bullying. about 15 years ago, i was a student in schools. i remember one day my teacher in our social studies class asked me to give a presentation on my cast and i didn't understand -- i didn't know what my cast was. and, putting me on the spot like that, immediately signaled to everyone else that i was different. p when you have the added pressure of being a member of the lgbt community regardless of whether you are out, it adds an entirely -- another layer of stress. another layer of bullying. i think the second issue which hindu lgbt students struggle with, they don't, necessarily and not general rallize, but, iy

don't get the support. there are many factors. one of them being that again, it's largely an immigrant community. you have a lot of the resources, that are provided by either the government or by lgbt organizations, not always in the languages that they speak. they're not always addressed to their specific needs. in a lot of the hindu community centers, there tends to be a lack of focus on lgbt people. i think that's because it's such a new issue for many. there hasn't been a very large hindu lgbt community. it is growing very quickly. as a

result, when you have issues, hindu students who to want come out and fight, any potential backlash, in many cases they face communities who don't know how to help them. so they are in a curious bind. in my time, i have had a chance to have these conversations with them and also, to work on both sides on educating the community, on how to help them and serving as advocate. it's important to expand this conversation beyond just the public school system. talk about what's happening at home for a lot of these students and what's happening in their community centers and in their houses of worship. one thing that i found is that, a lot of individuals, regardless

of the background, want what's best for their kid and support them. many times, they just don't have the tools. i think that's where all of us can come together to help fill in that gap. to help provide language resources and, basically, make sure that, the communities have the tools to be able to support the students. i think that's enough for now. >> so, can you hear me? okay. up here you can't, now i can tell, so some of the things, about, some of the challenges, that we have had, when can toms to implementing the work, i would be remiss if i did not say

that money was into the challenge. so, back in 2011 when we wrote this plan it was me as the director, managing a bunch of different programs and my program assistant figuring out how we were going to get the ball rolling. we were fortunate in the sense that we had a tremendous amount of commitment from our leadership. and commitment from the two of us and the fact that the two of us were bodies, in positions that could do work and then work within the community to develop resources. that way and figure out who is investedded, and working with our steering committee it worke, to implement things. so even with limited funds we

were able to do a lot. our leading with pride conference, which is our lgbt g.s.a. conference -- >> yeah. [laughter] >> so we had our fourth annual leading with pride. that was really, a brain child of this steering committee. it came, like we had the building. we add school. the trevor project had volunteers who could pay for lunch, and, they had volunteers who could run sessions and smile, the local youth was able to help with programming and developing, and, doing lot of work around the conference organizing. we pulled it off. but it was through sort of, you know, going back to the grassroots, figuring out how to get things done with a lack of budget and working closely, with the folks.

one thing we heard, that was they loved materials and they wanted one with dc public schools. so if they said take that poster down, they could say no it's at dc poster. they said, hey, you wanted had to make those most centers -- posters. and, put your order in. but one thing that was transformational, which was the centers for disease control, funding announce men that came out, the 1308 grant, for those who work for the feds. that's the darybs.

hiv, prevention and they built in lgbt into the safe and supportive environments, of that grant. that gave us additional staffing. i hired two staff members to run the grants and we built out our lgbt materials. we bought more shirts and buttons and we developed our transgender policy guidance. we were able to fulfill the vision of our plan and go even further than we imagined. so it is through that federal support that we saw transformation. another challenge was, those who work in school districts can feel outside, and you have to learn from others, moving lgbt work for their students. so, i met judy, from l.a. unified who spoke yesterday

through some of this folks thooive bringing us together. the national organization, that brings together school districts that are leading the way on lgbt work. i was invited to attend four-years ago, and i met judy who was doing it forever. maybe not forever. but for longer than we had. and, was able to pick her brain and others. so even in the absence of clear funding and now that we do have funding now i can pay to go to the conference, instead of my own pocketbook and goat share with other partners. i would say that not being able to have another -- a direct, to be able to link our work to student outcomes. we don't ask them, when they enroll about their gender identity, we ask them, whether they are male or female.

this is my request to you all, at the department, who have power, what i understand is that we have to submit to the fefds a by fire response for gender. which, a few years ago, we tried to add, to not disclose, that was being more inclusive. but at the end of the day, even if a family member chose that category, they are instructed to read and assign a gender. that's because the feds accept male or female. and so we took that to our state office. it is coming down from the feds. so if you could fix that, that would be awesome. because we, we have the will, to ask our student, about more

about their gender identity because, in our transgender guidance we have a school planning tool where our school staff would sit down with a young person, and their family, if they were involved in this and come up with a plan for how accommodations, to safort spo the gender identity, during the school day. it would be awesome, if we could know that we add kid coming our way, if they wanted to let us know. and then we could prepare for them. so that would be, and, happy to talk further about that. but being able to directly link our inputs to student outcomes is a challenge that, i have. we work around it by telling stories and -- we, once you start -- when you work on issues, in a school district you november your students. they kim to you, with questions. their parents come to you with

questions and g.s.a. advisers come and they walk up to you and oh, really, you're doing stuff. not my school. so they out themselves to you. so i have it. >> and, i have stories of success. i have some pretty sad stories. but lots of stories. >> i think for us, and a going to take this up a little bit

from the district level to what i focus on, the national level. we run into the same problem, is that there's sort of two thoughts that come to mind. one of those is data collection, and i think the recent workout from cdc is shocking. in part it's shocking because we haven't really had data looks at lgbt student experience, outside of organizations like -- on the government level we haven't had that level. it's something that's a big chunk especially when you're trying to do advocacy with the governmental on is whether that's school boards, state legislatures, congress. they want data that comes from government. so i think the more we are able to select and figure ways to include lgbt students and collecting lgbt students in data

collection instance, the better. it gets tricky when you start manipulate these instruments. i think having it in our minds and making that, make an effort to do that is important. the other thing that's probably a little harder to change for like us in this room is the political climate is also something that has been pretty challenging. and i think more than any other issue that i know of, education is seen as a more local, pushed down to a more local of all regardless of where you working at it. if your workout on a national level and we say we want is the anti-bullying bill for a long time, if we go to congress and say that come often with the congress say this isn't really a federal level issue, it's a state level issue. it should be left up to the states so try to make a push at the state level. this isn't really a state level,

it should be left to the dish it. each level tries to push it down to the next. that's one area where we need to look at the something it shouldn't matter if you live in alabama or massachusetts. students shouldn't be bullied arrests in schools because of their sexual orientation. there should be a national framework that states that can then build off of that we know that work in these policies. the other is just sort of the political climate generally around lgbt issues and the political climate that surrounds that at a general level. the answer to that is held by student voices to talk about the experiences of students. i think that's the way to really change hearts and minds to be able to address these issues on sort of a local level. that sounds kind of mushy to understand it sounds of mushy but i do think that is a real

barrier that we have. the more we are able to say this isn't like an obscure hypothetical scenario, this is experiences of real students on a day-to-day basis really just want to go to school and get an education, the better shape we are going to be in. >> thank you. i have so many questions for you but i've only ask one more because want to give some of the folks a chance to chime in. all of you have been talking, i was going to ask you what our strategies in building a positive environment. one is, in this political climate, where is sources of support, resources that help push back against that, talking about -- to your point about families want to support their kids but they might need help understand what that looks like. there are good examples for lgbt

use. one on the mental health building better behavioral health outcome, sort of where are you alternative idea for sources of support? and also more on the system side of things, thinking about the title ix guidance which i would remiss if i didn't mention i do not work for the department of it but i'm shocked we're not talking about title ix when it comes to bullying. structural things, are there specific tool tools and resourcu would point people towards that i felt build success? james kemp i will start with you and we will come down the line. >> okay. just on a school level, having advisors in our gender sexual the lines helps a lot. so we are group of lgbt students that are extremely underprivileged. we all have intersectoral identities, and having those teachers that connections to

administration are extra and helpful for us to use. so when we gather in these group setting and we talk about bullying or harassment or just general oppression we been expensing, those advisers think and go to administration and use their privilege and their voices to advocate for us. we can't rely on 10 in that aspect. they're just more trusted. our advisors are really great and i really appreciated the we also have one advisor that is a licensed therapist. so she could moderate our atmosphere very well and she just knows how to handle the culture of our group, which is important. what was the question? what else can i say about that? okay, sorry. also support of parents. so we had that event, the picnic

all across the county. a lot of parents came with their kids and they were like what can we do? we support our kids. and in the upcoming year we want to utilize their more, not everyone in our club and that everybody in the lgbt community has support of family. so having parents be spokespeople for other parents really helps because it shows that it is possible to be a parent with certain values or just be a parent ensure that accepts their kids. also, let's see, organizations like smile, big organizations that can help us push forward. specifically in my county, the teachers union helps us a lot. a lot of the members will come to training that we hold. recently we had a gender one-to-one training that iran with another trans person who is actually a teacher. it was so super cool that we have those two perspectives and

we basically gave a rundown on basic gender identity and edgy all of these teachers. the connection with the teachers union made it possible because they sponsor the event, but also in your big organizations sponsoring an event like that people are more likely to listen. as you this important to find adults that we can trust and there are a lot of cool and great lgbt adults that i know that are willing to come to my gsa and talk about their personal expenses or even offer money. there some rich lgbt people out of there. so we get donations sometimes from people and it's good to be supported, special as lgbt youth, we have very low life expectancy, especially trans people. so to have those role models, it shows us that lgbt people can survive in our world which is sometimes very hard to believe in our school climate.

yeah. >> i don't know what i'm going to say. i think again in terms of sources of support i think it's important never to underestimate the amount of support that families and communities and houses of worship can provide and i think my flawlessly on this issue and certainly hhs philosophy is that empowering positive voices, empowering progressive voices on these issues is always the best way to go. the change comes within committees rather than having some come from the top and kind of said this is what you need to do. to that end, our efforts on lgbt issues in the last year have focused on empowering the voices of lgbt and do some focusing on helping them speak out more readily.

helping to give a voice to what their lives look like to kind of change communities to show that it's not something that's for. this is something that's hard of our communities. these are people who go to temple with us to those of people sent across the dinner table with us. as national organizations, as people who come from washington, d.c. i think the best thing that we can do is to empower those in the local community home are doing this work. i think it's much harder to ignore your neighbors talking to you about these issues than it is to ignore someone like me coming in from d.c. related to that, i believe the national pacific america, islanders, i apologize, but they are a fantastic organization, activists from all across asia,

the indians, and they released recently a pretty fantastic resource document and a number of different languages on lgbt issues. i think this is a great start and i think it's incumbent on other organization when resources are released to seek an obviously it does take time and energy to translate legacy to what extent resources committed of able in other languages. because i think once you cross the language barrier, crossed the cultural barrier there's a lot of change that can be me. these are communities that want to support their kids. they just need a little bit of support from us to be able to do it. >> i'll be very brief because i think some of the major point were already highlighted and i want to make sure with time for questions. i was going to say they're several things we focus on in terms of kind of putting those

supports in place. one is supported educators and making sure educators who are supportive have the resources and the backing to make sure that there stood still that they are supportive. there was a faith-based kit available on our website and we set one up every middle and high school in the country. a supporter resources as well as a poster that educators can hang in the classrooms to indicate their support. i would point out the work held a unified is doing with the badges indicate the board of education is also the students know who the people are. so thank you for that. the other thing i will point out is gsa, creating safe spaces in the schools for students to have in addition to kind of rallying points to be able to create actions or work with the school for the education purposes and those sorts of things. inclusive policies such as estate schools improvement act

or other anti-bully legislation on the state and federal level are important in curriculum, making sure lgbt students see themselves reflected in curriculum, particularly history curriculum. social studies creative and also making sure that on lgbt students seat belt utp people reflected in history and making sure that those achievements are highlighted as well. and then i will touch briefly, the title ix guidance, this administration has been, has made huge strides about lgbt issues in schools. they released a guidance unfolding at harassment. they have both recently released a guidance on nondiscrimination for transgender students and exactly what that means for schools and what needs to happen. that guidance is currently being challenged but it is in effect so those are i think strong pieces as well, and certainly strong pieces by the foundation

we can then build off of in future administrations. i think it lays really great groundwork. >> so i wanted ago what nathan just said about the title nine guidance, for transgender accommodations guidance. also i would say that released on nondiscrimination laws, which also said, around import. that's helped us in d.c. so in addition to title ix protection, we also the d.c. human rights act which has 19 protected classes. want you here in the district of columbia, all 19 of your categories are protected here while you're in d.c. so welcome and enjoy your rights. don't go home if -- i start sounding like megatrend i start sounding like the visitors bureau or the chamber of commerce because i start talking about -- right.

this is the worst. i think tomorrow will be the worst. if you here t tomorrow it's goig to be 98 degrees and humid. aside from the weather we have 19 protected classes. if you have a strong nondiscrimination law in your area, that is great that includes sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression. then you have a lot of support. a lot of the work we do in our schools is really helping our schools to understand the rights of our students and their obligations as employees for the district of columbia. we have a lot of obligations did not violate people's civil rights in d.c. and everywhere else but we just have 19 protected classes the in addition title ix we have another federal law that's important which is for bus and he doesn't know what that is?

it's the family educational rights and privacy act of 1972. and one of the things come what may things that does come it does two things when it comes to lgbtq students. one comment means anything that's in the educational record, their parents are entitled to. when you're working with a young person especially a young person who's preferred name for him pronoun is different than what their parents think it is, then you need to counsel them about if we put this into our students information system in your parents have access to this information. also what it says is that if it is a discrepancy i in the educational record you can contest that. we worked with one of our community partners, women walker health is a local lgbt q. or position in d.c. that has a name change clinic and to help people go through the legal process of changing the name and the gender markers in d.c.

we have very a from the loss d.c. when it comes to that. we worked with them to one of our alums actually get a new diploma and a transcript because she used ferpa to articulate she was compellingly enough for our waters to say yes, there's a discrepancy of educational records, you need to issue her a new diploma at a new transcript with her correct name and gender marker. so that was huge that was last summer we did that. i would also say once he of all these laws and policies can you figure out which ones they are, we have benefited by articulate it in a clear policy guidance. now we have something in writing that our staff can use and we tell them it's all in there. if you have a question give us a call. really a guiding document for staff. for the most part our school step want to do the right thing. they don't know how. and sometimes we make mistakes a lot of times we make mistakes as

adults. we can make amends and hopefully we will be forgiven but our schools now have a way to engage with our transgender and her gender nonconforming students in a way that affirms them that meets the law, et cetera, et cetera can help them feel included in the school community. our community partnerships i think as a resource, wherever you live in a partners in your community that really can make a difference for your students this summer in particular we took a lot of kids abroad, d.c. sponsored a number of trips abroad. one of our students with a transgender student and had never been out of the country, did not have a passport and was able to go on one of these trips. we were able to reach out to whitman walker, ache in my college runs the name change clinic and say is this something can help with? i know you're goo good at gettig

for certificate step in the student didn't have a birth certificate. the student left within a week. i don't know what they did at my development of magic. maybe they drove to philadelphia and waited for the passport but some of the gaza strip a passport within this industry went on the trip. so that's really been able to leverage a partnership. finally, i would say to go things, sorry. another thing with partnerships, we have developed relationships with our facilities folks, the folks that are modernizing all of our schools and the folks that made all of our school buildings. they now really understand what it means to require all gender ration is our schools. so they now not only are supporting us and working with us and walking school buildings with us but they are proactively identifying schools that are being modernized to communicate we will need to make a couple of changes in your final plans can move a couple of walls so that we can build a door this way so that are all gender restaurant is accessible to the hallway and

it's good work that students can use this. so that's sorted through all of partnerships and relationship building we've been able to publish the. finally, the last thing i would say is that your parents are your tremendous resource. i have learned so much from our parents when it comes, regardless of the topic, whether it's asthma or bisexuality, like that parents teach me so much and teach me how to better advocate for their children to our policies and programs. if you don't have a regulate the committee with a parent, figure out how you can, and also don't be afraid to answer those so-called. if they call screening, just listen. wait until they're done screaming and then continue that conversation because there's so many nuggets in there. because they are the expert for their kid and they can help you influence both the lives of the kid turns gold and also the other students in your school.

>> in the back. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> how to support that student while maintaining some of the privacy around their situation? >> thanks for the question and thank you for seeing me yesterday. so that is complicated. we have a lot of people in my gender sexual allies that are not out at home, so when they attend our meetings and events

and said there has to be a lot of navigating. that's complicated. ferpa is great. i used it when i was outed to my administration and everything but it's complicated. there needs to be more of an open conversation with parents so that doesn't need to be that what will they think, however thinking? that unawareness. there has to be a better word for that. something that prevents these issues from coming up. i feel like that could probably be applied to a lot of issues but specifically lgbt students, politics are so complicated and i think that makes a lot of school officials and administration very hesitant to talk to parents about this kind of stuff. but what needs to happen is that these conversations need to be going on with every single parent, and then we won't have this issue. but if it does happen, i think

it needs to be handled with a lot of care and a lot of fumigation with the students. a lot of my friends have been out of to the parents and it's been a catastrophe. i'm lucky to have supportive parents but that just doesn't work for so many people. always have conversation with all of the paris, so that needs to change just like structurally, but that also flow conversations not by the way, your kid is lgbt and a is lgbt and a couple with another incredibly injured. it needs to be, i don't know, if you're incredibly injured then maybe you need to have a quick conversation. that was a bad example, i'm sorry. but just talk to the students. just as better experts on the kids, the kids are experts on the parents. the kids will know about what's going on and they will know how to handle those issues. thank you. >> i can speak a little bit to it but judy, do you have the answer?

[inaudible] -- it is and isn't at school, students can have some privacy. >> so right now our schools are charged with reporting incidents of bullying, and we are looking at incidents of bullying based on particular reasons. i don't know if school districts necessarily have the right safeguards in place to redact or to know to proactively redact that information, if a parent asks to see can see the complete record of the student behavior tracker, which is what we call in d.c. certainly for bethesda parents to those. it depends on what's and education record under legal counsel will help you determine what goes into your education

record there is some federal guidance but then also states and the district, because of her own legislation, we actually have some of that spelled out in our municipal regulations. and so there are teacher notes and there are education records. our student planning tool that's it our trance policy guidance to our legal counsel calls those teacher notes. so if you are talking about what name do you want to be used it was going to go into your book, what about going to the bathroom, how do it to change that for sports, all sorts of questions that we might want to sort of help a young person think through and help the school thinks of in the competitions, that all goes into teacher notes. those are not part of the education record and do not get head over to parents. but it's complicated.

>> but we also, we are bound, we can't disclose someone's transgender steps according to the regulation. >> last question. >> thank you all so much for sharing your experience and your knowledge. this question is that they specifically for nathan. i'm so happy you exist. i'm so grateful for your years and years of collecting data but i have a bone to pick with you. i think today we were pretty resoundingly across the panels that while student to student bold in is a major issue, there's also institutionally supported harassment of her lgbtq students and others that sometimes comes in the form of individual teachers, whether it's comments in passing on the curriculum that is being taught.

and in other times comes in the form of the way the discipline is being doled out, and i think every year look to the school climate survey and look for questions or asking not just about how do students feel in general about their school experience but what other experiences with the discipline, what are their experiences with her administration was that's an area i always find lacking. i think the questions just miss it and it simply and the question. is there any entrance to explore these questions in more depth? i think it will help us point to how our work to thwart lgbtq students is directly linked to educational outcomes which would help us do our work better and do our work more and all those things.

is there any interest in that? >> absolutely. i am so glad i have a response. we actually just released a report three and a half weeks ago, maybe four weeks ago called educational exclusion and it looked at discipline experiences of lgbt. so check that it is also on a website and the research section but i think we can as with evolved over the years we're trying to keep current with the conversations and i think certainly school push-ups, school to prison pipeline issues, there's more than just intersection now the their with the other work that we do, particularly with harassment and discrimination and i would encourage you to check out the educational exclusion report and also i can keep my contact information but if you still have a bone to pick with me after you read that, feel free to send any not i'm not happy to

send that along to our research department as they are crafting the next research. >> thank you very much. please join me in thanking our panelists. [applause] >> [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

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bullying conference, here are some of the earlier discussions. >> all right. thank you, everyone. so i had introduced myself earlier. my name is sarah and i work in the office of safe and healthy students in the office of elementary education at ed and i will be moderating this panel. we have a great panel and feel free to ask a lot of questions at the end if there's anything that you are unsure about. at the conclusion of today's session you will know about developing emergency operations' plans. i'm going to provide you a brief overview of bullying. i know we heard about it already. afterwards my madeline will provide planning and in

conclusion, you'll hear from juni khan, the program director with the district in massachusetts and jina is on her way right now. if you see someone coming on stage, that's who that is. and we will also provide you with free resources for you when you return back to your school district. so as you all heard this morning bullying is unwanted aggressive behavioral among school-aged children that involve power and balance. the behavior is repeated or potential to be repeated over time. both sides who are bullied and those who bully other may have serious and lasting problems. and this graphic is from stopbulling.gov.

bullying can threaten students physical and emotional safety at school and impact ability to learn. the best way to address bullying is stop it before it starts. there are a number of school staff can use to make school safer and prevent bullying. you can stop bullying on the spot. when adults respond quickly and consist eveningly to bullying behavior, they send the message that it's not acceptable. research show that is this can stop bullying behavior over time. there are simple step that is adults can take, stop bulling on the spot and keep students safe. do intervene immediately. it's okay to get another adult to help you. separate those who are involved, make sure everyone is safe and meet any mental health needs and stay calm. the office of secretary and secondary here at the department of education has great words for us. thank you everyone and get ready

to enjoy. [applause] >> hi, good afternoon, everyone. i know i'm what stands before you and a weekend so i promise to be very short. i just wanted to thank you for the opportunity for joining you here today at the federal bullying prevention summer and i would like to thank each and every one of you. i would like to pause and thank the people who made today happen. so i would like to thank the staff here at the department, david, sarah, amy, dewayne, michelle and the entire committee for putting the summit together as well as cross-government partners by making everything we have experienced today come together seemesly. and then also goes without

saying that the summit would not have been the same without the students that joined us here today. i want to thank them for telling their story. could we give them a round of applause. thank you, guys. [applause] >> i hope that today you're walking away with concrete solutions particularly of lgbt students, students from muslim, south asian communities and students with disabilities, these students encounter challenges and we could be more responsive to their needs and the needs of all students. it's imperative to improve work among all students to help foster safe and learning environments. we have made a lot of progress over the last eight years and it's been a true partnership

among communities and we have see the prevalence of bullying drop over time. we will strive to reduce this even further. thank you all for your commitment here today to keep that moving in the right direction. however, as you also heard today there's still much more work that needs to be done and too many students across our country and in so many of our schools continue to be bully. we continue to face new and rapidly changing challenges specially as it relates to use of technology and cyber bullying and as some of you may heard discussed yesterday, leaders in the field are fine-tuning to raise awareness of being good citizens and also that we continue to work towards and educate people around. as i hope this summit demonstrates at the federal level and particularly here at ed, we focus on breaking down the silence to make it seamless for the community to access tools. also using the lens of school

climate we are able focus on safe and healthy school climate is necessary to keep students engage and succeed academically, socially and emotionally and will help to reduce other dangerous behaviors. let's keep adding to our collective tool kit and respond to bullying by working together instead of separately. hopefully today you had a achance to learn, engage with new and old colleagues in the field. everyone in this room and those watching on live stream i hope you guys are still watching has a role to play in the efforts and the more ways that we can work together, better off our students will be. before we leave this afternoon, i would like to send my heart-felt thanks for your active and participation including those speakers, those in the audience, those facilitated all of our wonderful sessions and panels and federal staff support. thank you each and every one of you for leadership and commitment to this work.

you guys are definitely moving the ball forward and it's just so thank you very much for coming and have a good weekend. [applause] >> hello, inch, i'm jackie and i realize for a good reason, i'm from is substance abuse and mental service administration but i wanted to make a final thank you to sarah who has put together not only the event today but of yesterday at the white house which was tremendous. thank you very much, sarah. [applause] >> it was a tremendous amount of work and i wanted to make sure that she knew that on behalf of all several partners in bullying prevention how grateful we are of all of your work. thank you very much and thank

you for letting me hijack the microphone, have a wonderful weekend. [inaudible conversations] >> on book tv tonight authors from q&a programs, arthur herman and at 9:00 p.m. the book invisible, untold stories about african-american slaves in the white house.

and just before 11:00 tonight former new york city police officer. once a come, street and one world, one man. >> here are programs for this weekend. on saturday at 7:00 p.m. eastern the supreme court justice ryan. she speaks about politics here in washington, d.c. at 10:00 p.m. eastern after words with radio host dana lash she argue that is the u.s. is splintering into two countries. fly over nation. you can't run a country you have never been to. she's interviewed by fox news

contributor and town hall political anchor. >> you have the yanking back and forth. you have the right and the left who are pulling them in one direction or another and it goes back to we need you to show up a certain way to vote and we need you to support it. that divide is kind of scary because now politics, it's affecting whether or not we are going to be able to equally defend ourselves against a major threat. >> on sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern journalists looks at how some schools policies are having negative impact on the lives of american black students in the book pushout. criminalization of black girls in school. schools and other institutions that are supposed to help are the very place that are criminalizing black girls. go to book tv.org for the complete schedule. >> a group called the fight for 15 holds its first ever nationwide convention today in richmond, virginia. workers from various industries

will call for the raising of the minimum wage to $15 an hour. we will have live coverage starting at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. one of the speakers at the convention joined in on this morning's washington journal. here with us now is the reverend , what does that mean moral revival in the american politics? >> well, it's not actually a nuance if you look at the abolition movement. that was a moral movement. you look at the reconstruction movement. it was a moral movement between blacks an whites and clergy to reframe america. you look at the social gospel move, it was the moral movement, teddy roosevelt and frank roosevelt were impacted by a movement that said in the public scare our deepest concerns are to be fair wages and health care and

education and protecting the environment and equality when it comes to voting.g. the civil rights movement. and so what we believe in 1967. this was before dr. king -- he looked at materialism, militarism and racism. he said we need a radical revolution of values. today when we see a kind of attempt to limit the moral discussion to abortion, homosexuality to suggest that to a better america is to attack public education, deny health care, deny racism, deny criminal justice reform, deny voting rights and make sure everyone with make a vote, it's expression of a moral crisis. t the deepest moral values of our constitution is justice, mercy,

how you care for the vulnerable, how you embrace all people. those are the deep moral values and we believe we need to recover that and in some ways we are challenging the attempt soft so-called religious right and definition of evangelical living to limit the moral discussionbe rather than expand it in our deepest values. >> how are you going about this rerival? i james traveling with dr. james, pastor, sister simone.blackman w ucc church, myself on a nationwide tour. 20-something states between now and november where we are doing the revival time for revolution of values. jewish have joined us, muslims have joined us, we have ridden up a higher ground, we attempt to deliver to rnc and they basically try today arrest us. we did deliver it to the dnc,

every governor and governor candidate, we have now over 1500 clergy from around the country who have signed onto this higher ground moral declaration lookin at seven different areas of public policy and that health care is a moral issue, public education is a moral education, women's health is a moral issue, voting rights, lgbt equality -- equal protection under the law is a moral issue. >> all democrats? >> no, no, that's one of the good things. i'm a part of the moral movement in north carolina which is spread a number of places. we had something like 1200 people go to jail, challenging extremism in north carolina. many of them, we had 11, 12% of republicans, independents. i just got a note from the other day of a republican who said thank you for the recovery.

it is, in fact, when you go back to 1800, like 1868 it was lincoln republicans who pushed a moral agenda. teddy roosevelt was a republican when he said ensuring health w care, a hundred years before president obama ensuring health care for all u.s. citizens was a moral issue. so eisenhower when he said that public education was as important -- was a national security issue and chief justice warren ruled on the 54 brown case. they declared it was a moralthu. issue. but we've had battles, so, for instance, you had the reconstruction and redeemer's movement that said we want to redeem the country from the sin and black fusion and they took to the limit or you had the so-called moral majority who tended to limit and declared

civil rights and voting rights and freedom for all moral issues that we have to take up in the public scare.. our constitution is a moral document pch. >> you did speak at the democratic national convention, not the republican national convention.at do you believe that one party is more moral than the other? >> i don't think you can look at it at just one party. we go in a lot of places an we are challenging the framework. let me tell you what i think.t u our constitution says the first principal is we, not i, so anybody that says i alone can do anything is constitutional already out of order, a form of political ideology. second our constitution says establishment of justice, the common defense, the generalge welfare, welfare is in our constitution. domestic trang -- tranquility.

our constitution confess that is we are not a more perfect union, we have to work towards. when you look at our deepest religious values, for me as christian, old testament, the new testament, muslims and jews, help lifting the poor, health care, care forking children are all moral issues. so what we say is, when you examine any party or any person, you're not going to find perfection. nobody is perfect. but what you look at are where those policies line up in terms of our deepest moral values. what i will say is that we listl at least five, economic sustainability, infrastructure development to fair taxes to green economy, to addressing warmongering that undermines our

ability. health care and college. syste redeeming education system for black and poor people. never giving up on equal protection under the law. that's a moral parameter and when we look at policies, we ask this question, are these policies constitutionally consistent, that they morally defensible and are they economically sane. >> host: let's get to call, sharon, democrat, you are up here for the reverend. >> caller: i want to say hallelujah.. i was alive and kicking and part of the revolution, the moral revolution of the 1960's, keep up the good work, young man. >> guest: thank you. she mentioned the moral revolution. this country had reframing of moral revolution.

i listened, for instance, at mr. trump and what is interesting about that, i think we miss it when we just focus on him, if you go back to 1968 and listen to george wallace's speech running for the president in madison square gardens, you hear the same thing. before he said yesterday that president obama was the founder of isis, look at the politicians that suggest that it wasobama's president obama's fault. look at the way they continue to fight him. look at the southern strategy, you cannot understand the movement without understanding the southern strategy that was developed by kevin philip and promulgated by nixon and even ronal reagan. what we are learning in the movement, for instance, i work up in areas in north carolina like mitchell county, 89% republican. we have organizing up there and we have people saying, i'm a

republican but not an extremist, i'm an eisenhower, lincoln republican and i believe in the moral values of the scriptures beyond just three hot button issues. in fact, what i go up there sometimes -- gretta, there's a i bible. i have it in the car. evangelicals, that's what i said we have to redefine evangelical. in that bible it marks every scripture that deals with love, justice, how you treat the poor it's 2,000 scriptures. there's only about 3 or 4 scriptures that the religious right hangs it basis on.s how is it that you say so muchis about what god says and soso little what god says so much? that's the question that we have to raise and i think we needve that debate in this country. >> host: richard is next,

independent caller, hi, richard. >> caller: good morning, grettaa good morning reverend barber. you made the comment about protecting the least and the most vulnerable and you did make one -- one reference to abortion. but i haven't heard -- i don'tav know, i didn't hear your speech during the dnc, so i don't know what your stance is on abortion and whether you had been allowed if if opposed to abortion, would you have been allow today make that statement from the platform?e >> guest: and there again is a good question. you have those who want to say where you stand on abortion is an evangelical position, okay, so let's work with that. it is possible for you to say, you are against abortion but you

respect the right for a woman to choose, you also do not throw away a person if they make that decision and in addition to that, if you're going to be -- are you also against the death penalty, are you prohealth care because right now in this country according to to the harvard study that says for every 500,000 people that are denied health care through the medicaid expansion, 2,000 to 2800 of people are dying. 20-something states that are denied health care. my state has denied 500,000 people. according to that statistic, 2500 a year since 2013 have died. that means thousands have diedha in those 20 states. simply not because god called them home but because their lives have been aborted through process of not receiving health care. but some of the people who deny the health care claim that they

are so-called pro-life. you can't be pro-life if you're not proliving wage, if you'reyo not prohealth care, if you're no propublic education. that's counterintuitive. >> host: a democrat, time for you to ask your question. >> caller: reverend barber, turned this state to the republicans, first time in 140 years that the klan in this state tried to do and they didn't do and we lost it because the main thing because they run payday lenders out of town and y'all are marching, marching to washington for health care, it's right there in the state house. and marching and if you marching and if you call yourself

marching and don't know where you're marching to, you're just walking, that's all you'rerethas doing. all >> guest: you're exactly right. that's why 1200 people did civia disobidience and passed the worst voter suppression bill. the court gave us two victories, it was intentional racism and discrimination on the voter suppression bill and then yesterday said that redistricting lines were racially drawn and, in fact, that we basically had an unconstitutionally constituted legislator. we lost in 2012 because of unconstitutional racist redistricting and voter suppression. and that's why we believe in our

moral movement, why we are going to these states. my brother is right, he said go back to this state and build a movement from the bottom up that is deeply moral, deeply consti constitutional, antiracist, antipoverty, movement that beings all white, blacks latino together. >> host: we are talking withllim reverend william barber, president of repairs of the breach, what is that? >> guest: healing of the nationn and institute. for lack of a better word, it is a traveling seminary and public theology and activist. we are training clergy of all different faiths on moral analysis, moral articulation and

moral activism.. i just left indiana yesterday, more than 100 clergy and activist who are going to be here this morning, more than 100 clergy and activists and on the 28th, we will hold moral and we are receiving -- we were in boston a week ago, people around the block. we couldn't get everybody in because people know that we have to have a moral conversation in this country, a moral political conversation in this country that is deeper than just two or three issues that gets at the heart of our democracy.wo >> host: lots of calls waiting for you. gairy in, north carolina, a republican, go ahead. >> caller: yes. in reference to donald trump referring to president obama and hillary clinton as founder of isis, which is kind ofs kind of

ridiculous, what would be the difference between them -- him criticizing them and hillary saying, you know, he was the recruiting sergeant for isis? , i i mean, if the mainstream media would focus on the issues and quit blowing things out of proportion we would get a lot clear view of what this race is all about. >> caller: , well, my brother, i think you're incredibly right. we need to focus on the issues of economics, poverty, raising the living wages and public education and health care reform the criminal justice system and protecting the rights of all people because the 14th amendment is in the constitutioe and certainly protecting and expanding of voting right. i also thing we need to focus on

racism. donald trump, he started that way and i wonder what had had -- what has happened if po started saying his campaign if i'm going to build a wall, what really would have happened if president obama had said one or two of the things that -- that trump had said. i wonder if president obama had said about president bush that p he was the founder -- the problem with this language about being founder, and i think we all have to be careful with the language. we in this country, what do we do to terrorists, we go after them. we kilter risks. this is the language that's dangerous. remember george wallace, '63, segregation, yesterday, today and form, forever. by the end of '63 what happened? language. you're the founder of isis, goa after terrorist.

the day before you say we ought to have second amendment solution and it wasn't just trump that suggested that. second amendment about guns, then you say the president and the candidate are founders of isis, founders of terrorism, there's a lot of coded language. what are you really saying and what person who maybe sick will pick that up and then use it as justification for some horrendous things. >> host: he was being sarcastic of the foundation of isis. trump makes appeal to evangelical to christian leaders saying we need religious voters to get out and vote. >> guest: we do. the term evangelical has been coopted. you look at kevin cruz's book, one nation under god.

there's another book called the blessings of business, the term evangelical -- the first time you use the word, you see the word evangelical in the bible, i'm not talking about the in the political realm how people use it is in reference to jesus in his first sermon where he begins with poverty, i come to breach good news to the poor. ptcoh means poor. i have a problem with one saying that i'm an evangelical and your so loud on the issue of -- of praying in school, where you stand on homosexuality and to quiet on living wages when, in

fact, if you look at the scriptures, the majority of the concern when it comes to publics square is about justice. it's not just a matter of individual charity but from a matter of systematic and government policies.of so, yes, evangelical, but i'm an evangelical and sometimes i sayl to the media, they have allowed people to claim to be evangelical without bringingm persons like simone and myself, dr. ford to be counter to that and say, wait, my brother, if you claim to be an evangelical, then i'm vote forking this candidate simply because where they stand on two or three issues rr they do stand on poverty, raising the living wage.. remember, mr. trump said he thought the living wage was already too high. even though we have 64 million americans who work harder today than make less than a living wage and 54% of african

americans. >> host: here is a tweet, if your church is tax exempt, how is it that you can obviously make a political speech, obviously political speech and maintain that status? >> caller: because when i went there i said i'm not here representing the church or any other organization, i am a preacher and as a preacher i have a right to speak both as a preacher and american in the public square just like the prophets did in the bible and we are commanded, you know, you know, religion from a biblical standpoint, religion never meant to be quarantine. true evangelical is whenever

you've been born, changed, however you describe it, it produces a -- think about what we wouldn't have if we had not had preachers and religious figures, we wouldn't have had the abolition movement, social gospel, francis perkins, first woman secretary telling roosevelt you have to do social security, we wouldn't have had civil rights movement by rabbi, dr. king, reed, a church here in dc who was killed, one of the persons killed just before they reached montgomery. >> host: kirk in athens, alabama, independent.

>> caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i would like to question about the validity as a reverend whereby you use scriptures in that book, but in the book as it pertains to morality, that's how homosexuality is described and when you as a reverend promote that as an equivalency and doine a disservice to black people, you should be teaching and peaching with those individuals with that kind of inclination, you should be teaching to repent, you're supposed to be teaching repentance.d

>> guest: i agree. racism, we know that that was putting our constitution -- so because black people know the impact of racism that once you just it and put nit the constitution or document, you can go through 250 years of slavery, another hundred years of jim crowe and still not get it out of the veins of the country. we have to know -- we have to be gons all forms of discrimination because we understand, pluss there are african american whode is are gay, for instance, ruston who organized the march at washington was gay. that's what i'm talking about where you take one piece out and you lift up this, well ow the scripture says a lot about -- we

are all fallen short the scriptures say. that one scripture, brother, it does not trump the scripture you must love your neighbor, it doesn't say love your straight number, i says love your h neighbor like yourself. we have minister that is disagree with say lgbt as a lifestyle, they disagree with same-sex marriage but they stand with us who say we are not going to allow hate to be codified in our law. that it is immoral because the bible says you are supposed to care for those who arear different, you are supposed to treat the stranger, any person equal to being a brother and a sister. and i go back to jesus, spirit of love to priest the acceptable, don't give isolated, my friend, on that one issu' where somebody can say to you, you know, if you really want to be concerned about sexuality,

private sexual matters between you, your god and your priest, the sexuality that you ought to be concerned, i think, is the sex that went on -- what i call the judicial immorality, the elicit relationship between big business and the supreme court that produce the e -- i or lead legitimate child which is citizens united. that's a metaphor. [laughter] >> they caiter to the wealthy and the great. the bible in the old testimony calls it going, it's a metaphor. let's have a real conversation and let's never give up on the 14th amendment. equal production under law. i'm looking at this beautiful sunshine.

i love god because god allows the sun to shine and he doesn't say i'm not going to let it shine on gay people. i'm only going to let it shine on straight people, on white people, i'm only going to let it shine on americans, i'm not going to let it shine on people who don't have their green card yet. that's the grace of god and if i'm going to stand, i'm going to stand on the love, grace and mercy and not use religion as tool of hate of meanness and destruction. >> host: robert in massachusetts, democrat, good morning to you. >> caller: good morning, brother. i'm going to tell you the country was founded on separation between the church and the state. the problem is we have too many preachers dealing with the state and the same way. now, you're head of ncaap of north carolina, you're a preacher and effortless. that's a conflict of interest.

>> guest: amen. >> caller: donald trump or hillary clinton, all preachers will allow politician to come aw and preach. that's going to corrupt. any time a preacher comes to black church like hillary do she's pimping our preachers and our black community. we should not --ly tell you -- i will tell you my brother. i watched what you preachers did down south. you voted for hillary before ite started. how could you do that? >> caller: well, i don't know the you preacher because that's a generalization and certainly not in the generalization. in fact, we in the moral movement have been critical. we have criticized democrats and this, bu republicans.

when i hear the racism, i hear a candidate get up and say i and i alone can do this, it's a form of political ideology and i made a decision not an easy decision to speak and to talk embracing of mrs. clinton, but we made the reference we. i don't care who we are. we won't find a messiah candidate. you know, my brother, let me -- there are some words. we hold the truths to be self-evident that all persons are created equal endowed by the creator, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. approacher wrote that, not thomas jefferson. jw hood who came the bishop, he wrote that in the post slavery reconstruction congress of the south. he joined by the guy named samuel who was a

congregationalist as a moral constitutional right. i think where america would be if her moral voices and peachera had not taken time from william garrison, henry puroe, dr. king, dorothy day, mother theresa, bishop toto and many others, if at sometimes somebody should say, you know, this issue is noi democrat or republican, it's not left versus right, it really is about what is right versus what is wrong based on deepest moral an constitutional values. >> host: jerry, jacksonville, florida, independent. >> caller: yes, good morning, everybody. yesterday -- this is more -- i rather than a question, a comment. yesterday they had the

unemployment figures out which showed that amongst black youth had the highest rate, next come american hispanic youth then comes white, but the allegations have -- asians have a better employment rate out of three works, maybe c-span can do a study and find out why the asian families are outperforming us in the job market. i will take your answer off air that maybe you can do a study on that and find out what they're doing that we should be doing.g. >> host: okay, jerry. >> guest: i think what we need to do, though, is look at what we are doing in this society. you know dr. king in 1967 was pushing the poor people's march and he never finished because he was assassinated, putting

together blacks, whites and latinos to say to america we needed a marshall plan, we need a marshall plan in appalachia where there was deep poverty and urban cities. he said, if we didn't do it we would end up in recession and we did. he said we need to pull out of vietnam war, we need to use that money to restructure. you know, if you're going to have an economic discussion, you to look at a number of things.lo for instance, if the minimum wage kept pace with the inflation, it would be well over $15 an hour. yet, we have seen corporate -- corporations and corporate leaders salaries rise to 3 to 400 times more than that of the average worker. that's a problem. we know that as i said there are 64 million people making less than a living wage. you have persons who argue that if you raise people's living

wage you hurt business. you know that's the same argument they made when franklia roosevelt raised the wage and roosevelt respond to any corporation that would not pay the citizens a living wage is not fit to be in the american society. that's what he said and people called him a socialist and all kind of things. it's like, no. we have work to do. that's why in our economic -- if you look at higher ground, moral declaration, we talk about having a moral vision for full employment. we talk about doing infrastructure because it puts people back to work and rebuilds community. we talk about health care as an economic driver, public education, access to college, community college and college, we talk about immigrants' rights. actually we will have economic impact as well because folks will not be able to use the immigrant population as a way to drive down wages. we talk about fair tax reform.

we talk about a green economy and how we must use that to strengthen our economics. so we have some real work to do. my undergraduate major was in public administration and i don't think it's about pitting one against the other. you to look at systematic racism. you have to look at the way in which jobs are often steered out of community, you have to look at the way in which infrastructure is not putting the community therefore allowing the ability to bring jobs in those communities. we have to look at where public transportation and all of those things are provideed and what we need is a focus on lifting the entire economy and beginning the -- that means lifting from the bottom up because if you lift from the bottom up, everybody rises.ev >> host: at the beginning of this primary process, reverend, were you thinking about -- were you leaning more towards senator sanders before hillary clinton got this nomination? >> guest: i wasn't leaning per

say within the moral movement what i was focusing is getting -- pushing against the limited moral conversation of so-called evangelicalism, pushing a moral agenda out into the public square and getting a real focused. i challenged both candidates to be quite honest on a number of issues and one of them is the issue that we still have not talked enough about and that is that 51 years, 52 years now after the signing of the voting rights act the attorney general has less rights after being sign bid both a republican andn democrat. 52 years, we have gone backwards. after shelby we have seen the worst attack on voting rights since 1960's. the congress of these united states, mcconnell, boehner and ryan now as leaders have basically had a one thousand day

filibuster refuse to go fix the voting right act once the supreme court put it in the hands of congress. we are talking about a congressional filibuster that's lasted over a thousand days. that's a crisis of our democracy when we are here and the voting right act section 4 has not been fixed so section 5 can be in placed. >> host: are democrats talking about it enough? >> guest: i believe none of us are talking about it enough. we are beginning to talk because we are pushing. mrs. clinton talked about it in her speech, congress talking about restoring the voting rights act. the issue is even we as a people we have to push, we have to begin to keep mobilizing and for instance, in the last few weeks where we have seen these cases, you know, they proven that the

courts were wrong. we have seen cases of intentional discrimination we need to full protection of the voting rights act. >> host: let's get in a couple more call ifs we can. democrat, go ahead. >> caller: good morning, reverend dr. williams, i grew up in north carolina and my mother was a member of first baptist church in north carolina, first african, and i wanted toba congratulate, a very good job,. dr. william back western, you're articulate the english language but good job at the democratict. convention, very proud to see you there. i'm a scientist retired, african-american scientist and i studied multilingual, i speak in

german and also in spanish. i am proud of you. the thing is reverend dr. barber and gretta, when you travel, go down south on 95 south, you pass through towns and so forth and you try to pick up broadcast like c-span or something like that and in some places you don't get c-span, in some places -- >> host: ed, we are running short on time. do you have a question here. >> caller: make it short. comment on the right-wing broadcast media. >> caller: charles koch spoke to some people and said they weren't going to invest in candidates anymore, they were going to invest in building a

movement and one of the things is they are going to send a lot of station that is could push their brand of politics and propaganda. i think we cannot walk away from engaging in the media, we cannot walk away from this moral frame. we cannot walk away challenging the conversation of evangelical politics, moral politics in the public square. we have to be engaged and to the caller, my son is going to be dealing with environmental policy. that's another area that we have to deal with, protection of our environment is a moral issue. >> host: you have the book. >> guest: i'm going to give it to you. >> host: let me put it in the camera for our viewers, reverend will wum -- william barber thank

you for the conversation and be us. >> thank >> guest: thank you. >> reporter for the washington examiner will join us to discuss her report on the contents of hillary clinton's emails, allegations sur faced that there was potential conflicts of interest as role of secretary of state and activities in the clinton foundation and then donald green, author of the book third-party matters. >> be sure to watch c-span washington journal at 7:00 eastern saturday morning. join the discussion. >> on book tv tonight authors from previous q&a programs beginning at 8:00 p.m. eastern. arthur herman, american warrior.

at 9:00 p.m., jeffrey holland, untold stories of african americans in the white house. revising the constitutional convention. just before 11:00 tonight former new york deputy kcorey on the book, once a cop, the street, the law, two worlds, one man. book tv on c-span2. 48 hours of nonfiction books and authors every weekend and here are some featured programs for this coming weekend. on saturday at 7:00 p.m. eastern the supreme court of chief justice lauren berger is the focus of yale law school, the berger court and the rise of judicial right. and then at 10:00 p.m. eastern after words with radio host dana laesh.

coastal america and fly over america and her book fly over nation. you can't run a country you've never been to. she's interviewed by guy benson, fox news contributor and town hall political editor. >> it seems in so many ways that not just really so much people in fly-over nation. you have the yanking back and forth. you is right and the left that are pulling them in one direction. but that divide is kind of scary because now politics, it's affecting whether or not we are going to defend ourselves against a major threat. >> journalist looks at how some school policies are having negative impact on black girls in schools. other institutions that are supposed to help are the place that is are i didn't i didn't i didn't -- criminal liezing black

we plan to bring to you live here at c-span2. while we wait to get under way, schedule for about 5 or ten minutes from now, interview on recent challenges for the donald trump campaign. >> the time magazine cover story out this week, also available online at the time.com, donald trump with this headline, meltdown. joining us on the phone is alex altman, washington correspondent. thank you very much for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to begin with your story begins, phone conversations which now have been a regular part of reince

priebus talks with donald trump. if you could read between the tea leaves, what was the tone or tenure of that conversation. >> i think priebus we wanted to communicate to trump last week was that the republican has a sweeping panic now about the direction of the trump campaign, trajectory of the polls and what he told trump was that the campaign was going in the wrong direction, they needed to turn it around and what is going on inside the rnc at the moment is they're trying to make deliberation in the next couple of weeks before early voting begins how they want to spend limited resources in terms of both cash and in terms of field staff and party machinery as they get here into the fall. there's a menu of options on the table and this is something that the rnc is going to have to make a determination about in the

next couple of weeks. >> we have all been dealing with the donald trump campaign. he does not have a large staff. how reliant has he been, will he be on the rnc moving ahead specially with the ground game heading toward election day? >> you bring up a very important part. obviously they have a joint fund raising agreement. trump more than any presidential nominee in recent memory has exclusively relied on the party to provide some of the campaign mechanics that other campaigns built in-house. he doesn't do much with data, he hasn't run a single television ad during the television election. the ads is not something the rnc will do, he's relying on the rnc to bootstrap what is a pretty staff out in the states. if the rnc decides that their determination is their best move for the good of the party is to help vulnerable incumbent house and senate republicans, that could really be a significant

blown to a campaign that doesn't have much of apparatus out there. >> as you point out in your piece, the unforced errors dating back to donald trump's comments about john mccain, megan kelly, various tweets and more recently his attack on the khan family and the summer slide as the polls continue to drop for donald trump. didn't the republicans see this coming? >> i think what is most interest to go me that so many did not see it coming in the sense that they believe that had he would recalibrate behavior once he got past primary. i think that what is begin to go dawn on republican who is held out hope that trump would sort of enact a more presidential posture is that he is who he is and, you know, the score settling, the rhetoric that characterizes so much of campaign and were successfully for him navigating throughout it is something that he clearly has carried over into the general election.

now, as you note, priebus as well as many other people are leaning on trump to try to temper his words, as trump put it to us go a little kinder, easier, nicer, trump has ensured that that's the style that he prefers. he thinks he might be sort of a natural at the attacking in the primary. there's sort of internal calculus playing in his head about the best path forward is. >> some republican donors are telling trump to take the gloves off. >> that's right. one thing we note in our story while you have a large fraction urging him to adopt a more conventional tone, to appeal to swing voters and independents, you still have donors such as many the ones that trump saw over the last weekend and some that are pressing to be harder against hillary, go after republican who is have left him at the at ar here. there's a push and pull and i think he is still trying

reconcile and he's trying to puzzle the best path forward. >> you talked on donald trump on tuesday for your time magazine piece, what did he tell you? >> well, he sort of fore we have heard the remark that appear to some to suggest that second amendment supporters might have a remedy to prevent hillary clinton appointing more liberal supreme court justices. i think the tone and content of donald trump is about that is playing out in real time and every step he takes in one direction seems to take two steps back the next day. >> host: on the day with record heat, history suggesting

an eight-point lead in august can melt like ice cream in the heat. for donald trump to turn this around, what you people say he needs to do besides what you said in terms of try to temper his tone? >> guest: tippy top republicans what they will say as he needs to stay message. he needs to keep his remarks were focused on hillary clinton, he needs to be tying hillary clinton to barack obama and keep the focus on his opponent. that is not a natural inclination for someone as publicity obsessed as donald trump. he seems to sort of be veering off-track day by day with an extraordinary series of misfires, the ones you mentioned, picking a fight with the family of a fallen army captain. even relitigating battles from the primaries with ted cruz. they would really like to see them really keep the focus on hillary clinton.

that is step number one. >> host: at time.com the reckoning donald trump sinking polls unending attacks and public blunders have the eop reconsider its strategy for november. the reporting of alex altman joining us. thank you for your time. >> guest: thanks very much. >> a live look at the greater richmond convention center in richmond, virginia. group called fight for $15 getting set to start its first ever nationwide convention here in richmond. workers from a number of industries to call for raising the minimum wage. it should get their way here in just a few moments. a little warming up the crowd before things get started, i can should get underway momentarily. live coverage russia thank you. while we wait for the event to get started heart of the discussion from today's "washington journal" on the impact of the affordable care

act on insurance providers. >> host: here to give us an update on insurance providers and the affordable care act is zachary with bloomberg. >> guest: we've seen the five biggest public yes health insurers all talk about how they are now losing money from selling plan to individuals under the affordable care act. it raises a big concern going into the laws before science season which starts november 1 about what prices people are going to pay for insurance when the decoder site up and what their options are going to be, whether they'll have a real nice of choice among different plans or whether they're just going have a few choices going into the fourth year of the new affordable care act.

>> host: why are they losing ari money? >> guest: it's a good question at a don't think we know the complete answer to it yet. he enters all say the population has turned out to be sicker than expected. people going to the doctor more, getting more procedures. some of this was expected as the affordable care act got off the ground but i think what we are seeing is the populations turned out to be sicker for longer than people expected. and also some of the young people, young and healthy people that they hoped would sign of having come into the markett quite as much as they had hoped. >> host: what are these large insurers saying they will do in response to this costing you more than initially thought? >> guest: so you've seen united health pretty much exit the market. in 2017 they are only going to sell affordable care act individual insurance plans in three states.

they were in 34 this year so that's a real big retreat. humana is also really scaling back quite a bit.ing at not have said they will extend to five new stage for next year. they have scrapped those plans and they are saying right now they're really evaluate how much they want to be in the 15 states with a curling do self-interest of the affordable care act. >> host: what does it mean for the american consumer, the patients and what does it mean for the consumer that's in the affordable care act any those who get their insurance through their employer? >> guest: so for folks to in the affordable care act right now, if you've got a plan from united health in one of the states they're exiting you probably get a letter, notification that your insurance is going to wait and come november 1 you have to pick a new plan.

for everybody else, even if your carrier testing in the market, people will need to watch how the plans are changing, what the rates are going to be for next year, whether they're going up. we've seen so brought estimates that rates might go something like 20% for next year which is quite a jump a lot of folks get subsidies in the affordable care act so that will help people still afford their coverage and it's going to vary based on each person situation, how much more or less than maybe next year. >> host: how do the subsidies work? >> guest: so for people under 400% of the federal poverty limit, so for a family of one under about $15,000, it goes up if you have a larger family, you will get subsidies to help you afford interest. if you make closer to the poverty level, 130% of poverty, twice the poverty level, you get

some pretty good subsidies to help you afford insurance and the deductibles. as you make more money the subsidies go away. for folks under about 138% of poverty, there's also the medicaid program.re again it's going to very state-by-state but there are subsidies that do help people afford these insurance plans. >> host: we wanted to reduce ree involved in the conversation and have them ask questions. this is how we divide the line. . if you are uninsured, (202) 748-8002. how is >> host: i was the administration responding to what the insurance companies are saying about leaving some of the states and the rates are likelyd to go up? >> guest: one thing the administration points out is that the law is that some real victories. there's something like 20 million people who haveio insurance because of the

affordable trek would not have otherwise had a. that's a real gain and it shouldn't be overlooked. the other thing to point out of course is the subsidies about eight into new by through the affordable care act exchanges to get subsidies so those are quite helpful to people to get them. they've talked some about taking some steps to improve the market, whether that's to do more advertising to get people to come in, to make some tactical changes to some of the regulations, to cut off some of the things that the insurers say lot of is really losing them a lot of money. they're taking some steps.hat there's -- their somewhat limited what they can do. there's an election coming up and, of course, ultimately what happens in this market in for the next years will depend on who is elected. >> host: the fourth sign up star trek before the election and then it ends after the next president takes over, is thatov

correct? >> guest: that's right. so november 1 the exchange is open for business. you can go and bite interest when starting november 1. the election the following week and the sign appeared runs past the end of the year. people are going to be signing up as this new administration is taking office. we could see some interesting shifts in the law potentially, depending on the presidentiall election and, of course, the: congressional election as a. >> host: larry enrichment texas uninsured, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i would just like to say that my employer under the affordable health care act has cut back hours. now everybody is working part time. now they have two shifts of people working part-time. now they have saved the cost of health insurance. now i cannot afford health insurance because my hours were

cut back so not going to be insured. i'm just waiting for the brown shirt jackboot irs obama hate group to communicate me down. because i don't make enough money to file taxes to pay their fines that they're supposedly not going to be charging me. so the only option is to put me in jail. >> host: larry, it's talk about the find to the fines increase over the years. >> guest: that's right. the fines increase over the last few years. anywhere from about five or $600 to a few percent of income. o one important note is that set up, if you don't pay taxes, yo' may not pay the fine because of how it is said that. i'm not a tax of pfizer but they've taken some steps so the folks were not paying taxes won't end up paying the fine. of course folks who are getting

are hoping to get some money back from the government may see that reduced by defying. >> host: gracie, tennessee, gets her insurance through her employer. good morning. >> caller: good morning. i would like to say there have been a couple of things thaten have affected us. i'm in the medical field. the first thing that affected us was that the premiums, though we were grandfathered in, went up 33% last year your and more year before that. also, the patients that we attend to have had to pay a higher deductibles, and though they did this so called free annual exams or for a woman, they still have to pay for their labs and that has been a shock to me because some of the labs cost up to $800 unexpectedly. and i have to deal with those phone calls daily because the patients thought they were going to get free well woman exams..

this aca has been a disaster in my opinion, not just for the employers. we have to pay more for the coverage of our employees and they have to pay higher deductibles and copayments and you don't get the coverage that they're used to getting. >> host: okay, zacharty tracer had heard similar stories? >> guest: one big criticism of the affordable care act is a loe of love gettin gain ventures ans the requirement that employers offer insurance that we beenan talking about as well. it has about as much to really lower cost of people, deductibles have continued to go up, premiums have continued to grow. this has been a big issue on the campaign trail as well. hillary clinton saying she wants more limits on how much peoplele would spin out of pocket. it is a real issue and a real pain point i think for a lot of people in terms of how much insurance cost, what it gives you, and whether health care is

truly still affordable. >> host: nancy in philadelphia, good morning to you. i caller: good morning. i have a question about my unitedhealthcare retiree insurance. how will that change in the future? >> guest: so i would encourage you to talk with the folks who provided the policy. i do want to make clear though that the fact that united is withdrawing from states for the affordable care act plans doesn't mean that they're leaving other markets. so if you have a plan from them or from humana, for instance, as retiree under medicare or through a workplace, those plans are not going to be affected by the news that we've been discussing. >> host: let's go back to the. the insurance companies would say we didn't expect this many

sick people or people use the health care system as long as they are in is getting expensive so they're leaving some states. what are they saying about changes to either the administration or congress could make that would make it a better financial situation for them? >> guest: one thing they're pushing for is to be allowed to charge higher rates. as we're talking about increasing rates 20% it right now regulators are saying how much he should be let insurers increase their rates for next year? the other thing is that they do want more, though some programs under the affordable care act designed to shift risk foror health insurance i just to thesk new markets and the insurers have said they haven't quite lived up to their promise. so they're asking for some changes to the programs, particularly around how these programs do with people who are really sick, they do have these

really high medical bills. the administration has said that is something their study they've talked about different ways of moving funds around among insurers. the thing that's been discussed a little is whether there's any appetite for some sort of increased government funding to go to insurance. we haven't seen a so far but, of course, that would help. >> host: michelle and fort gibson oklahoma. you get your insurance through the affordable care act? >> caller: yes, ma'am. i'm kind of lost it the overwhelming amount of workers comp places in retirees that have faded away and just gone unaccountable for people receiving the retirement, receive half of the retirementic and they're basically told this is a good enough and we will just take your money back but you're getting something out son just deal with it and go on. now our insurance is change again and guessing insurance

companies are leaving different states. of course, they are because they don't want to be accountable finally. >> guest: as i said earlier, i think state-by-state picture varies and it's one of the important things to remember about this, the situation in oklahoma is going to bego different from washington, d.c.n or from new york. i think for folks to understand what's going on in each local market, it's tough to encapsulate that on tv, but insurance brokers and assisters and things like that in every state that help people get insurance and sign up for the law as well. >> host: in every state to our regulars but each state has their own regulator of insurance companies that are in their state. is that the case even if the

state as part of the federal exchange? >> guest: that's right. so every state hasn't insurance regulator. the regulators do perform different functions in different states. some states said they want relatively little to do with the affordable care act, and some states have taken a really robust role in terms of running their own exchange, dealing wit, the rates that are set, telling insurers what they can akin to. it does vary by state but every state does have an insurance regulator who certainly, no matter what you pretty much will be keeping an eye on this market, just given the number of people that are affected. >> host: rich in virginia also gets insurance to the affordable care act. you were on the air. called just to correct you. i am paying for my son. >> host: okay. >> caller: he is in between employment, and in virginia the american care act doesn't work. you have to go to marketplace

and there's only one available offer, and thus blue cross blue shield.. when you are paying let's say 5500, or 6000 for the full year if you need that here, that's what you're having to fork out. then once you reach that level, then you don't get a copayment option. you have a deductible.host: d

and when you to start using a deductible, depending on what it is better for, it might only cover 25% of whatever the cost is. so you already forking out 55 or 6000 if you're in between employment. you are under that certain dollar amount for that before you can even get american care. so there so much deception on the information that is being presented. it's