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diagnose in the fighting stereotypes and researcher figures. >> thank you and welcome to everybody. it's a great look. you've got my back over there. how about this. it's a very moving book and what's great about it if there is a lot assorted individuals against the system stuff, which is very moving and very real. the story isn't social history. it is really lately. congratulations, guys. i guess, you know, parallel to this about the book that related fascinated with me, but why don't we start where you started, which is how you both

got interested in it and what led you to it in a little bit about your relationship. mega relationship together, but to abc and how this became a big story for you. caren. >> 21 years ago i had a son with autism. not long after that, i figured out i needed to do something to try to help haiti and me understand better. i asked john to help me because we were a team of journalists working together. >> you saw your kid is a story right away. >> no. the truth of the matter is strong so my kid story right away. [laughter] we were doing this very intensive program, 40 hours a week, 25 hours, three hours of speech. we were going to beat this because we thought it was beautiful. for some people it is.

so a day in his life was really pretty intense. it would've been a television. john sent this to a day in the life and i said no. i think just as long as i'm not in it. but she can't do a story about a mother and her son if she's not in it. so they decided to do a story on the treatment he was receiving at the time and showed that it didn't help all children, but it did help some and sorted the whole idea was well birch begot abc news -- not the main bbc news, but "nightline." nobody's really talking about autism. >> people did know we're talking about when the rabbits or editors. they have maybe seen rainman and had a sense that they heard about it, but never the sense that it would be a story or relevant to a broad audience.

>> that surprises me a little bit because struggling to medical stories and help are an enormous part of the american narrative. i'm surprised nobody was interested. >> there's a lot of stories that come along and we are pitched a fitness center dealing with one or another issue like that. autism had that sort of profile. it's in picture was was inside until they said yes to it. >> hundred million, the book i think begins with this meant comment donald triplett, who is the first person diagnosed with autism. tell us a little bit about him and how you got to find him and develop that. >> long story short we did a series called echoes of autism. we decided we need to do something that would do more everlasting and really dig into

the history of autism. in doing that day came, why don't you tell -- >> we went through the grapevine that the first person ever diagnosed with autism, what we learned was not diagnosed until 1943. if that reason. that person we learned was still living somewhere in the united states these many years later and by looking for clues in the reports that were written up about him in the 1930s and 40s, we found out what tony was living in. we know his first name is donald, but in the the literature they only gave the initial of his last name which was tv. so karen is a superb investigative or order but also no set of dialer telephone when -- >> we did that. started going through the tedious in this town. and you had a monday.

>> a number of donald's, but not many in mississippi. monday i called and i got an answering machine. the machine picked up and said hello. i hope you're having a happy spring and you should have been a happy fall and even a happy christmas. have a wonderful 2007. and i hung up the phone and i called and i said we got it, we got it. i know it's him. >> this is our guy. >> in the last. there was no doubt. >> the two parts of this story come at the beginning part of a story, he was very come after a severely limited in his ability to communicate and ability to relate to people. he was a little boy who ran to their mom and dad, will pay him no attention. eventually he would spin it in this language was always called alkali lake.

if you said something to them, rather than answer you would repeat the question over and over again and that is a rather classic sign of autism. then you go for it to present day and the story was astounding. we got down there and we found a man. a little bit of resistance we met from the community, but we have met a man who at that point in his 70s was speaking, who was driving a cadillac, who was my golf and traveling around the world, lived independently on his own, his ilk definitely, definitely had autism, but yet grown, matured and flourished spec that clearly. -- spectacularly. but we think that is because of him and his inherent potential, but also because of what happened to him in that little town.

>> mississippi embraced donald. you can also said donald came from a wealthy family. his mother owned a bank and he was well did because the banker son. >> if you want to get a mortgage company did not bus at the triplicate. there was a little bit of truth to that. >> it's not just is simply -- life is more complicated than that. donald had all the elements and part of that was hit a few dozers academic community and community and because they were respect that, they respected donald and they embraced him. they embraced him so much that when we came down to do this story, we were told, you know, literally if we messed with donald, they would come track us down and find us and get us because nobody messed with donald. people supported him. >> what happened as he grew up, as this idea took hold and he began -- his mother used her

influence to get where he was not one of which is in the local public school. she used her poll to get them in the local public school and eventually to get a no-space at a nearby farmer he spent a couple of years just being able to wander freely and to have structure in his life. he worked with the farm chores. donald ended up getting into high school. at that time, you really see a flourishing in his personality. he was always three years behind everybody else. but the kids come you would expect them to be bullied and teased, which by the way it's an experience a lot of people of autism today in the public schools, we talked to those people from dallas area in the 70s and 80s and they thought it was kind of a genius. everywhere he went time, i was like the smartest kid in the school. he had that weird mathematical thing. he had a real affinity for numbers.

>> in fact, there's a story about him counting all the bricks of the entire school. be back true or not, we are not sure. >> actually, actually what is really great as this is a legend of forests, mississippi. >> it was when they asked by some kids we heard you cannot really fast. how many are on the side of the school building. >> 4362. i'm making it up. >> he tossed out a number and they all believed in. they all said while and they ran off and told their friends in the story still love 50 years later. nobody ever actually counted the bricks. >> or asked him about it until we did a handful of years ago. tell us the bricks story. she told us that he hadn't counted them that day. he just wanted them to like him. >> in the work. they really admired him.

>> is a fantastic story about donald triplett and the way the community embraced him and the way his potential was realized in an amazing fashion. i am assuming you begin there. the things that are to be most stunning about the boat and that is a very beautiful story is the history of the way mothers and parents were taught to think about children who we think of today as having autism wasn't always fair, but even when it was, talk a little bit about this because this notion that somehow it is your fault if you are the parent or that you institutionalize the move on. the history found i'm assuming you didn't know before you started. >> the interesting thing when we set out to find history that had been in many cases. we ended at piecing together mosaics and fragment. they are in interviews and scattered medical writings and we give them the title

videotapes and radio recording bitmaps and all kinds of things japan together. one thing no-space is well established with this refrigerator mother theory. i don't know if you've heard this term, but until may and 70 or so, between 1943 in 1971 when imam took her child with autism to an expert and that what is going on with her child, the answer was you did this to your child by failing to love the child enough. caren has met mothers who experienced this to work today in their 80s. some your contact. he spent hours with them. assad talking because it is your story, but the part that impressed me as it took hours because the shame is still there, even though they didn't believe that any longer. >> a lot of the history of autism is very dark. if you are a matter, this is one of those stories that are just heartbreaking. you are already living this life

in doing everything you can to help this child who is so different and sometimes so complicated and sometimes so disabled. and now you are being blamed for it. one of the mothers imac, her name was lee had tempered. it took her a while even to get the diagnosis. when she got the diagnosis, she tried to find a place for him to get some kind of treatment. they were doing some treatment and a new york hospital that she was able to get her son and two. the deal was the only way you could get her son into a program or your daughter with you with the problem. he needed to be psychoanalyzed and discuss what you did to cause autism. we do it with an educated woman and who had done -- does a lot about psychology had read the book and she knew this is my fault. i have to figure out what to do.

one day she is sitting in a session with a psychologist and she tells the story after almost three hours of talking. she hadn't told the story for years -- for decades as she tells the story to me where she says i am sitting there and all of a sudden i realized what happened. i got it. it was me. i thought he looked like a chicken. he was john davis. he was yellow. his hair was standing up and i thought he's like a little chicken. and i caused his autism. and she believed it because everybody else believed it and it was a tragedy at the time that it was your fault. if you're a parent and you have a child with autism, the first thing you think is what can i do to help them? if it is my fault, maybe i can help them. this went on and on.

>> good thing as it is so complex because you actually can possibly help your child, right? so this issue if it is your responsibility, the difference between responsibility and blame can be subtle. obviously if you're going to be like a mrs. triplett or other characters in the book and you devote your time to get rid of your job, and help this child reach his or her potential, it's a lot to ask of someone in a funny way. and away you are told this is the only way to go forward. i just think that the whole question of parenting today but responsibility we have is very well displayed in the book. we now live in a world -- this is where the story brightened somewhat. we now live in a world that has been created by things that took place in an attempted use, 60s, 70s and 80s around the country and a lot of times

in new york city by parents who decided to stand up to this attitude. the attitude had other manifestations. the shame associated with having a child manifesting autistic behaviors are so powerful that parents were told routinely to send their kids to institutions, to hide them. they were told that the children away and tried away and trying to move on and about their activities to their quote, i'm quote from the kids. >> these are not that parents. this her parents had called the sitting here. but that is what society said to do. >> dr. spock said to do that. and page 549 of the book, a recommendation that has been toward a child was manifesting some sort of vitamin a developmental disability that was visible that the child should be moved immediately from the parents control and put into an institution. it even said to have this

conversation with the father because the mother is probably going to fight it. the reality is many, many parents didn't send their children to institutions. not because they couldn't handle the burden but because the pressure in the shade were so intense they were being told you're doing the right thing. >> in some cases they couldn't handle the child. >> industry they could not because some of the kids would be so difficult to manage and not everybody is necessarily up to bat. but there is a solution to that in that solution didn't exist yet. >> where did you send your child? the school system legally we don't want you here. >> until the 1970s. legislation was finally passed in which the federal government said if you want our money, you never turn away a child. you find a solution for that

child. >> in that part that came from a political movement led by parents. >> it was entirely led by parents. >> the history of autism in so many ways his parental laws. it's not just autism. what would you do for your child >> there's nothing we wouldn't do. that's why we are where we are today. >> you haven't ancient battle hardened and you should talk a little bit. as a child i remember this is the guy, mr. child psychology and he's been completely discredited today. >> there were people in the room and for those of you who don't, he was a dr. phil and dr. oz to this day except it was all about psychology and psychiatry. he was given constant advice and movies and magazines to parents about how to raise their kids.

>> he wasn't dr. oz. >> he wasn't really dr. anything. >> it turns out his doctor which he picked up in austria was in art history. >> that he was a really good show woman. >> he commends the university of chicago president that he was a psychologist -- psychiatrist and he was given charge of the school that became a media magnet for the miracles that they were bringing about a supposedly in the treatment of children with autism in an almost ridiculously freudian way. one example. he writes in the book, a book where the theme is repeatedly the mothers did this. the children are afraid of their mothers. he talks about a girl who is obsessed with the weather. children and adults with autism were often obsessed with a narrow topic here they become obsessed whether its train schedules for versions of the model t. this girl is accessed with the

weather. bettelheim wrote -- there's a chair over there. he actually wrote, well, here is what was really going on. if you look at the word whether an break it up, it actually says we ate her and the car was terrified of being devoured by her mother and that is why she's obsessed with the weather. i want to tell you in the book with that sentence came out in 1967, the praise was astounding in "the new york times," the new republic. everybody bought into this emperor's new clothes thing about him that he was a genius and that is deep philosophical protection of what was going on with the children was astounding. that guy is a genius.

>> one of the things is this idea that the scientific establishment was just so wrong at a time and never took it seriously. today there's plenty of people who is said the community is wrong about everything else, too. your book, one of the things i admire his well you tell the story, you don't come out with the argument. it can be quite helpful in understanding autism. >> is very, very little in the mid-90s. two families independent of one another study the science. but there were no scientist because there is no money in autism. researchers to study something if there's no money in it. these families raise money and broadband and tired field of scientists who now research autism. we have come so far in understanding so many different nuances. >> let me ask you how little we

do now. one of the things that struck you about your book as we are sitting here talking about it sees we don't actually know what the contours are. i understand from what you wrote there's no medical indicators of it. so it's a set of traits that we ascribe and there's disagreement about it. >> how we define autism has been a moving target and fuzzy at the edges from the very, very beginning. the definitions in the textbooks have changed and then revise repeatedly shrunk and expanded and changed dramatically. that has many repercussions. one is that makes it very difficult to know whether there's more autism because we are comparing apples and oranges. it's very often cited that the rate of autism used to be 4.5 children per 10,000. well, we finally found out where that number comes from. it's very interesting in the field to throw numbers around

and say where did they come from? even the experts aren't sure where they got the numbers. the 4.5 for 10,000 comes from the 1966 study done by a man in monday and was given an assignment as a relatively junior researchers to come up with a statistic for the borough of middlesex, which is a part of london. they wanted to find out how much they should deliver in terms of services. he got a list of all the children who are diagnosed in one way or another with autism by sending out questionnaires to all the schools. he got back thousands and thousands of questionnaires and he then went with his wife who is as research assistants over months and months, one house at a time, one mental institution at a time to count how many children have autism. his problem was when he went to the textbook to find a definition of autism and looking for, there was none. they were all kinds of

conflicting discussions of what the condition was called. so this junior guy and struck to design checklist and he came up with account and it came out to about 60 people. and then he ranks the kids from greater severity to left. the amazing thing was that his point he felt well, i can't say they'll have autism, so he drew a line half way down the list and said those above have autism and those below don't have autism. he was very honest, by the way. he kept referring to how arbitrary this was. he said the line itself is arbitrary. out of the skin has statistic of 10,000 children in this particular place in england in that particular year have autism. so that is the baseline. even he said at the time i don't really think that stating the prevalence of autism makes much sense until you figure out a

definition. >> every autistic child grow up to be donald triplett? >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. that's the dream. but we need to do is provide services and help create the filling my for people who have autism. john and i tell this story at the end of our boat that to some extent we feel the essence. >> it is a scene on the bus that took place for real in 2007 in new jersey. there was a young man with autism on the verge of adulthood. he was pretty much a chromosphere of this writing of solomon to sit by himself and he didn't have language. he began making noises and he began rocking and slipping his fingers in front of his face. and this really agitated the two guys sitting behind him. they leaned into him and give them a head study, what is with

you, man? >> all of a sudden this other passengers stand up and says hey, he's got autism. what's wrong with you? what is your problem? i had to get off his back? >> they lined up behind the cage in that moment. in a way -- >> it is the essence of what we need to do as a society, which is we just need to embrace the person that's different than if the bully that needs to get off the bus. >> is not just a metaphor. >> that is beautiful. i'm not very powerful about, we will stop our conversation and take questions from the audience, please. so you'll just speak. [inaudible]

[inaudible] >> a power to summarize what you're asking, is there an banner scheme in place to put together people with complementary skills so that they make a pretty good team? the answer is not exactly, but sort of. people are beginning to recognize individuals with autism, particularly people who are at that part of the spectrum that they are capable of the defendants, that part of the spectrum for real creativity and talent of genius emerges, that

people at that part of the spectrum actually -- work can be found for them, jobs can be found. men of denmark was profiled in the book who started the little company called the specialist who has a son with autism and took out a mortgage on his house and started a company to prove that individuals with autistic traits have economic value. it sounds coldhearted. but he was really saying is having a job is the way to independence in life. so he started this company where he hires almost exclusively people who have autism and uses their talents from memory, for small detail, for understanding patterns to actually test software. he knows, however that they don't do well at job interviews. so he works around that. >> is spreading all over europe and is trying to spread in this country. harder in this country.

>> he knows that they have a hard time doing job interviews, so instead of sitting down where people would have difficulty making eye contact, he gives them led to assignments and puts together teams of people. i want to see how you work as a team to create a robot that can do this or that. so when his office is a primitive sandbox. that is a job interview room. [inaudible] -- positives and negatives -- >> share. right now the autism is caused spectrum. within that spectrum are people who are severely disabled and struggle with everything from talking to bring in their against the wall, to giving

anything even mildly independent. on the other end of the spectrum can be a college professor who just has problems with social skills. or it could be somebody who has a phd and is bagging groceries because they can't figure out how to have a job. we keep changing the definition of autism. probably there are autism. but then the spectrum, we find different types of people that would fit different. right now it is so huge that it's hard to compare. >> are positive of the spectrum, however. services come exactly. if you can get the diagnosis because of parent activists and who put it on the agenda over the last 35 years and for school to do something about autism, the diagnosis has real meaning

and role clout when it comes to getting services. [inaudible] >> seville -- facilitated communication. [inaudible] >> so you're asking a lot of phone that just about two guys traveling around the world who are not able to speak using spoken language and to communicate her typing. we have not met this gentleman, so we can't comment on them. the question of people who cannot speak finding other ways

to communicate is actually a very tangled one and autism is something we visit. there's no question today you can go to a lot of schools in the ipad has been a revolutionary development for children who cannot communicate verbally, but you can see them working with symbols and creating a sort of a sick grammar. that takes over a system that has been in place for many years which is the picture exchange system and that is where children are encouraged and taught pictures of things they wanted him to take things back and i was also a kind of grammar of its own. if you go back to the 60s, there was a woman harnessed a machine called the talking typewriter and there is a huge thing about the size of your refrigerator and if you pushed if you push to keep a voice with peak. so the attempt to get people to be able to speak has always been that end it's always been controversial because suddenly

the language that emerges from people who particularly in the early days of this were denied education. nobody bothered to teach them to read or write. suddenly there was producing incredibly eloquent language and very perceptive thoughts, that there was a scandal associated with this and it was the enthusiasm for a process called facilitated communication. >> we tell that story in our book. the book is just out. i don't know if you've read it. >> is a pretty shocking stories come as a it very quickly. >> the quick version is a teacher was facilitating for a young woman with autism. her father and her brother were abusing her. >> we need to explain what it means to facilitate peer to chat with in front of a table with the picture of a keyboard or maybe an actual keyboard and the

child's hands might wander around. it was found that one facilitator support a backhand hobbit perhaps like batter out. but the child independently with steady and reassured by that and began to type out coherent language, may be roughly in the beginning, but better and better with this. it was understood and asserted the language is coming for the child in the facilitator was merely a steadier of the process and out of this came off sounding language from people who'd never been taught to read or write. part of what happened is the media went nuts over this. "the new york times", primetime live, the television show did major stories about the miracles of communication from his children's and adults, by the way. but all of a sudden not one

place after another, the messages that began to emerge where my father touched inappropriately. an astounding number of assertions of sexual abuse were taking place. the fathers are almost always and sometimes the mothers and sibling were arrested and held on charges of abuse, assault. based on the testimony that came through this process. this is when the process finally got a real test because they were defense attorneys who brought in experts and you can tell what happened because it was pretty devastating. >> the particular story we were talking about was a lawyer brought in and asked for his studies communication between people who have autism and he had a very simple plan to be able to test if there was real or not, which was on one side

the person who had autism would see a picture and on the other side of facilitator would see a picture. if the facilitator and the person she was typing for at the same answer, we would note that they were communicating. in every single and stand, when a person with autism sought a photo and the facilitator saw something else, they typed the wrong thing because they hadn't seen the picture. it was a black and white test that this person -- you know, i want to back up a little bit because i do think the facilitators, that this wasn't her wishes. they were trying to do something awful to these families. they believe these children's voice for coming through them and they were delusional. i am afraid that there's a lot

of bad and it stopped after the stories got out in the 90s, but 10 years later we would hear about stories where people would be in jail because their child had accused them of murder, it's all about hope. >> it's interesting that came at the same time as other abuse scandals. >> well, no coincidence. >> a lot of these people who are facilitators for dedicated teachers who devoted careers. >> the important thing about this story as it is again the same theme of parental love and hope in what can we do to help her child. this was sent meant to be a distraught thing. it was about believing in your kids and wanting to be with you connect your child. it's a very sad sort of tragic

time in the autism community. >> will take a couple more questions. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible]

>> may be repeat the question a little bit. >> basically the question as what you do if you have an adult with autism? >> that's the point. who wants a mediocre home for their child? exactly. >> that is what we are trying -- that is part of the point we're trying to engage people in this book, which is to look at the past so we can have a better future. if you look at the pass, you never would've imagined it was so awful and that it got much better.

this next generation as a family, because that is who is going to fight for it, are going to change the world. they are a parody out there. people who are here today that are prior to this fundraiser, they are trying to change the world by helping to provide services and homes for people that don't have them. so we really are -- we figured out, not perfectly, but we've really improved light-years from where we were 50 years ago. her children. >> for children. [inaudible]

>> the question is what's going on in new york city in terms of services, particularly through school. >> i can tell you compared to 20 years ago, we have services. we have schools in new york. we have public schools. we have a charter school created for children with autism. when my son was diagnosed, there is nothing in the city. i had to make a home program. i have created from scratch. i had to fight to get the services. i wasn't even able to get the money back from the state because the people i was working but didn't believe and what we were doing. i mean, we have come so far in understanding the needs of children with autism. not far enough, but we are starting to try to support them.

part of that is because parents thought this was done on the school system. it is a cycle of. how else did they do it? >> i have a child that is on the spectrum. he is 12 years old. at what point, because you're always wondering how they are going to function to the real world depending on where they are. they start to develop them to begin the elementary school, middle-school and the different this become greater as they get older. so at what point do you begin to see our good indication of the ability to function. >> when you know how capable they'll be?

>> i watched karen worked as true for the 15 years we've been working on this. i'll let you take it, but i seem to go from it's going to be great too realistic to where you are today. >> i think you don't lose hope. >> you can always hope. >> the specific indicators to mention various things. he spoke earlier about my child has perfect pitch. but he goes on buses and announces all the stops during speaker. you would think you would find a place that the skills he is developing with regard to the demonstrative of being on the spot term. how does the transition from those actually functioning in the world? >> is a great question.

i don't have the answer. i'm still working on it. i felt in the early years that they're all the steps i could take because people before me had taken them. i was always on the five-year plan. now that he is 21, i'm okay. now what am i going to do the rest of his life? because you don't know how much more though continue to grow, how the change. adolescents for kids with autism is much, much later. 12 years old. you have five or six years before you hit adolescents and that changes everything. i don't think anybody can answer your question right now. >> it has been a great conversation. >> can i say one thing. >> is about to say john updike to say one thing. >> you miss the?

[inaudible] >> the other thing i don't knows aware of it, a barnes and noble this is what they have a portion of the proceeds to everything they are selling, not just our boat, but the coffee and everything to benefit organizations that we respect the law. one of them is known as cusack that has been around since willowbrook were shut down and all those young adults came out. she's accepted. parents starting an organization, quality services for the artistic community. they are our friends in the respect that they do a lot. again, we encourage you to step up for them and by 10,000 books tonight. >> new york collaborates with autism and starts the first charter school in the country for children with autism and is now working on adult services and adult homes in adult

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they bring your author after author after author spotlight the work of fascinating people. the mac booktv and in the c-span fan. >> was to recommend your new book, con job. >> democrats are doing the common of black americans and women. i argue in my book because the democratic party in my view over the last century is kind of like a car salesman. it cut off all these promises and pledges to black americans. we are going to make things better. we are going to make you smarter, richer, more educated. today black americans are none of those things. i talk about in "con job" have ahead of the congressional black caucus last year said that blacks were in a state of emergency in under the first black president, mind you. so i look at the democratic party kind of like a used car

salesman and makes a heckuva, day of release that address to me what to sell you a great product if they don't look under the hood because you might not get what you're voting for. with women, it's always the war and women. the abortion lobby is very strong and the democrat party. they painted under the still pro-choice. when i did some digging on planned parenthood website and financial report. what i found is by the time and the mentoring stage 45, three out of 10 women who turns 45 in america was had an abortion. they boast about it on the website is something we should champion. as a woman, i cited is nothing -- women that i know is that a tough decision to have an abortion, i don't agree, that is not something we should be proud of, but a statistic they boast about. those are just some of the highlights. when it comes to illegal

immigration, oftentimes what they found during research for this book if you go on the dnc website, they have a list of 50 different constituents. my mother used to always tell me a person who's mastered many things are too many people are usually master of none of the spirit a lot of times they will advocate the party for one constituents that cannibalizes another. there's no other example in my head at this, then illegal immigration. legal immigration is enemy number one of like americans. what happens when immigration increases by 10% illegal immigration. to the tune of almost 6% in wages by about 2.5%. yet hillary clinton and bernie sanders paid she's going to go further than barack obama did in his executive order she has to to allow the 11 million people to stay here permanently. that harms black americans. i wrote this book and the timing is perfect here 2016. my pokémon abu month ago to wake

everybody up to say about coming it enough to be a conservative like me. but know what you're voting for. have the democratic party suffered on promises to blacks, two women and liberals in general is that the book is about. that's more than you wanted to hear, peter. >> 96% of african-americans voted for barack obama over time. 90% african-american vote for the democratic candidate. >> and i think that is a tragedy because the lock stock and barrel both the blacks have given democrats over the last half-century have not not not, i don't think the parity with white americans that martin luther king wanted for us to have. i think in many ways it has kept to -- i hate to use analogies about slavery and all of this, but i feel it has kept us impoverished as a race.

in 1964, daniel patrick moynihan -- i talk about this in the book. they were born out of wedlock and we weren't president john could, which is called the family case for national action. he told president and if we don't do something about this, you'll see generational poverty and crime developed in the black race because at the same time when he had found a broken family and raging among black americans, he also sought an increase dependent of black women and single family homes, dependency on welfare. 72% of black vps are born out of wedlock. you can go to brookings institute or heritage and all the data is the same on the left and the right. a child who is born into a single parent household has a 70% chance of going up in

poverty in marketing and education. so i really want black americans to think this is an important election. who is really talking to you about what policies they are going to implement to get you jobs. not making promises about hillary clinton and bernie sanders. both have been in office a long time. you're never going to stop mass incarceration. we are going to bring black jobs and reform the prison system. all of these things that they haven't done any of that stuff over the last 30 years hillary has been running for president. she said every job under the sun. they are saying that blacklists matter, but for them it's really all about black vote. what have either of them done in their records to help improve the state of baath america? you think you have donald trump on the other side while he is making some statement that he needs to clarify a white

supremacist, the client and david duke. at the same time, he's actually uttering the word black americans. he talks about how it's going to do use black in his immigration plan by getting rid of jay one visas, which allows workers to come over here. nobody wants to replace it with? he is a great policy plan. he wants to replace it with the inner-city jobs they are businesses, corporations, you name it are going to be forced to go to a job space-bar young black people put their resume. this is innovative. enterprise zones. i want to hear donald trump more talk about that and really repudiate white supremacist voters, which you kind of did on the today show. he said are the first time he does not want their vote. he can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. >> crystal wright, we hear from

people in our call on programs on c-span about tv. black conservatives, i just don't get it. >> yeah, they don't get it. they don't trust me. i get called uncle tom, working for the man. i don't get paid -- virtually none of my activism is paid. i got paid to write this book, but it's a modest sum of money. i think the reason why it's because we do see it, i would say my party used a lot of black conservatives to their advantage and they use them as puppet. i think at a certain point there were times when ben carson when he was appearing in a certain conservative network for saying things that weren't authentic to dr. carson. i heard when i spoke at the president's prayer breakfast. what happens a lot of times is black has had a right to distrust some black conservatives because the ones that you see some tents propped

up through conservative media outlet somehow lose their identity and they are no longer authentic in their voice. i would say to black americans, however, many conservatives like me who i tell it like it is. i'm able to be introspective about my own party for mccarty says things like donald trump has said things like haley barbour who said he didn't remember the civil rights movement in all that bad in segregated when he grew up in the segregated south of mississippi. so i thought i could do. i don't paint all liberals alike. i know it sounds like it because my book on job as a critique of the democratic party. but what i would say is do a little homework. there's a rich history with the party of lincoln because that was a good party to. but black americans. mccain and his republican party where is created because they fundamentally want to break

away from the waves who want to expand slave staked out west. lincoln won a parity like martin luther king for black americans. the republican party top with third 10th, 14th, 15th amendment. there's a reason why black americans like me believe fundamentally that policy conservatives offer empowering by the democrats. i think some of that is going away because you do see after president barack obama's nearly two terms, black americans are frustrated, miley and others are saying i don't know if he's delivered on the promise he made and does he really deserve -- do we deserve to give him 90% of our vote? i think everybody should have their eyes light up in. i'm a republican but that doesn't mean you always are my vote. i'm saying in order to have any political power we've got to diversify political thought process.

no other race and i'm going to repeat this. no other race gives nearly their entire boat to one party and then we can claim the democrats don't deliver on promises. i think it's got to stop. i feel feel the way you have real political power in the lift yourself out of poverty. you've got to stop asking what a party can do for you on the party can help you along 18th. >> is the republican party comfortable with you? >> no. the republican party has a great uneasiness with me because they can't put me into a box. i am not going to use names about my peers that i like, but i'm not necessarily predict the vote. i think they don't think that any party should have supporters . that is what we are dealing with right now fundamentally. the party wants to be controlled by the gop establishment, which

is frankly an exclusive club. i've taken great offense to them trying to rig an election that donald trump is winning. a nomination process winning fairly and squarely. the establishment in washington, very concerned and disturbed they have lost political power, influence and money and it's made a largely of white males. people like mitt romney today who gave a speech and i couldn't hear at all. he gave a speech condemning doll trumpeted by the way praised for supporting his campaign. i find it really repugnant because romney ran one of the way of the whitest campaigns i can remember. i wanted to help his campaign to shut down at every turn. as a gingrich delicate, went on national television when my guy was not winning anything beyond south carolina and got behind romney. they romney did nothing to grow

the party. the party statewide what happened, mitt romney asked the black, asian, hispanic vote. the establishment has been a failure to grow this party. donald trump is doing these things and that's why they're mad. my party deserves to be burned down and built anew. >> and "con job," to people who are in her book, à la blasted for not less, the difference? >> allen west endorsed by both. he's a republican elected as a member in florida, a great friend of mine. i've learned a lot. very friendly with him when i was a congressman. cornell west is a professor of print in. cornell west has come out to support bernie sanders. i mentioned throughout the book because cornell west in my opinion is part of the race hustle movement.

i love him in a category without sharpton because cornell west is always trotted out that the mainstream media. when i was growing up, my parents never gave me a memo that i had to have black people speak on my behalf because my parents grew up during the segregated south and they were called the. my parents had to sit in the back of the bus in richmond, virginia. they always taught me to speak for myself as a black woman. ..