entitlement. >> what obama has done and what trump gets right to it seems is talk about those issues steadied talks about those things and i have been told that some of trump's comments are pretty out there. in difficult to enforce as user bin u.s. army i can see what he is trying to do with big wedges and is so

frustrated and i get what he is doing it makes me wince a little bit. >> one of the things that i noted especially during the recent campaign is you are pretty good at it. you have an impressive way of speaking. what advice would you give for his speech tomorrow night? >> i watched super tuesday was a little different it wasn't so high-pitched and he wasn't trying quite so

hard if that is a style he will adopt it is important to punch out big messages during the speech. >> you are not a fan of barack obama? >> ims is huge rand. otherwise we would not have won the referendum. no. i am not a fan. >> you call him the most anti-british american that has ever been. >> anti-british president. >> the others was a long time ago.

i definitely felt we had the oil spill he could not say british petroleum. you are saying something there. >> i notice of first visit i think there was of a lot of first-time what about those number of visits? they are probably quite well received but no. i thought though way that he behaved during the brexit

campaign he was talking down to britain. where the of parliament was overruled or the court zero dash door the courts. index also think the state department completely misread people say it is like nafta? no. is a forged without the consent in the big mistake of the state department line. in to be inside the european union. that is closer to american interest and big trading

partners now that we are free reeking get odd doings trade deals together to get back to balance of foreign policy so washington had is wrong for a long time. and what lessons we can avoid? >> that capital cities will get married and where they operate from. we have seen that development of a professional and physical media. . .

a whole set of attitudes and ideas increasingly that people have turned against without others noticing. i suspect the washington beltway is and that to some extent what the tea party was all about. >> it's interesting because you talk about marrying into each other's family. you are aware that he made sure that they came to his wedding. and that trumps and the clintons and the media they all aired the air the same thing. how can he be an outsider

against the establishment quacks. >> but if you are big business figure it make sense as a businessman to head relationships because you never know who is going to win the next election. you're right. he is very rich. what we've seen in the uk is that the voters they are not concerned where you come from what i think i've seen is the blue-collar class of people. what they don't want our politicians to tap them on have they want politicians that speak to them directly and understand their concern. >> i want to talk about the voters and the similarity who came to your site in the uk

and the ones that seem to be propelling the donald trump thing. they seem to be white, working-class more male than female is that the way it lines up in your eyes quacks. >> not quite that simplistic it is a symbol of that. the traditional working class whether that's blue-collar industrial workers were self-employed people running small businesses overwhelmingly they did vote for that. why did they do it. not -- it is not just immigration. but actually the meeting in your country believing that you should have your own parliament that makes your own laws been unashamed to be patriotic.

it's something that westminster has really looked down upon for many years talk about the moving of forces that drives that you can just walk past that pretty quick. >> immigration, if we were just having the referendum that was purely around sovereignty and self-government and determination it would be very difficult to win that referendum. but what they did since the 1950s we have a managed image policy. that ran and about 30,000 people per year. we need to know how to do this but generally, of all the countries in europe we have the best relations in the best integrated levels into our

society. we the government who wanted to open up the doors and then we have those countries. they were very poor. countries in some cases that have not made the transition. and the government acts -- estimates it that it would lead to an extra 13,000 people coming per year. it was obvious to many of us that it would be many multiples of that. so we now have official net migration figures. i am pretty skeptical. but official figures more than ten times what those figures were. we have the distinction there. everyone has seen it before.

the entire family is that. the point that i kept making it during this campaign was, that is or should be that. your opinion union so our population is 65 million but that effectively because of the membership is now available. the argument in this referendum is the only way you can control the numbers you come into your country is to leave the eu. and what people out there saw is this other wages been compressed. they saw their access to getting their kids into local primary schools and getting an appointment with their local

dr.. and since that they have taken for granted more and more things that you would expect to do in this language it's similar not exactly the same. i believe you would first talked about muslims and then we should let them in and then change it to should be mostly christians when i talked about was who qualifies as a refugee. the tiny christian population in countries like iraq and syria. they are generally being persecuted because of their religious beliefs. we are a country that has given refuge and my family were refugees but

protestants. i'm sure some in westminster would like to bring them back. we have always done that and given refuge to people. and i warned about this last april and last may they have implemented asylum policy of who qualifies to be a refugee. they draw them so wide that it means countless millions of people i think they made a real mistake. before we exercised the exit where there be a flood of migration into the uk. we are not this language all through the referendum.

we don't want to go back 500 years and i want to put up the drawbridge want to control who comes over. it isn't just the numbers that are coming in but you actually choose the people whether it is by qualification or checking criminal records or whatever else it may be. so thankfully what we talked about in the campaign was being like every other normal country in the world. to come to america or to settle i would have to pass a series of test and that's what we voted to do. if it takes place two and half years or whatever may be there is a danger that there could be a big flood of people greece is once again heading

for some prepayment that she can't possibly meet in the banking system is in a very perilous state. i think there can they can have to say hang on. everybody has come legally would have fully protected rights. is there any phobia in this. >> there is no failure in that we are proud to be the united kingdom. we believe in our own potter -- parliament. we should control the numbers of people that come into the country. i had been accused of all sorts of things. i had been accused of anti- european. i thought everybody was simply frightful. just not the case.

i worked for the french company for some years. i am married to a german. so no one needs to tell me about the dangers of living we are going to be a bit freer is bad for the whole european country. the notion of the spreading not from you to the people and we were talking a little bit about this and people seem to be disconnecting from certain institutions or alliances. partly because half of the country doesn't call themselves democrats or

republicans anymore. and me enjoying the beer that you did not get to taste. there was a report out this week from a great polling institution that now a majority of americans don't call themselves any religion. then we have disappeared in britain and here is it an international movement and a disconnect isolate what is going on. that's exactly where it was. we have a set of priorities that are not shared. by people in their own countries. what's fascinating about that is that we have such a big turn out over 70% of the people voted. people are talking about politics again.

whether it's can have some lasting consequences. it's very difficult to say. there are countries who attitude are very similar. and i do think were working to see more referendums. it is international. what name would you put. it's not brexit. the european democrats people that want to live in democratic nations trade together i want to be good next door neighbors. there are lots of things that we need to cooperate with. the idea that you should surrender the democratic rights to a set of institutions is absolutely crazy. i think there will be big pressure so we could get i

think there is a chance of a referendum in that. who knows if we go for three. >> what about other alliance. donald trump has called it obsolete. are we going to see this. they have some problems with definition. it was very clear in the cold were exactly. but do i think it's an organization of value i do. i think we just need to redefine what we have it therefore. and in terms of angry americans we are now in a much better position than we were before independence day.

increasingly we were seen the european union foreign-policy developing in a way where we stopped speaking in the nation we allowed them to do it for us. that was what was happening. the plans for the european army very ambitious plans. you might say, that actually whatever ambitions they have the reality is that it is so small. it is not going to be a part of that. i think effectively. it diminishes because i think that would've been a direct threat to our relationship. i'm very optimistic about the future. you had been quoted talking about this not just similar from donald trump at you respect his abilities you don't like him as a person. and he has said similar things.

talk more about what you think of him. i would not want to live there. it's a great place to be. i'm not a fan but i thought in 2013 we were on the verge of getting involved in the middle eastern war mainly syria i had been misquoted on this. with the ukraine was a huge mistake the biggest cheerleader of all saying that we should take the ukraine into the european union and effectively what we saw was an elected leader to get the uk

-- ukraine to join them. if you think he is a bad guy don't poke him with a stick. if you poke him he is going to respond. what do you think of your new government. did you think it was going to split in that favor. i didn't want to have it become prime minister. she only remained. she didn't really mean it. she is our prime minister. i think she's made one or two inspired appointments. i think a day that was a director of a big public company before being in politics. and the guy that will negotiate new trade deals including coming to washington and speaking to america.

she has taken the job. she has made some inspired appointments. i hope that she holds faith with those $17.5 million people -- million people. a quick question and then we will ask the audience. do you think you would campaign for any republicans has anyone ask for you to say a word in their district. i don't think in someone else's politics directly is the right thing to do. if there are some lessons about engaging with people that are useful that is great. on to that that would be a mistake. ashley and rosie will walk around with microphones. i think i have a change in plan here. at any rate they will come to

you with a microphone please tell us who you are and ask your question hi i am david smith of the guardian. you mentioned that you suck chris christie speak last night. what did you think of the mood. and why did you say if you were voting for that you would not vote for hillary clinton. it's almost like the sense of entitlement as this country now has that principle. i think there is that sense of entitlement and a sense that she's part of the politics. the american style of politics in the way they express themselves at this convention and i'm sure it would be some

of the same next week. there are no direct parallels to the way we do things back in the united kingdom. and lock her up is quite strong stuff. i would say as we left which by the way i was expecting it doesn't protest. and not very threatening at all. i've have much better protest outside my public meetings than that. but interesting seen some of the language displayed on those protest boards. and particularly on subjects around gay marriage et cetera. there were some big cultural differences. i am here as a fascinated observer of how america does politics but i will say there is a genuine hunger to understand how brexit happened. i think the real story of brexit is this it is the

middle people who have completely given up with politics. they don't believe anyone speaks for them or represents them. if you can inspire those people you can change the world. who else has a question. >> hello, i was just wondering the impact that you have on the conservative party and impacting its manifesto infecting the way it campaigned in a governed how would you say that. you are able to sort of steer the course of the conservative party and the governing style of the elected leadership. >> twenty-five years ago i

embarked on this. because i just didn't feel that our country was headed in the right direction. i thought the project which my parents have bought into as being about trade and good neighbors we could see the political dimension. i've been doing this for 25 years. a lot of the big questions should i try to do this or should i do it as part of the conservative party by trying to work from within. that was one of the great debates in dilemmas that i faced all of those years. it always seemed to me that i kept pumping into people at about the time i tell them what i saw about the membership of the union and i said we completely agree with you.

it's all a bit difficult. i might get deselected. one that it was actually nobody inside the existing think it will cost you. secondly if you are somebody with a sincerely held the i did that. it is taking a lot more years than i thought it would. i might go down in the lost causes. has taken a hell of a long time but ultimately it was the threat that they were beginning to pose to the conservative party. perhaps in an an even bigger way. they cross the traditional

left right there is absolutely no way that they would've made the promise if it hadn't been for the threat in when it came to the referendum itself it was really vital that they were there conserving the vote. i think what they got in the referendum again if anyone got those people how to vote who had voted in 20 years it was us. it was our campaign style. as difficult as it it's been and you take on the establishment they are pretty rude to you. i have to say it has all been worth it. >> who else has a question.

i know you say you are here to talk about how that happened but you had been to the republican and conservative conferences before. you are not going to the democrat once. i know you said the direct passion is useless. what you think that you do have in common with the republican party and with the republican party and the conservative movement what similarities do you see and what are the differences can you crystallize is for us. >> those are big differences. we talked about. they are the big cultural differences. the similarities i think there are or the have been for the last decade or so elements of

the activist base to see what is happening in washington very much the same way that people like me see what was happening in westminster. it's all about disconnect. i would like to think that maybe what we proven is that if you are prepared to fight hard for what you believe in that anything is possible. i think there is clearly an attitude and the disconnect within america i hear quite similar echoes at the same statement be made about westminster. i think there is one over here.

you helped pull off something that was seen by money that was impossible. and so did donald trump. did you say to yourself i could have seen that coming world was as crazy and checking ends amazing as everyone else. i'm a little bit surprised. that is what trump has done. not just in washington but within his own party. and now i could see the way it is. i could see the way the sky makes an argument causes the storm that when he gets condemned by everybody they were taxing. i had been watching this with great interest. i'm not surprised that he got the nomination at all.

it's tough to say who is going to win at this moment in time. he will reach out to those. i think everyone has been astonished at his rise. i suspect it is probably not over yet. a small point may be. you were talking about the opponent appointment that they have made. what do you think of his appointment. we have a foreign secretary who is going to raise it all over the world. and at the same time also make

people smile a little bit. i think it's very good. the three are in position. they have the jobs. some are saying they mess it up it was all that. i just don't take that view. there are three people who are committed to this and i just hope we have the courage to recognize what a strong hand we have and i'm in no doubt by 2019 we will be out of the european union what i question is exactly what we are going to get in perhaps the ultimate text is at the next general election will be held back her international territorial waters.

i very much hope that all of those things happen. i can see everyone in the room. the perception on the side of the pond that has been on when it was there. and people like yourself step down. it kind of seems like there is a situation where you guys didn't want to clean up the situation afterwards and deal with implications. i wanted you to address that place. and the other two and the people that i share platforms with all over the country. i was, what i've done policies i've done from the outside. i had tried to change opinion.

talk to the issues people issues people did not want to talk about. we changed the political and gender. we changed the center of gravity. i am staying on as leader of a group in the european parliament to see this process through. i will as it unfolds i will get up in the parliament and make my friend with my constructive speech is that i always do. i am doing. as far as policy is concerned the procedure over the next to two and half years. it's night and day. i am not in the governing administration. leaving a political party to the next general set of elections.

i wasn't one of those people who went for the university and always wanted to be an elected politician. i never thought about being in elected politics. one great cause that i wanted to fight. and i was getting my country back. i'm happy with where i am. and just to wrap up. it has to be very quick. thank you very much. you have to mention that you could stop them from coming in. he spoke out in support of that. do you condemn him in the same way. the rise here has been people that has been quite excited

for this. the party platform is their concern in this kind of area that there is a dangerous trend. trump did not come to the uk. i think he came there to look at some of his business golf interests. it was rather different in terms of scale and intent to what he did. look, i know that since the referendum there are one of two people that have behaved very badly in the country. there are always in any society some elements there are few in number. there is nothing that i have

ever tried to do i would say this but the european union project has done by taking away from people the democratic rights by trying to get rid of their national identities into this new supranational order that no one recognizes. why do we have that. there is not the term of abuse. and why are they the third-biggest party now. actually, if it takes away from people they will move towards the extremes of the right and left politics or even towards balance in direct action. i generally believe that the democratic nationstate not only will they guarantee to doing that i think that is the

way we stopped real extremism. >> to wrap up on a more upbeat note i would just think you very much for coming i would point out behind us is the river. they actually had it start on fire. there is a beer here called the river. thank you. [applause]. following the remarks republican strategist took part in a panel discussion with newspaper reporters about campaign 2016 and 2016 and overall impressions of this week's convention.

i want to introduce you to him. kevin madden is a long time republican strategist, activist smart guy he is a product of new york city and he is a fan of a football team in ohio somewhere. he worked for mitt romney's campaign. with the last effort here. kevin is also the father of three sons and i can attest from the video that one of them has one hell of a backswing.

they started in upstate south carolina. she has covered stories in succulent politics from senator races, presidential primaries and of course the charleston shooting last year. and political words one of the must follow and that key primary states who is expected twins both boys. and jim who is a veteran political correspondent has covered characters from john edwards. anything that happens here in cleveland is not a surprise to him. he has seen it all. for the presidency and the native of chicago like myself. the father of two sons.

we had two full of basketball teams and we need one more for the football squad. we will talk a little bit about what nigel had to say. just to start off with what our guest had to say to anything strike that. what will happen in the next four months with a trump campaign. it's not perfect. so for sure a lot of the elites in washington had one set of interests that are not consistent for a lot of folks. the day-to-day frustrations in the economy.

they also worry about national security. an impact on their daily lives. what we have seen in trump has exploited this we will see how will it works inside the general election. the growing canyon and the frustrations that people have every day around the country. and as one of the similarities that they had pointed out that i think are on play right now. >> i think we saw that in south carolina also. if you were on the ground during the campaign or you go to a trump rally and there are thousands of people filling arenas in the other candidates who started out as more establishment we thought would go farther. they just did it. he caught everyone by surprise and did a good job of redefining who these candidates were and redefining

himself. i think the surprise is very similar to the surprise of the trumps success especially in early primary states. >> i would second what they said. i think he was right on about the disconnect between the establishment and the people and he brought a lot of new voters to the campaign we are cnet and in the ernie sanders campaign. a lot of nationalism involved. in both campaigns. and they talked about making britain an island again. there is still a lot when they are referring to that. not just some of our guest. he told me he walked around the sweets suites and stopped around the convention hall last night.

he's kind of a hero at least to the right. i want to talk about a little bit about the convention. two years ago that is why they kept losing elections. particularly hispanic votes. all of the things that were go growing in the country. they have to do more to get. i just want to ask and talk a little bit about how much of this appeal of trump to the disconnected group of people is also has some xena phobia in it. speemac is just going back to the autopsy. two of the main signings in their where the idea that first we have to define our party by what we were against rather than what we were for and if we were gonna reach out to the fastest-growing parts

of the electorate we would have to reach out to some of the fastest parts for you to go once again to win national elections. one of the interesting parts is so much of what he talks about is what he is against and what people should be afraid of. and some of the exide anxieties that they head about things like race or immigration. and it hasn't been enough about what he would do differently other than build a wall. and as a result of that. we now had an electorate that we will see the percentage of white voters probably drop and see the sheriff of minority voters grow and we had nominated a candidate who has like 70% unfavorable ratings with that part of the electorate. and so that's what i think you see so much resistance inside

the party to the trump nomination. this has not been there. with the convention we all know it they are what they are pageantry. they are performance. part of it is to put on a unified face for the country and i think it has been hard right now we have successfully managed unity. it's hard to say. i think that is a challenge for the next two days. we had two more days to do this. how much had you seen in this convention that suggests the party is getting its message out and drying in more hispanic voters, african-american voters women,. >> probably zero. it seems like a document of a long time ago.

as far as broadening it and reaching out to groups like hispanics with speemac mr. trump almost a go out of his way to do the opposite. i don't think you've heard a lot about appealing to those groups on the podium so far. and there is one person who is missing who has been a star. the first female governor. we also had so neither of them are taking the big podium. she declined. she is keeping a low profile. she was on the state in 2012. i think that is definitely a shift. i think her absence is probably noticed and felt given her clout in the rga and national as a republican. that is a big opportunity to talk about the big tent and a second happen.

rather than using emerging stars the strategy has been remind everybody about the opposition and how dangerous the opposition in office could be. that is why he sought so much of a focus the first two days. on my people have the problem they have. there had been overwhelming amount of rhetoric about hillary clinton. and going to prison and things like that. in the dangers and threats. i am curious do you think this is reaching behind this group of 2400 people to the people out in north carolina and where they have to win some elections. are they reaching any of the middle with this. i don't see how right now. a messages appeal to the base right now.

we had one delegate who left yesterday. he have said in the paper that trump was a danger to america. and he became their very quickly. they are still working on the unity thing within the party. beyond that i don't see any appeal. the dickel the delegations and critically in a lot of the battleground states these delegates are wide in cleveland and pretty split over trump. if not dubious and skeptical about what he's going to do is that still listens that were halfway through the convention. very skeptical of donald trump. we talk talked to one of the delegates he said that he thinks trust is really a democrat.

we have a couple of delegates that are on the persuasion. that's how the delegation needs to come together. we are talking with the state director yesterday she said that when up his petition in the rollcall petition passed before her she said get that out of my face. not interested if we want to win the white house we have to stop this right now i do get the sense even of the south carolina delegates. before anyone thought he was actually can have a chance to be the nominee. a lot of them are saying trump wasn't my first choice but we have to get it together if we want to beat clinton. i think some movement towards that. i had been to a few conventions over the years and i think you been to a few how

does this stack up in terms of how choreographed and disciplined and organized it is. i would say these are always reflections of the candidates and in the sense there is a level i feel of this organization right now because of that. this is a campaign that is coming together on the fly. there are people on this campaign in senior roles who three weeks ago were not. it's very difficult from campaigns we have all worked on. you essentially had people that have been together for two years. in campaigns. and when you had mistakes. the level of this organization and try to figure it out as

they go. i don't think the campaign got the headlines it was all about plagiarism and i'll think the campaign or the party wanted any of that. >> it's not just from someone else is from barack obama's wife. that story has stayed big pretty long really dominated a whole day of media yesterday. and it was a largely a self-inflicted wound. the bar for criticism of spouses and family members is very low. when candidates lives or husbands go up and deliver speeches they are usually not

prone to a higher level of scrutiny. i think that goes for children. so to make a mistake that generates a controversy takes almost effort. oftentimes the impact that you are looking at is usually in the next day. it's the headlines in the atomized version of a speech that reflects very positively on a candidate because the people who know him best are talking about him. that has been the real missed opportunity i think with a controversy that we've seen over these two days. i think what has made it from a two or three hour controversy into a 48 hour one is how the campaign responded. and this is where you have to look at swing voters. people at home that are really strong they don't care.

it's an issue is more simple and symptomatic. it's something that the candidate did wrong. i think where this is a big risk is that it becomes our election on the canada itself when you actually had evidence of plagiarism and then you have the campaign say absolutely not. that makes people question how would you handle other instances where the facts are plainly in front of us. >> it was unrealistic for them to say it didn't happen and people can see. he is a very good friend of mine. he is to have a same let's just take a hit and move on. and you can minimize these things by admitting something was wrong making a change inside the campaign holding yourself accountable. it's amazing how you can

reduce the level of a controversy when you do that. i think it's been worse by how they handle it. >> yesterday the internet was full of means about what she have said that just feeds the flames. >> i don't know with talking to delegates and i agree with kevin for the folks who are signed on this is not going to be any big deal. even in 2012 there were a bunch of things that i can remember i don't know what an impact they have but i was talking to one of our delegates who talked talk to high-level operatives in the party and what he said was he feels like this sort of mistake is definitely one that you can avoid and it is sending a signal to donors is sending a signal to high-level operatives that things are not going well inside the campaign. i think it may have more of an

impact just with building the party in the apparatus moving forward. i doubt anyone is going to be angry at her. or that is going to linger. if there is a fact that there is disorganization on that and it goes forward i know we haven't seen the candidates speak yet but were starting to get a feel with how working to get out of this. they may shape up heading into all of this. >> we are still waiting to see that. the candidate has been there a couple times in the last month but there is very little sign of an actual campaign in the state. in terms of operatives in the people on the ground they have a lot of people who are already there they are spending a lot of money on the air along with priorities usa. something that is from the

trump campaign. that's all we hear from a lot of it. hillary clinton has the big grassroots organization she will use her convention to get it bigger, spending a lot of money and yet they are neck and neck in the polls in the national polls. what does that tell us. they are called battlegrounds for a reason. they are a battle all the way till the end. the big worry i would have if i want to see him win in november is when you have a place like ohio and north carolina, florida and they are neck and neck going into the last 25 days the difference maker and organization and resources in the form of money and volunteers. if you have a really good organization and you have a lot of resources in you have a

very big volunteer network is worth three points. going in election day the organization makes a difference. if you can't flip one of the states based on the map of 2012 you have a hard time winning. we saw that in 2008 when the obama campaign have a major effort in north carolina and they had 14,000 vote win. and when we were doing calls every single night we were going out and came to see what we were believing where the vote university if we did a thousand calls it was 501. that was going to be a tough race all the way till the end. their there organization which was a little bit better than ours and ended up being about a 70,000 vote.

it was very close. and that is a difference between winning and losing. >> the only campaign i ever worked on back in chicago i learned that you knock on doors and you find out if the vote is 501-2499. and you make sure you only get your people to come out. someone made them disappear. orders down town. now we keep focusing on the people who were there. this was a version in a speech last night you don't need data and analytics. a lot of those advances and campaigns help you identify people on a scale of one to ten where they are on a scale and if they are a five they turn them into a seven or and eight. because i have a lot of resources and they know.

the campaign needs to go out and give more. have they made the case that they have a plan to do that. because of the lack of resources it is hard to justify the arguments that they do. you just head to know that donald trump and the trump organization does not go into every meeting and say we don't need to know if that's really worth any money. you know they are doing all of that but did not want to be able to do it and it is a strange disconnect. he will speak of course tomorrow night. this is the biggest moment so far for him. he has managed to succeed. >> i think he needs to convince delegates to go back to their states and become full-time advocates for him winning. they need to be enthusiastic,

the south carolina delegation heard from the speaker yesterday and said you need to get in your car and drive to north carolina and campaign for republicans and try or else the party is in trouble. so he said if you're not willing to do that than hanging up. i think that is what is going to be about this convention is building it. and making them go home and really work, work. what does he have to say to get them even more excited about them or hillary clinton. i think they want to hear more from him on how he will uphold the parties values. especially for people who support cruise for example. crews for example. they say he is a principled conservative they are very much honing in on that and they want to hear more evidence from trump that he is going to be that candidate for them.

>> i think he also to reach out to the middle to the millions of viewers that are watching he has on his side. what he hasn't shown is that he can appeal to the people that are still on the undecided list people are undecided. and independent voters and he has to make the connection with them. and maybe his policy or something else that he hasn't talked about yet. i don't believe it will be on policy. i think donald trump doesn't care about policy i think the one thing if this is an opportunity for him to really harness his best instincts he wants to sell this that he wants to address the idea of unity.

this is not just about donald trump which is going to be very hard but instead this is about that he cares more about the party and its ability to win in november. .. i think if you can do that in a way that makes sure that a lot of the anxieties people have about fearing he's not

presidential and can sort of pivot towards being a bit more of a professional candidate in that sense, he will have made great strides. the question i think is always every time we start to see the neutral, the old trump shows up. yes. >> he's like in speech but then he raises this and that. >> i think people that are waiting around for the new trunk are going to be disappointed. this is the trump they're going to get. >> this is it.>> there is a subtext of this convention which is based on talking to delegates. it's my guess that virtually no one here thinks donald trump would be a long-term president by the nature of they don't think he would serve two terms. or half of them don't think he will be a first term president so a lot of people here are looking out for their own skin. there are other house candidates or they would be presidential candidates, john kasich is also not speaking at the convention in his

state. it's really strange. but he is meeting with the new hampshire delegate. ted cruz is obviously, you wanted a little change in roles, everyone paid attention to south carolina. everyone's angling for 2020, i'm thinking. >> i think that south carolina in particular always exhibits some future potential white house hopefuls but they always play coy and they say i'm not racing yet, i talked to one delegate yesterday about this and you raise some points. she said if donald trump wins he's probably going to want to be the nominee in 2020 but if he doesn't then we are getting some visits to people who we think might be interested. tom cotten from arkansas came by, scott walker who a lot of friends in south carolina, folks who work there, mike

huckabee who has spent a lot of time in south carolina and has talked about his hometown, not coming by in any formal way, ben carson also so you start to wonder about what that means if there's not courting in the primary state and the ohio governor is not planning on coming by. that's a misstep, it would have been good to for him to spend some time. >> obviously mike pence is a new start, win or lose? one of the frustrations have to be for the folks that didn't get selected as vice president as the nominee is that mike pence got what they had to try and work for over five, many of them six years, folks like mike huckabee and rubber chicken dinners in new hampshire and iowa, south carolina. he's got 100 percent name id and a national donor network. they were all given to him in

an instant so that makes him a formidable presence i think in the party going forward if we were looking at 2020 or beyond. >> go ahead, jump in jim. >> i was going to say one of the people they should name as their own governor, nikki haley who would be probably on the agenda in 2020, now she's finishing her second term now. there's a prospect of a woman in the white house, she would be an attractive female candidate on the republican side so you have to include her. >> paul ryan. >> they seem to have a defense, republicans definitely have a much deeper bench of potential presidents than the democrats who have no bench, really quick that's been one of the worries you talk to democrats about is that you know, tim kane is probably the main all store of what the future of the democrats bench is going to

look black but then, bill zack is someone who is not exactly a new exciting name and some of the folks being left out of the conversation here like the castro brothers or others that are some of the youth of the party that this is a missed opportunity to elevate their profile. >> we are done? okay. the gentleman with the sign? >> i'm your sign. on the sign. thank you again to our audience online, live streaming on our mcclatchy website and our audience here and thank you to my panel we will have , we won't be watching this space and we will also welcome them back to that and we will be at the democratic national convention next week with two more panelists to join us there, thank you very much. >> thank you. [applause] [inaudible

conversation] >>. [inaudible conversation] facebook's vice president of global policy gives c-span a tour of its pop-up location in cleveland adjacent to the site of the 2016 republican national convention. joel kaplan talks about the role facebook plays in this election and the evolution of the media in technology. >> i'm adjacent to the

quicken loans arena and media row isprogresses field abutment next to progressive field is this new pop-up location for facebook and joining us as dole kaplan, vice president of global policy for facebook, what's going on here? >> welcome to facebook central, the rnc in cleveland. we found over the last number of elections that facebook has become the new town hall so people are coming to facebook to have conversations with voters for candidates , voters for raising their questions the candidates have conversations among themselves so what we've built here is a place where we can help facilitate that dialogue and give people a chance to share what's most important and what's happening here in cleveland with the people there connected to on facebook. >> this is a sidewalk that's now a pop-up building so let's look at this second. you have a small studio, what's going on out there? >> we go to facebook like you up there. one thing that's new is the ability for people to come on facebook and broadcast live to their fans in real time and it's turned out to be

incredibly popular, it's a very authentic way for candidates, for members of the media to talk to the people who follow them so we built a studio here where they can easily do it and people love it, it's real-time, it's authentic and it gives people sort of a backstage access to the convention they might not otherwise see here so it really is america's 21st century town hall. >> yes, it really is and it turns out that people love to see it. people love to broadcast his way and it gives people here and at home who is not able to come to cleveland, now you can be your life by following people on facebook. if you are millennial spent a lot of time online this is just for you to actually see what happened and take part in the discussion. >> let's walk over here, this huge monitor, what's going on? >> this is our data touchscreen that allows us to show in real time the discussion taking place on facebook about candidates, about issues so for instance here we got our two major party candidates and if we touch on donald trump here you can see over the last 30 days whose talking about donald trump and this shows

you by day what the conversation looks like, the number of interactions he had on facebook. you can see we had almost 28 million different people in the us talking about donald trump on facebook over the last 30 days with over 230 million interactions. likes, comments, shares so high volume of conversation taking place on facebook and you can see different issues. you can see the different issues, these are the top five most talked about issues over the past 30 days on facebook and you see a lot of things happening in news are driving the conversation on facebook as you would expect. so we can keep going on this. this is pretty interesting. this shows you over time, you can see where this heat map ... there we go. over time, which of the issues have been the most talked about on facebook and if you go back and look at

those dates you will see certain things that happened in the news that correspond with something that's really blowing up on facebook in terms of the conversation so it's an interesting way to visually capture what the conversation is as that townhall is taking place all over the country . >> i'm wondering how new all of this is? where were you four years ago and where is this all going? >> the thing that's really new and innovative during this election cycle is the use of live and the ability of candidates to talk directly in real-time to their fans on facebook area four years ago we had a very limited video product on facebook. it was mostly at that time photos, pictures people were taking and their their text comments and now not only do we have an advanced video product but we've got live and that has changed the way the conversation is taking place on facebook and i think it's changing the way the conversation is taking place

around the country and for that matter around the world. >> listing walk down here because you have small replica of the oval office. what was the reason behind all this? >> this is a funding that karen built and people can come in here and pose in our own version of the oval office and post on facebook or instagram. we had a ton of visitors come in and take a picture here, we had been carson here a half an hour ago sitting there and doing an interview so it's been a lot of fun and people love coming in and posting a picture of themselves in the oval office. >> we have moved upstairs, joel kaplan,this really does have a silicon valley field here . >> that's the idea. we want to bring us peace of silicon valley to cleveland and give people an opportunity from cleveland to connect and facilitate the civic engagement around the issues that are important to them. >> what role do you think facebook is going to play in connection with delegates and voters? >> the main role that facebook places we are an open platform that gives candidates, voters, activists, everybody who's

interested in politics and opportunity to share their ideas and connect with people and that's the role that facebook plays in this election in the us and in elections around the world. >> how is your boss mark following the campaign? >> i think mark is excited about the opportunities for people to connect on facebook and share their ideas about the campaign live which we talked about earlier is the biggest innovation around this campaign and these elections. just the opportunity for people to come on facebook and connecting real time in a very authentic way with the people that they are connected to on facebook is a real innovation and it's something that is changing the way politics takes place. >> let me pick up on that thought, not only changing the way politics takes place but your part of the evolution in the media landscape and i have to earlier where you think this is going but just how quickly this is changing for those who want to get news, content and information. >> one of the real landmark

events around that was when he spanned cameras were cut off and they were able to use live platform to broadcast what was happening in the house of representatives during the sitting and i think that's the kind of thing we're going to see all around the world is people being able to share what's happening and what's important right in front of them with people around the world who otherwise would have no access and no understanding of the events taking place so i think that what we're beginning to see and is having much faster than anybody anticipated and we think it's really empowering to people . and really opening up the process of both governance and politics for people to see. >> let return to the policy side of all of this. we talked to you in the past on our communications program. what regulatory issues do you think we will be dealing with in the next administration regardless of who wins in november? >> i think there's a really full set of issues around

technology, the next administration will have to address. high skilled immigration is important to ensuring we have the talent here in the united states to continue to build innovative products and drive economic growth and job creation. there are a number of issues in terms of how the us relates to other countries to ensure that the internet remains a global platform for everyone so the us has a really important role to play in ensuring that we don't see the balkanization of the internet into a bunch of individual country specific internet. we need to keep this global network alive in the way that is grown up-to-date and that's going to be a challenge for the next administration. we see a lot of places around the world that are becoming more closed and they want to have a local internet that governments have more control over. that's something where the us government can play an important role in stressing the importance of an open internet. >> in looking at the history of facebook which wasn't around when we were kids, you

are part of that change, that growth we are seeing so where do you see your role in all of this? >> our role is to be that platform that facilitates civic discourse. over the last 24 hours we had more than 15 million people engaging almost 16 million interactions about the republican convention and that's just here in the united states though we are able to facilitate that engagement that allows people to talk about the democracy that they want and the government they want and we think that's a really important role and wehope to continue to play it when you look at those numbers they far exceed what numbers you will see on commercial or cable television . >> we have almost 200 million people in the united states that are on facebook and there's 142 million registered voters so you can just see that the volume of conversation that can happen on facebook is really significant and we're very proud of that. in the first six months of this year we had 89 million people, different people in the united states talking about the election and almost 2.9 alien likes, comments, shares about the election so

you can see this really is the place where conversation is taking place and that's important to our democracy. >> finally, a question about my questions as the vice president of global development forced facebook. if you don't like my question, what you think? we have a number of innovative tools that we can use if we don't like the questions we are getting and that's what you should be wary of. >> thank you for your kind. >> we appreciate it. >> be sure to keep it on c-span for lack coverage of the final day of the republican convention with jenna a way at 7:20 eastern, the theme is america on again. list of speakers includes marsha blackburn, oklahoma governor mary fallin, rance primus and jerry falwell junior. donald trump's daughter will introduce her father before he excepts his party's nomination. our preview program by 30 eastern,convention events

begin at 7:20 eastern. what c-span for complete coverage , listen on the c-span radio at and get video on demand at c-span.org. coming up here on c-span2, asked carter and secretary of state john kerry all the joint press rethink following the conclusion of the summit more than 44 and defense ministers representing countries helping in the us led coalition to fight isis. the meeting in washington over the past couple of days, watch that breathing live, it starts at 4:45 eastern here on c-span2. the two secretary spoke to supporters before heading into today's meeting and they talked about progress made in trying to oust isis from its stronghold in iraq and syria and the importance of the coalition's unity in the ongoing efforts.>> ... good

morning everybody. thank you very, very much for joining us at an extremely important meeting and an important moment and we are very grateful toeverybody for being here . your presence in numbers and in the importance of the responsibilities that each of you hold is a very dramatic statement about the determination that we share to prevail in the fight against daesh in defense of justice and peace. now, i want to begin by thanking general clatter for his leadership and for organizing the briefing this morning on the vital topic of information sharing . thanks also to my colleague

defense secretary asked carter who is going to bring us up-to-date in the military situation. foreign minister jabari, welcome. today's meeting is a logical complement to yesterday's pledging conference during which we raised more than $2.1 billion in new money to assist in the stabilization in iraq. and that is as everybody knows an absolutely critical effort because as we take back territory, it is vital that the civilians, the citizens who move back into their homes feel safe, are safe, the services that they need so that we don't have a re-visitation of the very scourge that we had liberated them from. i also want to welcome urban stock, the secretary general of interpol, our coalitions

57 member and a very valuable addition to the team. and finally i want to thank the presidential envoy brett dirt who i think all of you will share with me the belief he is doing us of her job of coordinating the diplomatic side on the coalition activities. so my colleagues, i don't need to tell any of you that this meeting today is obviously timely . we are all aware of the terrible attacks that have taken place in recent weeks perpetrated by daesh directly read others by some people who claim to have been inspired by daesh. these savage assault against the billions, against innocent women, men, children, against evil of different nationalities, different religions, these are exactly why this coalition came together and it is why this coalition is

united in determination in our efforts to defeat daesh and end this upheaval in our lives and in the order and structure that we have all worked so hard to achieve since the end of the world war. so let me be clear right up front. we are engaged in a historic effort, nothing like this coalitionhas never before been assembled . and we're not following the manual on antiterrorist coalition building area we are writing it. we are daily working together, sharing ideas and in fact learning more each day about a very different kind of challenge, the challenge of the last century defined mostly by state on state competition for territory or power. this is nonstate actors who

are challenging the very foundation of that structure. less than two years have passed and president obama first summoned us into this coalition. at the time, i asked you to remember that daesh was on a rampage sweeping across parts of syria and overrunning city after city in iraq. you could see their flags flying as basically drove through villages simply unstoppable. commentators elated about the possibility that the national borders of the region would be permanently erased and that daesh might soon and circle and lay siege to baghdad. the leaders of daesh enriched by their plunder and emboldened by success even claim to have established a caliphate and to be the rulers of all islam. this morning, every single

one of us awoke to a far different picture. our coalition and our partners on the ground have driven daesh out of nearly half the territory it once occupied in iraq and 20 percent in syria. our airstrikes have degraded daesh's leadership, put pressure on its supply lines, disrupted its ability to carry out offensive military operations and security along the syria turkish border has tightened and we have squeezed daesh's revenue streams by hammering its oil facilities, tanker trucks and cash store sites. earlier this month the iraqi army took control of. at airbase 40 miles south of mozilla, by far the largest city remaining under daesh control. in the face of such setbacks,

a number of daesh fighters has gone down by at least a third. recruiting has slowed and effect things have increased. so today, we can look forward without exaggeration to a time when daesh is driven completely out of iraq and syria. we know it is going to be easy. we know we have a lot of work to do. we know we are going to have to prepare carefully and move ahead relentlessly in close coalition with our partners in order to defeat daesh in mosul and raqqa and the points in between but make no mistake, the day that happens will be marked a critical turning point in the fight against daesh. without a territorial base, daesh will no longer be able to boast about a caliphate. its narrative will have to change and our narrative will change.

they will no longer have a base of operations to which it can invite foreign terrorist fighters. the daesh that has existed for the past two years will be no more once we rise at that moment. but everybody here knows that daesh is still going to be dangerous. unlike some violent extremist groups, daesh is resilient and realistic enough to know when it needs to change. so what we are seeing now is a concerted effort by daesh to transform itself into a, from a phony state into some kind of global network whose only real purpose is to kill as many people as it can in as many places as possible. stopping them under those circumstances remains a challenge, we understand that. the terrorists don't need a big budget .

to launch an indiscriminate attack, especially against a group of civilians at a soccer field, nightclub, bakery, beachside resort or on a train. they don't need to do a lot of planning if they have no wish to hide their identities or plot and escape or live to the next day. they don't need a bath organization if their strategy is to use total media to inspire people they don't even know. to then carry out a murderous and suicidal attack. and i want to emphasize that daesh is not pursuing a passive strategy. on the contrary. it is seeking to expand its reach by developing expertise in more languages and by establishing contacts in additional countries and regions. it is looking for areas of vulnerability and it will be

eager to try to exploit them. that is why this will be an ongoing effort and challenge. what does it mean for us? the answer begins with communication. that is why we started today with everything from general clatter. information sharing has always been a big part of what the coalition does and it is played a key role in our efforts to prevent foreign terrorist fighters traveling to syria and iraq. but it is also clear now that we have to do more. the united states already has information sharing agreements with 55 international partners in order to identify and track suspected terrorists. at least the countries now provide profiles on foreign terrorist fighters through interpol. in the recent years, 40 have approved or updated loss in

their own countries to more effectively identify and be able to prosecute such fighters. looking to the future, we have to keep breaking down the structural and the bureaucratic barriers. in order to be able to exchange up-to-date information even more quickly and more widely. though that border guard in southern europe has the same data about a terrorist suspect as an airport security officer in manila or an fbi agent in boston or a domestic law enforcement advisor on the arabian peninsula. our shared purpose has to be to connect the dots as rapidly as possible so that we are able to identify potential terrorists and intervene before they strike. meanwhile, we must do all that we can as a global community to wage a holistic campaign against the root

causes of violent extremism. everybody here understands this challenge. we have country after country , excuse me. in which we have known people in many countries, 60 to 65 percent under the age of 30 or 35, certainly. 50 percent under the age of 21. and if they don't have jobs, if they don't have opportunity, if the political spaces confined then all of those things can feed extremism. we have to do more, all of us to come together on a global basis to help change the future for some of those people and to deprive the violent extremists from the recruiting fields that they infest today. we have to do more to assist

countries that need help in providing opportunities for their citizens and i think everybody here has come to understand we don't do that as a matter of altruism or just goodness, we do it because it is also deeply in our security interests. there is no over there anymore, just over there is somehow separate. we are all connected and therefore we all need to work to protect each other's security by investing in each other's teachers we have to pursue efforts underway across the globe to counter daesh's messaging and to emphasize that daesh's many crimes have absolutely no basis whatsoever, no justification in the religion , logic, history or law. now these initiatives that we have undertaken today are having an impact. they are having an impact grid and a recent study by

the us global engagement center indicates that anti-áuntran2á content on the internet, anti-áuntran2á content now far exceeds pro daesh content. this was not the case even six months ago. we are aware that people can become radicalized or any number of reasons. that is why it is so important that we kill beyond further in the right direction by countering daesh's hate filled narratives with facts and by giving hope to people who are the most vulnerable and the most open to despair. so my friends, we surviving leaders of daesh want their followers to spill blood, to murder the innocent and to inflict suffering. and never before in history as a summons of such comparable viciousness without any identifiable more

recognizable purpose bring been proclaimed on such a global basis so it's only right that the unique coalition has come together to oppose that deadly summons. unlike daesh, our rallying cry is directed not at the worst instance of human beings but rather what abraham lincoln called the better angels of human nature. and there is a reason for that. the countries and people represented in this room do not come here with an interest in hating. our only interest is in justice and law, security, peace and we want our citizen to be safe, our economies grow and our nations from across the globe to collaborate in solving problems that endanger us all. that stark contrast in goals

spells the difference between daesh and this coalition area it marks the dividing line between a modern forum of barbarism and civilization itself. and it gives us all the motivation that we to process until we prevail. so i want to thank each and every one of you for the contributions of your countries and organizations in making to this coalition and i urge you to have no doubt whatsoever that if we stay together, if we stay united we stay committed to this mission, if we continue to be creative, if we continue to develop our initiatives as we have, we will not only if the daesh, we will make our world a safer place.with that, i'm privileged to turn to the secretary of defense. >> good morning everyone and thank you john for that comprehensive and forward-looking and

absolutely on target depiction of the threats we face but also the promise represented in this room and the certainty of victory. it's great to join so many friends and colleagues here . today, allies, partners. i know jim clapper from earlier this morning for a briefing, jim, i want to thank you for your hard work and leadership here. and i particularlywant to thank john kerry . for that introduction, that wonderful speech and hosting this today and for all his work to counter isil to end the civil war in syria. i have asked for no better partner in government, john. and at a critical time in the world, the united states and all of our allies and partners can ask for no finer dedicated or more tireless than you. now, while we held counter

isil meetings before including yesterday's productive meeting at joint base andrews, today's discussion is the first we held together without diplomatic and civilian counterparts. that's important. because we know that defeating isil is more than one country or on military or on ministry job. we all have work to do and we need to work together. and this is a critically important time for our counter isil campaign. thanks to our global coalition, a clear and deliberate military campaign plan, our dedicated local partner forces, the hard work and sacrifices of our country's military personnel, we now have the momentum and clear results on the ground. and this week, we are making the further plans and a further commitment that will help us deliver to isil the lasting defeat that it

deserves. together, we are going to destroy the facts and the idea of an islamic state based on isil's barbaric ideology. this morning i like to review our coalition military campaign in a productive discussion we had yesterday. our coalition's military campaign plan has three objectives, the first is to destroy the parents tumor of isis in iraq and syria. as recently tax remind us, isil's safe havens threaten not only the lives of the iraqi and syrian people but also the security of our citizens around the world and the sooner we defeat isil in iraq and syria, the safer our countries will be. but while it's necessary to defeat isil in iraq and syria, it's not sufficient . since this cancer can and in

some cases in afghanistan and libya, for example, it has metastasized not to mention the intangible geography and surveying of the internet. so our second objective is to combat isil's miss fantasies everywhere they emerge around the world . and the third objective, a very important one is to support which we do as defense ministers are national government efforts, diplomatic, economic , homeland and border security intelligence, law enforcement to protect our homelands and our people. all three of these objectives are necessary. january this year, we updated our comprehensive coalition military campaign plan to meet these three objectives. our campaign critique approach is to identify and enable capable and motivated local forces who can deliver isil a lasting defeat with

our strong, mighty support. only local forces can deliver and sustain such a defeat. us coalition forces can enable them with our vast military power but it's local forces which hold and govern territory after it's been retaken from isis and restore a decent life to the people who live there. now, over the last year we pursued a number of deliberate decisions and actions to accelerate this coalition military campaign and hasten isil's lasting defeat. a year ago we put our campaign in its entirety in iraq and syria under one single command. i charged lieutenant general john mcfarland as the operational commander. then we introduce a series of accelerants to help us gather momentum. and of course we ask all our coalition partners to make

additional contributions to the campaign which they did, what you did.as we did so we also in motion a series of specific and deliberate steps through the winter, spring and now the summer. the first plays of the game that president obama called them. since then, play-by-play, town after town, from every direction and every domain our campaign has accelerated further, squeezing isil and rolling back towards raqqa and mosul. by isolating those two cities we are effectively setting the state to collapse isil's brawl over them. we see that on the ground. in iraq i saw it firsthand during my visit where enabling the dedicated iraqi security forces . and passionate about led by prime minister abadi and regional presidents car sunny.

and after clearing romani and establishing a staging base in mock more, the iraqi security forces moved on to liberate heat, require and fallujah and early last week he sees the strategically important to our west airfield. which is a critical logistical springboard for the effort to collapse isil's control of mosul. in syria we are also seeing results. after seizing body, a critical junction on the road between mosul and raqqa, our partners have surrounded the city and as one of the last junctions connecting raqqa to the outside world and at the transit point for external waters threatening our homeland. we've also been pressuring isil by systematically limiting their key leaders , their financial base.

in addition to taking out the isil ministers and capturing one of the principles of their chemical warfare enterprise we killed over 20 of isil's external operators who are actively plotting to attack our personnel in our homelands. wherever our local partners have moved in and bar, adeline andrews, we've taken out isil's field commanders. meanwhile we are continuing to trend towards infrastructure from oil wells and trucks to cash storage sites. we are taking the fight to isil across all domains including side. thanks to the hard work and sacrifice of our local partners, our servicemembers, and additional contributions from the nations all around this room, meet sees opportunities, reinforce success, taking the fight to the enemy. but we are not going to rest. yesterday we also reviewed and agreed on the next play in our campaign. which of course were not going to discusspublicly yet . but let me be clear, they culminate in the collapse of

isil's control of the cities of mosul and raqqa. we identified capabilities and support required to execute this next play. since articles for defense minister in february, our nations including the united states thanks to president obama have provided even more support to accelerate the campaign as our local partners have made advances here. but we are all going to need to do more. united states, france, united kingdom, australia, sweden, finland and others have recently committed some as recently as yesterday to contribute even more to the military campaign encouraging to see so many countries continue to be willing to do more. and there are others as well who will make their contributions public in due course. of course, even when we win

this fight let there be no doubt that we will, there will still be much more to be done. there will be towns to rebuild, there will be services to reestablish and communities to restore. such progress is critical to ensuring that isil once defeated stays defeated. and so we must ensure that when the time comes that the iraqi and syrian people have what they need to hold, stabilize and govern their own territory. that reason, we cannot, let me repeat that, we cannot allow the coalition equalization and governments efforts to lag behind. our military progress. that was one of the biggest strategic concerns voiced at yesterday's defense ministerial and it will surely be discussed again here today. and that's a good thing because making sure there's no such lack must be a strategic priority. for that reason i commend secretary kerry and his team

and the name of your country's civilian and diplomatic agencies for the work you are doing to enhance stabilization and governments efforts including raising more than $2 billion at yesterday's pledging conference to assist end with humanitarian aid, the mining, media stabilization and longer-term recovery. of course as i said earlier, destroying isis's tumor is necessary but not sufficient area that's why yesterday we also discussed how we can continue to combat isil wherever it might take hold and how our military campaign can best for our national governments efforts with respect to protect our respective homelands and our peoples. let me close by saying thank you to all of you in this room, my partners, friends for your commitment to this fight, for your work in the counter isil campaign,

conferences this week. i look forward to the conversations today and to the commitment our nations will be making to ensure that together we will deliver isil the lasting defeat that it deserves. >> asked, thank you very much and i want to thank you personally for your generous comments . it goes both ways. we can't do this without the teams that are represented around this table and asked is a superb partner in this as are all of the branches of our military and all the branches of your militaries. and if you look around here, every single nameplate, there's a two nameplate predation because the foreign ministers here and defense ministers here and i think although those of us have feel the diplomacy want to express our gratitude to the

sacrifices made by those on the ground, those in the air, special forces and others who are upfront on the lines in this effort so we are deeply, deeply appreciative for the extraordinary commitment that every country around this table and others have made to this initiative. and i just say very quickly the stabilization i addressed earlier , we appreciate the efforts that every country here made yesterday and those efforts are going to be essential to the longer-term victory here. so now let me introduce quickly our special envoy who is known to all of you here if you talk about tireless, this guy is in one country or another on any given day and constantly working to organize and to bring coalitions together effectively so brett mcgurk,

without further ado will now brief us on where he sees things within the operation and then we're going to begin the dialogue with all of us here after we excuse the press the weekend talk as freely as possible, thank you. >> distinguish ministers, a masters in coalition partners i want to welcome you to the state department, i want to thank you secretary carter, secretary kerry, director clapboard, for meeting this really historic joint ministerial. as we noted, the diplomatic aspects of this fight must keep pace with the battlefield progress. if we can't sustain the victories by holding cities after the liberation, our success will not be laughing. so i want to focus my brief comments today on the nonmilitary side of the mosul campaign because the liberation of mosul is in

sight and we must as a coalition get it right in supporting iraqi partners. let's start with good news. since we came together as a coalition less than two years ago, versus we have supported on the ground and back nearly 50 percent of the territory daesh held interact and over 20 percent of the territory daesh held in syria and more importantly today, daesh has not proclaimed any of these territories. they have all held and most areas, civilians are returning to their homes. this is due to a comprehensive humanitarian and stabilization effort that our coalition was nearly 18 months ago i want to commend germany and the uae for leading our stabilization working group and united naming uae to interact and efforts on the ground. i also want to commend and thank italy for its leadership and police training in the earliest stages of this effort to ensure that local forces ready to secure the ground retaking from raqqa. finally the government of

iraq under leadership of prime minister a body for emphasizing the principle of decentralization and empowering local people at the level to secure their areas. care for their citizens and ensure that daesh can never return. the results have been impressive. a few years ago, decreased was controlled by daesh. it was the scene of mass atrocities with thousands of cadets massacredat the hands of the terrorists . >> today, tikrit is controlled by local police and that 95 percent of the population has returned. one year ago, ramani was controlled by daesh. iraqi forces faced an impossible mission to take it back. daesh planted ied's and booby-traps and home through the city. today, ramadi is liberated. 70,000 residents have reserved and banks are coalition efforts and particularly i want to commend norway we have a world-class the mining program underway clearing the streets as we allow life to return and stabilization to begin.

in other areas, the record is not as positive. in singe are for example the situation remains politically divisive, the violation is traumatized and we have yet to begin stabilization projects in that city. in fallujah, we hope to see the population return over the coming weeks, 40,000 over the comingmonths but until that happens the jury is out whether the post liberation phase will be as successful as we have seen in ramadi and tikrit. mosul will be the ultimate test. we must apply every lesson learned and we must ensure recent resources are ready and act with urgency across all our lines of effort and remember , mosul is where apple declared his phony face in june 2014 and if we get this campaign right on the ground in all aspects that's where we can begin to sealhis fate. mosul will be the most complex operation to date

with over 1 million civilians inside the city , the city and its environs before daesh was diverse but sunnis arab living in close proximity to one another. all of these components must now have an appropriate role in liberating their own territory rain organized and well integrated political military plan. planning is now well underway and on thenonmilitary side focused on four key areas . first, we need a political agreement on the disposition of forces that will be used in the liberation. second, a unified plan on humanitarianassistance . third, an agreed program for stabilization and finally an agreed plan for post- daesh governance in mosul. this stabilization and humanitarian governance are how we must organize and plan together over the coming weeks . and i'll highlight briefly where we stand in each area. first, given the rich diversity of mosul comments important to have consensus on the distribution of forces

for the operation. and thanks to meetings that were held last week between representatives from the government of iraq and the kurdistan regional government we are pleased to have representatives from baghdad here today, these agreements are getting place the operation will be led by iraqi security forces when a role for the customer and critically 15,000 local fighters from the local province. the government has allocated these 18,000 positions and pay their salaries and are coalition has agreed to begin training and get them ready for the fight. that process is now getting underway. we commend the governor for emphasizing the need for local horses to have a role in liberating and holding their own territory. this is critical to lasting success. some all that has begun to show results in an barware 20,000 will believe. fighters are serving alongside iraqi security forces in addition to 14,000 local police . we intend to use the same model for mosul.second regarding the humanitarian

plan, the governor other has appointed its minister of migration and displacement to oversee a correlated plan for cooperation with the un. there's work here to do. the un predicted this will be the most complex operation undertaking this year. they require dynamic creation of idp centers as the campaign unfolds, streamlining local processes to ensure rapid delivery of eight, standardized security screens that we can protect against the human rights abuses and close coordination between national, regional and provincial authorities. resources required the capacity of the governments of iraq. there's an immediate appeal from un for $284 million just to reposition supplies and appeals went out yesterday. that is why yesterday's pledging conference where coalition raised over $2 million for the humanitarian and stabilization response in these areas was so important and we are grateful for the extraordinary contributions that have been placed today.

the meeting yesterday was what was needed to build the foundation for successful campaign delivery isis and ensure those who have been living under daesh's terror receive pad from the government and from our coalition when daesh is defeated. third, as the humanitarian response focuses on the immediate care for idp destabilization lineup effort focuses on returning people to their homes and ensuring that daesh's defeat is lasting and permanent. based on lessons learned, we estimate over $50-$100 million will be required for stabilization in mosul. these funds will be allocated on a project by project basis transparently under the innovative and highly successful facility for immediate stabilization. wedges of support for this fund will be put to use now, immediately , repositioning generators and distribution of lifesaving aid and identifying project to be ready as soon as the streets are cleared. safety in the streets of mosul we want to make sure is

provided by local police, people mosul know the neighborhoods and we hope to triple the number of police trainers from our coalition over the coming weeks or it this coalition police training effort led by the elite has announced the support from the public and australia and others that is more important than ever. finally, as in ramani and tikrit, governance will be an indicator of success. responsibility will begin to local officials with the government taking a permanent role. mosul will be more complex due to local political disagreements and challenges to the governor's authority. as a coalition, we must encourage all parties to put aside local disputes and focus on the immediate task at hand, defeating daesh in the heart of his phony caliphate with the entire world watching and the states could not be higher. this requires intense and active diplomacy by our