there were two aggravate her's charged and maybe the jury, we know the trial judge found the 22 aggravate her's were were satisfied. this defendant has been making the ringed argument since before ring was decided. he raised this as an issue at the very first trial. he asks for a bill of particulars for the state to indicate which aggregators it was going to rely on was denied on the grounds that it doesn't apply. even the central ring problem in this case, leaving aside the indeterminacy of 75 is that when a florida sentencing jury finishes its work there is simply no question the defendant is not eligible for the death penalty, only the trial judge can do that. thank you. >> thank you.

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and pulliam therapist. >> aviva kempner, why did you do a document on a man named julius ? i was lucky enough 12 years ago to be at martha's vineyard to attend the lectured for religion at the state department. the title was blacks and jews. i thought i was going to a talk about the civil rights era but i was very surprised to learn about julius and as soon as he talked about him the light bulb went off in my head because i make films about unbeknownst euros and he is the most under known that in some ways he would be the most known. >> who was he? >> it was a combination of factors. he was a midwesterner who had

from the son of an immigrant became a $20 in his pocket and he was born in springfield which i think had a lot to do with what he was going to do later because his family home was right across the street from abraham lincoln. lincoln had of course died before he was born but his uncles had clothed them, the whole legacy of lincoln was prominent in the house. he also grew up in a jewish home where the principles repair the world, we should do something it in the world. he settled in chicago in the clothing business. his brother-in-law brought brought up this proposal and was in some financial trouble and maybe we should invest in sears roebuck. that's what they did. they went on and made the

company the biggest company, it was the amazon before its time. it was the biggest retailer. everyone could order in. he turned out to be a multimillionaire. he wasn't comfortable with that. when he was young, in his marriage he said to his wife we should give one third away, we, we should save one third and we should live on one third. we also had this rabbi hurst who really preached that you should do charity. this is what he preached every weekend. he got involved in chicago and then he read a book. he read the book up from slavery. these were very important to help end slavery and later on show a lot of things in the jim crow south that had to be changed. it totally opened up his head. he also read a book by baldwin

who was in the railroad business and said he had a responsibility so he invited him to chicago and he was quite enamored with him. they are very similar thoughts that we need to do something, very practical men but they want to make a difference in the world. they invited julius rose more to come down and asked him to be on the board. he came down on the train with his family and his rabbi and he was totally enamored with it. they sang to him, there's something very rich in the film about the first time he went down there and he said i need to make a difference. prior to that he had already been asked by the ymca to make money and he gave the clothing grants for clothing grant for african-americans because by

that time in the early part of the 20th century, plax had migrated north, especially african-american men coming to establish themselves and bring the family out. then he supported tuskegee. he decided to give away a lot of money on his birthday. the slogan that hispr man came up with was give while you live. sure enough he said, what do you want. i guess he figured he was going to get another building on the campus. he said to him, you know we have college age kids covered here in alabama but it's really the elementary schools that are suffering. the african-american kids are getting poor education with horrible buildings.

they are separate but not equal. let's go to the schools in alabama he said. so first he says sears puts together these kid houses so why don't we just use those. then he would say no, i want the communities to build it. that okay, a third from the state, a third third from the community and lo and behold, the states pitched in. first the six schools were built and that's really amazing. from then it morphed into 5000 schools. it was all over the south, including maryland. i never realized maryland was a trim state. that's basically where people like our representatives john

lewis went to school, the great broadway director, it made such a difference for these young african-americans because they had these genius teachers and beautiful buildings and it had light coming in and actually the great, great grandfather who is an advisor to president obama, robert taylor designed the school. it was green architecture. there was such pride in the school. so it was just wonderful talking about it. of course it was separate but it made a big difference. the irony in all of this, i forgot to mention in talking is that he quit school to go learn the clothing business in new

york and he wound up being the silent great educator. he also gave a lot to not only tuskegee but historical black colleges. back in chicago, i always tease whenever he went to europe he came back with an idea. he went to munich and his kid love the science museum and he said okay to go back to chicago and build a science museum. today people revere it. then he realized that even in the north when these families were coming up during the great migration, the housing was so crowded for afghan americans and the conditions were awful. had gone to vienna and had seen this apartment complex with commercial buildings along the side and decided to build apartments and of course they call them the roads and falls.

anyone who is who would come and stay there or were stationed in chicago. from housing to education to museums, he was a great philanthropist. >> i want to show what he looks like from your documentary. >> my documentary came out august of this year and it's still going around in different cities, people are booking it every day we have calls and now i'm working on the dvd to come out in the spring. >> let's look at him from your documentary. >> industrial leaders and washington, here's julius. >> most people are of the opinion that because a man has made a fortune that his opinions

on any subject are valuable. don't be fooled by believing that because a man is rich that he is necessarily smart. there is ample proof to the contrary. >> what did you learn about him as a person? >> it's so interesting because the interview was one of the very few we were able to find and it comes in about three forceful through the film. one of the nicest things about him is his modesty. he didn't want his name on things. he really felt that although it had been his cleverness and tenacity that had made the company what it was, he really was a modest man. that expression right there hits it right on the nail. so in contrast to someone running for office today. i think what it really shows is that for him, being the plan

therapist is really the most important. it isn't having your name on things which of course, it's making a difference in helping people. i found that in his life as well as in his giving, the other thing is his son supported african american artists. the great migration theories. [inaudible] the list goes on and on and on. so he says in the film, the who's who of black artists and intellectuals. it resonates today.

the historical preservation realizes. [inaudible] they've gone back and at least 100 schools have been earmarked as landmark, historical landmark and communities were restoring schools and communities and museums. they were made into apartment buildings and be called the rosenwald courts. everything you read in the paper about the great migration series , it'll be at the phillips museum, they talked about all these artists now being collected, half of of who they listed are people in the film. they also funded, i think the

last thing to support education is culture is really his legacy. he also did something else that is called stepping down in philanthropy where you stop, he wanted only to give money away in his lifetime and give it all away. you just read about some and it's wonderful what he and his wife wanted to do in terms of education. this is an example of what you can do. again, there's a story in chicago where these parents want to close the school but if someone would step in and give those school money the parents would get involved to keep it open. we always say have to learn from the past to see what you can do

in the future. that's what i try to do with my film. >> in your film you have some video of the students helping to build and this is about 45 seconds and i want want you to comment on the. >> you insisted that the students do the building because it would instill a sense of pride. >> the students and faculty worked to get this place established within a city that was very much segregated. >> he became the architect and the first teacher. >> when you think about one architect, you take a group of untrained craftsmen and rally them together and have a campus

of over a thousand acres. >> go back to the fact that they made their own bricks. >> that's exactly why i say it was so important that they said no, no, no. no kid houses. were. were going to bid build it. they bill everything from scratch. if you go to the historical building, the president's building, the most beautiful, everything. if you go into detroit and talk about all these abandoned houses , they give money to rebuild the houses and give jobs , then you will get immigrants who are working, let

them go to detroit and help and give them papers. >> washington carver actually had the formula of how to do the bricks, if if i remember correctly from my research. >> what were the years that julius rosenthal lived and when did he run sears roebuck question it was at the turn-of-the-century that he bought into sears. he continued on those years. [inaudible] you talk about the to. [inaudible] you talk about the holocaust, they would talk about relatives and i thought this film ends too early. there's no way i'm going to get

world war ii and fighting hitler in it. sure enough the way the tuskegee airmen were able to get the aircraft built and then they promoted african-american pilots and that it was something that we had to establish. >> let's talk about you for a minute. you live in washington d.c. how long have you lived there? spent. >> and 73. >> i have in my hand something that shows four different documentaries that you've done. [inaudible] people my age remember the goldbergs. >> it was in the 30s and it morphed into, he went to write a commercial and was offered a show and it was something that

was so much about family and they all had accents and i remember let's think about it back in the 30s and 40s, everyone had accents. >> we have some video from mrs. goldberg. let's watch it. >> i want to say to hell low to you with all the letters in the alphabet. >> no more oprah. there was virtue gertrude. [inaudible] she was the most famous woman in america you never heard of. >> the press dubbed her the first lady of radio. >> you are one of the first person i've ever known.

how do you get justice ginsburg to talk about the. >> i was at the residence and i went up to her and i said justice ginsburg another heroine of mine, she said i love the film and then they said now i'm doing a film on gertrude byrd and she said all next to. [inaudible] that was my hero. i interviewed her and have a little clip from her. the funny thing is i came here to go to law school but thanks for the washington bar. [inaudible] now the world has these four films. the day i interviewed her, i

emailed everyone i knew in a said aviva finally made it to the supreme court. >> you are the daughter of a holocaust survivor. >> okay, you see my 5o1c3 is my mother's maiden maiden name. she was from poland. luckily she had blonde hair and green eyes and the reason i say luckily is she looked very much like a non-jew. my grandfather was able to get her and two of the young girls papers, false papers, and they made their way to germany and worked in the polish work camp pretending they were not jewish. my mother would say prayers and unfortunately my grandparents and my aunt did not survive our sweats. he was a very super successful businessman and he's the one

that actually gave me my first grant. when i didn't pass the bar i was going through a reckoning of what i needed to do we didn't talk much about it but we knew the losses. i decided i had to go make a film about the nazis. my father had come from lithuania in the 30s and then had gone to fight the nazis in the pacific because he knew german, russian, hebrew, english and he went to write a story about a brother and sister being reunited, my mother and my uncle they met and my mother wore a parachute made into a wedding dress. i was born nine months later. technically the first american war baby in germany.

other were born earlier than me but my dad was in the u.s. army. >> i think it was always growing up being obsessed about reading, always obsessed with the principle of what can i do to show what can happen. what's interesting, i had just wrote my, we have to do a big splash. [inaudible] i was just in berlin, i think what it did was not so much talk about where but the moral dilemmas of fighting. when carson was so incorrect saying that if. [inaudible] we were not a nation. we had no access. there was a lot of youth that wanted to do something.

like they say in the film. [inaudible] i think hopefully it's a film i know this is very important to other children of survivors but i think it was documented when these people were still alive in the 80s and it was our u.s. dollars that paid for it. it was funded principally by a national endowment. >> you have brothers and sisters? >> i have one brother and three nieces. >> here is a clip from the hank greenberg documentary. what year was the. >> i did hank the day i heard he died in 1986. the next day day i decided to do the film. i was going to go meet his daughter for lunch after this. let's watch. >> i can recall people in the stands yelling at you guys, you're not supposed to be able

to play ball. hank stood proud and tall. >> it was a constant thing. they were get in on me and yelling at me. i found it was the sport that could make me do better i can never fall asleep on the ball field. as soon as you struck out you are not only a bomb but a jewish bomb. >> what was your reaction to that question. >> it was my most successful financially because i think a lot of people like myself, my my dad always talked about hank greenberg. especially on our holiest day in detroit, i grew grew up with a baseball family and the love of, are most religious holiday my dad would talk about hank.

the day i heard he died i thought i have to do this for my dad. ironically enough my dad died when i was 30 and never saw any of these movies. i realized i need to put on my grave, she made men cry. so many, many people came up to me and told me that. people say this was the wonderful golden age of baseball a lot of people have said listen , this is where i grew up in the apartment buildings in chicago where this is where your grandfather went to school. i'm very proud of that. there are always surprises. i did hank because of what he had done with baseball but i didn't realize he had greeted

jackie robinson. it is the one opposing player that he had unfairly traded. i didn't know her stage husband was an organizer that had been blacklisted. not only unfairly taken off the shelves but she thought committed suicide. the tv blacklist that you don't know, i knew about the school but i didn't know about the fun. i go into it thinking it's one story and then it morphs into an even greater story. i think these are the kind of role models we need today. i guess part of my instincts are that my family was so devastated by fascism that we need to establish role models. i think it's important to have

positive stories. i was writing an essay about how the blockbusters perpetuate too much horrifying violence and i think we need the simpler, wonderful stories that really celebrate the human experience and more positive role models for kids. i really worry, especially with the video games and people only looking at their iphones and smart phones, are we still talking to each other? are we generating something positive that we can all follow and it concerns me about today. >> can people buy those first three documentaries? >> yes. you can go to molly goldberg film.org, you can find out how to preorder, but we also have baseball hats and posters for

all three films. we have aprons for molly goldberg and we just now started making t-shirts. one thing people have come up to me time and time again, i've had an older white woman come up and say i learned more about african-american history watching this film than i ever learned in school. i have an african-american professor come to me and say you know this film about the civil rights, this film about slavery but there's no films that span between it. then a jewish man came up to me and said i know what i'm going to do with my life now. i've been inspired. you can't cam that. you can even make that up.

it's so wonderful to hear those responses. >> he didn't put his name on the schools. >> let me say this, they started to call them the schools with his name on it but he didn't ask for it. this is when history goes in circles, not only in schools where they have pictures of washington and abraham lincoln and julius rosenthal. i have one with my interviewees that grew up in a school that have been burned down and one day he said to his teacher, who's that white man on the wall and then they talked about it. :

>> let's watch this. >> when julius and booker t washington combined the plan for building flex schools, they are engaging and a radical experiment. it is a wonder they were able to achieve it. but achieve it they did. in the end, 5000 plus schools are built all over the south and thousands of children get an education who otherwise would've had none at all. >> the schools lasted up into the civil rights era. there were entire generations of black children who got their first chance at an education in these rosenwald school. >> who qualified for school? >> it was southern, including maryland and texas and oklahoma. it was almost always rule.

it wasn't inner cities, there is a few exceptions. it turns out it turns out north carolina had the most. so it just sort of more when people would hear about it and they would ask about it. >> c-span: was the total amount of money he gave for the schools. >> guest: i don't know. i can tell you much a given his given his lifetime. to giveaway 62 million, which is in today's world $1 billion. i'm not sure, it's funny you asked out because i decided i needed to have that on the dvd. so i can let you know this spring, we'll have research by them. but i don't have that by now, i'm not great numbers person's before you said he paid for a third of the school. >> first it was the tuskegee and then nashville, and it had to go through the rosen walk fun. and then they would incorporate the help of the local school

boards. not school boards but the educational boards or superintendents, speemac, to the school's cost and how big are they? spee2 and oftentimes there one are one more room or two rooms. but they had like a model, literally an architectural model. in today's world it's not that much but what is important as the land itself. often times the local trip back to the cert churches would donate the land. >> c-span: on wikipedia there some still pictures, i just want to show so folks can see, this is one that is being used today, but all different kinds. >> guest: not sure that's a rosenwald, that must've been one that was established. the national trust is wonderful. i will have something on the

dvd. as i was saying that everything in the film is what i filmed. on the dvd we are going through more stories of people who went to school and what it means to restore the schools. >> c-span: how much of it is being restored? >> guest: a hundred. but what i'm hoping is both from seeing the movie and people being more willing to give, i was very lucky because steven spielberg foundation and the richest purchase persons foundation gave me money for the films. they gave me so excited about the schools they gave me more money to restore the school. home depot is another supported of the school. >> c-span: does anybody use the schools anymore? >> guest: they are senior centers or community centers before when do they stop funding them?

>> guest: when desegregation came. >> c-span: 1954. >> guest: yes. that's the next film. so it's really an incredible story not only for philanthropy, but really the african-american who were the parents in the community members who were raising the money, building the schools to maintain it. and now restoring it. it's a wonderful story of building. >> guest: 's before you when you started talking about rosenwald, a man named hirsch, rabbi in chicago sinai congregation, here's rabbi hirsch in your documentary. >> e-mail hirsch, the extraordinary scholar, rabbi who attracts hundreds of thousands of social justice. julius rosenwald found it stimulated and he often said

that hirsch was one of his mentors. in monday's papers you could read doctor hirsch's views on every major issue of the time. >> he was on the board of every progressive organization in chicago. as was julius rosenwald. hirsch pointed out to rosenwald the importance of the kind of giving which truly made the lives of people who had so little, better. spee4 what's the background? spee2 what's fascinating is he was born in luxembourg, europe. he went to the university of pennsylvania and what i just found out he played football. so it's not your usual football story and he went into becoming a rabbi. i think is one of the great unknown rabbis because first of all you can see how he

was the best game in town. you can see that they had services on sundays because a lot of jewish owners had their stores open on saturday. and there is one great story of his that i'm going to have in the dvd where he called out one of his congregants who is doing bad things to the workers in the congregant got up and walked out of his way. you don't see that kind of leadership coming from religious leaders except for maybe like when the pope is going out on global warming and what we have to do. so i'm glad to be able to talk about him and i think there is a great role, ultimately he was one of with the naacp. >> c-span: on december 16, 1939, after julius rosenwald had been dead since 1932. this is from the african

american newspaper and they're talking about him. they talk about him and say in a new we cannot understand why the sears roebuck stores out of which he made his money were intentionally discourteous to color customers. why his enterprises applying 55000 persons only a few of them were colored. did you run into that? spee2 there. >> guest: there are several things on that. it might be since he died because people have come up to me certain people and said that the only job they could get in the summer in chicago was working at sears. so i can't speak to all of these labor practices but i know and everything else he did i know he also played women on an equal basis and one thing he said was people who work for me, they work with me.

but i would have to look more into that. >> c-span: one reason i brought it up as the article goes on to talk about the fact that his coworkers emmy people who were formedid not want colored that was the word they used back then working there so one of the things he did was just go along then he took his money and funded the schools. >> guest: i don't think that the correlation at all. again, there's a few things that happen, one is the catalog only showed whites in the catalog but everyone could buy in that was important. people talking about buying and others. second of all, i know about his practices sears practices later that there is known to be very open to employing african-americans. >> c-span: this article goes on they talk about the fact that richard sears, they had a reputation that he was black. >> guest: it's not sears, is roebuck.

>> c-span: will this article said sears. >> guest: well it's roebuck. then of fact i've asked about that is was to be an urban legend. >> c-span: they said photographs of sears were sent out in the store catalogs to disprove the rumor and again this article. this may sound odd but what did you learn about jews in all of these for documentaries you have done? >> guest: well i consider three films hank, marley and rosen wald to be my american truth chill trilogy. that we are involved in pop cult culture from baseball to television to business and i think we brought the kind of principles the positive principles in judaism.

i think all characters i totally admire. can you you imagine going to work everyday and being dell because you're a jew and he set stood up to that and even did better in welcome jackie was a role model. later on and that's where the dvd he could be very tough. with gertrude, a woman breaking and entering the first account totally forgotten standing up to the list be in a positive jewish member contradicting, i would say that it was -- i grew up with a tall strap in man is a role model, not as brilliant as another jewish male. for rosenwald, very sensitive to

the fact that when they would talk that jews can be really stingy businessmen and this man was so generous, and involved in what is happening. back i learned that in fact what we did was almost impossible. so i guess all of my films i'm trying to accomplish the stereotype to the images, the negativity. negativity. but also role models for everyone. >> c-span: how would you find the funds for all of this? >> guest: there's a line in the end of a streetcar named desire when she says i depend on the kindness of strangers. well it's a basically at from any age but since then is a 5o1c3 foundation. for some of the films family members were very generous and for some it was just different philanthropist in their own right and even small

contributions made a difference for the film. i have have to say 37 years i've been working i think at least one third if not a half i did not pay myself. i just always said okay gotta put it in the film, but you know i can now say that this legacy that i was able to show, i would've loved to have been a good immigration lawyers like i was in law school. but i can say say that i'm showing the example of what for american jews history and for broader history that people should rise to the occasion. >> c-span: wasn't too long ago that there is an article about you and the london post about your house. and that you inherited some money from your uncle and so tell us about the house. >> guest: to things that happen. first my dad died when i was 30 and i inherited some money and we always besides his liberal

belief so my brother and i had small inheritance from my father's untimely death. i got 11 house and that i moved in another april to may money on that house. and i always house my 5o1c3 in it so nobody could kick me out. and then after my mother passed away, my, my uncle had bought them a big house and i combined to the old house and the inheritance with this new house. i said last night, that instead of living three box nor the politics of prose, i live three blocks east of politics and prose in very close to the theater where i've been plain the last two movies. i have an open planning and so i loved antonio gaudi. i do not not think i'll be able to still have time to make a film on him but i decided in my backyard

with a lot of broken tile put together by these wonderful guatemalan craftsmen. also like the color and there's moved here with my parents a talented designer, landscaper who help me do that in my house and real bright colors inside. so my mother through all of this what she really found was that she could paint. she's a wonderful expressionist painter and on one hand she said one stroke was for one of the 6 million. so a lot of the painting in the house goes with that in my collection. i also often host book parties or film parties not only during the day i have my 5o1c3 team in my house, but i also host a lot of gatherings. something i learned from my parents but also i think you

know how from helping my mother either heard from my dad about politics or about arts and culture and i'm just trying to continue the discussion. and some folks around it. >> c-span: i saw another article about you and the copyright office come and the fact that while you can describe what happens when you need to go there and you wanted a song or something? >> guest: yes. well the thing is i have this great old copyright lawyer who is also an expert on copyright and the whole thing is to be able to find the listings that they need to organize better copy rate. that was an article but there's one more thing you haven't brought up that all three but one thing that i

always like to say wherever i speak and i consider this speaking, at the end of the last three films they're all dedicated to several things, most important for me i've lived in the districts districts and 73, we don't have lights in congress, were being filmed right now by congress, our representative eleanor thorton has no vote. you should have's two senators to have the greatest democracy in the world and not have voting rights. the last two films have been dedicated to the viability of newspapers. i have i have a big pile at home, i've been traveling. let me tell you, those newspapers newspapers and i say if you read online you missed something. i don't how you do it brian. >> guest: i read newspapers. >> c-span: will with making the documentary can you give us does not be precise but a figure what it cost to put a documentary together? >> guest: because i take so long hank took 13, seven for molly, a

lot of it is spinning my wheels and raising money so about 1 million per documentary. because since my editors and i spend a lot of time weaving and i use a lot of featured footage, it's a surprise there several surprises to illustrate a peddler years ago, i've seen from doctor quinn medicine women of your scope kid and hank greenberg their scenes from gentlemen's agreement, mike goldberg does her own shows. i feel that oftentimes hollywood really gets it right in you i worry about that. i worry about music but it's also i never have deadlines, well maybe to get into the festival but it's all about when the film is ready.

oftentimes it's trying to find it for the back you go the harder it is to find it people have told me two things, one thing i believe, documentaries can be as entertaining as feature films. i hope that's true for my films. second of all if you make people laugh and cry they will will remember your movie. >> c-span: i know you are one of the 125 documentaries that were submitted for the oscars. >> guest: 141. spee4 but i also but i also know the 15 chosen did not include rosenwald. what are the politics of the documentary business. >> c-span: in order to be considered you have to be reviewed by the new york times or l.a. times. >> guest: i made sure i raise the money to take the money and i hired a broker. i hired bookers to take the movie as broadly as i could.

partly some of these docs had hollywood studios behind them and they would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars with television ads or ads to come see the movie. i just cannot afford that. >> c-span: my question to you is why did the oscar group put all of the focus on the l.a. times the new york times to decide what documentaries want to be considered. >> guest: i don't know, that's rules they came up with. you know, those are the two cities where most of the filmmakers live, a lot of us do not live there. but it's also the producing entities are there. it's a whole story. i did send out another press to people and said okay, the film did not get shortlisted. i can't help but be disappointed. but to me the thing i listed when people came out said this is what the film meant for me

and them saying i never knew about it, so inspiring, that to me is an oscar. >> c-span: what are the chances you get your moneyback from the theaters and dvd sales on this kind of business? >> guest: i can speak in terms of theaters, in each city my 5o1c3 had to pay for a publicist, we had to pay for ads, instead of showing it on reels, i don't even know what it's called's digital something. it's much smaller to ship hank was shot on four wheels of film. so as well as the staff to get the word out, everything in to try to do a lot of outreach so to show their jewish and religious communities, the schools, so we lost money taken it around, but to to me it got

reviewed and now all over the country. the second thing i can't speak for the dvd, and a lot universities wanted, schools, will make one that will have all of these extras. there are certain things that i did not put in the film like the mayor of chicago prevented the racist movie from being shown in chicago and they're talking about wall committed at the white house. as with the crime commission. leo frank, the jewish owner who ran the pencil factory had been accused and then lynched over one of the women who worked in his factory. so they go on and on. the rosenwald family rescued 300 rescue 300 members of the family. so i'll have more on that. more fun stories about the film.

>> let's look a little bit of your film and this is a clip on his family. >> great. >> gussie had essentially two sets of children, the first set were born when the family was still living in a nice comfortable middle-class existence and in seven years later marianne and william were born and by that time the family had acquired enormous wealth and william and mary and were essentially brought up by governess is whom they almost universally detested. >> she had a very big heart it's wasn't she wasn't warm, it's that she wasn't there. she is very swept up the social and philanthropic responsibilities that she had. >> what's your take on the family? >> we tried to be honest and say that oftentimes people become

very successful, sometimes they're not a round and have time for their children, so there was that. and by the way gussie was also involved with the suffrage movement and on the dvd and the grandchildren were speaking from what they heard their parents say. and that's probably what happened. but i will say that the same children that felt their parents were not around, one became what we talked about in the film, cookie robert robert talks about her we welcome marian anderson she followed in her father's footsteps. really am am rosenwald up in new york followed in his father's footsteps been involved in jewish concert. another another daughter was the one who

purchased half of the jacob lawrence collection, another daughter was very involved with schools in chicago. so if you go to the library of congress today you'll see either the great amount of books he donated or the national gallery some of the greatest prints ever. >> guest: will he didn't run it. he ran it out of philadelphia but then someone else was selected over him. >> general something that i cannot remember which he had his own issues which he did not unveil. so i'm responsible for my subject up until he dies. i'm not responsible afterwards. >> guest: if you. >> c-span: if are able to know rosenwald, have dinner with him, what what kind of things would you ask him? >> guest: it's funny you say that because i asked everyone after i filmed them, if you are

in the room with julius rosenwald what would you say? i hope you can put up the main curator at the african-american museum and she says, why did you do it, why were you interested? and thanks for doing it. and i think i would say what kept you going? what inspired going? what inspired you and kept you going. >> i think the film answers it but i learned so much when we're showing the film at the theater in washington i had read that some schools do not have enough storybooks. and i put a big box and we collected them. i always write my checks and give at the end of the year, but i think i'm giving an inspired just because of doing the film. i think that as happened with a lot of people going in the movie are going out of the movie. >> c-span: what's next? >> guest: that's interesting you

should ask that. again in the theme of jewish heroes, there is us by who has a said i think the seven languages but could not have many of them and they had spied for in the japanese and the germans and had gone to yugoslavia. there's also another activists i knew doing my two years in mexico and i had cowritten the script with ben west whose father actually studied the museum of american indian. there's another one i don't want to talk about and it's the cover of a script idea, book ideas and it basically boils down to where i can get the money up front. i don't have another 12 or 13 years to keep on struggling for money. i'm hoping it will get supported and i'm already working on my book ideas.

>> c-span: the rosenwald documentary will be available on dvd when? >> guest: it depends on my fundraising goes for you can go to rosenwald.org or you can book it and that your community where you can still order a poster in t-shirts within mid to mid december we hope. >> c-span: and you also have the foundation that you can go on to. >> c-span: and it also means roof carpenter and polish. so i guess building in inventory of film. >> the correct way to pronounce your first way? >> guest: it means spring in hebrew and when i was born in berlin my father said he wanted -- but honestly he had a group

girl but he wanted to put a hebrew name on a per certificate in germany any my mother said that my grandmother had hebrew. >> c-span: viva, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me, i'm a i'm a big fan of c-span and even more so now. [inaudible] >> for free transcripts or to give us your comments about this program, visit us at q&a.org. q&a programs are also available at c-span podcast.

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