed things up. i would like to turn to your speech on the 22nd of february. sorry, the telegraph you say that there are ludicrous rules emanating and that this is the

reason for your decision and one of the rules that you cite, and i quoted it says you can't recycle and children under eight can't blow up balloons. can you tell me which regulation or directed says that children under eight can't blow up balloons? >> the commission's own website i would be happy to give you the number of the press release. the website said that adult supervision is required in the case of the use by children under eight and i have to say i do think that it is absolutely ludicrous to have this kind of prescription at a european level.

>> this morning that was placed on the packaging that's not requiring -- >> it's not prohibiting. >> even the european union would be hard put to prohibit people from blowing up. but on the point about recycling teabags which you mentioned, there is of course the classic example the byproducts regulation of 2002 stated that

it had come to contact and couldn't be. the council decided to interpret the regulation in 2002 in such a way as to forbid people from recycling. that is a classic example in my view of the comfort of the legislation with a overzealous british implementation which we might call goldplating. >> we will decide whether or not we want to implement it to say that there is a regulation or a productive -- it would be true to say some countries or some councils might have goldplated or some regional authorities might have decided.

>> but i think that you will appreciate that without the animal byproducts regulation of 2002 there would be no scope for the council to institute that and they are relying on the regulation as i say there's a separate regulation that forbids you from burying your own sheep on your own ground as they say. >> there are millions of these things and they are taken and used by the officials however well-meaning in such a way as to add greatly to the burden. >> taken and used by the officials on the back of something which is not something

that prohibits people from really striking a to say that people are prevented from recycling teabags. >> while they are as a result. >> that is a much better description which was somehow omitted. i think it is fair about the stockholm syndrome of the officials who obliged to implement or take an opportunity to implement a good legislation emanating. that is the whole point we are far more enthusiastic about the regulations than others in the taken far more seriously. one of the big challenges is

getting more housing built fast for the environmental assessments, whatever. slow down the planning process. and you have to wonder whether those would be quite so cumbersome and other countries but we do risk the bureaucracy in this and we do tend to implement it in >> from the speech and the article in the actions of the uk officials which cause a problem. without the regulation there would be no scope to enact the provision.

>> i've got your book here lend me your ears in that you say there really is european legislation on the composition. is that -- tell me where that is. >> that is to deal across the frontiers. they're for the funeral operators in this country that were keen to have some sort of a european provision on this and the result as far as i can remember the regulations on the maximum and minimum and i don't

believe that it was necessary for the the safe and successful operations of the market it seems like the single market is widely misunderstood free free-trade would have continued unimpeded without legislation on the size and shape and by the way they probably have to change those radically since they started getting fatter and fatter. it's a long time since i studied this now. this is something i seem to remember a. and in fact you're defending it

for the transfer of the corpses and there is no reference nor is there any legislation or as the uk a signatory so the story is a -- is your imagination. >> it's been a long time since i looked at it as a question about the maximum and minimum and my memory is that it was to do with a -- if you can provide that after the meeting we would be interested to take a look. i think through quite a list of either things to understand where they would say you either exaggerated or misrepresented.

>> the extent to for the judgment of others it will be prudent in the interest of generating the strong case that you add the qualifications in the time that you make these remarks. >> let me say how strongly i feel about this because there was a great deal of effort being made to the views of those that think that we should leave and to say that everything that we say about the eu -- you've asked me but i want to recount some of the things --

>> i've asked you to make sure that you qualify to provide the full view in your own interest for the case because it is the language that you use and your one-sided description of the view is an exaggeration to the point of the misrepresentation. >> i don't agree with that and let me explain why i feel so strongly about it. i mentioned we wanted to have two minimize the back and an organization called reduced the article that has been widely read and suggested it is not true that there was no such problem and they had agreed unanimously in the provision

that would've protected the new types to come. having studied the directive closely as i'm sure you have, too, this is completely not true. the direct question did attempt to modify from the aerodynamic point of view to achieve principally but got nowhere we needed to be able to see the vulnerable reducing in the in the way that we wanted. there were representations made

to amend the weight and dimension directive when we tried to do that but the industries fought the thing off and we couldn't get through the dimensions that were being passed through this country and it only happened a few years ago in 2012. so, i counted, the department counted, we kept making essential changes to the dimensions of the truck cabs in our country that would save the lives of cyclists. and i have to say that reading some of the stuff from the main account, i do think they should get their facts right. this is something that i have tried very, very hard to make a difference on in london and the

campaign to make cycling safer you have an opportunity to have a new regime that saves the lives of female cyclists and it's a great shame having the interest of propaganda and what we have tried to do by the remaining his remaining campaign and the fact is if we hand it over to brussels and we tried to come back -- >> we try to get beyond the misrepresentations of both sides with respect to the claims made by every question that is being asked of you is in that spirit you would acknowledge what in few very regulations you are referring to that the uk would have no say on the safety

standards and the rest would be left and therefore your ability to influence when they came to the uk would be very severely limited. would you say that as a restraint on the trade? >> no, it is a close measure. and -- so you would ban those that don't conform to your standards? >> it was for the benefit of the committee we are already pioneering the world's first in the urban area and we already are instituting the various requirements for all sorts of ways in which we can minimize the risk. this is a further step and it is technologically possible. basically what you do is you get

a cab and put it on the truck and they are fantastic and save lives. you can't do that at the moment. it's brought by one country in fact isn't it? >> it is either france or sweden >> the principle that you seem to be arguing for is a standardized regulation have i got that right? >> i don't think that you have got it right because what i argued before is the ability to. that is in the nature. even if it may be -- >> i think that it would in fact what he wanted to would visit would stimulate the market for

better and safer tabs and i think that would be a great thing. >> i'm a supporter of both and if i just follow up as i assume they don't wish to go around the particular if we had asked -- >> i think the problem is if i can be absolutely frank they've been reluctant to move as fast as the night because they haven't caught them in the state of evolution that they would want in order to take advantage of this market that other firms had so the french have been using their position in the the part of unanimity to block it

and if we took back the control, we would be able to make the streets safer. >> if i can move on to the wall that dominates because if they don't implement it correctly inevitably it is not because of the foolishness that must meet the products and that is the issue of the percentage of uk law that comes from the eu, you were on vacation to the house of commons and we created the two thirds. the parliament came up with a

new kind of advice that i wonder if you can give some guidance. >> the house of commons library produced another series of calculations that we have had various authorities and claims that say about 50% claim he denies he ever made either yesterday or today that inspired 59% and that's because you've got to roll together and think not just about the directives, but also about the regulations for one kind or another and they are very numerous and as you might say, as soon as the law

touches anything on it becomes a justified. >> the public law expert has evidence saying they try to quantify this can never be anything more than an inaccurate guess. within the bounds of inaccurate guessing would you agree with him or think that he is arguing his own point of view? the >> there are varying figures would cannot be what cannot be denied is that it has increased in law to be eliminated. so you are very happy with the

new figure and again they worry that when we compare the law and the the non- legislative measures with legislative measures and he feels that this is inaccurate and that you would have to include all sorts of regulations i love to agree on that. >> i don't know what point he has or what his perspective is. certainly i'm amazed at the volume and the amount of stuff i come across every day that seems to have the origin whether it is public procurement unlike some other european countries or whether it's rules by the

ability of the networks mentioned across the tunnels or whatever it happens to be. there is an awful lot of stuff >> with regards to the european court of justice or the single market people do what they like and ignore the rule book to you think it is possible to have a free trade area without the european court of justice? >> yes and i am very grateful that you raised that point because 70% of the trade we don't have any trade agreements all but in the areas that there are around the world's, not a single one tries to imitate the anachronistic old-fashioned

system devised by the bureaucrats. it is roughly double that of the other free-trade zones that i mentioned. i would invite the committee to speculate whether or not to. i might be rather how the computer of 2001 was basically it had slipped autonomous.

though occasionally they are thinking in particular of the policy in relation to a they didn't have the authority to make the regulation the market issue was on to make the regulation but it did go in our favor. >> i agree with that. on the other hand the single currency was never for the completion of the single market. >> no, but in terms of the cities of london they allowed them to move on to the clearing where they were trying to stop it. he think the wins we get our efficient for the losses that we

suffer and the undermining democracy that is implicit in -- >> my answer to that is the balance is now switched 20 years ago many of us would have said that it was in favor of endlessly give you a couple examples where we are thinking today in particular about how to combat terrorism and the threat that poses to the societies. i have seen various people say it is essential for the security and i think it is important to put the countervailing point which is there are some ways now for the european court of justice that is against the good of the two control the borders in the way that we want to maintain surveillance in the case of who tried to smuggle the

cards to him in prison. because the european has lots which is now able to add adjudicated and you have seen a the justice in luxembourg that the government and the states cannot maintain the data that's very often essential for monitoring the potential. now what has that got to do with completing the internal market, what does that have to do with free-trade? absolutely nothing. it is morphing into a political union of the kind i think it's no longer on balance in our