to it, let's have some more that. that. that is really what made the modern world. >> thank you deirdre, it has been fun, and enlightening. i encourage, and i'm sure you grew this idea, encourage everyone to buy several copies and read and study, this this is a remarkably importance and insightful piece of scholarship. thank you [applause]. thank you. >> there is a reception in the hyatt suite, you are are all invited to join us. thank you. [inaudible] [inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversation]

[inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversation] >> c-span, created by america's cable television companies and brought to you as a public service by your cable or satellite provider. >> this is booktv on c-span2, television for serious readers. here's our prime time lineup. tonight, starting at 6:30, howard maines recalls the national guard shooting of students at kent state university in 970. then at 7:45, we profile the men and women who continue to hunt down nazi war criminals after the nuremberg and dachau trials. on "after words" at 9 p.m. eastern, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell on his memoir, "the long game," with senator lamar alexander. and at ten, meg jacobs describes the energy crisis of the 1970s following opec's decision to ban the export of oil to the united states in 1973.

we wrap up booktv in prime time at 11 with '60 minutes' correspondent leslie stahl. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. >> during booktv's recent visit to las vegas, we toured the private book collection of beverly rogers and discussed 19th century printing practices with her. >> i started collecting about 15 years ago. took a break to go back to school and get a master or's degree. i have been collecting seriously now for ten years. i collect books about books, which is a really interesting genre, because it includes everything from anecdotal stories from librarians and booksellers to bib lo graphical minutiae about paper andty position my, and i love it

all --ty position my, and i love it all. focusing on collecting books that represent the publishing practices of the victorian era. and that includes more ways of publishing than we have today. what i have in here is kind of a handful of railway editions which are fun, colorful as you can see. this is the first time in english, the history of english literature where the picture on the cover actually depicted something going on in the story. prior to that or prior to this process where these books were old at railway stations, people at the time -- there was a

growing middle class. readership, growing class of people who would ride the train to work, they had more leisure time. prior to the books coming out in this form which is really sort of a precursor to the paperback, the covers of the books' purpose was to promote the publisher. so all of chapman and hall's books looked alike, all of blackwood's books looked alike, and they were colorful. they would be in different colors, but the design of the book jacket would be -- okay. here's one. all the books that came out by that publisher pretty much looked like that except for the color would be changed. after i finished school, i went back to the the books about books that i had purchased, and i had read most of them, but i thought i'd go through and read a few here and there. and i discovered a book called an inquiry into the nature of certain 19th century pamphlets

which is a real-life detective story about two booksellers and bibliophiles discovering a 19th century forger. the printing on the front is not even centered. some of them don't even have printing on the front. these are forgeries. there is a man named thomas j. wise who was known as the 19th century creative forger. he would take a poem, a tract, manager out of an anthology -- something out of an anthology, something from a magazine, a speech and create a pamphlet of it, predate the date of its first real appearance and claim that it was a long lost pamphlet privately printed by the author, and it would claim the place of first edition. he then, summarizing, planted

something of them at auction to establish a little historical provenance based on who bought them and established price and so forth. and from there he would then, actually, either give them or sell them to friends and, you know, other book collectors, people that he kept in contact with. he successfully did this. he did have a partner, that was a later discovery, but he successfully did this creative forging with the material of 23 or 4 popular victorian poets over a period of more than 20 years. that's a long time. [laughter] in 1934 there were two bookseller/bibliophiles who had known for years that there had been rumors circulating that there were too many of these

privately-printed pamphlets at auction. so they decided to, first of all, gather as much circumstantial evidence as they could ask try to figure out what happened. and they looked at things like were any of the panel knelts inscribed -- pamphlets inscribed, were the pamphlets even opened in some cases? what's the condition of them? what did they sell for? just all the things surrounding the physical pamphlet. and then they decided to do something that no one had ever done for bibliographical purposes prior to that which was chemically test the paper. they chose elizabeth barrett browning's sonnets from the portuguese because it was, it had been the highest priced. there were a lot of them on the market. and it was the most popular, and everyone would recognize it. so they wanted to choose what they called their star piece to

test. and they discovered that the pamphlet called simply sonnets, redding, 1847, was on paper that could not have been available before 1868 because it contained things that they didn't use. paper was made of 100% rag in 1847. so they then went back also and tested the typographical fonts and discovered that those were also not available at the time. i see myself as a rescuer -- [laughter] of the material object which is as much an artifact historically as a dinosaur bone is ark yo logically. the reason it's important to collect books is to preserve the

history. the material book represents not just the text embodied within it, but all the production that went into it and the manufacturing of it and the sales and distribution and the arguments back and forth between the author and the publisher. the material book, you can learn so much from as well as what you may learn from the text. >> for more information on booktv's recent visit to las vegas and many other destinations on our cities tour, go to c-span.org/citiestour. >> republican presidential candidate donald trump recently talked about some books he's reading this summer. first, unlikable by edward klein, former editor of "the new york times" magazine, taking a critical look at democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton. mr. trump also re-reading the novel all quiet on the western front, first published in 1929.

the book by the late eric -- [inaudible] is an account of a german soldier serving during world war i. mr. trump described the novel as one of the greatest books of all time. he also mentioned he's reading a biography of former president richard nixon. and that's a look at what donald trump is reading this summer. >> so, michael pietsch, what do you do for a living? >> guest: i'm the ceo of the hachette book group which means i work with a lot of really talented publishers and editors, marketers, sales people, finance people. i mean, everything that's involved in running a modern publishing company that is involved in bringing books to all the readers in america and around the world. >> host: what makes up hachette? >> guest: hachette is a company that's made up of some publishers that have been around for a very long time. ..

we have a children's book division and of christian division. we have nonfiction and audio versions of all of our books. perseus is a great group of imprints. >> what's the importance of having all of these? the wonderful thing about publishing is that it's often times done by people who have a