and say you have to work we are back to what we are doing right now. and to see these studies, there is a lot more research and it is fascinating countries in different places reach that point, and that ability having grown up in the world, and the fact that it is as varied is awesome. >> the data to look at the results we have seen, finland is another place, switzerland will lose the referendum, and anytime it is proposed, in the netherlands, data in a couple years and canada finding out how to devise their proposed

experiments. in these places you are still talking about it. and looks at whether these toss more benefits into the pile. and moving towards -- we have no idea what it is going to be because they loved it to the federal council to develop, one reason they will probably lose. let's finish it up. the last question of the afternoon. >> i have two questions. which may or may not be related. number one i was monitoring the twitter feed on the event and someone posted a question asking was there any rigor or sampling

to the interviews you did and are you trying to present them as representative of something? my own question would be if i am a person who knows a fair amount of welfare, has read a book or two, a study or two, what is the most original or valuable thing i would get out of this book? >> it may be related. >> there was not a scientific sampling done by state of who i talked to. this is what i refer to as random sampling because i randomly walked around and ran into people. as far as that that would be my answer. i interviewed whoever would talk to me wherever i went, went into different situations from indian reservations to tent cities in seattle where a lot of homeless live. it was representative of the country which was important to me. i argued pretty hard for going

over different regions because i thought it was important but i didn't take five women and five men from each state of different ages and do anything like that. i don't remember the second question. >> different take away. why is this book different from the 250 other books on welfare of the last 10 years? >> because i wrote it. i will start with that one. >> the most surprising thing to me and i think it comes through in the book pretty strongly is the importance, the central importance of work to a decent life. i as a libertarian abhor patronizing other people. if it weren't for the fact that

our welfare system is incredibly patronizing right now, i wouldn't be suggesting things that also seem patronizing. it does seem to me and this emerges from the book and it is very controversial but it seems to me that human beings are happier when they work and even when they are forced to work, even if they don't feel like working. there are those of us who make our own mountains, sometimes i do and sometimes i don't. a lot of people what i react to and deal with successfully are challenges put in front of them and it was an eye-opener for me and it comes through in the book

that a satisfying life requires work even if it is unpleasant, even if you don't choose it, it still seems to be fundamental to a decent and happy life. >> as a reader of the book, someone who has read a lot of those studies, and the poor in here, and they deal with people and you read a lot of books on our side of the debate the deal with numbers and the fact that this does speak to the people and the people hurt by the welfare system i do find unique and important voice in this debate and for those who want to read that, the book is "the human cost of welfare: how the system hurts the people it's supposed to help," the authors are phil harvey and lisa conyers and they will be upstairs

signing some books, please join us for lunch and get your books signed. thank you very much for coming. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> this weekend on booktv, the annapolis book festival from maryland state capital. afterwords the rise of elected women in public office with representative maxine waters.

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woman president. in coming weeks on afterwords the mother of columbine high school shooter dylan cleave old will discuss mental health and how she dealt with the tragedy. aol cofounder steve case will discuss how emerging technologies will reshape the internet. coming up peter marx will tell us about the career of the late aig ceo who turned the company around during the height of the financial crisis. this weekend ellen malcolm will recall her creation of emily's list, a political action committee that works to elect pro-choice democratic women to political office. >> we did that because we want to raise early money, by raising early money, they can go on and raise the additional money they needed to win so we were like little political venture capitalists, going out there, we were the kick starter for women

and emily stands for early money, we make the dough rise and we have been doing that ever since. >> afterwords airs on booktv every saturday at 10:00 pm and sunday at 9:00 pm eastern. you can watch all previous afterwords programs on our website, booktv.org. >> c-span created by america's cable television companies and brought to you as a public service by your cable or satellite provider. >> you are watching booktv. we are live from the 14th annual and apple's book festival in maryland where several authors will be discussing their books on a variety of topics including politics, race in america and drone warfare. we kick up live coverage with a panel call the american dream, american greed. [inaudible conversations]

>> good morning, everyone. welcome to the key school and the annapolis book festival 2016. i will be the moderator for today's fantastic opening panel entitled american dream american greed. ..