assessing him, there are things that he could have done, and things that he couldn't do. >> one thing i know is that the issue of race guides the decision. if he knew what he did he would not into second term as president of the united states. but i will he be this with. and this and this is something i put in my next book. i know. [laughter] , shameless plug, it's out in january. but there was a president who integrated the u.s. military, and yes, truman, he integrated the us military and he said he could've been one of the grist presidents ever but the reason he wasn't considered a great president was because of that action alone. because of race. many people are saying this part

president would be considered one of the greatest of the united states, one of the only reasons is why, race. i will leave you with this. iu, think everyone of you to hold up your book. everyone. everyone of you.an thank you all for sitting in with this conversation. thank you politics politics and prose alyssa, brad, c-span, thank you so much. there are books for sale future books now we are signing right now. thank you all for coming out and having a civil discourse. >> you're watching book tv, television for serious readers. you can watch any program you see here online at a booktv.org. >> next on book tvs afterwards, and coulter make the case for wife, trump should be president. she is in she is in conversation with the daily callers, tucker carlson.

>> ann coulter, you are an author, columnist, and also a tv person. people know you from television. i think the assumption is to be people do not read their books. they have minions to do that. you're offended by this idea. >> i think it is an excellent assumption pretty much every case but my. a by the way few turned on to be last year you have not seen me. you don't see too much of. first they're usually right and i was i was better understood. i told new york times reporters who mostly hate me, but they have the bestsellers list, fiction, nonfiction, i want to separate section for others who have written their own books. that is one thing every new york times reporter agrees with me on because they are at least writers. they may be satanists but they are writers. my second book, my editor called me and said congratulations you are on the bestseller lists.

by the way you're the only person on the list to run her own book. >> host: how do you write your books? with the process quest marks. >> guest: usually i take a year off. this is unusual. it's faster. i think slander entries and i may have done a back to back years. that was an emergency. this this is an emergency. usually i take a year off and i have -- after i finish the book i'm moving out from, from one thing i sam never going to write another book. for. >> why do you say that? >> guest: at auto was done. it started with treason i thought that's everything i'd wanted to say. i've been wanting to write it since i was college and i've been writing to write slander since i was like 11. then i thought okay that's

everything i wanted to say but then something comes along and i think oh, i have to look this up mom interested in this. from darwinism, mccarthyism, the french revolution, and then i have the thesis for the i have the thesis for the book and i start reading, reading to see if there is a point to the thesis. i have dropped some ideas for books, effect that is how i ended up writing another book. that was going to be one chapter. i've already written a couple of chapters for that book it wasn't that it wasn't going to be a good idea just found so much more that mass conspiracy about what's happening with immigration to the american people. for a while i took time off and i read my formulated and then i start writing. i'm completely cut off from the world. people who know me, every time i am writing a book and this is not my 12, i will get an email from from someone i have become friendly with recently, at some point like a month and i'm sorry, have i done something to offend you. are you mad at me? my friends who know me knows that she's writing a book do not

expect her to email. >> you don't talk to anybody? >> i have a couple of talking partner. >> who are they. >> one of whom you know, i cannot tell. >> host: do you run your story ideas by them, d7 things that you're working on. >> guest: just to chat. i'm trying to think ever force, i guess there are about three. >> host: what makes a good chit chat partner? >> guest: if i can read conversation around something i'm writing about, unfortunately with all of on that is very difficult to do. i'll have to listen to 20 minutes on him calling me or repot appliance repair man before i can work the conversation to whatever trump said that day or whatever it is i want to talk about. a lot of it is talking ideas out when i can get to that part of the conversation. that is is fun and that gets me going. but do i ever get them to have

me read portions of it, that's way harder. a lot of kicking and screaming was really a noise me. >> host: do you like the process of writing a book question book? >> guest: i love it. i like tv too but and i like radio and speeches, and asa never be able to remember wished i'd like more, more, to be, writing, which of these. and when i was writing it was either a deb also i don't have to wake up to an alarm clock. and luckily i think that's why it's fun is because i get bored easily so i only read about stuff and write about stuff that is interesting. the french revolution is really interesting so it was totally fun.

it is not an assignment. nobody is saying that you must write about the french revolution i just read all this fun stuff and i love the research part of it. i love love cracking down how the media is hiding stuff, not only the media but the government. hiding true true and important information from us about immigration. and obviously the trump book which is unusual in a few ways compared to my other books. most of that research was watching trump. >> host: so you think this out quickly. >> guest: welcome i had the idea in january and i was pretty pretty sure trump is going to be the nominee. we started talking about it. the january before i probably thought of trump what others thought about it with that rapist speech. but still the primaries were going on in even as i was talk about it with my age and i forget host talk about it with publishers. i had the idea and various

people seem to like the idea. i cannot really seriously push myself to start writing it until ted cruz conceded, whatever that was. >> host: april. >> host: yes, that's is a fast turnaround so there are some heirs. >> host: how long did it take #. >> guest: then i turned it in, maybe a month ago. april till may, june, july, were in, were in august now. that actually seems like a long time. i can do that on one hand. >> host: what is this book about? >> guest: i'm always the worst at describing my books. >> host: in trump we trust. >> guest: e pluribus unum awesome. i do think, the thing that i trust him on is his basic

philosophy of putting america first. on trade, immigration, on wars. he has made so many mistakes. i mean little mistakes. he back tracks and gets back on. but when the entire media and i mean the entire media rose up to crush him after that mexican rapist speech, it took me two weeks to believe that he is not good to back down. i think it took me longer than that. i started e-mailing and every once in a while i would send a point you might want to mention, like him as he. for probably six months while we can figure out how it was, however many points i had, one would always be don't let him back down on immigration. i think it was after the muslim ban i finally said okay i think he's not backing down. now i believe you. >> host: now he appears to be a little bit. >> guest: not really. i'm annoyed but it's a rhetorical thing. i never thought deportation was

going to be an humane. he is responded to media character sure. i wish he would phrase it differently. not say softening, and allowing the media to go crazy. and highlight this, or getting a wall, were going to be able to do our job. we'll have a major cutback on muslim immigration and as for what is going to happen for the law abiding, with the children, illegal immigrants, why doesn't he just say and by the way everything i've just said is something that i have not been under other presidents, not jeff, rubio, walker, probably not romney. we are 8,000,000 miles ahead of anything i have ever imagined what happened in my lifetime, even with that. but why doesn't he just say about what is going to happen with the illegals, the point is nobody has a right to

be in this country illegally. we as america will decide whether it is good for america whether you stay or go. it will be determined on the basis of what is in this country's best interest. not what is in the best interest of someone who is not american. >> host: how do you think a statement like that would be received? >> guest: fine. >> host: how with the present or for that? >> guest: it's softening. >> host: i guess i want to get to the question, so you live in an affluence code and so presumably most of your neighbors are anti-trump, a lot of people you know the most of your life. most people are probably in tight trump and what is it that says people on edge? >> guest: washington is much worse than any other place. >> host: the most anti-trump place. >> guest: oh my gosh, it's existential existential for washington. it's like there's something in the water.

i know to none, two people were not trump this trump hysterics and like it george ripper in doctor strangelove there drinking gray now call because there something going on in this town. first of all, and two of the main cities i'm in new york city and l.a., i would say that i have of approximately 30 of my top-tier and second-tier friends, immediately all but one were 100% pro trump. that is both both the new york and l.a. look, to pair paraphrase donald trump, -- i'm talking about smart, highly educated people, instantly pro trump. only one in each city was antitrust. in. in washington it was exactly the reverse. and then, and other fancy

locales will i will tell you i spent christmas in palm beach, and walking around at christmas time we had seen the polls and because i know some of the pro trump first yet, that town was 100% i would say more jab than rubio, but they were were all wandering around shellshocked saying i don't understand it. we were all for jab, the hispanic is all for trump. >> host: so here you have the richest guy ever to run for president in which people don't like him, what you think that is? >> guest: i think it is less the rich, my experience does happen to be true admittedly is anecdotal. i think the washington versus palm beach, beverly hills, manhattan actually tells us a lot. a lot of the rich people, there are two categories we'll find out which ones are patriots and which ones just wanted cheap labor and want to be locus on

the america and then move onto the next country. we are finding out right now. but i think but i think some of them are of the political are perfectly lovely people, they want to republican to win, they think is better for the country, and they may have just been snowed by campaign consultants who say okay, we have to get job bizarrely shot. we. we have to give me a million dollars for jab. they're busy making millions of dollars so they think okay already checked for jab. while trump has shown the wizard of oz pull back the curtain, now they they know why am i wasting money on these idiots like stuart stephen and mike murphy for, they don't know their heads from the hole in the ground. >> host: so why does the press hate him so very much? >> host: here you have a candidate who says and i think there are a lot of reasons to be concerned about trump, but here you have a candidate who says i'm here to represent the middle

class people without a voice, gastric system in traditional and traditionally think of the press has been a populist institution on behalf of the people against the powerful. that is what they tell themselves and the rest of us. yet almost to a person they have come out against trump and the various sort of way. what is that about? >> guest: part of it is what we're just describing. who benefits from not only illegal immigration but a lot of low-wage legal immigration. wealthy people people do. they have cheap gardeners, cheap mates, the gardeners and the maids do not live in their neighborhoods, they live out in the suburbs. so. so it is other people's emergency rooms that are being bankrupted. it it is other people schools that cannot have pageants anymore because they're spending all of their money on english as a second language classes. the media is part of that elite which is just utterly self-centered, self-interested force force in the middle class to subsidize their cheap labor.

but the other part of it is and that is the political part which is probably what drives them the most crazy, the left was just on the verge of total -- it started with sending kennedy in 1965 immigration at, obama put it into overdrive. clinton started to put it in overdrive but woe, obama left clinton in the test with all of the. >> host: bush and slow down much >> guest: but with obama he's wine the man from central america and putting them come i think they've written about it i know i've read various articles about putting all of these third world immigrants in the states they need. so the long-term plan of the kennedy democrats was, over time we bring in a million immigrants per year, 90% of the for third world, 80% for the democrats, democrats, 50 years we'll have an unbeatable majority. suddenly they're looking at it next year.

they're on the verge, the cusp the cusp of winning and along comes trump. and so he's going to shut it down. >> host: so it sounds like you're making an argument to save you down what makes trump so loathsome to the people in power it's his opposition to immigration. if you if you narrow down what makes it so it appealing to others, is the opinion on immigrations. so it's on immigration. >> guest: i think so. i think immigration is the great unifier. >> guest: factoring in the fact that you wrote a book on immigration and you have it online, do you think think there is evidence that this is what it's really about. if your people on television say the exit polls hotels that and don't suggest that it's number one a people's party list. >> guest: whenever they say that i look at what people do say as their number one issue. it's always things like jobs, terrorism, cultural changes.

they're all for immigration and also americans are nice people. i think they have the sense, specially with the media telling them this that if they say it's immigration it's as if they're saying something about immigrants. they are nice people, we like like immigrants. and trump always says, he loves hispanics. that is my favorite tweet of all the things that he has done other than the mexican rapist is speech. >> host: you like the taco bell speech? >> guest: that was making for multiculturalism. it. it was hilarious. i screamed. i love hispanics. >> host: having a talk about salad and trump's house. >> guest: it sounds like you at appreciate the performance art element. i don't think that's i people are voting for him but he is very funny. he is very politically correct.

there is a big appeal. >> host: you know trump and you been following this closely. what percentage would you have the top of your head is his statements are ironic, sarcastic, designed for shock value to amuse him, like when he says mccain got captured and got a metal and's a lot of people got captured where their metals was that serious? >> guest: i read about it in the book at one point. i think that was lied about. he was angry and lashing out and he deserved to be angry and lashing out. i read about that as well as the attack on the disabled reporter. i reporter. i would not say either of them were more ironic or sarcastic. but i think he was there both lied about any i think he was justified in both cases. if you take the mccain case, these poor arizonans they have been so overwhelmed with the illegal immigration, with girls

being right, kettles been slaughter, fences knocked down, they have been overwhelmed with illegal immigration begging the federal government to do something. the do something. the federal government will not do anything. they have that famous, as the media calls it the papers please law which required of immigrants since 1940s, i guess the we been living in a nazi state sense 1940 they're required to carry their papers on them. so that was attacked by all of the bush people as unconstitutional and so outrageous that if the law was in arizona stateroom and a policeman if they are in the process of arresting someone and they suspect them to be an illegal alien, mass for his immigration papers. and all my gosh, do you remember how that was, it's by the

supreme court, did you ever get a footnote by whatever happened with that with lindsey graham, the, the big constitutional scholar lindsey graham called unconstitutional. it was written by chris kovach, it was constitutional. after all of that, all of the smearing, trump goes to do his first event after the mexican rapist speech in arizona, they have just shut down the whole venue. they're like 20,000 people, thousand people, they have to rent a stadium. the day after it happened or maybe that it was happening, trump goes trump goes to the new yorker so he can call them crazy. the mac american people who showed up at the trump rally. they're going to call these lovely americans concerned about illegal immigration to call them crazies and that is what trump was angry about. he called mccain a dummy is a he graduated second from his classroom annapolis. then when then when he was being interviewed by franklin were wherever. >> host: the poster. >> guest: he raises with donald trump was that presidential to

call senator john mccain a dummy quest mark is a war hero. so trump starts to explain what he was explaining. he have this event and a score of these people crazies. he says i know crazy, these people were not crazy they were lovely, decent americans. the minute trump explaining this, he gets interrupted to say but he is a war hero, he's a war hero. and that is when trump said or he is not a war hero, he got captured. i like people who were not captured. or perhaps it was a war hero. and then he goes on. toes just a just a flash of anger and then, it was not well not again, but it's in the book, when trump attacks, he attacks the powerful on behalf of decent, lone suffering americans who are ridiculed and smeared at in the media all of the time.

he was attacking on behalf of the slice americans were called crazy by john mccain. and look he took it back in the next sentence. >> host: so mccain is a senior center powerful, hard hard to say that about the con family, powerful. >> guest: fair point. i think it's about time the democrats put it into the human shield practice. they were not standing out there just to say that we are muslim family. i want to honor my son here, he was being sent out to claim to the american people that our constitution requires us to keep dumping more and more muslim americans of the country. while i think americans have the right to dispute that. if you're going to send out someone we are not allowed to respond to then that kinda shuts the debate down. but this is what the left does. when i wrote about wrote about in godless with the jersey girls. they have these policy proposals and you attack them and then but hundreds died and then why do you have someone else make the argument then.

sit attempting to make the argument. don't send out an angry muslim that we are not allowed to respond to wave in our constitution at us and claiming absurdly that we have to keep admitting muslim americans. i think most americans don't know this, we have we have admitted more muslim americans after 9/11 them before. >> host: of course. >> guest: more immigrants are muslim countries than immigrants from the entire british aisle. after san bernadino, boston marathon, orlando, this is an important public policy that i think americans have the right to discuss. democrats are going to find some more vent to send out their argument because you cannot respond. >> host: to what extent does the american have influence over the immigration policy. >> guest: a lot this november.

>> host: is there polling on this quest mark as their polling on the level of knowledge the average person had on what was coming and what are the numbers for the selection? >> guest: it is a lot more prominent now, thank you donald trump. >> host: i don't remember this being a public debate. >> guest: no. in fact in my book eyesight trump's very first interview after the mexican rapist speech with the bill o'reilly, first question, isis. what are you going to do about isis and then he went to syria, iran, the muslim brotherhood, he probably got into russia in the ukraine. into russia and the ukraine. not one question on immigration. one month later o'reilly is introducing john saying illegal immigration is not being dealt with in this country and that impart is what has stopped donald trump to the top of the polls. here he is with 20,000 people, to israeli. >> it if you care about the decision, aren't you concerned that trump, whose instincts and impulses you agree with was got to be in the low end of the articulate scale on this question might wind wind up

discrediting the ideas. >> guest: i was worried about that at first. but no, i mean you take the rough with the smooth. he has this boisterous personality that attracts a lot of people. people start listening because they want to be entertained. he is very entertaining. very entertaining. you are listening to him. people are driving five and six hours to go here. probably a lot of them were not going because they thought he believed everything i have ever wanted and i want to make him president. some of them, at least in part, i think at least probably a lot of unlike the mexican rapist speech as much as i do, but some were going because they know he is entertaining. but then you're there in your hear him and

you're laughing and having a good time. it's funnier than listening to a standup it's funnier than listening to a standup comedian a lot of the time. and that it hits you, wait, i agree i agree with this guy. he is making some good points. >> host: i think that is clearly happened not a big scale. the question is, if he loses what happens? so the victors write the history, the losers right the unread memoirs. so as in california, 20 years later people have a completely distorted view of what happened. so if trump loses, what the message from everyone a washington, say this is what happens when you run immigration, the hateful subject inherently. never do that again. shut up and obey. >> guest: i don't think so and i don't think it will matter. because, and i don't will get to the i don't think so first, or second. if trump loses, the countries finish. what you you do, i do, fox news, talk radio, i guess you can still do your stuff but the countries finished. spee1 body say that qwest might. >> guest: because hillary is dead. she is granting amnesty that's 11 milling, probably 30

or 30 or 40 million. maybe as many as 50 or 60 million. >> host: where you get your numbers? >> guest: it's in my last book. >> guest: we been saying 11,000,000 you should be suspicion. we've been we've been here in 11 million for more than a decade now. and all of the estimate say 11,000,000 are based on the census which asked people are you here legally. and many people thought that perhaps having struggled across the desert, risk death, broken, broken many lost, stolen id to get here, illegal immigrants might not be going out government surveys accurately. so there's analyst for advising people about something important, their money. they said this is insane, we cannot trust any of these. and they all come to the same 11,000,000 because they are all using the census report. they're starting with the same bad input. so what the two analysts looked at well a lot of things, two of the big things were remittances of money back to mexico and they went to look at illegal alien

hotspots where it's known that there are illegal aliens in certain towns in jersey and other places. they looked at school enrollments in housing permits. among other things, but it was a massive intensive study and on the basis of that they determined, i think it was 20 million and this is more than one decade ago, and then there are these two i think to famous investigative group porters who won pulitzer prizes, they spent a year investigating illegal immigration a decade ago a year after the report. there at at the border and interviewing people. border patrol. one year they spent doing this and the estimated that 3,000,000 illegal aliens were coming in per year. so if you start with 20 million and then you assume it's only one third of that 3,000,000 that were coming up the next 1010 years, we are already at 30 million.

>> host: so then we are hovering a little less than 10% of the published at that point. >> host: oh yes. it may seem strange in the northeast, that does not seem strange at all in the southwest. >> host: so the first reason is illegally -- >> guest: that's it, democracy committing suicide. hillary wants to quadruple the number of muslim refugees. i think a lot of media say that's great, if hillary is elected we are going to make more money. well, know if you can't win a game anymore. as people how interested they are in local, los angeles politics. not that interested anymore. when all you you do is lose, lose, and lose, so i do think

the country is over. sorry for those of you with children, those of you who need jobs or those of you came here because he wanted to live in america. it is going to be over. john adams at all democracy commit suicide and if hillary is elected, this democracy is committing suicide but this democracy is committing suicide. i don't think there's any point in politics i'll start writing mystery. >> host: while the country become at that point? >> guest: brazil. tower babel, california. will happen is the president of indonesia set i think in and interviewed about a decade ago is a somewhat famous quote among the immigration restriction is like myself. . .

as magnificent a country and we can't assimilate anyone in the numbers we are taking them in. why are we even try into assimilate them to cause it is about cheap labor and the votes for the democrats. >> host: after the last presidential election there was ordered by the committee. the central conclusion was the republican party needs to become more competitive among these groups and broaden its appeal. as you know instead of doing that, we got donald trump. >> they are thrown out of the party and this is the greatest thing he did, addition and subtraction, get rid of these consultants. >> host: why is the idea crazy? as you said, the 65 immigration act the country is

demographically different from what it was if you are one of the two political parties why don't you increase your appeal? >> guest: i think donald trump is increasing the appeal to hispanics and african-americans. the problem is they are idiots just like the democrats but not as much. we will give you an amnesty and affirmative action to make up for slavery and jim crow. now harvard is doing its quota with the children of the foreign diplomats, dictators, warlords. african-americans are losing out to those people. it's madness that we have affirmative action set up.

>> host: isn't it our strength? >> guest: that's what general hayden said after -- no, it was the general after the shooting said the real tragedy in all of this would be if we gave up our diversity. this is how they have been so successful. >> host: you reject that to maintain their status as the main parties to appeal? >> guest: i think trump is doing it in a way that the republican party, the new, fresh republican party. donald trump is doing it by saying i'm going to bring jobs back. what i hated about the old party, and i've never seen it so clearly, they shouldn't be

acknowledging this ethnic identity politics. why should they acknowledge what by raza they are americans, they are happy. they like a little less competition from the cheaply or coming in. that's why he's just making fun of the whole identifying people as an ethnic group. >> host: it's interesting you say that. when he says the african american voter voters let me cos he playing the same game? >> guest: african-american voters do love him and -- >> host: perhaps it's something i don't but as to that one person in the margin of error occurre her it is possiblt

least 2% of people pretending to be african-american so they can be ten in the poll. it does seem low i will admit. i don't believe this poll. the black turnout will be down or get more of the vote to ban any republicans inch richard nixon. i think he does have an appeal on the issue of immigration. we don't want to bring illegal immigrants to take jobs from the nativeborn. if your family has been here for 400 years here's what's interesting you are describing the republican party that has been transformed ideologically

because he believes different things than from six months ago. why hasn't trump, there are few people around him building the intellectual framework for the new political movement. they lost by this massive margin. >> host: dot a lot of people thought deeply about what he said and where are those people? >> guest: that was the next question. it's kind of pointless to talk about but no, i don't think the ideas will be discredited when

you have paul ryan coming out about the transpacific partnership a day before his primary after getting a standing ovation from the coke brothers saying we are going to push this through. when you have hillary being protested in her own convention, and god bless those i must say it wasn't just because they were protesting hillary. they were articulate. two of them talked about the transpacific partnership. that is the reason. it's not just i hate the rich. now we have hillary pretending she opposes the theme. i don't know how much this counts but at least politicians are acknowledging what's popular

when they know what they need to lie to the voters about. >> host: you would think it shakes up to its foundations and you would see a wave of magazine pieces and the books. do you fear some people maybe even including you are reading into the idea is that the ideaso see when perhaps that isn't what he means? >> guest: he has been a businessman this whole week. we've been through this before in the middle of the debate he came out for the work, the next day he issues another famous -- >> host: ronald reagan would wod have sai sent you know what, mae it isn't a big idea. on his core issue, he knew what

he thought like waking up in bed sleeping and asking. he knew what he thought. >> guest: they have different advantages and different disadvantages. in the world of ideas, ronald reagan was in the world of ideas. so you could wake him up from a dead sleep and know the details. you could wake up donald trump and he would know whose side he's on. the american working class. that is one thing his life has always been for the working class trade deals. more recently they figured out before the campaign don't think low-wage workers were hurting the middle class. it's absolutely solid and you could totally throw glass on him in the middle of the night and they would say they shouldn't be dying in the middle east right now.

they shouldn't be renegotiated for years. he was better on the trade deals. >> host: [inaudible] >> guest: no. i was a big supporter than donald rumsfeld. personally, i stand by it. we didn't have these individual terrorist attacks back then. it's really picked up since we haven't been there. i do think it was important for a lot of reasons. i always thought the weapons of mass destruction's was because he's sitting on all this ordeal and he sheltered from the first world trade center, they get away and where do they end up? he's funding the families of suicide bombers.

i think he was trying to get weapons of mass distraction. we found he attempted to assassinate a former president of the united states and it was an educated populace led by the crazy leader. it's always one or the other. either you have a crazy leader basically with the same people or you have a same leader with insane people. you go with the ones that are basically pro-western and literate. that was iraq and they were waving their fingers and it was great. but then i put the blame on barack obama for pulling out every single one. he had to tur turn victory intoa debate. but having said that, whether i am right or the people that said this is doomed to failure including donald trump and some

of my friends including chris matthews, at this point he couldn't do it again. that is water under the bridge. we could argue whether that was failure or obama's fault. why would we do it again? all these people i thought when i analyze, i've been asking them at dinner for a few months now. i think one or two of my friends were from the iraq war from the beginning because they said they were ungrateful swine that would inevitably be a disaster. perhaps they made a point. >> host: so your position is that they are open for debate. >> guest: we are looking at

these warmongers and think of the things they are accusing us of laughing about. part of it is the same thing with the campaign consultants. it's the only game they know. >> host: if donald trump wins, what happens? >> guest: life would be grand. >> host: they don't judge him on his issues or temperament but on the grounds that he's a threat to the country, a fascist authoritarian takeover. sincerely a lot of people feel that way. so could those people accept him as a legitimat legitimate presi? >> guest: another moot point is the leaving of this will be a fascist takeover --

>> host: do you think they believe that? >> guest: i think they know they are losing their power. they have to do with marco rubio tells of steel worker. and prove your education. go back to school. the political consultant should do that. they don't need these phony conservatives. marco rubio has a plan to further your education. you just have to adapt the way they are telling these workers you have to adapt to the changing economy. >> host: so you're not concerned that he would feel like an actual threat during the country we are not acknowledging the authority, whatever that means. >> host: it would be hysterical and i would enjoy it. >> host: do you think that he is responsible for bringing those people over? >> guest: if they say he's

adolph hitler and a some point they have to see he's not a fascist and will negotiate the trade deals i want manufacturing to come back to this country. i think that it is really awful what has been done in the religion of free trade. we used to have 20 million manufacturing jobs. we don't make anything in the country anymore. think about all the jobs it will create in rebuilding infrastructure. it's nothing but renegotiating the trade deals in the law, it's a pretty severe damper. he would be the greatest president since george washington if he does nothing else.

>> host: do you think that he's interested in running the country? >> guest: yes. >> host: so it isn't simply about winning. >> guest: i think he is a genuine patriot who loves the country. if you looked around and saw so many things going on in that opening speech he said something to the affect its going to be too late and it's going to be unsalvageable. he can fix it. the rest of them can't. just to get back and then you can fight about everything else. i dedicated the book because i am taking the dedication back but this is the first time in his life he will vote republic republican. we went to a party when i was in la about a month ago in laguna beach and there were always nice republicans. they came out and said to me

he's a liberal democrat. democrat. guess thayes but he's with us on immigration. >> they don't like to admit that everything is changing in america at pretty high speed. what have you re-examined? >> guest: you probably said you always knew. i thought they really did care about the working class and not just the donors and business roundtable. in a way there are two things. can we learn the lesson from that number to was when i was a

kid i was in law school. a lot of us were for ronald reagan. a lot of them suddenly came to washington and there was all this young blood in washington and it seemed like it was going to be a great thing because the permanent bureaucracy and think tanks and everyone in the city was liberal democrat and then republicans would come in working in the executive branch and everyone else in the city working against them. i think that has turned out to be a curse because i think they have -- it has become in and of itself, the organization, the

territorial republican party. >> host: we have all these conservative thin think tanks consuming billions of dollars over decades and the net result is a country that's more conservative than it was. we do have a point. because they have a structural incentive to keep things exactly the same. it is a fair point. ronald reagan brought thousands of young people to washington. at least they know we will all go home. this is your addition by subtraction. >> if i don't when it's okay.

i'm going to go on a long vacation. did it occur to you that maybe that might be offensive to people who are sincerely concerned about a hillary presidency and watch them do the other contenders get the job. >> i think he wants to be present and save the country. it shows you the power of propaganda and the power of the press. just a month ago a friend of a friend said to me completely seriously you really think he wants to be president? at this point probably over time hundreds of millions of dollars he works harder than any human i've ever seen. maybe it is going to be fun for a few weeks.

but yes he wants to be president and fix the countr country and e thing that does run through his life is absolute patriotism and love for this country. i'm not worried about the details. >> host: what about the chief policy advisor from senator sessions? had this affected your friendships? >> guest: i think i only lost one friend. he happened to be a friend all of my other friends hated so what kind of turnout to be a relief. >> host: what happened to the friendship? >> guest: he sent me a snippy e-mail asking me not to e-mail him again. he was an hysterical anti-trump. >> host: why? >> guest: i do not know. it's kind of a party man because

he ihe's not a consultant or pollster but sometimes people can get their heels in and of that ithatis an unfortunate this happened this time around. i don't know if you remember i was a big fan of romney until trump came along. rick perry and even herman cain, all of them, add newt gingrich, they would endorse anybody but mitt romney. for pete's sake, the most lovely, sweet, elegant person. imagine how they feel about trump.

>> host: it seemed was like ted cruz. they disliked him as a person i noticed. >> guest: i think it is most is directed towards trump. ted cruz is a different place he's gone since kindergarten, the senate. he keeps leading about it and now we see why. >> host: why not explain precisely what he thinks of the public input for the support to affirm, why not just -- it has always been the way to tell you what they really think. you can't misinterpret it. >> guest: he is giving some speeches. >> host: here's what i would do if elected. >> guest: he has the paper and talks a lot about it. the issue is he had one scheduled and now it's been

unscheduled. it's driving the supporters out of their mind. how many transgender do you think there are in america? a thousand, a dozen? there are more transgender in america than there are those worrying about the comfort and security of people who've entered the country illegally. why are we spending any time discussing this? why not make cars in china now and each of the workers seeking white-collar jobs. >> one of the reasons perhaps he continues a conversation posed

to him and he sees it turned back to himself. you don't want to run a campaign on what you can do or take the money from. you want to run a campaign that is a referendum on the character and so if you are donald trump y. but you continue to keep that conversation a life? why would you help hillary clinton by talking about your self -- >> guest: >> host: if i'm elected this is what america will look like. >> guest: the clothes that we buy in america made america are 3%. that's the whole point he wants to change it so that your ties will be made here.

>> host: when you watch them on television and you think he goes off message and i'm sure you feel the way, do you call people on his campaign -- >> no, i tweet. >> host: do you think he listens? >> guest: sometimes a full-fledged clarification like after the visa debate, he absolutely listens and is a quick study. he is going in the direction we want to go. they kept attacking him for no policy specifics. and one of the things i learned from my longest editor he said i like to make a statement and

then have 20 examples. so he would cut the other 17 examples. i usually don't i g got to the chapter and said we are getting 50 examplewere getting50 examplu want them or not. and it's all this policy i interspersed with we know when the media could get ahola hold of an internet modemt would allow him to. but it gets to the point i want to go to the moon. what is your policy on going to the moon. >> the direction is what we want. he says he's going to go in that direction. it's the same thing i understood the first line he said we have to temporarily suspend a legal immigration until we can find out what is going on.

on. i understood immediately and i didn't take it to the original 17 steps many in the media did. does that mean we hav have to bd kinbanking abdullah of jordan? we explain these things and then what we will do is ban them from the terrorism producing countries. that's kind of what i figured he meant. >> host: has he read the book and do you think that he agrees with this? ..

pataki gold either. can we get beyond that? just build a wall. >> host: ann coulter ladies and gentlemen, the book, in trumps we trust. each purpose of awesome. thank you. >> guest: thank you.