pre-k, african-american students are more than three times as likely to be suspended as white students. four years old. in k-12 it's nearly 4 times as likelyto be suspended . part of it i do think is around training and professional development. teachers havingalternatives to inclusionary discipline principles, having alternatives . part of it is about bias and when you look at those pre-k numbers, i don't think you can take it any other way than to say folks are treating the same behavior from white students differently from an african-american student and that's a problem both for african-american boys and girls as well . >> latino students as well. >> but we also have a resource problem. one of the things we revealed in our data collection was that we have 1.6 million kids who go to a school that has a law enforcement officer and no school counselor. so what are we setting up when we have that dynamic that there's no one in the school that as their focus

has their emotional development there is someone in the school who can arrest them? we've got to thinkabout issues of resource equity . to me, if i could just ask something of the room, i think these are the kinds of issues, these equity issues that many of you have written about four focused on and i just ask you to do more of that . i don't think the general public understands well enough the degree to which there is this school to prison pipeline. i don't think the general public understands the obstacles to education for our high-speed students or homeless students or foster youth. i don't think the general public understands well enough the challenges when kids have made a mistake and got involved in the juvenile justice system or the adult prison the obstacles to ever getting a fair shot at education so telling those stories about inequities but

also telling the stories about the places that are doing it right and making positive changes,we just desperately need more of that. i appreciate that you all see that and i ask you to keep it . do your job. >> i want to say thank you to the secretary for speaking with us. we could have gone on a lot longer but we got about five more panels to go. secretary, thank you so much, such a pleasure. [applause] >> you saw jesse williams winning the bet award withhis impassioned speech on civil rights. >> if you have no interest in equal rights for black people do not make suggestions for those who do . >> and i to celebrate athletes started instead with lebron james issuing a direct challenge to them. >> it's time to look in the mirror and ask ourselves what are we doing to create change? the endless violence in

places like chicago, dallas, not to mention orlando. ithas to stop. enough. let's use this moment as a call to action for all professional athletes . >> we are free it out, we were backstage but it's in front of the state area we are dancing. their life, no. you guys, you with me? joanne and i are like, trying to play musical chairs. we're going to stand. i think you want to stand over there and we're going to stand over here. i just won't fall. don't fall, no falling. hey roland, how are you doing. in recent weeks, you just saw the celebrity ... he can sit

where she wants to. >> okay. we're going to get started. >> you can sit. >> i willsit. this is called stage management on the fly. roland always starts taking control, look at roland . thank you very much. we are joined now, we have to get started quickly because the array actually have to be out of here quickly so deray mckesson of black lives matter, we don't have marcus but baton rouge access martha reed is on the end and we have temple university assistant professor nicole and we are going to talk about the social justice aspect of all of these successes we're having. we are also talking about policing. start with you nicole because you in many ways did break the what juan mcdonald story and it was one of those stories that was more than a year in the making, 14 months

between the video video coming into the knowledge of the police department and it actually resulting in some sort of action or prosecution. why do you suppose that the arc seems to been so slowly toward justice in these cases? >> to all young folks out here, i actually started investigating the criminal justice system and the criminal courts physically when i was 21 years old and i went undercover as both an academic but also as a person that was just amazed at the level of racism, blatant racism in the system and i passed as white because in those environments i was a white chicana and as long as i can walk the walk and talk the talk they assumed me to be white and disclosing abusive racist culture where defendants were knows best mode which is basically the n-word recoded.they talk in e bonnets to mock the senate and inhis people lose rights and dignity so when police

officers violated people's rights, planted drugs on them, it was an overt practice that was happening in one of the issues that i tried to speak on is to stop seeing police abuse of power as assistant in isolation. these are systems that are interdependent and need each other to function and certainly the prosecutors and judges who are mostly white professionals are complicit in that and it's therefore emboldens what we see in the streets, it's only one part so as journalists, i urge everybody to continue bearing witness and not just in this one place, to step back and get that 30,000 foot view of the system to see complicit in abuse of power and racism. >> you are coming out of baton rouge where we see me alton sterling case and on the other side, the police officers seeing the two-sided coin of the social justice movement where in the

sterling case there seems to be clear abuse of power at least from what we were able to see and what was captured on that video. but there's also a sense of futility that goes with that, seeing it doesn't necessarily mean anything will come of it and that's where the frustration is coming from, talk about that. >> when we look at the areas on the tape, we look at the walter scott tape and look at the alton sterling case, basically what you have to admit in most of these cases and we can't get those individuals to be held for accountability and you look at the criminal justice system, that's exactly what it started out to be now. a justice system being run by a bunch of criminals so when we look at that, we have to keep pushing those issues and you know, because they say that justice is blind, sometimes blind people have to be led so we are trying to lead them toward what they need to do and make sure that all these individuals are accountable when they break the law because officers can break the law. oliver they are not being

held accountable for what they are doing the array, we are now two years into what they are calling these affect movements. black lives matter is a concrete thing but it's also a hashtag that anyone can get involved in so it is a concrete movement but also a loser, ephemeral sort of feeling that a lot of people decry and has an outcry from a lot of people. has actually changed anything over the course of the last two years? >> i think it definitely has and i will saythat. last time i saw him we were in jail together in baton rouge . i said i know you. >> so we can just meet. >> i said i haven't seen you in a while when i think about last year, and while we're coming up on two years since mike waskilled in st. louis . think about protests as this idea of telling the truth in public and that's what we did, use our bodies to tell the truth that mike should be alive and fill an and when i think about the hashtag, the hashtags are another way that

people tell the truth and i'm also mindful that we fess up and i'll never criticize people for telling the truth. what we've seen with the media, is two years ago people were questioning the police. people were like if the police said it, it is true and now people are applying the media label to what the police say and these things were not happened two years ago and that makes me hopeful. in the activist space it is important we continue to focus on solutions. that people talk about the problem over and over, i think it's harder to talk about solutions in public and i think we have to start doing that more than wedo . >> nicole, can you talk about your experiences in chicago? these are not just what you are seeing in certain communities but how the police managed a very diverse and very segregated city. i live part-time in chicago, i'm a chicago girl myself, south side . wow, that was ... >> could have been more

robust. >> but when you think about what's happening in terms of police community relations and add to that the latino element of the conversation, what do we need to be talking about there? >> i think one of the interesting thing that happens, i was speaking out about the laquan mcdonald case and there was a terrible shooting shortly after new year's where it was a domestic violence call and the cops the people that were requesting help so in some ways communities are getting it on both ends. they are absolutely terrorized. by certain beat officers in certain communities and it's pretty much out of sight and out of mind of the rest of the city of chicago and then when they need help, responsiveness is not there so i think we need to, i

title my book crook county because the people name the system crook county because they can't distinguish between the real gang members are and who the prosecutors, judges and police officers are. they don't know who is the criminal and when we lose legitimacy i think we had issues of violence, we have these issues that iraq in addition to all the social neglect that communities are facing due to desegregation but it's going to take a disruption of that police culture. moving officers around, holding them accountable. the public will do them accountable. the changes are starting but certainly we are not there yet . >> and deray, i feel like this movement, this black lives matter movement has had a similar trajectory to the trade on morgan story where almost everyone agreed in the early days that that story became a national story that thisyoung man was the victim. that the boy was the victim and the person who followed him was the bill and . over time, it became polarized along political lines, along racial lines where there was now a disagreement as to who was a victim and who was the villain and the boy became interrogated and i think we've seen that pattern repeated over and over with michael brown.

we've seen it with most recently in baltimore with freddie gray where everyone initially agreed on one side of it then we saw at the republican national convention cheered when the officers were acquitted so this polarization of black lives matter, as it hampered the ability of activists like yourself to get your message through because a certain percentage of the company is certainly no longerlistening? >> i mindful the movement is young and i'd say there's a broad consensus about the problem that people have seen the videos . those videos are indefensible, right? people understand that, there is potentially a disagreement about what solutions look like and that's what we could need to continue to talk about and think about, some people think body cameras are another form of surveillance. some people think they could be a form of change. the white house is working with partners to look at the audio from body cameras so we might be able to detect aggression in officers and not just look at the video post trauma.

that's an interesting way to look at solutions but i think there actually is a broad consensus. people who are the detractors of the movement are people who are afraid of the traction the movement is having which is why they are trying so hardto defend the status quo . >> arthur, along those same lines how much of this has to also be a conversation on all about quite frankly the unions, the labor unions are the first to defend these officers in these cases. they came out quickly with alton stirling, the representative of the police unions. we don't talk about their role in this but as an activist do you confront and deal with those unions and their pushback against these calls for change? >> what's happening when you see the unions is like if you can use an analogy of my bigger brother overseeing what i've done and he has the same mindset that i have so you tell him, did you see anything wrong with what your brother did mark he says no we have to start looking at

putting the proper people in place and making sure we keep that straight. just to close on that i wanted the people to know because he traveled a long way, the mother of alton stirling is here today and she's going through a lot because ... [applause] >> g here? >> she's going through a lot because tomorrow will make one month and we have to keep fighting these things. we do, we have to keep fighting.>> absolutely. and with that we are going to end the panel. deray, take care. we are going to end this panel now, give them another round of applause and to alton stirling's mom but think this panel, deray mckesson, we really appreciate you as well as professor nicole gonzales and i am going to move and you may have this seat. for your panel. the seat is yours. >> by deray, nice to see you.

i meet up with deray in the strangest places, last time was colorado. the national headlines and up, we all end up consuming them but they start with obviously our local newsrooms so we are going to move now to have a conversation with our local newsroomjournalists . we are joined by teri arvesu, the director for univision in chicago. art holiday who is the ksc k tv anchor in st. louis and andre brooks who wasexecutive producer at kg tv in dallas . we will start with you jerry, we've been speaking about chicago. kind of, how long have you been in the news director? >> i've been news director for three years now. >> and they have been a pretty intense three years area so let's just take the

situation with the laquan video, for example. what was your policy? what did you decide to do knowing what you are going to have in your hands, what you are going to put on the news and understanding the role you play in a city like chicago. what kind of decisions were going through your head? >> leading up to the point of the video, we had no idea what was on the tape so we as a newsroom came together and kind of imagine what would be there and of course, as soon as the video came out, we made a decision not to show the last point of impact when he fell, just to respect that moment of death. but we also understood that you needed to see that there were 17 shots of a person who was walking away so those were some intense moments and i think every newsroom has that area and whether it was the spanish language or english-language, for us in spanish language what we

needed to do was, they say a picture tells 1000 stories, right? so it's worth 1000 words, you see an african-american on camera but the story wasn't about an african-american, it's about what you were talking about, that it was a systematic culture of violence withinthe police department , abuse against hispanics as well and again, i don't want to number every single police officer as a person but there was a culture and there is a culture within chicago in general where transparency doesn't exist, having come from florida thiswas shocking to me how difficult it is to get any type of public record . so i think as a newsroom what we did was say, we need to our audience, our audience was a spanish-speaking audience and we need to make these stories about the police officers that control our neighborhood. let's go get some cases where there have been a abuse

against hispanics so that i was afraid that the audience would feel so, that's their story and it was not ours. we covered that and as well, i think it's interesting to see what's happening in terms of political fallout. we've seen anita alvarezwas voted out . so i really, after having been here for three years have seen how really nothing was getting done and feeling extremely frustrated. the fact that we've seen also run and then ul has gotten heat because of that, we've seen change, a new police chief who is african-american . it's been very interesting in that sense and why we do what we do, right, is to create change. be the catalyst of change. see that something is being done gives me hope. >> andre, you obviously had

to make some intense choices just recently. what has the conversation been like for you? suddenly dallas is part of the national dynamic. dallas is front and center and i think a lot of people even in my youth newsroom, somebody said something like you know, it's just dallas area i was like , do you remember that half 1 million immigrants came out to protest 10 years ago in dallas? it's a different dallas so take us throughyour newsroom in the last couple of weeks . >> for my newsroom i think the most important thing we've learned is looking at transparency and looking at accountability and having a relationship with our local police department so we can allow them to be transparent with us so that we can particularly be transparent in how we deliver our content. i think the biggest challenge for us over the past few weeks is you know, not just horrific it is but telling the stories of the people

that this happened to. obviously you have the stories of the officers that were impacted but the first conversation we had in our newsroom was how do, why did this happen? what's the tone of our communities? are police chief is also african-american so why particularly did this happen here, what is the relationship we have with our local police department where we can see how to figure out a solution, how do we help the police department build stronger relationships so that we can be transparent for them? and hold them accountable for when things do go wrong. i think that's the most important thing. when we talk about accountability if not just releasing the press release and say okay, this happened but it's getting up in front of whoever it is, whether it's a police chief or the mayor, whether it's your attorney general and saying why did this happen? how did this happen? what do you have to say to this family about how you are going to ensure this doesn't

happen again? >> arts, to that point st. louis after ferguson, there was a time period in which both the ferguson police department and st. louis police department were being proactive in getting out whenever there was a shooting incident and holding a press conference and try to at least make a show of being more transparent. i'm wondering over time how that relationship as the ball , whether or not the police department has become more reticent, has become more paranoid in the way it deals with the press or that openness is continued and i've asked that question i will make a note that a friend of mine who used to be the pio that you probably know well in miami and is a fantastic communicator is now the police chief in ferguson so i think he's good at it but in general do you find the police department is more reticent to deal with the media post ferguson? >> i think it varies. it's a great question but specifically, the dell reese moss, a couple of weeks ago my assignment after our

morning editorial meeting was to try to do a story about the challenge of recruiting new recruits in the current climate we findourselves in . and i was directed to congress his mom and ferguson, the police department in the st. louis police department, none of them wanted to cooperate with the story so i think it varies or initially when moss took over in ferguson he was doing a lot of media and now he's kind of pullback and it seems to be a bit of a strategy. i'm not sure why that is but i'm sure he has hisreasons . i'm sure he has his hands. maybe his time is, maybe he considers his time better spent doing his job rather than dealing with the media although it could obviously be argued that communicating with the public through the media is going to go a long

way toward getting to where they want tobe in ferguson . >> just to wrap up, when you guys are making your decisions in terms of local coverage, i would like each one of you to leave us as we close this segment with the thing that primary on your mind as you are making decisions about the story you are going to cover, what you're going to leave with, the images you are going to show. what's the primary thing on your mind as you aremaking those decisions and let's start with you and come back this way . >> i think one of the challenges, let's talk about the issue of violence that many of us as reporters have to deal with area how do you tell that story in a meaningful way? how do you avoid crimewithout context . it's easy to go out to the crime scene and get the shots and get the crime to the police officer standing around, it's more challenging

to get behind the headlines, provide context, tell some personal stories. so those are the daily challenges that we face every day is trying to come up with a different way of telling these stories that happened over and over again, three people shot, four people shot, five people shot. a lot of us are dealing with that. how do you figure out a way to engage the audience because we become desensitized because this is happening on a daily basis in many of our cities. >> real quick we got one minute left. >> i think for me there's two things. there's innovation and then there's people. the first thing that goes through my mind as a manager and executive producer when i'm trying to plan our day is what do the people want to know? people tell good stories so i want to go out into the community and find stories impact the people, that impact the broader audience and that's something i tell my producers, that's

something my management reaches style. i want to engage our audience but i want to engage them with their stories, not just dictate what we decide we want to cover. >> terry, real quick. >> to echo a little bit of what they're saying, as we oftentimes talked about, i tell them don't just do the who what where, do the so, what, how or the wife. i think you can do that as a daily thing but it's why we developed an investigative team to tell those stories to take a step back and get bigger context area . >> thank you so much to our panel from giving us a local perspective. teri arvesu, andre brooks and art holiday, thank you so much. my question is do we actually have, this is to angela, do we have a clip here? are we going right into our panel? is there a clip? we're going right into the panel. so the other big topic of

course is immigration and we are joined now by two incredible reporters, i'm thrilled to have you both here. alfredo corchado and cindy carcamo are joining us, both of you old award-winning journalist who have covered immigration.joy, do you want to start us off? the three of us have been covering this, well, you and i for a long time. and i guess alfredo, for you. >> let's just talk about the wall. >> first of all, thewall , it's already built . latino usa is going to do a full hour on the wall because you know 10 years ago they built the wall area already. and by the way, boeing corporation got $28 billion to build a sidewall. where did $28 billion go? you want to talk about the wall. why? >> i wear many hats. i'm also be director of

borderland at the cronkite school of journalism, we spent the last three or four months traveling from no javess to take on a two-month tomorrow's read both sides of the border. we did the first: more than 15 years asking people on the border, this is a campaign season so people on the border are used to being the ta when it comes to the campaign. ta, you see your poll numbers go up to it that's why every time donald trump says build a wall the room goes ecstatic so we wanted to ask a question, do we need a wall and everybody was saying we've had, there's only like 700 miles left of wall up. 76 percent in the us said no, we don't need a wall. more than 80 percent of the mexican side. these are people along the us mexican border but what was

interesting was that people in spite of what the politicians say that people form feel more secure, these are historical illegal immigration's coming in from the south. there's zero migration coming in. hopefully they will build more bridges, less walls. they want much more united on one side than the other. they want some where people can go back and forth peacefully. more and more of the european model. >> let me interrupt you. how is it possible that right now in the united states we have basically zero migration? and that you have a presidential candidate that has made it one of his main party platform decisions to stop the immigration and yet it's zero? are we not doing our jobs well? is the public not listening? where's the difference?

>> great question and that's what led us to want to do the pole. why are we hearing this rhetoric to mark there is a lot of comic immigration is a very difficult issue, very complex issue to cover. >> cindy. >> i think given that we have a net zero immigration, we still have complex immigration and it's still happening, it's a little different now than in different places like central america and in children who are coming on a company which i think is something that i've been focusing a lot of my stories on lately. it's a phenomenon and people have puzzled, they don't know why these people are coming and in the media what we try to do or at least what i tried to do is inform people that these countries where you are having an exodus of children to find out what is happening and you have

overwhelming prevalence in some of these countries, especially el salvador and it's probably not even about the pole anymore. it's a push, people are fleeing, they are escaping . gang recruitment, so i think it's a different kind of liberation. you still have it but it's not the numbers you used to see a few years ago at all and it says something about, i remember a while i was in arizona there was a border reporter there and i was writing a story about their town in arizona where people actually felt invaded but not by illegal immigration, by border patrol. and they felt like their area where they were living was militarized.

it's not like that. so ithink it's interesting, i think it's very complex , the issues of immigration and especially along the border it's very complex . my question is, as a child of two immigrants living in brooklyn new york, with today's political reporting on the republican president of the united states exploiting people to come here perhaps not quite legally. i wonder if in your newsroom there are people are not liberal coming irrigation and covering it in a broader spectrum because they are all white and black immigrants who also sometimes come in without question. i'mwondering if there's anybody in the news that discovering that . >> i latina, i covered immigration issues for the los angeles times and we have a whole team of people who cover immigration in different ways.

for instance we have people in our dc office cover immigration from obviously from a bigger point of view, more of a policy angle area we have molly to see fits who's in texas and she covers a lot of immigration, she has it at one of the major places for immigration right now and we have someone in arizona as well though we all try to teaching and do what we can. >> are we sort of segregating latinos is the only group of people to be feared from illegal migration when there's actually a much broader missing. >> there is a much broader angle. we in our newsroom, we don't have any other people, well no, we do. we have frank sean who covers immigration from asian countries, from asia but you are right. we could do a betterjob, definitely. we could always do a better job, i agree.

>> why do we think , those of you and joy, why do we think that given the fact that our country is clearly incredibly diverse in terms of immigration that we are still stuck on these very basic narratives that haven't ... i know my entire career has been trying to move the needle but on a nationalscale still , what's your sense of why we are still reduced to this very simplistic notion that it's just mexican immigrants and they are all hopping the fence? we know it's so much more complex. >> it's a huge question alfredo. but i struggle with it in the sense that i'm notsure why we keep on going in the circle . >> it's an opportunity. any minute now were going to start a panel discussion about white immigration, virginia beach, you are all welcome to come and that's one of the things we want to talk about is the complexity and why as you say after two

or threedecades of covering this, why does this remain? my first job , it was in the pakistan examiner in the wall street journal, it was immigration and here we are 30 years later talking about the same issue. >> maria, it's no different than a black thing. one of the greatest benefactors have been white women. it's easy and we don't want to dealwith complex stuff . there's hundred thousand black folks in the caribbean west indies, bermuda and africa that come to the country from illegal immigration but you don't see those faces. if you make it latino being a white thing, it's simple read in the media frankly, our simpleminded people it's easy to take out people who don't vote, basically. >> i think we are actually out of time for this panel. i think we are going to thank our panel but we want to remind you guys that this discussion is going to, there are three important workshops taking place immediately after this recession. this discussion will be in

virginia be, i believe. we have an education forum taking place in maryland a and maria, i think there will be a discussion on immigration virginia beach, local news will be in virginia a as well an education in maryland a. >> alright. >> i want to give one more announcement that before you guys go i want to bring my call medina, the national association of hispanic journalists and sarah glover who is the president of national association of black journalists back up to the dais so they can make a final announcement and thank all of our panels and the wonderful maria. thank you guys. thank you. >> tonight on q&a, a conversation with u.s. senate program students. these high schoolers talk about their precipitation in the weeklong government and leadership program and their

plans for the future. that's at 7 pm eastern. and coming up tonight at eight on book tv in prime time, works and comments by reporters in the field starting with richard engel and his book and then all hell broke loose: two decades in the middle east. at 8:45, david dendy and his book lit up, one word, preschools, 24 books that can change lives. just past 9:30, sebastian younger on tried, on homecoming and belonging from the printers row book festival and 10:25, christiana lamb, digiovanni and they take place in a panel uncovering war. all this tonight on tv on primetime beginning ateight eastern on c-span2 . >>. >> during this most recent term, the us court even 423 vote