prosecutors, but one thing i think is useful, you pointed out we have a lot of correction officers that the systemwide view, it raises the question why, what incentives are we giving people. you. you have to look at the incentives. it really forces attention. i think that's one of values. again, i think this discussion has highlighted the inefficiencies of our criminal justice system. if another report of this to get you through our justice system. >> law enforcement community has been a great partner with us. they're very important stakeholders and it's important do send a message about what they offer really doesn't nothing but ensure safety

because of the steps or tape taking. i think that's a good point our working hard to amplify those voices. regarding immigration detention and your point, i think you're correct that it mirrors, and many way our broken criminal justice system which is why, we need reform among other things. i think the same incentives, economic perhaps and the like could perhaps work in that context because they are mere images of each other. >> we support them for the work that they do in this area. >> on the question of police and prosecutors, we launched a group of 135 police chief and prosecutors to reduce crime and incarceration in october. that is an incredibly powerful voice.

we have seen firsthand that sending people to prison does not bring down crime rates but smart policing does work. this group has gotten very involved recently to offer credibility to talk about the fact that it's not going to damage public safety to reform our sentencing laws. on the point of mental health, also, our prisons are the largest mental health institution in the country. over 50% of prisoners have mental health issues. one one of the things that we have advocated for is that many of those people need treatment instead of prison. treatment has been proven to work and be more cost-effective. >> i just want to emphasize that point.

the report also highlighted that almost 70% of incarcerated population has a history of regular drug use, something like 20% have 20% have a history of physical or sexual abuse. often highly correlated with mental health issues. it is not surprising that when they leave incarceration, we just say good luck and they wind up in trouble again. the programs that have been shown to work, in, in some sense shouldn't be surprising because relative to just, we'll see how things turn out, there's a lot of improvement that's possible. >> i think that's one of the messages that comes out of the whole report. this isn't like sending men to mars. people have been doing this in many ways and you can measure it. i'm incredibly grateful to the parent panel and it's unusual to have such a great discussion and i thank you very much to the panel [applause]. i also want to lend my thanks to the panel and thanks to all of you for being here today. thanks for everyone at the white

house and jamie on our team and i hope we can continue to have this discussion through the lens we talked about today as well as the many other perspectives that have been brought to bear on the issue. thank you everyone. [applause].

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>> the baffler is a print and digital magazine of social analysis and political criticism and satire focusing on money power. they talk about the state of literary magazines and other media in the current state at an event sponsored by the denver form in january. this is 45 minutes. >> good afternoon. on behalf of the denver form, i want to welcome you to today's luncheon at the denver athletic club. i also want to welcome the viewers of c-span. c-span is an important contribution to american democracy as anything that comes to my mind. it is this down to and the

founder of c-span was brian lamb who was a colleague of mine and we were press secretaries in the u.s. senate. he had this idea to start c-span. somewhere later in life i had the idea to start the club and the district reform. i would suggest that c-span was a better idea. >> it's remarkable and if you don't understand what's going on in america, the the probability is because you're not watching c-span. so watch c-span and be grateful for the extraordinary contributions made. i need to explain, the national football league season ended two weeks ago and the day after it ended, i made a public announcement that i was no longer a fan of the san diego chargers but a fan of the denver broncos. the government sent me a text

message and said it was about time. so i'm happy to be a broncos fan. i look forward to our our victory sunday, right against pittsburgh. and the interesting thing that will happen is it will be denver against kansas city for the championship of the american conference and after that denver will be back in the super bowl he said. the next event of the denver form is a really important one. it's wednesday evening, february february 24. it will be in conjunction with the tattered cover which i said a long time ago is america's greatest foot straight. our speaker will be jim wallace, a close and beloved friend.

he's been a guest many times and it works best in this instance to do this event with the tattered cover at the colfax avenue store. jim comes to talk about his new book entitled america's original sin, racism, white privilege and the bridge to a new america. i believe that jim wallace is the greatest pathetic voice we have in our country. what he has done for our country and continues to do. it's a free event. we don't do many free events. so take advantage, put it in your calendar and i look forward to seeing you on the night of

the 24th which is a wednesday night. our guess speaker is the editor in chief of the baffler magazine there are several things that are odd about me, one of which is i know a lot about literary quarterlies. i have been reading literary quarterly since i was in my early 20s. literally literary quarterlies represent the great underground of american literature. very people know that they exist some of the publications have circulations two and 3000. weigh that against the country of 320 million. their importance is not related to the circulation. their importance is related to things, one who reads them and takes them seriously and

secondly, who writes for them. the fact is, in american literary history some of our greatest riders were discovered in literary quarterlies. you will have your own copy in take it with you, read it, enjoy it, subscribe and help make it succeed. i am pleased to introduce a new friend, somebody i sought out in context of what i do with the red sox. he is a terrific guy. his a phd in american history from the university of rochester. now the editor-in-chief of the baffler. welcome the one and only doctor john summers. [applause]. thank you george. hideaway sound?

has my my voice can you hear me okay? >> when we put down. what a pleasure it is to be introduced by george. >> i'm going to speak for just a few minutes and then after i introduce you to the magazine and institutional background that has gotten us to this point, then i hope we can have a conversation because as george suggested, this is a topic of a very focused, rich substantive discussion that's important to have and it would be a shame if i did all the talking. let me start off with the baffler catechism. it's a program issued four times a year imprint and it offers a

mix of poems and satire. also lots of art and as you can see from this issue which is out in the center, this particular cover displayed and a rocky artist that was displaced by us and it comes at a nice time for a discussion on form policy. throughout we keep our focus on the money power. where money talks to itself, and what it generates in our culture and what it produces in our politics. in the magazine, we identify concentrations of power and challenge consensus thinking and

we propose remedies. public life has been diminished through the mass production of conformity. we strive for the two-sided debate and hope to generate comic contradictions that suggest public polls can rise to the level of literary art. think about it. to be an independent publishing now, at a time when the arts are public argument have more or less collapsed, simply to keep working to find a fresh and honest vocabulary, one is capable of leaving prejudices and assumptions and driving direction. we believe magazines need not be boring or frightening to motivate readers.

it was born in 1988 at the end of the cold war and it was reborn at the dawn of the information age economy in 2011. that's when i came on board. it was the aftermath of a global recession. all along the people who edited and written about it had been passionately devoted to the topics. were doing this because we believe in the importance of free expression in a democracy. it's an ironic title for a magazine, we don't actually aim to baffle you as you've probably figure out. many times we are aiming to persuade you of something. >> it's the polar opposite of what you normally hear of idealistic enterprises. somebody few are probably

already wondering how this enterprise gets funded in the first place. let's get that out of the way. i know that more of you will be curious once i tell you how stubborn in principle we are about this thing. we have a strict policy of paying all of our contributors. that is what distinguishes us from 95% of the kind of media that were involved with. we refuse the use of interns and volunteers. nobody gets to work for free around here. third we use government money and don't bother with taking -- we are independent and don't have to ask for permission. in his also not associated with

any university programs. we don't take ads or prizes. we are a tax-deductible organization and charitable as a church. we depend on our people to sustain our work. not surprisingly, many of these people are from the creative arts and professions. they have, among, among our supporters comedians, film producers, videogame designers, playwrights and a smattering of publishers and professors tech entrepreneurs and anyone, i assure you with exceedingly good taste. we have a new initiative that enables people to understand the

in tangible opinion and feel the power of education and information in a democracy. financial transactions are caught up in a language of investment. it's called steak holding. ours is the language of the gift economy. it's a quality. not equity that fires us up. it's appreciation, recognition and trust rather than a return on investment for the readers and supporters of our community. this is how we are able to speak and challenge the mass production of clichés.

we are not hostage to them. we have fewer and fewer commercial outlets for riders who are bold enough to speak in the direct and honest conversational voice while attempting to rise above personal of experience to get it something larger. taking the time to consider and reconsider and work and rework the ink and writing. the magazine exists in order to publish and fact check work. they choose quality. how do you measure impact on something like this? that's a difficult question. let's consider a counter example one of the richest history that live and breathe dividends find

out a long time ago how to work outside the market economy to advance their monetary interest. such is made of donald trump wizardry and other realities. with array of ideas, they told us while serving up in arsenal of magazines and publishers and television shows, think tanks and producing an all-star team of intellectuals featuring brand-name editors and riders like william f buckley, two trump supporters and culture. the aim has been to rewrite the way by which american popular thought is judged.

it doesn't seem possible because the major premises appear natural and necessary. cutting taxes, cutting social spending, divesting from higher education, downsizing workers and deregulating markets, these crackpot ideas grew to economic ideologies. :

>> >> such to capture the degraded public media. so what about those of us? as recently as the '60s people created and furthered by a method of culture and based on a political insurgency with new fields of thought to launch the careers of best-selling

social critics with that bag is the premises me any different programs with the thinkers and ideas and those cookies and reproduction in to be disillusioned but we are part of a condition along with other publication in san periodicals are a source of renewal compared to those conservatives said

members participate at the $1,000 level for the $10,000 level and then they make up the difference one of the principal goals in that it is to grow the circle is that all happens to be today will consider that say a victory. tequila perpetual fervent. a metall that'd sarcastic sometimes cynical nothing could be further from the truth is of market confidence and a leap of faith of that attitude

handed down by american ancestors. today's america is a commonplace for the independent magazine can influence opinion and he helped to make it so. it requires us to discern hope for fantasy the culture of magical thinking is one of our targets but it is more satisfying and it is working. and just concluded in the eric city with the editorial office we have a staff that has now doubled we took down our payroll of the web site

and with the frequency digitally to put up the daily block post. 160 web only essays especially popular of labrador retrievers. we are not viewed from these animals on the internet. as trump riles up everybody's attention. but also with houston and dallas and san for cisco and seattle meanwhile we produce the largest is simple dash issues in history.

one each that is called a fetus the defense of violence and a but the. id as the fulcrum of further economic equality. the family that prays together i am happy to talk about that. and that criticism it is possible. and now we're turning the magazine to a quarterly publication. for the first time as the matter of fact.

old this late avoid culture and then to have of conversation my personal stories among those things that attest to the power in the waiting to hang in there. back in 2010 after it became clearer the still air of the call center would be permanent i was looking for a new way and tom frank was non-aligned. he said the magazine from before they be a better

career prospect. and but the social thought at harvard. and those in colombia or could hamper union teaching low-level survey course. and then i lost my benefits. and writing the column in "the wall street journal" and we had some friends in common. in that cut my goose of the academy. in so i centcom immediately

and then to tell him i would quit. in my story or perhaps not. we could talk about that but it is important to make your choices and have the plan. so i finished my ph.d. 2006. and with the essays in a scrapbook. and to sell a couple of dozen copies.

and with the research associate masters trading and cover the virginia for the first u.s. history textbook that kidnappers icily that moment -- at precisely that moment. [laughter] but the baffle rabin's for absorbing superfluous people. that people are searching for a public call for their values that doesn't talk down to them. as well as the contributors

from all over the country for academia and journalism. for those that are organized in those institutions. so with the rochester history graduate student with our senior editor we launched that as the print and digital back and. in the middle of the global recession we have no money in the geeks and entrepreneurs told us that printed benghazi is rover but they were wrong of course, . i had been writing and teaching history in the

academic environment. in writing journalism and thinking about my own transition to personal. >> away from the career of that conventional notion of the career to sustain the nomination of skills and incentives that what is good for a stable job with there were institutions. we should get careers out of your mind. and with craftsmanship and passion and love though work that we do our value points

as the worse because you're there at dinner of what we make fun of but the tech industry and silicon valley doesn't begin creating a new company. llord vesting badly. we make fun of them in silicon valley the those of us who are looking to get on with our projects with a history and direction and values and think of the word to be my own personal answer of higher education but what

we've took for granted and with the courtesy to talk about it. that's all i have. for this part of the program. so hopefully we can have a conversation and you can't try to challenge me. [laughter] >> we have to admit its. sees big can pick up your question and he will be happy to respond. >> i go to east and i am curious which people should be paying attention to today

and to what degree with making important decisions? >> you mean people like yourself? >> the populace. >> it is a hard question. one of the decisions we made right off the bat in the end of a vat is a lot more difficult of the digital start up plus if there is a generation today's to epidurals. and that we can homestall long format 5,000, 4,000 and

there is just no substitute for reading that journal and print the transition to digital and virtually every other out that. budget that another area is books. and has a business model attached to it. had orchestrated public questions. i don't know enough and i

was thinking along the lines to have of disinformation in the media is that through npr? but not to influence. >> i have noticed. but there was the movement in the '90s and narrows the gone now. and will say unfiltered

because everything is the filter but if you find something that is dislodge. it was almost an afterthought of the advertising industry. not to say that it can be done between. >> is a debt of about the niche? of msnbc. at their best they're getting 90,000 viewers per day.

bill reilly was getting to the lompoc's but we are coming back to a country of 320 million so somebody figures added is a devout the numbers. i do agree with that. >> yes. the main difference, called the independent public and their two different things as we try to create the independent public that is the best way. also you don't need huge amounts of people in order to have an influence but one of the things that is applied is you are a leader and then to look getting interesting illustration and

a short story. we presuppose "the reader" that is interested they are literary it is possible to access content on-line piece by piece. it is the opposite and to think it is as small as we think of that intelligent person who was willing to read something that is slightly above their head rather than talking down to them. that is what we're striving for. maybe not everybody. >> a follow-up question question, magazines like "newsweek" in particular "the washington post" commandeer times have

digital auditions. that book publishing will stop and remarkably something different so my point being it is important to have it in print. >> baggage is not my head. >> you want to sway public opinion? >> yes. >> you think the current situation with media and in news and the united states with state sponsored propaganda?

>> i don't have an answer for poland in particular but those policies are a reflection of the government and other aspects of the media we have the first amendment the full promise everywhere i have spoken so lots of people are speaking up for coated government doesn't control that market. and what has happened to the media in the last tender 15 years to become a type of don't don't -- turner with the purchase of a las vegas newspaper in the order of "the boston globe" were to be owned by millionaires.

the really that is what we fear. >> with the boston red sox. >> how does trumpeted into this? >> we have not asked him for many at. i don't know with the political culture he is the antithesis of that sensibility that we try to promote such as racist or xenophobic but and angry and small it is clearly a propaganda language with mutual sympathy so don't expect that and politicians

sometimes they tried to pretend they haven't been influenced from the coke brothers that is the premise of the campaign. >> we have time for one more. >> is there anything in your magazine specifically geared toward young people in high school going into college. >> i do have a couple of articles about college it might make you run the other way. higher education in public school forum am privatization lots of

implications of a beautiful piece about changes of the school system it is standing but it is worth people and pay attention to of the social order it cost a lot of money which i am sure you have already figured out. those that have a way to rate themselves as a transformative in social and collective way but the truth is college education not that they know what that

personalize level but the way that higher education fits in that larger framework to produce the meritocracy that is said sham and you should run the of the way those strange ways to measure intelligence it is of the rankings and did you march through that somewhere as well you may find yourself at the of iran to a little disappointed of the public order year my parents went to high school at the time i went to college. and i'm glad i did for

personality and matters but the larger forces are worth paying attention to. >> in closing and and would you consider of magazine reconsider high-school students like these? >> sure. they do have a section called conversations that could be a nice format in the way to spur further discussions. and with that back-and-forth. and it shows by a simple wood is valued. >> we will show our very

great appreciation and. [applause] >> if you have a copy ensure he would be happy to sign that. and i am grateful but it is all for the good. and this is incredibly important i take you all for coming and encourage them to relocate. thank you. [applause]

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