went through on 9/11 he would say to america quote all america's most recognized in the face of terror is not the true face of islam. it's a faith that is made brothers and sisters -- based upon love not hate. thank you president george w. bush. for reminding us of that terrible moment in history who the real enemies were. they want people of islamic faith and they want those with extremist views like the ku klux klan and like hatemongers of westboro baptist church. that resident at that moment history got it right. we have got to get it right today because we are being called unlike many generations have in the past to respond to the legitimate fear of terrorism in a way consistent with our

american values and when we look at this notion that we are going to condemn a faith i think we have gone way too far. ms. khera i know you want to say something but let me ask you first do you live in a muslim neighborhood? >> no, i do not. >> do you know what a muslim neighborhood is? >> i was scratching my head at that when i first heard that term use. the muslim community in the united states with few phuoc sections is actually quite spread out and integrated into the broader america. >> that is my experience too that i can show you some irish catholic churches in chicago and some areas on the north shore where jewish populations live but muslim populations at large per se and they seem to be dispersed family and we talk about the trolling and enforcing muslim neighborhoods i'm at a loss.

what was he trying to say? what is a muslim neighborhood? .. >> >> let me just dash i called senator flake at his home on a saturday evening when he visited the mosque in

arizona and thank him. >> i sent personal thank-you letters as well. >> it was such a thoughtful gesture totally consistent. >> i think jim for having the courage to do it. >> i just want to make it clear that there have been hundreds of islamic scholars in united states and around the world that have condemned tourism routinely in in fact, there are some scholars who have taken on the narrative of isis at great peril to themselves the number of them have received death threats because of the work they're doing. so i cringe when people say they're not speaking out against their faith.

>> this is an important year and glad we're having it is there a fight for the heart and soul of most radicals and muslims? is that a fair statement? >> it is about the fact that terrorism is days and to amend the underbelly of it i cringe at the thought. >> there is definitely robust discussion within the muslim communities. >> is is important to side with those that were given peace with us to build a better faith and those that

share our values so here is what i have learned after 37 trips to iraq and afghanistan. all things equal most moms and dads don't want to turn their daughters over to them. so when i hear they're all the say they're not. the bottom line is that it will be culturally different. sweeney partners of the face. back here at home how many do you think we're fighting a war? >> there is obviously a war. >>. >> so what do we do with the

radical leaders out there that sympathized? >> i have never heard of one inside of the united states. >> i believe there are imam that condemn violence but they sympathize with the division of the world if that is a land of for so it could be fought in because they didn't to advance the idea through the evangelism of a sea of political mentality. >> the only reason i mention this i don't want to profile. let me tell you my experience. a young man grew up in afghanistan graduated from high school as but sen

interpreter with a former high school wearing a uniform his job was to guard me and if you do have a radical preacher or whenever is it okay to follow them and monitor what they do? >> so to espouse radical thoughts and having radical thoughts is not illegal so then we went to the airforce that was 1977 to be a part of the communist party who

so the enemy was the communist ideology is all i am suggesting is this young man who happens to be an american muslim hates the ideology as much as i do because he is the first victim because he is worse ever problem but i am trying to suggest the guy who did the killing in orlando is the same as a suicide bomber in syria. >> s.a. subject matter expert to protect the american people the threat of foreign and domestic because this organization operating in the united states very plainly from the intention.

and in english and says. >> you are not answering my question there is a current that is close to shore real lawyer talking about the tactics of radicalism. >> who is the fbi guy? [laughter] >> ordered the odds they going to the samos cannot know each other? >> i have no idea. >> call i am suggesting is the american muslim to take up arms but had to create a

hero when you have centers of radical activity how in the hell could it be a big guy killed 49 people at the club in orlando the winter the same mosque that there is it something going on? >> it is entirely reasonable and if we feel we are so hamstrung. >> that is the point that you cannot talk about the obvious? >> in my case it was the hub of the conspiracy used for recruiting and conspiratorial

conversations. and they used it because they thought that was a safe place to do that. and not just so law enforcement but intelligence gathering in what is supposed to be a war with the authorization of military force in harm's way >> having said that the overwhelming majority are not that way but when you have a connection and how you deal with it? and what your perspective as much as anybody else. >> it is how you define radical. they want to take up arms against america. and with those religious rulings.

in those that perpetrate conspiracy theories all of these are the underbelly of ideas. any is a 12 step program. and with the connection of nonviolent islam is some. but they're not going to connect it just like alcoholics that made the first up they are in denial and we perpetrate that. >> id law-enforcement if there is reasonable suspicion. >> this is a good way to end of this. >> we're fighting a war not a crime. and i am convinced you are worried we have gone too far the of the right.

>> en your testimony you talk about peaceful muslims in america working with you to help prosecute the case can you describe to this committee the difference between the muslims they and islamism that faces violent jihad? >> i think it is hard to define the muslim faith because there are too many divergent interpretations. it is easy to identify islamism that i really call sure riata -- sharia law. but my impression listening to the back and forth today

is we're underestimating how serious the problem is. i don't think it is a handful of radicals vs everyone else that would just raise the west. with a well-known classic manual to data will supply with the committee's permission. and open to the page that says g. hyde means to war against non muslims and expected -- explains the etymology we could go through several different aspects and so forth.

and with sandy mccarthy's view, this is a manual that is important enough to include the endorsement basically the sharia law faculty at the center. but also with the islamic thought. and i believe from the early '80s. so the point is that if read via a - - ideology is radical because it supplant the constitution since the core tenets are

antithetical. so to me that his radical if you want to blow up of privilege or not. here want to there is a lot of people that buy on to this to some degree or another. some percentage of them are jihadist. to create the save space and the forcible commands and the bellicose interpretation is something that is preached by a very influential scholars to have

some religious tenets. but allowing it to cloaking itself. of a totalitarian political philosophy. new york you underestimate toehold that it has on a group of 126 billion people. it is your testimony we do lead to service to the muslim community when we lumpen the peaceful muslims the share our values so is that a fair understanding? >> it is too easy there is

no urgency. the there is an urgency against a the root cause it was a bipartisan effort to lay out what are the ideas in the faith of islam that separated without political movement. and at the core is the identification the reason he is recruiting to the level that he is they end up wanting to die. kinnealey counter to that is starting to teach our kids is preferable to want to die for america until we start teaching the difference in the engaging in programs that do that.

>> thanks for your courage to defend truth at risk than knowing risk of personal risk that is a powerful import blood dash important demonstration of courage when senator graham asks his questions and found one exchange quite remarkable that senator graham announced if there were any radical imam in the united states and her testimony when she had never heard of any radical imam in the united states who heads the but the sub al qaeda zero or isis provide fine that truly astonishing although i would note is a entirely consistent with the purge that testified about the obama administration has undertaken because one of the things the upper jaw did

was. >> and removed the references as an incubator so her testifying is consistent with the purge. and and the exact question so did you encounter? >> we can't forget. but "the blind sheik" was one of the most knowledgeable people scholars and my time consistently talks about the implementation of sharia law

that is a different than the ideology of al qaeda or isis anyone there reads their magazines are studies the ideology colossally quoting islamic law. they are constantly quoting that. so we have a fundamentally flawed approach and we have to look at sharia law that as a much bigger problem than what we're willing to except. >> talking to 911 when the call was recorded and i will read a portion the operator asked what is your name? >> favorite is the pledge allegiance. >> what is your name?

>> on behalf of the islamic state. >> that is what the tape recording shows however run the attorney general released it the words omitted the been the islamic state. what does it say that fed department of justice is said is seeing in the racing the statement of who he pledges his allegiance to? to mccaffrey note with that would be consistent with the purchase consisted of removing references to mosques specifically as a radicalization and incubator. >> yes, sir. >> mr. mccarthy and want to talk about the threat of

islam is some. that this deliberate blindness cost american lives over and over. looking at little rock course he inverted dino over and over we see warning signs they had evidence does not prevent to it. the above minister issued

new to be an electronic communication and though is just a reference to the obama administration new asked about the possible justification since but yet the administration did nothing but in your view is a soldier hinging asking about the precedent he to prepare power presentations mengele he believes. >> they're highly secretive him red flag -- because it wasn't the dash in teach.

part of the recent they did not act against him was with a full correctness. looked at the brothers from boston. and then ended up culminating of the two brothers to set off a pressure cooker bombs at the

boston marathon that injured approximately 180 and are those days if the fisker red flag that ought to be met with the serious law-enforcement and response to prevent its acts of terrorism? i believe they treat to the ideology as if it was not a trigger to violence. >> the final example is. >> key and watched and

evidence indicates they may have attended the same mosque. are those the sorts of red flags that ought to a sugar seuss' national scrutiny. >> and not acting to prevent a terrorist attacks on the

united states. >> had think so but rather the extent to drop the intelligce efforts of a fairy ted ideology is tour russia and says you should be in thanks for the hearing. i am interested in late of the statements made of allegiance, that were made to privacy in freddie no. and the credit taken by i

isis at least for the orlando massacre. what objective evidence there is that isis is inspiring were supporting rate ended think there is evidence of it. if only of what has been made public and the understand there is the other and he but to inspire and support each pledges it

is an offense'' the enclave of allegiance but that raises some red flags. let me ask what objective evidence do eupepsia isis inspiring or supporting? >> i think that's isis like al qaeda, is less important that transcends them all and will outlast them all and end it is catalyzing beecher

>> get what they can attribute and take good vintage performances just a busy ideology more than the organization. >> we could kill a remember of the al qaeda at robo if rigo does live dash and if and the spread after the doctrine to say we play wack cable with jihadi groups.

and anything is to enact of desperation and a reflection of their weakness so we have to be very careful over the reach but if they reach out like wives polemicist dash

and we should be very careful to attribute that to the group that's taken in but taking credit and will put the in san there is the

battle within the house of is bob you a wish but until we have a coherent domestic and foreign policy and the house to see this reader again began. we get rid of a.

>> i saw you riding for word raw and holland put over the course of for five years they injured but i saw up close and personal the largest cahow i saw them transform those that there

were staying in some of the so that was best wishes a news motivation and a commitment to ideology. >> i understand if it meant

and ideology as well as potentially recruiting and training with the knicks as the greatest chance to august country in the history of the era of an edge as constituting an ever rides support because you want to stock of the isis the also wherever it is doing to inspire and orlando

woes and even with the attorney general. , i found the point about the responsibility. >> i will quickly ask three more questions. but i wanted to fall upon batf ideology is triggered and how aggressively were graphically we should be going after the ideology.

and mr. finale so in cases during the '60s. >> day carved out the exception for the advocacy. >> not just dangerous ideology but actions against other americans and senator

sessions had some questions and pushing back the you previously midpoint but help me understand this stand in your view whether we should be engaging in widespread surveillance so of the so-called muslim neighborhoods in the effort to hit that dangerous etiology where's the boundary line for the investigation for those who have a proclivity.

>> what is not protected is to steal the group for violence. first is protected by the first amendment the latter is says he and the only are you ineffective but an american.

i cannot believe we would have that type of activity in our snack but she struck up violent -- a balance with prosecuting with those individuals who are committed to ask if there was an exchange of the importance of moving that was just misleading.

if you read new the point you nuclear stigmatism one. >> specifically to the last point but specifically just to show the concern that if it if both of but attending

day to 17 or a prayer river of an to be the decatur of violence. >> bills that could be indicators from being a faithful moslem or gruesome period his in your making the mistake that they are inclining toward the video of ideologies period closing with you, this mission has been made that the obama administration the to do the

job to keep american safe he was surveil several times are directly and indirectly for those that were trying to see what they would commit to but there were two different possible theories of the case. one is the obama administration this is disrespectful to what i know in what i have known frankly when they see a clear threat they don't care atlantic -- and don't care about political correctness but despite repeated attempts to build incredible case, he

didn't take action in el way to allow and as communicated in one of the largest communities they have taken case after case after case to trial and successfully prosecuted. but "this is it" seem credible to career law enforcement agencies on correctness but tuesday he was supported for those other on the battlefield not taking enough credible steps and secondly york city police commissioner bill bradley said wide scale surveillance programs that

targeted the muslim community failed to produce a single piece of actionable intelligence and frankly didn't work. so how can we strengthened the hand of federal and local law enforcement to keep us safe? >> i do believe the men women there doing everything possible under the of lot and in the cases were red flags are raised, my concern is they're not looking for the right thing or indicators of violence but radicalization depending on whatever model that is. in some cases the models are not accurate. i also agree on the issue of chief bratton we're the surveillance of the entire communities that is why

during the of period they're in place cases were missed because there were looking to broadly rather than focusing in both of those travel overseas to terrorist training camps maybe we should put more resources there instead of watching anisette muslims. >> thanks to the whole panel for your testimony and those who have engaged today. read to have an important question about how to keep american safeco to strengthen the hand in a way that respects bellies and doesn't come up against the cherished first amendment freedoms. if you paulette radical islam or extremism spending three hours arguing over the semantics has moved us closer to developing a more

effective way to defeat isis i look forward to dip coming period with secretary johnson here and we will all follow going forward. i am deeply troubled from the current election season -- and to ban all muslims coming in to united states to keep a list and actively keep the amount and as we try to keep to a country saved. and i worry that proposals and they're following hearken back to the worst chapter in american history.

this great nation turned its back on japanese-american focusing of over 100,000 people solely on the japanese ancestry. and as i prepared for today cannot forget the meeting i had his name was given as a signal supreme court case. and then it was finally and then to do something about it. of any race creed or color. and to set assad proposals

keeping with the errors in the past with the core constitutional commitments in with a better background finding the bipartisan task force. >> thanks to each of the witnesses for coming i will briefly make the closing observations. several colleagues invade and locations and if or crush its i would agree that

the kkk is bigoted in medieval and has no place in a civilized society and i would note the suggestion that that could somehow be extended to the christian faith and dr. martin luther king were christian and ministers and one of the most powerful of written from the birmingham jail as the right to murder others because they do not share the fate. and we should speak candidly and vigorously for anyone advocating for their murder of innocents a secondment observation that is

disappointing after hearing day testimony of 876 documents. >> but then about the purge that resulted in to lead the uncovered she hide from the 9/11 report after report after report that apparently there at the -- the censorship of intelligence materials is not a concern to my colleague. i would note the senate has a long history to hold the executive accountable at the time reface a global war on terror i hope my colleagues on the democratic side will

express real concern about a censorship. >> if you months before a general collection could be irresistible and i would do nothing about that. [laughter] but yet not a single one of the democratic colleagues asked questions or express concerns as to why over and over to respond to read maya eggs before those terror attacks were carried out. law enforcement cannot be

perfect butted is the obligation of the senate the red flags are there the signs of their bid to administration does not connect the dots to prevent the sacks of terrorism. saddens me not a single question from the democratic side of the aisle focused on why did we do more to prevent these facts before they happen? it isn't a question of semantics whether the administration is willing to read knowledge with the threat is and willing to act to prevent acts of terrorism before they occur and once again thanks to each of the witnesses for being here we will keep the record open for an additional five business days and the hearing is adjourned.

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