professor from claremont college the founders of the idea that national university constitutes american mind is the name of the book

>> to have profound implications today around the world we see that every we're around the world it comes from the stakes policy errors is that they can be corrected that is why we wrote the book and refocus on three big reforms obviously other things have to be done but you have to have priorities so we prioritize health care and a new tax code and getting the

monetary system back on track for the first time in half a century. >> in your new book who are the donors that you talk about? >> talks about the voters of seven key counties in key states the republicans won in 2004 the where they lost in 2012 so places like florida or virginia or ohio or north carolina and new hampshire colorado the republicans actually have it yet but because some of those changes they had a pretty good opportunity but to find out who they are because that key theory is

the reason why republicans win more state elections win more state elections cannot presidential elections they have lost touch of the voters at the local level. >> host: hamilton county ohio cincinnati to are the voters that republicans have lost? >> that is an interesting case the only county that had a net population in lost so the challenge is more about population growth other people carrying those predilections hamilton county is where people have actually left it with a significant decrease of the last 30 or 40 years so those who are left did not have the economic mobility to leave so the blue-collar workers to work hard but not

necessarily high priced could find work with their hands and put food on the table republicans have the opportunity to make the case for economic liberty based on their particular issues but the problem that you have i should mention by the republican counties in a very republican state even when ohio would vote for a democrat hamilton county was very republican a very read county in nova the last two presidential elections they voted for obama as a very blue county one of the reasons the republicans will message to the economy for using the of philosophical argument up the 30,000 for a

level more regulation and free-market but they don't talk brought the fact the epa is requiring citizens to separate switch from their storm drain is very expensive these are older cities that had they merged system and they want them separated so they have put together a plan that epa accepted that then they discovered they could do it for 40 percent less and still meet the goals but the epa refuses to open the issue so as a result people will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in extra utility cost and people don't have the disposable income just because the epa will not reopen the process to allow the city to do more efficiently so if you talk

about regulation stifling economies as a presidential candidate you should know candidate you should know about this issue and why it cost them hundreds of millions of dollars new york that will come out of their pockets of the constituents if you talk about that as an economic argument that makes it much more personal. that is what barack obama did he learned about the communities his fabulous organization a network of people so when they talked about issues like the economy and make government work better he talked about the local issues these are the types of things when i am president that is one of the reasons people have such

an emotional connection in 2008 and ride that changed in 2012. >> the states you have look dash are all must wins for the republicans florida wisconsin and ohio colorado why is wisconsin special? to make they have not one wisconsin except landslide victories but normally the state is blue but scott walker was elected 2010 input for a very divisive issue but it has paid a lot of dividends and one study just came out in march that showed the state and local governments paid $5 million over five years so they

could stay away from layoffs to use the money wisely that is what republicans are talking about when they say trim government and regulation to make things work more efficiently so there is the message there for the wisconsin republicans to open up an electoral college votes better then colorado or new hampshire that is the key state for both parties because it says something about the reach of the national message if they take wisconsin out bin that resets bill whole rust belt show that strength that would be very difficult for a democrat to counter.

>> what is your day job? >> times senior editor a duke twice a week podcast on politics and culture in also write columns for the fiscal times. >> in this election season have any of the candidates done what you have suggested ? >> looking at the primary races ted cruz did a very good job on the ground in i was especially apparently in oklahoma as well and ted cruz organization tend to make me think he is on the right track with the exception of by one of which is purple and the others are very read so we don't know how people since those swing voters and then you only work within the primary

system but at the organizational level is there for ted cruz marco rubio is pretty decent but of course, donald chump is the variable if the republican party at 30,000 feet donald trump was up 40,000 concept's only and doesn't offer a detailed substance i will do this and make this work i will make this great and people are responding in the primaries. that is interesting if he is the nominee he is of the type described or does he stay at that 40,000-foot level if he can bring in people through messaging and celebrity status? >>