opportunity there is probably the opportunity for college opportunities to be doing more work. our higher education system is not working well for students. it is expensive, it is passing on significant cost to taxpayers, but it is also not preparing students. the six-year graduation rate is 60% and four year is 40%. that is an abysmal figure.

but all universities that receive federal funds are acc d accred accredited. so the college of profitable, a great organization, found 514 red flag universities across the country where students have a better chance of defaulting on student loans than they do graduating. all of them are credited by an arm of the federal government essentially. if you go there, you are more likely to default on your student loan debt than you are to actually graduate from school. one answer i would say is limiting federal subsidies to colleges and universities. not increasing them.

allow a robust private market of lenders to reform and come back into the market. a robust market of private lenders would be a far better arbitration on student loans. they will pea able to take into account your major, your likelihood of repaying your loans, your credit worthiness and things that can get you a better interest rate than a uniform rate from the private government. allow a private lender and gasp have college students do a little part-time work to pay for their undergraduate. i will turn it over to sterling. >> i am a partner of the grassroots organization that was one of the oldest and trained

well over 100,000 activist, conservative and libertarian activist. campus reform's mission is to expose liberal bias and abuse on college campus around the country and i am willing to bet the vast majority in the room -- i see this young lady smiling -- some form of liberal abuse and bias whether it be in your textbooks, professor's lectures or just your peer's attitudes. this is the sort of thing we see every day at campusreform.org. we had a member of our campus correspondent program who attended mount holy oak college in massachusetts. she joined the campus correspondent program and wrote wonderful stories and broke news about mount holy oak's theater board, i believe it was, canceling the production of the

vagina monologues because it failed to recognize not all women have vaginas. you can laugh. it is okay. it is a funny story. i bet you didn't expect to hear that today. she had stories on how there is a ferguson protest around mount holy oak where white students were discouraged from participating. all of that she did wonderful jobs on those stories, got the facts checks, did a great job and created national news out of those stories. the mount of hatred she got from the women of mount holy oak was disgusting. i am sure most of you have heard of yik-yac. there was a mount holy oak confessional site and she was torn to shreds. they called her every single liberal insult you can imagine they threw out at her. they took shots at her personal

appearance as if that had anything relevant to do with it her stories. one student tried to bring her up on an alleged honor code violation. and that only happened after a legal demand letter was sent and thankf thankfully they dropped the charges. she transferred to the university of new hampshire and now she is a legislative representative in the house of isw hampshire at the age of 19. >> she is far from the only onej a student by the name of jake up out of the university of ellenh california he had to deal with, here he is a member of the. student senate students out there did not like the fact that he was talking to campus reforma

he he didn't like the fact that they were not letting him knowmp was going on so they attempted to impeach him. they wanted to get a stipend taken away as well. it got so bad out there that a student wrote an editorial initp the paper asking senators not to impeach him because it would prove his point about this campus being on holy, liberal and incredibly biased. but that's the sort of thing that we deal with every single day. it's not the only thing, we've dealt with stories about textbooks and stories that said president ronald reagan was a sexist to saw women's fear beino primarily domestic and he never appointed women to authority codes sandra day o'connor just doesn't count. we've seen stories like this all over the country.

they were very bad repeat offenders, mount holyoke, we have we have a correspondent there but even at the university of new hampshire where she ended up going, for brief time they had a bias free language guy on the university website which after we reported on it they were saying it was not an official policy but it went against using terms like american because using the term american to describe something was offensive.merican because apparently because it ignored the realities that there is north and south america, centrao america and this was in act against people of canada are people everywhere else. that's how far down the rabbit hole goes. that's the sort of thing we seeo every day. it is a sick sort of situation on justices or advancing these liberal priorities they are not teaching students how to learn anymore. they are teaching students what to learn and what to think but not how to think. that is the problem we see every

so that's what we see every single day. >> thank you so much. my name is catherine, i i work for the foundation of individua rights and education, otherwisei known as fire. we are nonpartisan nonprofit group with a very narrow mission and that is to protect free camp speech on campuses as well as due process rights as well. i've worked with some of you, and helping get your schools back on track. one of the things fire is most concerned about his speech codes. what is a speech code? obviously universities do not have a place in the student handbook that says this is the

censorship part, here we are going to list everything that you can't do. instead, they have rules that appear to be neutral, but in fact really have a negative effect on your right to express yourself. the most tortoises the so-called free-speech zone.ng to do with r has nothing to do with free speech. these are are tiny areas of campus where students ares quarantined when they want to express themselves. if schools are really on the ball they make you sign up to three weeks in advance in order to stand in the out-of-the-way corner to say whatever it is that you're passionate about. the most notorious case you have is in california, robert, an army veteran decided that what he wanted to do was hand oute. copies of the constitution on

constitution day. it he lasted about ten minutes before security guard came up to him and told him that he could not do this because he was not in the free-speech sound that he needed to sign up for that. so there is someone with literally the first amendment in his hand sort of thing but it says here that i can speak freely in this open area and the security guard is saying well that's just the constitution, what i have backing me up our school rules.so so get with the program. he came to us and we actually filed, all supported him in a filing a lawsuit and not surprisingly, the school patdown. they change the policy i got to pay attorney fees and damages as well. so that was very satisfying.

the problem with the administrative loads is that these administrators have to do something all day. what they do is write these rules. not only does that affect your ability to express yourself and to tell other people what you're passionate about, but it also sends the message to the entire campus that censorship is okay.y and that dealing with difficulti ideas, dealing with things that you do not want to hear, that an acceptable way to get around that is to insist that the person with a different point of view be quiet. i think there is a strong connection between that and the

other phenomenon that we are seeing, for instance the idea of a safe space. now safe spaces make perfect sense. i think new is probably a safe space for you if you are a minority as a conservative woman on a college campus. it's probably very empowering to get together with fellow conservatives and discuss a policy and your life on campus. that is freedom of association. that is something that is very important to society.iety. the problem is when groups of w students try impose the rules and mores of their save space on everybody else. so we say that a safe space is an important shield, college

college can be overwhelming, particularly the first couple of years. you want to find your peeps. and a safe space if you want toe call it that is a great way of doing that. but, it cannot be a sword. you cannot take your views of the world and try and enforce them on other people and announce the people that disagree with you are somehow dangerous or making you feel insecure and therefore they should be silenced. a trigger warnings also sort of can go both ways. a trigger warning that ised offered by a professor for pedagogical reasons makes perfect sense. rea there is some material out there that students should be able to

prepare themselves to see. i remember many years ago watching a film about growing up in postwar germany and in that film they have raw vintage footage of the liberation at auschwitz. that is something i will never forget. what of it have been nice to have been warned. yes. i remember it decades later. it made a terrific impact on me. so maybe that's what the teacher was after.after. but that was her decision. where trigger warnings become a problem is when students come and say i do not want to confront this, so i don't wantwt to confront sexism or i don't want to confront racism so tell me when it is coming so that i

i ow when to skip class.s. or i know to ask for an alternative assignment. and that, frankly guts the purpose of the university. the purpose of the university. the purpose of the universities to go and challenge. to confront ideas that you have not heard before, that you might think are disturbing, but to do it if i may, in a safe space of the classroom with your peers and with a professor who knows the material and has some training on how to teach it. so, and and the other problem with the mandatory triggertrigga warning is that it has a terrible effect on academic freedom. then it is telling a professor, this this is the way that you have to teach the material. not the way you think would be most effective from a pedagogical point of view, but

the way we, as administrators, or we as students think it is best for you to do it. so that i think is also deeply disturbing. so trigger warnings at the discretion of the professor, sure, why, why not. trigger warnings as some sort oe mandatory -- no. if any of you come across that is, as far as i know no university has adopted mandatory trigger warning policy although some have discussed it, but please if you ever hear of it happens at your school right debbie ww, the fire.org, we would love to hear about that or any other time that your voice is stifled. we are nonpartisan, what you are

passionate about is for you to decide. we are here to make sure that your voice can be heard loud and clear. thank you [applause]. >> thank you so much to all of our panelists.pa so now we will open to questions from you starting with anybody as a question. please raise your hand. >> hello, i am emily hall and i am am a member of the new chapter at harvard. i'm wondering if any of you have advice on how to attract people who might not be conservative co but might be processed free speech with getting involved with new. >> i'll tackle this one. when it comes to gary people involved to might not be

necessarily conservative or libertarian, you don't don't pitch it in ideological terms. you pitch it in term of here's the idea, free speech, you said harvard, correct? okay. you pitch it to them as say and i'm just gonna spitball here, harvard has produced supremeer court justices, members of congress, presidents, and here's the cause, free speech is dying, and then you hook them in with a free speech as the issue because free speech ideally should be a nonpartisan issue. unfortunately i think it is very much a partisan issue especially college campuses. but if you if you can find somebody who is intellectually open enough to saying you know, i like the idea of free speech, disagreeing with what you have to say but defending to the death your right to say, you really themm and that way and if they're open to it than i would say you would start to bring them into a more conservative worldview. here's what conservatives

believe about x, y, z, maybe your group as a whole has free speech because i know, i'm at dartmouth greg, your harvard grad, 31 from 31 from you in the audience today? >> i qualify. >> let's beat up on yell but to give unix apple, at, at yell, while back i think it was sometime last fall i forget who did it, they went to you and had a petition that they would go around ten on hidden camera ask students to send this petition to repeal the first amendment. which this is yell, it has produced again, president, supreme court justices, members of congress, find members of congress, fine attorneys who actually understand the first amendment, but they were actually petitioning away their right to petition. so that's the kind of danger that a lot of students have right now. if you can hook students and on a nonpartisan position via free speech or something else, then you get them in the door, then

make more the conservative pitch afterward.f i could add qu >> if i can just add quickly to that, unfortunately the one truly bipartisan issue is the desire to censor people. we see that on kit college campuses all the time. we have worked with students, a young woman in texas who was not told she needed special permission to talk about guns. and that she probably cannot get it. this was when there is legislation on concealed carry in the texas legislator. we also do battle on severaldo campuses with schools that do not want to let the national organization of the reform of marijuana laws have a pot leaf on their t-shirt, apparently civilization as we know it will and if normal is allowed to use that moniker in order to

indicate they believe passionately in the legalizatio. of marijuana. so that i think when you are reaching out to other groups, the chances chances are that they have bumped into the same kind of bureaucratic roles that you have and so there is a rapport right there. of course, debate is wonderful. deba so just getting together and sponsoring some kind of discussion with college democrats or whoever it happens to be can really do wonders for opening up a dialogue because part of the problem is everybody is in their safe spaces trying to make their safe space everybody else's save space and

not talking to each other. >> hello i'm nicole from washington university which is a really small, very conservative school in virginia. i was wondering, how do you think about allowing freedom of speech even within a conservative campus that shuts it down?ue bee >> so washington administrators are shutting down shutting down? and he should give an example. >> at washington only recently we've had a lot of political strains going on specifically about the presidential campaign. a lot of times the administration will shut down any dialogue either conservative or liberal on either side of the issue because they are afraid of starting something. over half of the campus, but 87% of themselves identifies republican. they are afraid of ourther scho

being labeled as a conservative school even the old the administration has put out a washington and lee is republican campaign. so they're going against their own campaign there, my question is, how do you allow for the freedom of speech even within the conservative movement that may be trying to limit it? >> i am guessing that what the administrators are doing is that they are concerned about their tax-exempt status and they're worried that partisan, political discourse will somehow jeopardize that. that is nonsense. we see this all the time, particularly in the election years where administrators want to keep things quiet on campus so they're like we would love to let you table for bernie sanders or we would love to have you

hand out flyers for donald trump, but we just can't. nobody, and more importantly, no one at the irs thinks that student speaks for the university. so student political speech is, it is the fundamental first a amendment right when you are on a public college campus. so that if they are shutting down that kind of speech, i would contact fire and to we, on our website have a guide to speech and political campaign year.of you can download that and handed to them and say now i am off to table for whoever it is you want to table. if you still have problems, we

will support you in your effort to get them to see the light, because as i have said, particularly in an election year i can barely think of anything that is closer to the core of the first amendment than expressing your political beliefs on who should be president. >> if i could piggyback on that quick. one thing you might want to look into it is them starting and student newspaper. there's quite a few papers out there that have secondary conservative papers are alternative conservative papers that challenge the narrative. usually you don't see them in a place that w now because campuses so overwhelmingly conservative are ready. that does not mean that you would not have cause to say object to high student fees or even non-ideological abuses of power by the administration. the leadership institute offers a student publication workshop and if you really wanted to get people out there in a tizzy may

be start the paper and called the generally and in the car from the dukes of hazard on it. to see how many administrators adads you can make it slow. but look into doing something like that because very rarely will university shut down a student newspaper. the last thing they want to do is get the press and abuzz about them trying to shut down freedom of the press. the press in my experience tends to take care of its own very strongly. my want want to look into doing something like that as well. >> hello, my name is amanda com i'm interning the summer. even speaking about different issues i think many college studentso. can relate to. think many of this audience to there getting ready to vote for what might be their first time in the selection. my question of of race, which candidate do you think is most qualified to meet the needs of college students,s,

especially especially the ones among us today? >> 501(c)(3) status here i'm gonna take a pass on that question. >> same here, were nonpartisan. >> same with us. but i will talk about policy for second.out policy for a so any promises that are made in terms of, you'll hear and it is not unique to this year, we, we here at year after year, we hear it from many folks that have either free community college or eliminating student loan debt, whatever it might be, these areb issues that we here year after year, they are recurring themes. so i mention that because i think it it is something to keep in mind because we do hear it across the board unfortunately b which is incredible, this this idea that we can forgive student loan debt. i any time that happens it is creating an environment in which

we are far more likely toen continue to inflate college costs.t tin not only that, if you think about proposal for freen community college which i think is a good example of some of the things we are hearing, think about it in terms of really extending our k12 system to k14 system. we remove a lot of the impetus from our high school to actually prepare students in time and they know there's free community college ahead, there's basically two additional years of high school that are out there for students. i think you like free community college like issues like forgiving student loan debt which we hear all the time they're only going to continue to exasperate the college cost problem and of course when you hear about forgiving student loan debt, is not free, that comes on the back of someone. and that someone ends up being the three quarters of american taxpayers who don't hold college degrees themselves. it is a terrible and equitable way to think about how we deal with student loan issues.

i know that an answer question at all. but take an opportunity to throw so opportunity out there. >> denies a student, graduated last year, i found especially when you're into internationalu affairs serve farm policy and that is your major, you find yourself writing things that you are not going to upset your professor. because you know at the end of the semester, here see are going to great you. they are the ones that going to maintain your grade point average and you don't want to hit a subject where you know for fact that you are not going to see a tie and you don't want to get into that conversation when you're term paper. has a huge ia what is your steak on this, if you like it has a huge impact on where academe is going in the future. it is so very biased environment for conservatives out there anyone who has a differention te opinion than the person in front

of the room. >> sure. it [inaudible] where i think that i have an entire website i worked at that does nothing but cover that kind of thing. i guarantee you we don't catch 5% of it because it is self censorship and as you said you find yourself writing things you disagree with or you know are not true to mullify your professo > your >> where we have cop professor is on tape and video in their classrooms be reading the class one of my favorite stories came fromike april 2014 where a creative writing class in the middle

class started ranting of the elections. if republicans win this we will live in a very different country becauseople they fear people with knowledge and young peopledg have knowledge so they will close universities down and this went on for five minutes. we ran the story we ended up on fox news that night may be dead drudge report to and within 24 hours in eastern connecticut state university there was a republican party in the house during the legislative session use point of order called out the professor from the floor of the state legislature and got an ovation from fellow legislators includingd a few democrats then peter city said he can read his class

how he once but we disembowel and then he said that by politics get the better mission not have said that if we had other students another one they cannot say the key to god because they didn't want it to be every religious revival meeting the lead to read that story they could take for if they wanted to any deity. [laughter] but in any time you read into that sort of vague with a solution you could choose to bite the bullet and do that one may end up with a story is dash if the professor retaliates. it will take a lot more it is systemic with higher education.

if you do get a bad grade it is clearly the ideological the benefit and kiddie show me what did is i did wrong? i had professor's right disagree and there were intellectually honest enough but you may be surprised.recent >> a recent graduate of a small conservative private school. what your thoughts on how private school should handle

free speech? is it the administration and the job or should students still keep their rights on the campus? >> it depends on what the college says. basically private collegesei are not bound by the firstst>> l amendment but they also cannot do the bait-and-switch. most of these gorgeous websites and pictures with some leafy trees and talk about cop to our college vistas wil ideas will openen up to you with fields of study and if they have that kind of language to make the promise of free speech than

they have to stick to it. and to consider the contractual obligation. not all states adhere to that but certainly there is a moral obligation and then to know the promises. and of a private institution has the right so if you go there is no pro-choice rally then you are out of luck because they make it clear.

read that web site very carefully to know what is in a. administthe administrators accountable. >> real-time for one more question. >> i go to america said university one thing that pastresonated on our campus that students feel entitled to trigger warnings and micro aggression's perpetuate white supremacy so what good you say to these people that have so identified as social justice warriors? and how do you suggest we

counter this rhetoric with more freedom of speech? >> in the best way is to counter that directly thiser sounds like a you is sorely in need but call it for what it is to what denies their e motions and to take what used to be called to impart racial or sexual animistsem for and it is those students who are incapable to handle reality which they can do if they just believe hard enough that they can create

a space for nothing bad or been is said.wn using your own emotions to silence speech. the only way to combat that they somehow would read fahrenheit 911 as an instruction manual this this foolishness this is not have the real world works. >> lead is trickier and in some ways our real thing. born was ukrainian born in warsaw and came to this country after the war is as a first country offered citizenship and the first place to say we take you, you belong.

for the rest of his life people came up to him and would ask him where youim and from? there were trying to be friendly he spoke with an accent. and what he heard was you don't belong.and what he he and to his dying day people would ask him that question in a hospice nurse came toes ask a question and neverer would forget the look of his size he would never belong. so ask them what they mean. and why they say we're you

are from is a micro aggression why is america a melting pot? if you probe a little morebe mop deeply you may have a meaningful discussion because this is a problem of what they say and what you hear. it is my advice but at the end of the day you have a right for the exchange of ideas. >> that is about all we haveve time for today. thinks we're questions and

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>> to help you brought your questions or i will call like you. i will start with my experience with my intern last summer and went to give her praise because heard the organization she has started to make get what it is now truly is an accomplishment.rgerd there are organizations in san washington d.c. and then to grow into today. with all the young activist but to natalie start a chapter by be brave enough to stand up to the status quo. they have been opinion and

it matters. with that approach choiceon cams atmosphere that is what it is all about. and to talk about differences on the conservative side and we welcome everyone into our conversation. and then just day conference table you are here and it has been a successful conference and now to have double the attendance of last year.eciate all tho

and to be more inclusive and more diverse to learn of the fallen -- philosophical arguments. and that was a very busy time. and i had some experience at this point and how do i do internships had wide be a mentor?my spare and that is the questions you may have of course, the use of the most importantthe mot

powerful i will start taking your questions. >> thanks for being here today. as a successful woman of journalism and the public eye as to gain confidence to affectively see controversial issues? and give me confidence to mys mother and she definitely did not raise me in a way of strong women in my family.so i lenders than being confident in my own ideas gave me that courage to speak out.ivism on

i actually do a radio show every single week and to talk for an hour all the things going on around campus. for what i disagreed with what was happening but yousi have to go do your job to be confident to be prepared death what you are dealing with and in terms of being an expert, i ended media sometimes they think they're experts when they're not but always be prepared is generally a good way to be confident but with the philosophical beliefs and to make a stronger argument in

the future. >> as i know we are in in terms of how you transition as then intervene taken seriously as a young professional?ee as a young >> of 8q should portray yourself with a young professional who is in that type of environment. i always recommend to do multiple internships when i hire interns i'll look for a job experience and what they can bring together as an asset to. rather than the they could

teach more to but if you can bring a certain skill set after a variety of internships and always doing your work all -- on time especially to administrative things don't forget to stand your time card make sure the mae details that they have to remind you about. to help you grow or taken vintage of an opportunity. if you can prove that they contrasted with a certain project with those jobs the

were given welcome and would i think it's helpful if you find yourself in the intention of the you feel like you want to work their upcoming task assigned to do one that is remote.id add a intr every my junior and senior i years so i had the expanded internships so then when i of t graduated they're willing to make a space for me full time. set to expand that internship if it is a possibility as well.m from geor

>>. >> i have my question now on my telephone. >> millenials. [laughter] >> what we have talked about why we don't speak out in the voice their opinion a connected the extensive research id you feel boult strong enough to publicly speak about it? how do you bring them back? >> the whole issue is about afraid to speak out he just mentioned you did the

research but it seems you need a little bit of a plush. if you don't have all theu answers and nobody does right away i don't necessarily know everything about that topic but i am happy to do more research and in the back to what you do know. talk about the motion being used i am not sure if you could never bring thosecan neve sectors in the wake of the of the orlando terrorist attack of how to arrange that a motion has become from the facts of the agenda as though the of the people that call you names thank get emotional to understand your argument then you could walk away.

to influence the young woman in her class but they can check it out because there dirty cinder for something he believed in and is willing to learn more. but there's some sectors that are a lost cause it is your job to find women on campus to feel like they want to explore a philosophy how women on the campus field field. not only made them feel welcome but also to change their mind. >> i am from the mary kenney diversity one of the

questions i have clearly in so to stay on message.et and to distract us. >> this is what happened to be.invite and then to give a speech in this day and week out was going up there with the black lives matter movement theg because they were wearinge wearg t-shirts and that of course, refers to that cop killer who killed a new

jersey state trooper in the late '70s escaped prison in the '80s and is in cuba and still living there today they were chanting things cha like p.i.g.s. and the blanket five late they get a direct reference to police in body bags so with a block live in advocates and of course, the movement found out about it and i would speak at the university of delaware so long story short-haul and dash short when it was quiet and after the event even though i was there because of the second amendment i did it not mention black lives matter in a speech from what i havethad caused i did some interviews

backstage with the of local media and every single question it wasn't about asking about the group what they had done all the questions were from the black lives matter group and how all buy and set the into -- that offended the my said i am here for the second amendment these are the things that i talked about. so i think that takes the question to bring back to the topic of what you were there for over in issue may be that media tries to do the opposite to put its in a

certain direction because sometimes it is a distraction from the real issue. >> i know you.. >> david is taylor about pierce second amendment to write to your comments with san francisco say there is no constitutional right to carry guns of a loved yourhear o comments. >> first of all, good luck to take away the gun for women who hold permits dollar around the country but the supreme court has ruled the opposite first in chicago that the second amendment as an individual right not only to bear arms inside your home but also

outside your home even if washington d.c. the most bureaucratic dogmatic andcontrod controlled state even though really is not a state of a section of the country worse than chicago, in the last year they had to readjust the rules of open kerry based on not beingitutional constitutional so supreme court doesn't want conceal kerry i am not an attorney but they sawed what i do know about the right to keep in and bear arms i think we will see it go to the supreme court and i will add they are putting people risk >> how did you start your

passion and interest in college with your opinions? >> hours of those college students who went to college because i was opposed to i didn't know it wanted to do my first two years the s.a.t. was a total disaster because they can do math very well the math side of business did me in but then with political science and was unsure what i wanted to do i had a fifth life crisis and then i rediscovered the railways had an interest in politics from my teacher said high-school or our class's now researchers all they wrote a letter to bill clinton how unfair his tax policy was it wasn't fair

for him to take our money if we cannot spend his money ridiculous argument coming from the sexual but there was a light - - july bold moment i didn't internship with senator kyl who has retired since and it clicked i would have been the sports sideline reporter but then i realized i really like sports the policy is where i am passionate about but it took awhile edges was looking in the right place. >> hi.. i with accuracy in media. as a professional you work your way up to this level so what did vice would you giveve to other professionals who or what has kept you thees most crowded?

>> i'll raise tell them if you want a job in politics you should move to washington d.c.. taking a risk that would pay off for you. washington d.c. has a ton of opportunity and entry-level positions with any number of media outlets they're all here to take advantage of everything going on with a "fast & furious" scandal that came about because i saw in issue and claude dog

to that end was that capitol hill every single week writing about it back at attention from the publisher which got my fingers into the other media organizations online so coming here when you're young to plan to work as hard issue can and to pay your dues. >> i will talk about you better humble yourself we have a new office we're not used to a yet all of the windows are glass. i was speaking to my boss about to go into the office and iran right into the

class because i thought it was the door and all the intern's laughed.intern's i said no would be sought everybody saw it sold laughing yourself and appreciating the smallng the sml things in life it is azt you get caught up to my working for a and hoodoo i know and in the end it is the small things who may be less fortunate than you are.and to rn and you should appreciate what you have. >> i. i. m. jacqueline thomas i hear with "the

daily caller" what general the l advice would you give going into the field of journalism?gh i am very surprised as to what goes on i was not prepared. >> what specifically did you wish you had a warning for? account cutthroats. >> of the culture of newsrooms. >> right.>> the first p the first. >>host: vice is cutthroat and that is why not everybody survives they come for a couple years then they leave and that is fine it is not for everyone.but the firs but don't take anything personal but if you cann learn from the rejections maybe some short shor

temperaments and learn how to do your work and understand you'll be told no more than you will be told yes but to be successful with your internship i already explained there is a hearing almost every week except when congress is not in session you can be covering even if it is really boring that nobody isorig attending it is your job to go even if it doesn't get published you write the story you are there you got the experience and that is why you should be doing when i was in college i had a little laptop i would writed wre on the never got published it wasn't enough bloc even the student newspaper did not publish it was just practice for me to get better when i was doing so understand and even if it

may not make it to the front page that doesn't mean doing it is a waste of time. and then just to get better. >> i am barack and they go to viola university you say every year is so different but for you what have you learned the most this year?ear? >> in terms of the conservative movement is has been a very interesting year to say the least. i would say i've learned that some of the people that i looked up to i a don't know if i necessarily do any more base of what has

happened and that is sad to say but it is true. but i also learned this is a huge moment in history and it is interesting to watch to be a part of the political process especially the g.o.p. primary and you i make fed decision to take a stand that you should be proud you did if you have any doubts then you shouldhave m not and would say over the past six months a certain candidate / presumptive nominee i am asked all the time if i regret what i have said and i don't so standing up we believe then when you were under extreme scrutiny so we have six months to go so we will say. >> hi.

i and emily. my question is how you gotiu got involved with or decided to pursue your longer-term projects like your book. >> refers book was a matter of me covering over nine months that i got a phone call from a publisher asking if i ever thought of writing a book so i guess that was a good accident i was fortunate they were interested in because i was from arizona maya understood the issues of the first was a matter to be here in work really hard and thank god i got noticed but the second book i talk about this in the book came about because i was sitting at the 2012 dnc convention covering the

speech house republicans a women in democrat thememocrats liberals are the best place for women to be an duringng that convention they played a seven minute long tribute video to kennedy and with stamp the words women rights champion on the video screen. they left out the most controversial part of his life to leave the girl to die in his vehicle because ever heard his political career stowe that was hard that the political party whether promoting someone not to mention all whole host of other stories so i

didn't feel like there was enough push back from thedn't fh narrative to be falsely accused the they were getting away with all of these egregious things for where we stand. >> hi katie. >> i know who you are. you have a great instagram account. >> thank-you. >> the people want to get involved in political journalism for those a don't have as much access? even if you're not living in washington d.c. that is

something you can do. but got a college campuses there are a number of stories happening en but the administration is spending money on and what stands the administration and is taking or the free speech code and oh what are the policies and what speakers are coming to campus but to give you some examples al 1.day point of order wall to stop them from getting to class to make a point about the plight of illegal immigrants. is the

and i was told me to get extra credit to go see theireakt representative for care that has ties to high moss and other terrorist organizations. other stuff happens without having head deep throws source. and then you can fill up your resume a ballet.. >> so what books would youpiredi encourage a your professional life? >> i think barron dash 11 was a good one and of

course, is a classic. this is a sarah palin question. let me think.nk. of course, many books that would have to give you ahalf toe list but there are a few onlo my bookshelf one that is actually signed by william buckley to understand not just something happening today before very long time and a handout that i read for research for my second book that was put out by theer u weather underground putting a liberation with the buyback of the policies

promoted by people like bill ayers for decades and that have made their way into the policy positions and the programs we have a nurse schools from the federal government. i will stick with that for now. >> i am diane i know you're part of the contributing group to "national review" a wanted to hear your thoughts on how that has unfolded more recently and for the future? >> actually i think there was some miscommunication and misunderstanding of being against the drug issue it was never a trump movement actually there a lot of writers that were parts of it i am nottr

completely willing to vote for him over hillary clinton but dennis prager has people on the list to openly said they will vote for donald trump i never discussed to will be voting for i don't plan on doing that but i don't think at this point the never trump movement has much leverage i find it very interesting over the past two or three weeks we have seen a lot of push back on the rhetoric that has been used and panicking among other conservatives and republicans about how we move forward with trump as the nominee paul ryan says he will back him but people need to vote their conscience which is and isn't exactly an endorsement but it is too late to change the situation now thaton doesn't mean they shed job

upon the trump train i can understand why people on the other side say what they are saying so i don't think never trump is going anywhere they should have been panicking six months ago. >> we're so grateful to have you speaking today to your room full of young conservative women prefer her you speak of your experience at another women national conference can you talk about that?u director you talking about the now conference? >> i am. [laughter] >> tavis during research for rebook and they're right about this and the book i wanted to go to the national

organization for women conference in chicago tough because i was doing research and wanted firsthand experience and second i would be in chicago which is ground zero for activism in the united states but only today but from the '60s with bill ayers and his wife are now at the university of chicago teaching and northwestern so really it is ground zero for barack obama in chicago so i applied for press credentials and three days before the event i get the e-mail message dated soan much but it has been denied i wrote back and said as a female, playing the female card credentialed members

and as a member of the press i am curious as to why you would reject my credentials and the never answered. so then i show up undercover. everybody was very nice but not a lot of energy in their room they certainly weren't doing the things as on campus are the same philosophy is a really seemed they were holding on to that third wave of feminism that they had started to promote ideas that our no longer relevant to s to the women's movement today as you know, most women are pro-life in terms

of late term abortions and trending more and a pro-life direction some believe we should have some restrictions on abortion buton this conference and these women were handing out w abortion on demand stickers and really promoting that type of lifestyle that we left behind a long time ago but the most interesting ago thing was i expected the abortion stuff and the pro woman's death obviously they have a different perspective than we do but i found interesting what they were selling in the things that igs a purchase their they were selling the car a marks communist manifesto, they were selling rules for

socialism and teachings for socialist books that i i purchased and they were selling a variety of other books by authors that were dedicating their entire life to karl marx teaching to reiterate them through their own remarks so when i read it through all of that i found out they had a long-term game, they hijacked the women's movement and the ideas that we see today with the life of juliet and of you remember that but the woman going from birth through death a lot of that was published in the '70s and '80s so that is what i found at that conference. >> how do you think that we

as individuals can fight the left narrative of being a victi? victim? >> user of an argument against them is a good way to fight their ideas. for example, this is one notor of many but if you are a negative for the second amendment for women to defend themselves in the third wave feminism would argue you should be antigun then your response is isn't it that it advocates for women to be individuals to take care of themselves? that is what i am doing where you forcing me to be reliant on a the government or the police for my own protection or safety? isn't feminism about being an individual for me to take care of myself whether economic or personal safety or the choice is that i make? and would throw that back at them anytime they advocate

for you to be dependent the easy argument feminism is about being independent why are we advocating to be dependent especially on the government? whittier question is to motivate students ever politically apathetic especially with the of the election cycle that is so apathetic? >> make it personal so for example, if you know, from bernie sanders like to make craft a year you should point out that the government wants to regulate craft beer to the point it will make kraft brewing as an individual is a legal so to plant the seeds you don'tas have to make the big argument but planting a little seeds with a start to question why they advocate

for something and how would affects them will ultimately change their mind so they'll go research that issue but g than others that affect them another good example is on campus we see a horrible movement and boycott of israeli goods when students that our apathetic not protesting but not condoning or condemning dropped a hint in say isn't it funny there protesting israeli goods but they're all on there i funds? half of the components are made in israel than they were old think about that are maybe start to get involved so maybe just how things affect them is one way. >> was there ever a time that you question end your ideology and hasn't strengthened your view of?

>> and of never questioned it to use a term from barack obama i have devolved on certain issues one way oron the other i am much more pro-life now that i think i was because i learn more about the issue i used to think of it it's not a big deal and once i learned more about it fly have much stronger viewpoints now. i think dave called on the issue of gay marriage everyone's position comes from personal experience whether religious people that you know, or are gay so i have devolved on that but that is politics but not philosophy of your views change based on your experiences.

i've always been a strong advocate for the second amendment in my views on that will never change. so yes said think i changed a little bit but i never questioned a liberal or conservative by any means. >> thanks for being here with us this afternoon i'm from the university of kansas and today we have talked about networking and mentor ship but is there a moment in your career that you see as defining?me >> yes. there are two there are a lot but most aren't with the one that launched me into getting started initially to where you are today. so and college my parents roys advocates of academic

cancer they sent me to the s.a.t. can't buy wasted their money because they still failed the s.a.t. [laughter] but in college i was going to graduate my junior yearuate u basically i was going to move across the country didn't know if it was here or new york sarah took a trip with my mom and there is a national association conference so we decided to go since we would be in town. it is for professors and confe professionals it not for a junior in college but i went anyway one professor i cannot remember his title belong story short he was on a panel made a statement i asked a question and we got into a back-and-forth debate with what journalism professors for advocating

their students read in their class's he was advocating just read "the new york times" i said also "the washington times" in addition to get a balance and that led to a nice young man running we down in the hallway with my mother giving me his card and said let me know if you want to come back for the internship so i emails him five times and he finally got back to me and put me in touch with someone at town hall i applied for the internship and got it i really do think that was crucial to get to where i am today.e i am today. second, everybody asks how i got on television the first time. first was msnbc but first on fox news was on read i and my first seed pack as a young professional i had as college but not working. i had the ticket to the reception it was so hot the

lines for so long i see grey a and and he walked in the door and i think i have to talk to them so i try to get over there and i hear them from a distance say they are going to leave because they are complaining because the line for the beer is too long so i say don't worry i will get you a beer. what do you want? to went to the front of the bar because i am tall i cut everyone and i got their beers. [laughter] the next thing you know, th they invited me to come onon the show. so i slipped my brothers dorm room on the floor like a 400 square foot apartment with three boys which was so gross that i did it and it was a defining moment and a good listen in humility as

well one more question? do you? are you sure? you look like you do. >> how do find the balance between yourself and understanding people will never agree with you?th >> i intend to speak up but when i'm having a conversation or debate orte or presenting a point isn't necessarily getting them to agree with me but simply to present to people of all sides of the argument to make their decision and i am on television debating a leftist i know i will notch change their mind they have this on tv to disagree is the point but the goal is tohe present a better argument

than them based on the facts and what you know, and people that are watching to make their own decisions as a better argument so don't try to change their mind just make an argument. okay. keep up the good work. [applause] >> from saturday's "washington post" riding that dozens of delegates launching a new push to halt donald trump and we are live from the newsroom. >> a key point in your stories are not talking heads our party operatives but delegates. >> exactly in that is what is important for anyone that is rolling their eyes when they hear about this that finally we're finding out the people who are empowered

to nominate formally any candidate taking upon themselves to do something we have heard from disaffected republicans saying why can somebody else stand up to do this why can't we do something to slow the momentum or force concessions? a bunch of delegates have been trying to do that and they finally found each other and started organizing and a way that mirrors the initial activist and leaders of the tea party movement started six years ago. they are mad as hell and not taking any more and try to do something about it. we found people i a while washington state colorado or it -- arizona better getting together hoping to find enough delegates across the country to make something happen. >> paul ryan said he would never tell anybody to do contrary to their conscience

be he has said he will vote for donald trump and how significant were his remarks >> remember he is the titular chairman so he has to remain above the fray when it comes to this but essentially he is signaling i will not put my thumbs on the scales one way or the other if you want to try to do something and have the momentum then do it. by using the word conscience that will warm the hearts of those that are trying to do this they are trying to propose what they are calling that conscience clause taking it to the convention rules committee one week before to propose instead of pounded to the results of your caucus or primary they should be allowed to vote for whomever they prefer to vote their conscience and in some interpretations that is the way it is already supposed

to be but the rnc chairman say no delegates are bound to the results of what happened in their state and must vote that way for a few first rounds he probably seen how this works the first one or four rows they are bound that they can do whatever they wanted their arguing know they can do what they want from the beginning because there is an organization that chooses the nominee not the voters of the state's because we are electing delegates nodded candidate directly to a convention speech major piece includes a statement by donald trump saying he won almost 14 million votes i have tremendous support and get the biggest crowds. whose specifically your which delegations are behind this effort and how will this unfold with momentum? >> no one full-blown delegation is behind this

this with there are members of different delegations that our you have members in colorado especially that was the state that ted cruz the texas senator used to organize supporters as early as last summer to go to the state convention to get the delegates needed there one of the few that did not hold a caucus or primary rely on the convention but that is how they banded together to continue in hopes to get trump to not be the nominee so the home base is in colorado or washington state some on the east coast as well to anticipate the growth part of the reason now they can figure of who is who is this past monday is states and territories have to turn in the fellow

west -- finalist so now it is known to pass to go the problem is the rnc were telling people they would not release the last and at this point i am told they may not do that so this will require them to go out to find a delegate to pass the list and compiled the phone numbers and emails that way and reach out and find people that was one master list they could do it by monday morning now it will take longer now you have people who tell me they have been finding each other on facebook or direct messaging on twitter in a very quiet way and subtle way perhaps to avoid scrutiny a fellow republicans even fellow members of their delegation one told me the chairman

threatened them if they didn't vote for trump there would have their credentials removed this is in the staterooms have run but this delegable leaves he should do whatever he wants current especially he has concerns about the conservative politics of trump. >> finally we are one month away from the start of the convention and how significant happened the last two weeks for his remarks or comments or latest numbers? >> all of it because it is beginning to cause worry for the delegates to say the numbers are taking in a head-to-head match up with clinton, he has said and done things that suggest he is in this for his own personal gain and i was struck for disturbed about the federal judges and california not only because raising concerns about his ethnicity but essentially

threatening to use his political power he has amassed to use the power of the presidency to single out a judge because he did not like something he had done and not because he ruled against the will of the people but the self-interest himself and abusing his power also this week he calls for new gun laws in the wake of orlando that was a red flag to a lot of conservatives very quickly to was the second amendment is settled nothing needs done don't touch it so again exposing him he is not conservative to the republican. >> swallow this together they're trying to do something to see if there is a way to stop him at convention and make it clear not for the vanquished

opponents they don't even have a preference on who would be rather than trumpet their eager to do something to stop him in the next month strike the most organized effort so far from child becoming a the g.o.p. nominee joining us from "the washington post" newsroom his work is available on-line. thanks for being with us. >> anytime. >> with the political primary season over we will take you to the political convention. watch the rnc july 18 with live coverage from cleveland. >> going into the convention a matter what happens i think we will go in so strong. >> and watching july 25th live coverage from philadelphia. >> was go forward and then we will return.

>> and then we take our fight racial and environmental justice to philadelphia, pennsylvania. >> every minute the republican in democratic party national convention on the c-span networks

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[applause] ag you very much it is great to be at uh heritage federation margaret thatcher center for freedom i'm glad to introduce my friend i have known him for over 50 years and first met him when i worked at the office in london one of the most gifted conservative writers of his generation. and is responsible for crafting some of thatcher's most powerful speeches and it is fitting therefore he will talk about margaretday to k thatcher just days before the historic british referendum due to be held june 23rd common next week

serving as special adviser to downing street 86388 and assisted her in the composition of her best-selling memoirs currently editor of quarter magazine also has a think tank and a senior fellow at the institute an editor-at-large of "national review" research as editor-in-chief for over a decade and for decades as a writer and columnist he served most recently as executive editor of radio free europe and editor in chief of the united press international on those roles played by pope john the

second for the revival of the western market that has been published in seven languages please join me to welcome him. [applause] >> mitt many thanks foror inviting me to give me such a generous introduction myuc mother used to say john just cannot seem to be able to hold down a job also with the very strong topic in highly controversial with next week's referendum. the policy on the question has been briefly stilled by the young woman labour mp we hope that he was a mentally disturbed and not a fanatic

most would not share her pub -- politics but she would give her opponents a wife and mother someone who had written from a background the first member for family to go to college and then to high political office we should mourn her passing to seek justice for the murder because all quarrels waldegrave so my topic today is thatcher and it seems to me a few months ago highly significant flaws the first battle of the referendum campaign was over the question what will lead maggie do? how would she vote in the. referendum? it was a quarrel between the friends of mine but not

household names but for a well informed debate but even more interesting is the fact for a quarter-century after she left office she is only one of two postwar prime minister's the view on britain's role in europe is contested and important to large numbers of british people that is because whenever either criticism levelled against her or believed both leaders recognized universally of the visceral patriotism to make them love their country and fight hard for attention no other prime ministers inspire the same belief and that is why they ask what would maggie do? i will return to that and if you minutes but i must first

describe the thatcher legacy if you want to understand a basic drive of thatcher is is to be found that she addressed to a television interview toward the closee of the 79 election campaign almosthe election campaign almost over she cover the down her guard for a moment and explained i cannot bear britain in decline i just it was alsr it that was complete the sincere but also prophetic thatcherism was the politics to reverse the decline of britain but she was a practical politician rather than a philosopher and her legacy is that results of practical responses to facing the problems of the day initially reversing britain's decline because

the most obvious three economic her remedies were cautious and flexible ands responsive as they crossed the government's path and rooted in ideology drawn largely from the tradition of liberal economics.rl as pointed out in her fine study of the anatomy of thatcher called to both parties and told of first world war and was seen as a conservative as much as a classical liberal and also an intellectual form to application to of the new government but above all thehe most obvious rivals social democratic version of keynesian isms' seems to have come to the end that would bring britain's stick to a standstill of

discontent therefore there was a strong claim to be a new economic common sense following the implosion of the postwar consensus the economics but it was neverests e purely economic set of ideas and their challenge from the other direction mrs. thatcher drew another relevant traditions like traditionded national interest in the moralistic one of internationalism to justify the patriotic purpose is of the day and the economics her impulses were not the final determinant tough policy a fierce patriotism drove her but a government by a highly practical prudence the to

faulklanictories in the falklands war she did not expect or plan for the argentinian siege but the seizu politics of national regeneration can hardly refuse such touch challenge even though she was in a way she let them play out to the hand and took calculated risks diplomatically but only after she digestive the best military and vice at several points she offered concessions to bring azeris the issue privately thought were dangerous but did so on the calculation the greater dangers lay said she maneuvered to victory as moving towards is similarly she surrendered to the union demands in 1981 when she wasnfot informed that britain had

insufficient stock to resist a strike but she began the buildup of coal with other preparations to resist a strike that might come later when it did in three years she defeated it. victorto outright politicall victories ran counter to the usual british politics of compromise to split the difference with her prominence of cold war diplomacy is successful economic policy they established the dominance to entrench a hurry reforms as a new consensus for british politics to elevate her international profile and she personally played a crucial role in helping other west european governments to resist the power of peace movement in getting u.s. missiles stationed in western europe in my view that is how we

won the cold war and ended the cold war peacefully to the mid to late '80s to be sure that juror was obviously is a board and a partner in the thatcher reagan relationship on military dramatic -- diplomatic policy given the havn size it couldn't have been otherwise indeed she should be the junior partner but she wasn't she would be regarded by history as the revolutionary and economic reformer in the first place the recovery of the britishh198 economy was more impressive because it started from the lower economic point in the more left-wing country jimmy carter was good at ruining the economy but didn't match

the socialists that had been running it since the postwar times. then she had a harderhad opposition with the labor rerket and deregulation and, resistance and finally the reforms had to defeat the challenges from thee labor unions once they were defeated the british economy showing ameritech to provide a demonstration of a market reforms and what they could accomplish in a short time those were not identical but tax cuts were the principal intellectual exports in the reagan years privatisation was britain's end of the two that turned out to be more important globally in the post-communist economies were burdened by large and

efficiency that it was aiz ready-made solutions so it succeeded with the most unlikely participants thatcher posed an economic either refto the soviet union or fall further behind the capitalist west the comparison for a decade of free-market economics andco the continuing stagnation of the soviet economy after 70 years of communism was too embarrassing to ignore. once perestroika was introduced it very rapidly destroyed that what it was designed to save and once the soviet bloc collapsed in 1989 revealing the extraordinary wasteland from state planning the thatcher

model that they sourced to emulate. thatcher and reagan and john paul the second world heros in post-communist europe but to thatcher justice of akia and estonia helped as a model of how to reform the bankrupt socialist economy they say as much today. in the post communist that was part of the thatcher model were quickly economies rose from the dead not only in the post-communist world to be seen as an inspiration thatcher had been important impact of privatization to control public debt lower taxes the reduction of barriers to trade and capital movements they were the new conventional wisdom for ministry of finance around the globeme the watch w

globalization of the imfre natuy reports there are points of view much more critical than the thatcher legacy the my you heard from me they argue the economic policy from veterans and argue that it simply failed undoubtedly it is true that errors were made hardly does the government hardly make an error but it is far outweighed by the economicm, noy successes make sustained productivity she left britain as the four french economy but the general sustained performance continued through the majorra administration's write-up through the 2008 financialecomil crisis and on becoming

chancellor in 1997 after the labor victory gordon brown concgiven a treasury a briefing that concluded with the words these are wonderful figures to which he famously replied would you want me to do? and then they think youre note? even from her legacy wasect theo direct it is not a conclusive criticism of her overall record the privatization safeguarding contrast, traditional democracy the victory of therolg falklands the role on reagan and coal the trade uniontrade un reforms these and other imports were important and beneficial in strategic or constitutional even if theyy contributed nothing to economic improvements one can sensibly match criticisms of these

achievements but it is simply not possible toen persuade open minded people that their political disaster the proof to use the word labor and liberal democrat party is they do not propose their repeal or rejection now the exception to this list of achievements is the european union most of her biographers and critics said third-party and country would see in retrospect as the style gesture would be left behind by history and by britain futu when it embrace european future and until the last few months when it was split down the middle that was truly european look like her critics might be right but it is clear this question is

open and her views to influence others the debate on what would she do began? and to write bad opening salvo in the sunday times in which she argued she would say yes of the referendum and was the closest collaborator as indicated by the fact he and his wifely were the only other guest that the downing streeter dinner party that he gave to president and mrs. reagan. . . think his opinion on this question commands respect.