and i think the way to kind of try to bridge that disconnect is have a conversation towards work to empower women and children quite recently. it's difficult. universities have an easier time raising money to build a new stadium than organizations that are really serving. your ashes of what is but. people connect with the idea of seeing their name on the doorway into the water fountains as part of the basketball court, but not with sending money, even across town, let alone overseas to work on things that nobody would want to talk about. they are not pretty issues.

they are not proper table conversations, a lot of the time. you raised the point about pornography, this isn't the kind of thing they kind of thing that it comes to coastal for for some people in their own vices, or maybe it's just something they want to pretend doesn't happen in the town. a lot of times it might be harder for domestic organizations to coalesce a community towards their goals because it's easier to say that happens in thailand but not here in atlanta. it's a little bit different but it's really not that different. getting people to step out of their comfort zones, whether it's taking a tour of different part of town or different, neighboring state, let alone if you go overseas, do you really want to take time off the beach to go look at an orphanage and see what the struggles are and how you can help. sometimes it's as simple as $20 that a girl needs a birth

certificate so she can enroll in school. and that $20 that you would've spent into a three-day that starbucks could go along way towards allowing someone's whole entire life outlook two different. >> i think it's very much connected to the now. i look at our movement of where we've come from since 2007. we started because of an injustice for a little girl who was 10 years old. we shared the record much like the did in the civil rights era of the 60s with everyone we could come in contact with come into your become our jobs. and then they routed with us, and then there were hundreds of us speaking on behalf of the child was once voiceless. then we took a voice immigrant to legislators and we said laws must be changed, and it wasn't just three or four. there were thousands of us across the state of georgia. that moved us to work in concert

with people we would not normally work in concert with. we worked in concert with men and republicans and democrats and independents, and people who didn't think like us but neither was any justice, and together we could do something that would change this state and the dignity of those children being bought and sold in our community. that materialized on may 5, 2015, with the governor signing a historic safe harbor rachels law into act. that's a tricky correlation back to the '60s and the civil rights movement. we took a page book because we didn't have to be -- [applause] and when that happened on may 5, 2015, i looked at the young woman who that bill was now named after, and it was one of those moments in history for me

because across the nation i can say this because i have done this work across the nation. looked people, dismissed girls of color and black girls. and talk about this issue of sex trafficking as it is was there -- therefore they do not matter. we are entitled to do what we want with them because they do not matter. they are insignificant and invisible, and sincerely voices anadded never get a place at the table. so on may 5, 2015, when that bill, when the governor signed the safe harbor rachel's law into act was named after young african-american girl. it's the only build an america named after a living african-american woman. huge. [applause] we didn't reinvent. we just had this modern-day slavery what we call it, which

is what our president called it, that we are dealing with. we deal with the because these are our children in our state and in our country. my youngest baby that was called, that i had a call-in with seven years of age. so for us to look only overseas is unacceptable when we have things going on your own backyard. so the been is very much the part of the now. [applause] >> i wonder if you all to talk about social media and and how this has impacted the work that you do, facilitated it, is there something social media to make sure it's more difficult? what's the net balance? >> i'm struggling with that right now. i'm almost hesitant to answer this question because i can't claim to be immersed enough in

social media to get it quite right. at the same time i'm seeing some trouble signs. you asked the question a moment ago with regard to the applicability or the transfer, my words, not yours, of some previous period of struggle or movement. and so i think that there's some aspects of movement that belong to a particular point in history that stays there. although i agree with the point, you can apply some aspects to the challenges that present themselves, especially when it is a result of the clear understanding of the conditions on the ground, the extent to which those actual mechanisms apply. what i'm afraid of is, and almost uncritical assumption that social media has replaced those previous mechanisms without jesus discussion, again,

what are the conditions were trying to grapple with and what other goals we are trying to achieve, what realities are we trying to transform the answers to these questions determined the instruments and the mechanisms. it's sort of like i had a conversation with a student of mine and he help clarify it what i'm struggling with, whether you're cooking with an old would still operating with a microwave, which symbolizes increase in technology, you still have to know how to cook. the goal is still to immerse oneself. the goal is not to write a to use the mic with just for the sake of using a bike ride, technology. it becomes niched with. i'm afraid if we're not careful, and begin this is a humbling comment because i have not immerse myself in it yet or not to text and e-mail but that's about it. i'm struggling with the twitter. [laughter]

but that's my concern. i don't want is to gravitate towards what you see because it's there and that of fingertips literally. there's still, depending on the concrete, we have to make those decisions, proper instance based on round and i'm not sure if where having his conversations. maybe it's our challenge in the transfer of technology and generational transfer of movement we have a conversation and maybe it's our fault or previous generations fault for not having this dialogue with our young people and those who go into social media in the context of moving. maybe they're just reaching out and grabbing what's there in the absence of that discussion. i still think we have had that discussion to otherwise we will be repeating ourselves. >> the nice thing is it us issues that might not be picked up, for example, by the mainstream news outlets to be discussed. that's the biggest impact i see

a special on these issues, like nobody wants to talk about. if you turn on the news all feel really good about his donald trump and hillary clinton, and if you're like me sometimes you just want to put that on mute and it's easier to go over to social media and see what else is happening in the world and what else is happening in our state that is not being covered because it's not getting as many ratings. it puts the news outlet and the power of people and activists. enter your plan, younger people which cars and whenever you change which i'll -- without those. >> i agree that we have to know what it is we're after so that we can decide how to use the tools available. i think this is were we may be lost. because the norms and the ideas of who are we is i think confused. so there was a video yesterday

saying fdr mastered the radio and got the public. jfk mastered the tv and got the public. donald trump has mastered social media, and is accelerating with using this. it was a really good point out that because i think there's a caution that we can't dismiss it, we can't dismiss the power. we know that it is an daesh and these groups are using it very effectively so we can't be naïve about it. we have to know what, understand it and use it but i think we get to understand the civil rights movement succeeded because they had a strategy. they had meetings. they had people meeting face-to-face. tuesday they were doing this to sunday through doing that and people were all in. this is the part i think we get lazy. we send out a tweet or, and even the arab spring, the facebook revolution, well, sort of

something has to accompany this use of as i told you. we have to be thinking together about strategy. what is our goal and how do we get there. it can be and accelerate for good or ill. we better figure how to use it for good because if we don't people are using it for ill. [applause] >> we are talking about the future of the movement that i want to just, i guess ask a foundational question, what about this work kind of intangible things? what about this work make you hopeful, trying to appeal to people say this is what you should do? what did you that hope that change and progress can be made? >> icefield every day when i look in my girl's eyes. i see it in the girl who is being sold on the cheshire

bridge two years ago described the who just graduated with a double major. i see when microsoft started at mercer at kennesaw state university. i see what goes when divided to the united nations to speak before women all over the world, the globe. they stand up there and they do not go into victimization but they go in their power. i see that hope. i see that hope when my girl says to me i did not right this time but i will do it right next time. i'm not giving up. i see it when we rescued 13 boys and they said thank you for risking us, even though we are not a girl, but you saw us. i see it when we go to the polls this november on november 8 and we have the opportunity to vote for senate resolution seven, the funding mechanism, a constitutional amendment in georgia that will fund the

services and resources for children who have been victims of human sex trafficking that's hope for me. is hope for me when my baby girl says i have a job, and no one is taking me out anymore. and when the fbi says there's something different about your girls. we have taken ghost of a program. different about the girls that have come through living water. they hold their heads a little different. they stand a little taller. they don't get it all right, none of us do, but they keep trying to there's something that gives me hope about that. it gives me hope that were having this conversation and we're going to really perhaps walk out thinking a little differently, that race matters will talk about human trafficking, that services are given and withheld because of girls raise or age. issues 18 she's no longer a child and she should've known better.

i have hope that we in this room can change that, but when we see a victim, we treat them with the resources and services they need but we don't allow that would make them state into victimization. or would becom be, that bridge p them become a survivor and a thriving. that's where my hope is. [applause] >> i want to build on this because i think you have pointed to something extremely important. we have to have hope in the work that you were doing. because it's almost like it's the thing that nobody wants to talk about. there is this great work you're doing and others to provide services to people who are trapped in what we can call slavery. that our whole jurisdictions where they've adopted a conference of approach. in sweden they passed a law 15 years ago that sees people who

are trapped in the sex trade, child or adult, and so we know that this would not be choice to any person would make if they had other options. we are going to provide housing and childcare and job training because this is something we recognize. we are also going to hold men, is 99% men who buy, so just in case you think i am using the perilously, hold the men who bought accountable with stiff penalties. traffickers. but we are also going to educate the public on the inherent harms of prostitution and trafficking. they just passed a law in france. they passed a law intended to. they're doing a version of this in seattle and county. for me that so because there is another trend where people are saying sex work is cool. is just another way to make a living. and i'm afraid that young people

have heard there's a movement in new york city for students, college students to legalize prostitution so that they can pay their student tuition. i understand some people will put this forward as empowering, et cetera, and to get that. that's part of the new cultural moment of self-determination. it's a very misguided because if we legalize this whole thing, just imagine how many human bodies, mostly girls and women, will have to be supplied to an endless marketplace. this is sex we are talking about. this is a thing is happening right now, and hope that i have is that places like sweden and the county atalanta are showing a different way, but we can help people, we can get people without treating them sort of like they don't know their own mind or something, but to really say no. as a society were not going to just give into this.

it's the oldest profession so we better just except it. this is a thing happening that we had to get informed about. your work gives me hope because i can see the people who are skeptical that look at this amazing work that's been done to actually give girls and women at option that they don't have to do that. so thank you. [applause] >> we have about five minutes, although that less actually, and we go to audience questions. can we get you on this really quick? >> i was just going to add that the economy behind this is a big piece of the issue. it's important to look at the interconnectedness of a lot of the things we vote on such as raising the minimum wage and

providing other employment opportunities so that young girls don't feel like this is a viable means to pay tuition because there may be another option available. i mean, likewise, i am inspired by the work that organizations like yours do, even more so would like to see their not be as much of a need for so many organizations like that. i think the real way in which you can alleviate pressure for organizations to pop up and recuperate and rehabilitate young girls and boys is for there to be other opportunities, and keeping kids in school is a huge piece of that which is what all of the organizations, i would emphasize a component on staying in school, education, helping girls finished at least k-12 and then hopefully go on to college. you talked about some of your girls that have graduated and gone on for higher education as well. all these opportunities raise their ability to earn, and that

can really change the entire landscape. >> that's a great point. i was thinking about a famous quote by florence bernard in his book wretched of the authorities is each generation must realize this mission for fear of betrayal. the question is an easy question. it's easy to drift towards the easy answer to that question, which is inspired by the young folk who are taking their own lives in their hands and they are seizing the time and they're trying to make the world move. the rail is young people always do that. that's, we talk about forces of movement, young folk always, we are here today and enjoy the kind of expenses that we enjoy because young people at some point made a difference. i was struggling.

what we saw taking place, if you can, this may just be in my mind but when i looked at a juxtaposition between janet in the 1990s of the movement of young people who begin to galvanize around the janus sex and ferguson -- six. one of the differences between those two reactions was they didn't take long for what occurred around them to be absorbed by an older generation of leadership who begin to articulate for the young folk who were organizing exactly what they were trying to say. and in the process of doing so they missed i think with young

people were saying. what we see occurring in my mind, i guess we all see it play out in front of our own eyes was the young people who begin to organize and ferguson took a very careful note to say not this time, in the sense we got this. and, of course, had made our leadership in the civil rights energy kind of nervous because they are not being told sit down and move out of the way. but certainly young people in ferguson and other types of responses to some of the dynamics we see unfolding in front of our eyes, i think they demonstrated a certain level of courage, which said that we are prepared to proclaim for ourselves that this is our movement and its our time. that's what i think gives me hope. not that young people are moving. again to kind of, to greet the circle, young people are always moving, responding to challenge

what they see to be a distasteful or injustices of their time. but what i think i see happening now is they are prepared to do so with a certain sense of courage, clarity even wanted a process of figuring it out. because of course all generations. out of relative obscurity which means they have to figure it out themselves but i think that's a beautiful expression that gets me most hope. >> i think and interests of time maybe we could have one person respond to each question. the first we have here is to black lives matter? what does the civil rights look like to refer community that typically are now equal?

i guess i'll take the shot of that because it kind of post i think from the point i was trying to make. i think what's happening, i think that the black lives matter movement is getting unfortunately, is experiencing an unfortunate treatment right now. i think for the right reasons, there is a rush to compare them to a movement of another period. because people are hungry for some kind of new type of energy to help transform, to help continue the need to transform a particular challenge in society. some would argue that movement such as black lives matter is well overdue your butt i think that time, we have to give them time to begin, to complete the

maturation of this as a movement. we talk about civil rights movement as if in some kind of monolithic movement that dropped out of the sock i -- out of the sky and then left. we forget that it was such a thing called a march on washington movement. we forget we had all types of expression for civil rights, some very famous and some very obscure. we know that some of those movements were absorbed into other more popular no notice but the civil rights phenomenon is a very old phenomena. it took time to get to the point where indeed it had the power to transform the world. we have to give this black lives matter -- i think it's an unfair question. well, respect of the question, not one. i think it's an important question but i think the tendency to rush, there is a tendency to rush to a compression that i don't think is right yet.

give them some time. >> most people think they can't engage in human rights in everyday life. how can you guide us be more involved in our thinking about thinking about and advocating for human rights? >> so great. gives me a chance to plug some good work that's going on. first of all you have to think in your own life, if you want to be involved in human rights the first thing to do is to find something you care about. you personally care about and you know what hit you up on a saturday morning to go do. and then we learned about that issue and invest the time and figure out who of the conversations are working and go and get involved. we are actually in the process of creating an online collaboration tool. it's called the forum on women,

and its women, religion, violence and power and is very much geared towards discussion with people can just plug in. there are other such networking opportunities. the main point is to really think within yourself what do you care about? pick something that comes to your heart, and really dive in and go in for the long term. tried not to just babble -- babble until you find the thing. but human rights needs us all because it's quite endangered we are really in danger of losing what president carter described earlier as these global norms. we have normalized torture in our country because of guantánamo. we have normalized indefinite detention, normalized violence against women. we are in danger, you know, with wireless tapping. the right to privacy is actually

done. without a clue making much of a thing about it. so these are things that, it's really time to wake up and get engaged in peace and get a hold of it and don't let go. >> lisa, what programs are active in the u.s. and other countries to educate young men so that there's a diminished market prostitution and less acceptance with domestic violence, et cetera? >> not enough. that's the real answer. i can give you a few organizations, but not enough. the arm in against violence. there are boys tune in progress but certainly not enough. when it went public in and say he wish he was a girl, that tells me that we have fallen down on this job. so the answer must be not enough. we need people to step up to the plate to answer the call.

we can do only so much as women in terms of helping a young man become a young man. we need men to help do that. in lieu of that until it happens will continue to build our voice, but we don't have a program necessary. we don't have a shelter to physically for males who have been victims of trafficking. how do we say that is okay? again, my answer is not enough. i would like to add this. i have learned that went i save one male, general on average save three to four girls. because he will not go to try to profit off of her body. when i can put him in school, in the classroom, give him a support system, and mentors that are necessary, counseling if it's required as well, housing, food and a part-time or full-time job, then he doesn't

see it as a necessary evil for him to go and prosecute a child, another girl. >> earlier president carter said that when he's talking about racism, he said that was what it was so hard to uproot. i wonder if we could open this up for everyone to talk about some of the ways in which men in a fit from the dehumanization of women and how that impacts the difficulty of operating that in the society, in the country, and in the world. >> it would broaden but a bit. >> broadened the world speak with broaden the main aspect. because i think in a lot of societies, and i wil will speakm my context of international in southeast asia, you can go through a walk along the street and you see straw houses constructed with ahmad and different products from the environment. ..

something that some girls not knowing what their life would be like and thanks to other beach town and resort areas they look forward to it because they see the girl they looked up to down the street has gone out of town to the big city and come back with money and her family is doing better because of her and that builds up levels to their house and they upgraded their vehicles and so it's a status perceived area so the onus also falls on the men or a buying stuff for the families and societies that

glamorize and admire the status that's coming through these unjust work systems so there's a lot to undo there because sometimes organizations just yours that exist in these international contexts are made up of westerners who come in from the united states or europe with our context is terrible, we need to end this, we need to face them and they will go right back to it. not because they love the work but because they have an entire family of 50 people depending on that money so again, the economy and the structures, yes they need to be in place but even if an ideal context you give paperwork and there no longer he'll try the girls, they are now thai citizens and they can be saved from this by the authorities who by the way a lot of you just sit there and pretend they don't speak. there on every corner in the club areas, they're just not doing what you might expect

them to do and you can have a seven-year-old girl doing back then been dancing on the table outside the club and the police officer is four feet away. i have teachers of this kind of arrangement where seeing is believing people are like, what's that officer doing? not what you assume. but even if all this was in place there's always going to be another girl they can replace her with . so it goes deeper than the men buying their services. it also goes in the family context, the police officers or border officers and who's getting paid off along the way. it's an intricate financial network. >> so here in america when i look at that same problem, we learn we had to go and unpack some family secrets. and they're the ones that talk about those kind of things. i will often go home and call back and say i can't live at

home because they don't understand the new me. and they want me to be the old person because my mother was also a victim of this or abuse and they don't know how to treat me. i'll call her dd, dede was the first girl brought to me by the fbi and she was there nine months and return home. she had learned she only was supposed to answer to her name, d. when she returned home they called her out of her name. and when she refused to answer them, and those who called her by her name were family members , she would be faced with one or two things. run away or stay at home and be abused there. so it wasn't the man we were dealing with, it was the family unit. and we had to go back and help mothers and fathers unpack some things and understand the trauma that

their daughters or sons had endured and understand what made them vulnerable and how they were perpetuating it in the family. those things are difficult to do because no one wants to be told that they need help and are victimizing another child and that's the work we've been doing the past fewyears. and because of that work and being very honest about it, and having those conversations because they need to be had , we saw girls stay-at-home much longer so we got about 67 percent rate of girls not running because now families understand who they are, how to act and treating them like other organizations who do good work, raising support systems to help them navigate this maze. no one understands this thing that takes a whole of the child. like cops and being put in

dog cages and sold on the market to the highest bidder. you don't understand what she's thinking or thinking every moment of the day but when we can impart some of that knowledge, that changes the dynamic and they can keep our girls and boys safe. >> to put a cap on this, all this human suffering. i think one that we don't talk about that is so uncomfortable to talk about is her story because it is actually bigger than the sex trade itself, the physical encounter. it is a bigger area of commerce. >> for sure but i wonder that the amount of transactions are more online than in person and the statistics are terrible. people mostly women the last three months are done until they are cast aside and it's become more and more violent, more hyper violent pornography has now become mainstream and this is

leaving 12-year-old boys on their own. >> can we say girls because that's a growing market and we don't talk about that. when we had a conversation we need to be honest in the conversation. when we talk only men are the ones benefiting from children being tracked, we must also say women are two and we need to say that because we when you know your husband, your son, your uncle, they participate in this thing and you do nothing about it? your part of the problem as well and were not saying that out loud. we're not saying women are traffickers as well and we need to have those conversations if we are to truly protect our children and pornography is not just a gateway but it is one of the largest moneymakers out there when it comes to boys and girls. we don't want to talk about it because our next door neighbor maybea person who is participating or buying pornography. and that is uncomfortable . >> we don't forget that the thing that's being filled is extremely violent things. they are filling and i know one is a survivor and she

says, thank god i was never filled. he had a horrible experience, it was very violent but she said at least i was never on film, there's no record of it . but the girls and mothers, and i say this with the vast majority of those who are victimized are female but males who, there's now one person who came out and said he's now talking about how horrible a life person that was for him, how you dress that he's in his 60s now and so i'm saying the only reason is because about male privilege and how best to their benefit and there's this idea that there is a form of entertainment, and they been normalized in our society. kids going hey hey, but people are. seriously hard in this thing and i would ask that you think about that because every time you click on that, someone is being harmed.

and money is exchanged, someone a profiteer's profiteering and i think this is a very concrete area that we can ask ourselves for challenges when we have a lot more we can say here but we have a hard out to the c-span audience so i want to invite her up to give herclosing comments but i want to thank everyone here for participating . [applause] >> before taking its summer break the senate voted for a second time to block funding to combat and prevent the viv virus. >> just last may when our democratic colleagues asked us to act and act with urgency but today, they turned down the very money that they argued for last may when they decided to gamble with the lives of children like this. instead of protecting them.

as i said, they ignored their own call to get this done quickly and they refuse to pass urgent measures that would protect our country from a public health crisis. so as i said when i started mister president, this is a test today to see whether our democratic colleagues care more about babies like this or special interest groups and they failed the test. it's simple as that. >> we got back and the republicans in the senate approved what happened in the house, planned parenthood, an organization where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of women go for their care. do you think they're going to have a little rush of business now because women in america today what to make sure that they have the ability to not get pregnant, why? because mosquitoes ratify women.

under the logic of my friends and republican leaders, they don't need to go to planned parenthood, they can go to the doctor someplace in las vegas or chicago or lexington kentucky. they can go to an emergency room and say i'm sorry, i didn't get both birth control, will you help me? that's what emergency rooms are for. number that's what planned parenthood is therefore. the vast majority of women who need help, that's where they go, planned parenthood and i don't know, i just think we got back from the house and now there's no money to be provided for that. >> this thursday preview of four major issues congress will debate when they return from recess. zika funding, defense policy, gun violence and the impeachment irs commissioner john constantine. will feature key debates and an update with washington

examiners. senior congressional correspondent susan for riccio thursday at 8 pm eastern on c-span. up next, racial justice advocates talk about issues important to the black community. 50 different organizations including the black lives matter network and the black youth project have joined forces to promote a common agenda of racial justice. the event coincides with the release of a report outlining 40 policy recommendations ranging from police accountability to the shooting and killing of unarmed minorities to comprehensive plans to improve education in economically deprived communities . >> good morning everyone. welcome to the center for policy studies and welcome to the event, the emerging racial justice agenda.

just to tell you a little bit about ids, ips is a community of public scholars and organizers linking justice in the environment in the us and globally and we work to, we work with social movements, work through democracy and the challenge growth, corporate influence and military power. we're honored to put this forum together together today and the purpose is to unpack and lift up the newly released visionfor black lives, policy demands for black power, freedom and justice , black power, freedom and justice and so we have some quiet fault panelists here today that we're going to engage with and talk about that with, my name is nafta freeman, the coordinator at the institute for policy studies and i'm an organizer in african community action, this is an organization that engages in the same struggle, the same movement as we are honored to

be a part of this event. i want to brief the backgrounds of the people we have here today, janae bonsu is a black activist organizer and nation scholar. he currently serves as the wymt 100 national public policy chair and is the phd student and instructional social worker. we also have marc bayard, he's to my left and then literally speaking, not necessarily literally, [laughter] we also have marc bayard, he's an ips associate fellow and director of the institute's black initiatives. he was a founding executive director of the worker institute at cornell university and leading experts on racial equity and organizing strategies with extensive experience in

building partnerships between labor faith groups and civil rights communities. we also have marbre stahly-butts, policy advocate at the center for popular democracy.joining them as a justice fellow in fall of 2013, she currently helps leave their work on racial justice initiatives, a justice work focused on organizing with working with families affected by aggressive policing and criminal justice policies in new york city in order to develop meaningful reform. she's also a member of the nbo as the movement for black lives policy table leadership team that helped put together this today. and so just to tell you how we are going to go, we're going to start this off and there's going to be a chance for people to chime in with questions and the policy thing but i want to take the

moderators prerogative and start with some questions to try to tease out some things. i should say in addition to my other affiliations, i'm host and coproducer, coat and producer of vision on wf pw, 89.3. i say that because i'm going to put on what you call it, the hard questionnaire hat on. i'm going to try to be, we just want to do it that way to get some, our tagline on the show is not for the politically faint of heart. we're going to put that hat on and so nothing personal, it's not going to be about the people, it's going to be about the ideas so we will ask those questions and opening up and i want to encourage you all so i might direct a particular question to a particular person but that doesn't mean someone else might not feel like i

want to say something on that so we will have that. i also wanted to give some announcements before we start. and then say that this is very fitting that we are doing this in the month of august because it's black august and black august, that start honoring the fallen freedom fighters in the concentration camps which any people may not see that, we call it the prison concentration camps in this country and california, former freedom fighters like george jackson and brother jonathan jackson and william christmas, a number of them and a lot of people should know about their struggle, it happened in the 70s and right now we're seeing a reemergence or reawakening of paying attention to black august so it's no mistake we're holding this event in the midst of black august as part of that.also with that in mind i want to make a couple quick announcements. before we begin, one is and this has to do with where the

institute for policy studies intersects with this work, we have a newly released report, the growing gap of african-american and latino families will not like well this century and that's a report that was released a couple days ago area a few days ago, there's at least a summary on the table out there people should get a chance to get back in the hole. report is on our website so that you can download. we also have two events in mind with black history or black august that we are proud to participate in with a number of black lives movements, black lives matter easy, dy t 100, api resistance, and african reaction and a numberof us , there's a number of events i'm going to mention to that i got involved with. the fee film screening on august 13, that's this saturday, the film is the

walls of jericho and the movement that is shaking them. a documentary about the movement to free political prisoners , gathered in their involvement in the rights of the 60s and 70s and thelast one is george jackson releasing the dragon, a video mix cake . that is, it's it says video mix tapes center, created by bucky rose and darren all, part of the mix my life proved to commemorate the life and politics of george jackson and that is going to be on august 23rd, next tuesday, august 23, 6 pm at the costa library, the first one on august 13 was the walls of jericho at the proudest house and morgan so let's kick this off, i just have some questions, i will probably just ask a couple of them and not necessarily in any particular order. i wanted to start off with each of you getting a response to what ways should this document, the platform the use and by whom and how can we do it in a way that realizes the most actionable

steps for the most expedient change, i think we agree that the problem is a systemic problemwe are having here and it's also multi-active problem . if you can give some thoughts on that. >> so just to kick it off, a general overview of what divisions of black lives is is a set of 40 comprehensive policy demands that were developed by over 30 organizations that came together in a collaborative participatory process to say what is it that we are fighting for, what do we want the world to look like, what does it look like when we win and how do we get there , so it's in that process that we developed six broad demands, with each of those demands is 514 specific policies that range from short-term to long-term because we

understand that to radically transform the society in which we live, that overnight and we need more immediately and as we look at it yesterday, that's not the case so we understand that revolutionist process and we understand that the past is not just to freedom, is a suspect one has to be strategic so in that realm, to achieve anymore on black people, 20 declaration and from the system that harmless , investing in our communities and things that allow us to be out of work father selves, toachieve economic justice , and political pull out power, it's usually included control, everyone has to participate in this process so we don't platform so that individuals and organizations can engage with it and also it up less work that's already been done, it's reflective of organizations on the ground that already doing the work so individuals and organizations that are

invited to not just endorse platform, but also to take it and go to their own campaigns around. how does this specific policy makes sense in your city or your state? how can you engage with that legislatively? how can you engage with that using political education in your community, in your school , your, whatever community you are part of? so from doing that we can turn our ideas into action and really engage with it in the sense of if you have petition, i want you to take action with the policy.word and get folks to rally behind what you are doing on the ground so it's really meant for collaboration across cities, prostates and across the country so we can really don't comprehensive united fund in texas. class i love the word black

united front. >> sure. janae said it publicly. i would emphasize that this document is reflective of the work we are mostly doing with generations and particularly the last few years and it's organizations like white peace and pride itself, freedom and others were on the ground doing that revolution and work every day so the idea was we are hearing the same demands and there really is a shared vision and there so much alignment around the need to transform not just week or touch this but to transform the roots of it and the re-center where power is and reclaim power. just claim power. so the documentary is meant to articulate outline and articulate the ambitions and work about people that's happening every day . it's often on the knowledge,

often ignored values but it's really an everyday thing so how do we as a collective organization come together and amplify and articulate this shared vision but in so doing give honor to the folks who are doing the work and support? i think the hope is to help develop a document and provide concrete resources for folds so you will see like a 40,000 page platform that includes both these demands but also these policy briefs and saying how did we get there? so at the state and county and federal level, what are steps we can take to end the war on poverty? what are the consequences to get there and we try hard to balance this idea of the region that we have in our mission as everyday steps take us. we doing one for individuals and communities are doing the work. it has seen the document, link to and connections with folks already doing the work so it is hope that we can build relationships way but

it's been incredible with the work on michael brown, how much the infrastructure of the movement has grown and how connected we are as people and also liberating things. and also connect more people and allow us to work collaboratively to our shared ambitions. i would also say this is not the audience i'm talking but to narratives in the media that the folks are involved in this movement who are putting their lives on the line don't have a clear vision of what they want and that never has been true. it wasn't true then and is not true today but one of our goals is to say we know what we want. you do? are you ready to actually engage? so it's also a challenge to folks who are elected and shows to people who are out our allies and advocates to say here's a radical vision and i say radical but a vision that the roots of the problem we are facing and challenge you to adopt this

principle so that's not answering the audience but that's what we hope is one of the symptoms of business challenge to folks who say they are allied with this but i'm not saying they're not allied but to really advance policy and ideas and that they may be privileged in some ways so that is why we are talking about equality and freedom, it doesn't have to be a shift of power and asking people to lose power. but it's commitment to equality. we also would say one of our ambitions is to make this a literal document but what i mean by this is the website, we absolutely want folks to contribute. if we want folks to campaign for office that we don't know, maybe this is a way that we can have a hub for people who share that work and elevate what's going on and innovative ideas. >> in addition to that, we will be having, weapon eyes on each session of the platform to allow for that

interaction for people to continue to uplift the work they are doing, exchange ideas and really use each other for resources and how to again, turn these ideas into action on the ground. people will be organizing on the ground in different cities across the country but really trying to be proactive , collaborative and participatory in how we take this platform from being online or on paper into really on the groundwork. >> what i'd add is that i was rereading the document last night and as someone who lives in washington dc like most of you, it was amazingly refreshing and exciting to see such vision and hope and thought put onto paper with real steps and real policy to actually see change and as someone who works particularly in the economic justice realm, i zoned in on the sections on economic equality, the sections on

economic justice and reparations and at some one who works in the worker field, with the reality that the majority of working-class americans will be black and brown by 2032, this document spoke to that and it really broke up some of the traditional thoughts about class versus race and said we are the people. so these are demands so it was just amazingly refreshing to reread the document last night and be in the space with you all today because this is the kind of conversation we need to have in washington dc, the kind of conversation we need to have cross-country. >> allows already answered so you cut down half of the questions. [laughter] but it brings to mind this one about the systemic challenge, inspire me to quote from an article that was .org and i want to put the part of this, i don't have it here. i can't remember the name of the article it was ngos and how the neoliberal, and it's

put forth in terms of schools, i can't remember the name of the document here's a quote from when i was copying and pasting and i will ask the question, in the long run ngos are accountable not to people they work among. they are what botanists call an indicator species. it's almost as though the greater the devastation caused by new liberalism, the greater the outbreak of ngos and as those rulings have utilized nonprofits and similar outfits as a means to further the interests of their public image and decimate, disseminate their ideologies, whether we: organizations or nonprofit industrial complex, neoliberalism has seen the role of these private organizations further entrench itself in its spaces that used to be that of the public commons. so how do you see the movement being able to plan or the pursuer for issue of the pursuit of the policies and everything without the things or the strength, fast

and handprints that come with a nonprofit industrial? so i think the nonprofit industrial complex, more than the strings attached as you say, it's very real and it has affected and continues to affect nonprofit organizations across the country, across the world that are trying to do good work. i don't think that it is a rigid barrier to making that work so in the spirit of close, i want to name this team close by who is actually in the university of maryland, and that philanthropy never intends to fund revolutionary struggle, command just features as well sources of power that has been gained by exploiting the bodies like and people and so to that, in that respect we as organizations, many of whichhave nonprofits, 501(c)(3) status , to be, we

have to develop a set of criteria i think to remain principled in the work that we are doing so for one is, in terms of tactics we have to diversify our funding sources. we can't solely rely on this philanthropic role, on foundations to fund our work and that's not to say that we need to be or should be anti-foundations, that is not what i'm saying, i'm saying we can't solely rely on that because there are rates that come with strings attached and so we have to be really vigilant about our integrity about what we allow ourselves to do in terms of grant requirements, we have to be okay with saying no to things that go against what we believe in, we have to also think about how we can fund raise amongst our constituencies so that could look like membership dues, that could look like just really grassroots fundraising so in my organization it

would be like the 100, we have a chapter structure, we are a nonprofit organization and we are very unapologetic in our politics. we are unapologetically, like my shirt says, queer, feminist, womanist and anti-pacifist and we are vigilant about mission creep and go, fundraising pays the rent but also like house parties and sell merchandise like the shirt that i'm wearing. we also have our membership dues structure show really trying to build other means of funding sources so that we are not succumbing to the nonprofit industrial complex that gets in the way of radically transform society that we are working to build and i think interorganizational he, between organizations, gnome is sustained without collective sustained power so

i think interorganizational he, sharing our resources in the spirit of cooperation as opposed to constitution is really key. grant structures really foster that spirit of competition but because you have a lot of organizations that are applying for the same funny because they're doing similar work so that shifts from sin like hey, we should collaborate on this project to i am trying to obtain these resources by mark position so that we can get by and it's a really looking path and see how we can collaborate and the last thing i will say, organizations are funded equally. there are nonprofit organizations here that have really big budgets and some who are struggling so to provide every year. struggling with how they are going to make payroll so i think for those larger organizations, especially those that are led by more

privileged populations, i think can we interrogate, how can we use our resources and re-grant structures left smaller grassroots organizations that combine with the work that we are doing, how can we share our resources so i think that's a good place to start. amen again. i think those are the three main things to build off of that, number one is this idea of principles and values that folks who are doing this often thrive on claims and values and the way this system works is often constituted on the claims so being clear about what our values are, and where we think money should go, that just means about our priorities and are about our demands and it's all the things that were as organizations of individuals we should be clear out and also accountable to. it's also the point that so much of the work is done is done by the resource he forced, it isn't done by any folks with any allegiance to

or need for money and coming from that, it's not the organization we think of as an organization in this nonindustrial profit complex so it's going to acknowledge that work doesn't have to be funded to be effective, is what so many folks have done historically that is funded by four or any investments, it's not folks who rely on it in that, it's been able to be raised and born in ways that push everybody else out like that, so ways that we had with knowledge and the last point is not all folks are not equally, it's important that we talk about separations and talk about equality and this entirety of the industrial complex and put your money where your mouth is. we have to act repeatedly, you all are a foundation for black people and you are not a black cause, how are you getting the money that you reach to those communities a way that is productive and isn't about you controlling that, that you are not the decision-maker either though i think having real conversations about what our values are our asking ourselves in this kind of

work that we do, whether or not we are living those values and capitalizing, that's important and everything is ways on how we get money and where money comes from and i also want to say i think the idea of separation, re-channeling of money and all this money is donated money in some ways. it comes from the foundation that's based on bodies and continues profiteering office bodies and the thing about where money should be in the long run is part of a longer conversation about nonprofits and foundations should engage in around money and who control that flow. >> the only thing i would have is that you have to talk and think about leaders of the past, medgar evers sold insurance during the day and he did his activism that night so the reality is that part of what you're asking in terms of your question is this whole idea of the professionalization of thing this thing versus the reality of how this work gets funded.

and all of this sort of eroding and corrupting effect it can have on the process but with this movement you've seen so much activism coming from people who may not have even been political. you see it a lot in terms of workers who left their jobs at the fast food restaurant they worked at in ferguson when mike brown was killed, they just went off the job. the activism, the organic nature of the activism is something that's amazing and part of the goal is to figure out how do you maintain and sustain so much of that activism on a day-to-day basis. it's easier for those who may be working in that sector but how do other people connect that? that's the definition of the movement and doing the work and the nonprofit and. i'm amazed by the level of excitement and i'm impressed by the level of commitment of those who find the time outside their day-to-day work to be a part of this because

this is so different and it's so powerful and a document like this really shows a pathway to actual change so i think that's where the excitement life that require lies. >> i had to get something like nonprofits will not get us free . it's an ecosystem and to your point, what has made every social movement, every revolution of possible moment is that folks are not sexualized. we're not doing this anymore and i think creating solutions in the 30s, they also find that and you seen the video, the importance of nonprofits i think in their ability, their dependence on the system that is in fact do to all things so they are also part of the process. just realizing that is also part of the problem. >> with push back on this a little bit because we talk about systemic, specific being the problem and then they raise the elephant in

the room, capitalism and the first one to raise that system is a capital system and by the very nature of industrial complex, one of these monsters that capitalism prayed for several months, the industrial complex we know we can depend on them because they are actually not just, we can't depend on them and they are also part of the problem but they must this inequality, all these things but is it more than just not depending on them and finding diversified funding but challenging the system which means i'm assuming that anticapitalist means is trying to get rid of capitalism so also, industrial complex. we are not just not going to the nonprofits and major funders and whatnot but we are also trying to eradicate that whole scenario, that whole, yeah, that whole situation.>> i think you are right.

but again, to a point i made earlier, with throwing capitalism or eradicating capitalism, it can't happen overnight. capitalism is an economic system that defined our society and thathas sustained throughout this country's relatively short history . and it's cousin neoliberalism also perpetuates it, right? but even in looking at the division for black lies platform, many of the things that we call for good arguably be categorized as socialist but at the very least anti-capitalists, any platform or division that calls for the radical reallocation or redistribution of resources is anti-capitalists so when we are talking about fund raising, when we're talking about resisting the non-

profit industrial complex and i'm not trying to sustain the container in which we work so that we can harbor our powers , that's difficult at the same time it's, they're not one idea, i think we can still strategize about the relationship that comprises the ruling class and the ruling class is not a capitalist monolith, workers are the monolith so really strategically understand or trying to understand how those networks work together, right? who is an alliance with who, what are we up against and not just that's why education is so important because it's like our opposition has tactics, we have to tactics do so one of those planks in the platform is about community control and another is about political power. so i think that in the short term, on the way to the

society that we want to live in, i mentioned campaigns earlier. i should have said transformative campaign. transformative campaigns really are focused on how do we necessarily the structures we want to dismantle while at the same time building alternative institutions, at the same time not just reenacting but still being new systems of infrastructure and not just thinking about, trying to change government but the way we are born, the way we govern amongst ourselves, even thinking more on a more micro level about policing for example. that's the difference between reforms and non-reformist reforms. i'm not interested in reforming the police, i'm not interested in how to better train police. i'm interested in how my

community can support eco-each other accountable when harm is done. i'm interested in building up systems where we can check each other, where we can achieve justice that is restorative and transformative without relying on the same systems we are trying to tear down. i'm not interested in in criminal convictions for police officers as justice and then we can all sleep well at night. i'm interested in how do you hold that police officer accountable to the heart is inflicted on this person and/or their families so it's really, i keep using the term radical in a sense because that's what it means to get to the root cause. how can we institute these reforms, these nonperformance reforms that we are calling for in this platform while we are still living in the system. it's not to say capitalism is okay, capitalism is not okay but we're not going to build this new system overnight.

>> i think she is completely right and the document does a great job of having long-term visions but that it talks about the economic section, it talks about glass-steagall and also talked about larger radical reforms, capitalism is not going to going away in the day but it really does have steps that can be taking place now, things that take place 10 years from now work in 20 or 30 years from now hopefully sooner than that but that was really the excitement of the document that it would not go aside, it really had step-by-step, it has step-by-step things that can be done today to really put into place visions for the future and i think that's really exciting because so many of us, particularly in washington are focusing on on short-term things, where can we move in congress this year. >> this document, you know goes beyond that and also list people to think short-term, long-term and

substance so that's where the excitement comes, i think that's what fueled the movement because you can enter this conversation no matter what you think about capitalism, there's a place for you and a pathway. >> i really want to express something that marbre stahly-butts said earlier in the nonprofits will stay with us. if you are a nonprofit organization today, i know nonprofits have to think about how they are going to survive as an organization because funding is real, there's staffing and all that but how are you as a nonprofit organization, how is the work that you are doing moving forward to the idea that we seek in this platform? how can you put yourself out of business, really . not in a bad way but in a good way because a lot of nonprofits that i know just

having their mission statement they are trying to build a better world so how can you put yourself out of business as a nonprofit? how do does the work that you are doing really pushing forward the world so again, it's not perpetuating the system. it's working within it as a means to this end we are trying to achieve so how can you as a nonprofit organization facilitate processes for a collaborative housing for example or like how can workers for example help facilitate worker owned businesses? how is the work you're doing moving towards this new world mark. >> i think one of the points that is a focus in this conversation is the fact that there's a misconception in the political sphere about diagnosis of the problem. i think the question has an answer as well, the reality that we don't have a system that's broken. so often it's like the system

is broken, we just have to fix it. the system is working exactly how it's supposed to. it is deeply rooted and our economy is rooted in child slavery. our police is rooted in black bodies. every single system we talk about is rooted in some form of oppression. in this country against black lives matter. it's important to say this process, this platform is about transformation and it's not what reforms that movementtoward transformation so we are moving the systems that go inside of us while living inside of them and relying on them to survive because we have to survive to change them . there's this idea of really speaking about how do we create a new economy? how do we create new governments?we need to control a new way of governing, we don't have any of that at this point. how do any of us about training and transforming the system have to stand and live inside of question mark and balance those realities that we have lots to do and we have to survive in the

present moment but we have to transform almost every single institution, every single system ace on something that is equivalent and deeply anti-black at the end of it so how do we talk about transformation and move us towards that with these baby steps. i think there's this mythology around this systemic at the heart of so many false solutions and what we actually feel is the capital and these two forms of governments adapt to them as well so you slavery and now we have a new system and in its place. and now pending in some ways the perception that happens towards surveillance that is becoming profitable and thinking i think forward about it, we are not looking for a system or to, we are actually seeking the new system and talking about that. talking about every single thing, one of the things we did was check ourselves, does this implement change that is a short-term change and actually move us toward the

liberation and freedom? no, if it increases, it increases in conservation and increases profits, then it's not a solution, it's not a short-term or a long-term solution. having our eye on the price of transformation and reform is important. >> ask another question because it had to do with coming together as a united front. but also we are talkingright now , standing to our principles so we can advance the movement and there are forces whose interests are diametrically opposed today. it doesn't serve the interest for the demands for our transformation of our community, for our community to have control over things like police area and they work in a lot of different insidious and subtle ways. we know that some areas of

our movement, pressure has been leveraged against those forces who may not stand, who maybe a little bit wavering on certain issues, they want to pick the most controversial issue and ostensibly those that can affect people in funding and things like that so how do you see, and i can think of examples for example, sisters and brothers in palestine that have supported. and hearing teresa say the greatest mistake, the greatest mistake or whatever that revolutionary can do is not be grateful, begrateful. so we know there are forces , they're serious about not having people, serious about not having people exposed to zionism and how do we with an example like that were anything of that nature, how do we ensure the integrity of our movement?

how do we ensure that people are standing on principle. >> yeah. so i think in answer that question i'm thinking about even the process that produced this document. when you have a collective of many different organizations that are coming together to produce a platform that everyone can get behind, everyone can rally around and pressed fourth, you have to assume that everyone is not coming to the table with the same exact vision, the same exact ideas . and that was the case and i think marbre said this too but we have to codevelop decision-making structures. we have to codevelop bottom lines, which marbre touched on earlier but what are the criteria that this platform has to meet in order for it,

in order for ideas to be included in the platform? does it build alternative institutions or promote community control? does it divest the systems that harm us? it really comes down to collaborating and leading with your values.it all comes down to values.i can't engage in principles, ideological struggle with you if we can identify shared values. because that is ultimately where our visions will diverge is if were not on the same page here area so the organizations that came together to develop this platform and organizationswho have since found release , there is the assumption that we all share the same values of anti-capitalism, social and economic justice and even if there's you know, some minute details within that

that you and i don't agree on, that's okay because in the grand scheme of things we know this is what we believe in so it does come down to principled ideological struggle. it does have to be a case of where i'm willing to hear you out, you're willing to hear me out and how can we some to some degree of common ground where we can move forward because this is way bigger than us. we today are fighting the fight that started well before we were eventhought of. we're standing on the shoulders of giants . well for 2016 and so yes, i think it's about leading with our values. i don't know if you want to add to that. >> i'm going to end on you this whole time so amen to all that. i think the idea of having a shared principle and values allows for strong united value. either we believe in anti-militarism, we believe in any imperialism,, with this maybe stronglanguage but we share that .

i want to make clear standing on principles is not easy. there may be some days where it appears easy and you have the momentum and the window behind you but stuff will be attacked. we're looking at transforming the systems we are inside of. a lot of people with power are interested in keeping the system exactly how it is who have been doing the work for decades you'll read of that every day and they've been exposed to the violence and bullying that comes with having antisocial ideas, so i think our people are stronger than we give them credit for and stand taller than we give them credit for but i also think this idea of articulating our shared values and standing by those values and holding each other accountable and together in a sense of love, this document is a movement, the movements that came before us and the people we stand on the shoulders of all hold each other and us in a desire to

have award in which people hold things backand are celebrated so i think having relationships, this is been a year of , this entire document is a plot and document ofbuilding the year and before that really and holding those relationships and the trust that we built is important . holding people accountable is a way of keeping coalitions together but i would say no one thought it would be easy. it will be easy and i think the most accessible we are, the harder it gets. there's the gold i was in but there. the platform who have teargas coming out then so i have no doubt that we as a people can hold a set of values and principles and hold them strong the words principle, value, struggle keeps coming up so when i think about when i see someone with ideological struggles i don't

take any of those words lightly. those are all heavy words. the struggle that comes with sacrifice, comes with being able to put something online . being at risk of losing something, you mentioned funding . i'm reminded of this chance that we do in voip 100, it's been making its rounds, it's a call and response chance that asks what side are you on my people, what side are you on? >> we are on the freedom side right. and that chance, i'm reminded of the question. you have to choose what side you are on. you are for freedom or you are not and you mentioned palestine, palestine is in solidarity with black lines matter movements and vice versa because we see and understand our struggles as similar, not the same but similar. when you have palestinians posting videos to fulton ferguson on how to combat teargas, that is solidarity.

so we just have to be willing and able to say, this is what i want, this is what i believe, i'm in the struggle with you and i'm willing to put xyz on the line with that if we lose our plumbing, oh well. we have to think about self it's, you have to make a decision that prioritizes profit or any other type of funding over the change that you say you're wanting to make, that's not real. that's notauthentic and that will give us the so we really have to be willing to struggle , in a literal and ideological sense. >> it also goes back to the question about the industrial complex because what do you have to lose? we talk about these conversations with funding or things like your power and the space infected. like asking people to hold to

their values they've declared is important but also understanding that influence, and to today's point, we have to be willing to sacrifice and we are people who've done nothing but sacrifice, so this is movement based on sacrifice but i think continuing that and supporting each other, allies and staying with somebody even when that is hard for you. giving up power or privilege or maybe plant even though that is difficult because that is actually how we change the way that power works in a country. it's not taking yourself to a mall and tweeting solidarity. it is sacrifice and moving forward so it's important to put up and put our values on the bottom line but putting our money where our mouth is and putting our money where actual notice. >> the only thing i would add is i think that's why in workers sense why you see more workers centers and blacker sensors involved in this movement than unions becauseyou talk about adding more to lose , the more you institutionalize the

institution, the more they are confused but the workers are seen this as an opportunity, as a moment, as part of a larger struggle and that's always been the case when it was in the 60s or the revolutionary workers in dodge, and the larger unions, they did because this is movement of struggles i think that's why you are seeing so many presenters in dc or los angeles or chicago be so involved in these movements because there's an opening and is hoping for a lot of people to be free if they all take the risk but i think it's also easier for those who feel they have less to lose and so much more to gain by being a part of this movement so part of this i think also again, i keep stressing this document is also to encourage people to take that extra step, encourage people to realize that there is something left to catch you when you fall. there is a platform, there is a vision and there are so

many others who think like you and it's a real opportunity for folks to maybe make the jump that didn't think they would and for those who are already jumping, we will build a net . >> i want to take this entry for an idea but also the worker thing, a lot of the grassroots in terms of unions are seen these difficulties. this statement is not for the politically faint of heart. there even union work has become an industrial complex in a lot of ways so a lot of grassroots areas ... but the mark point is that people who say grassroots and union, workers were seeing this, they have to get out of that and break out of that and make real transformative power among workers. >>

what's the position on the parties, is there any of a new for redress, and if not should we not been trying, part of our movement not be trying to create a viable alternative to it.

>> i think that's an important question. so we are, in 2016 which is an election year. so, one thing i will say is that, this two party system has never really been condo you surf to anything that's transform makive. i'm only 2578-years-old and i have only been able to vote in one presidential election. i missed 2008 by a year. but, in my organization, my movement, i'm not -- i am not focused, my goal is not to rally behind a candidate. my goal is not to weigh the options and choose a lesser of two he evils, and i am concerned about the issues and not the power. and the power that they hold and how a critical mass of people, through both organization, like

base building can move those, those decision makers, to act kues or meet our demands. i'm interested in a non discrimnant, any candidate can get it. that means that i don't really care if you're a democrat or if you're a republican. i care about are you willing to, are you willing to really make black lives matter, in practice, by adopting x, y, z solution? whether it be through policy or something else. i know that freedom can't be realized through policy. it is

a piece, but it's necessary. but, again, in this election, i see this platform as intervening in this political moment, with not new ideas but, with things that can be adopted, that can move us towards the war that we want to see. so that did happen three any political party and we should think about what political power are we building? >> so, if you are doing, get out the vote work or if you are doing voter registration drives, thinking about the first gop campaign that i ever organized, i am talking to young black people in chicago, about political power, about voting, and things like that. but, also, engaging with them about what issues you care

about. what is, if you are politically apathetic, if you don't care about voting, why is that? asking the why questions, and probing -- because they aren't speaking to the issues that affect our daily lives. so if that's the case what mote celebration do you have to go to the booth? so, really, the issues that people care about and mobilizing around that. and collecting data. how can i get in touch with you again? >> that's what it means to base build. >> through strategic campaigns, that employ tactics, to really, intervene in this two party system, meanwhile, building our

own sense of governors is necessary. the conversation about race has been elevated, that we haven't seen. so many organizations, have been forced to have to have much deeper conversation. there's so many organizations, in this beltway area, that talk about accountability and they never look it at through racial justice lenses and this movement has helped push it. there's been huge success. it's great have conversations. i wouldn't have done a report, people would not want to have that conversation. so i think they have moved the needle, and, i think both parties take notice on a daily

basis. and so many policy organizations, that surround themselves, take notice, and, this document, even though it is not geared, its existence will force both parties, to blue -- blew through it. plow through it. and, created so much more space. it can only continue, and get better, even if it doesn't impact, you know, clinton or trump or whatever, it's had a massive impact. that has to be acknowledged, the ability to talk about black workers was opened up by the larger movements around so many others. so i can acknowledge, it has been widened. >> i mean -- so, i think two things, it's exciting when people say that.

i feel like, black folks knew but there was this moment, after mike brown, eric garner, wow! race is still a problem. it was like this revelation. i think in that arena, what we have seen, despite the amazing conversations, the organizing, and the folks who have done incredible things, is across the board an increase in police budgets, and now blue lives matter. so it's trial say there's been a opening of conversation. but political response has been a misdiagnosis it's been

counter-productive. it's presented false solutions. i was frustrated that neither of them proposed any solutions to any of the problems that we're talking about. so, those are realization that's all parties, and officials are way behind our people, in terms of knowing what it is, that has to happen and according to what they're suggest, and more body cameras, and, holding black and brown people. to give them, 75 million contract to continue that walk, is not progress. that's not reform. we're not moving forward. it's important just to say that. this document, doesn't mention a party because, this agenda is

separate -- nobody is pushing this agenda. and that's why we had to do it ourselves, and push it ourselves. so, i would just say it's important to realize that despite the conversation, after the policy that happen have been retroactive as opposed to pro-active. and what we see is a consolidation of power. >> so, i would say, the other thing i would say, is like, it's happening and it's been happening and it's growing, and doing amazing things. out of jackson, and,. >> building political power, and, battle and i think they are doing before we can destroy it.

we can't be on political elections, without living the fact that our political power, and, whatever semblance we have is under attack. as we're in this 2016 election year. there's been a slew of voter suppression laws that are trying to be passed, in 15 states that. could change by now. but just imposing onerous restrictions, and voter id's, and, all of these things that are really, the same to exercise the right to vote. and also, as we're in a country that relies on the system and particularly black and brown people, that increased criminal

criminalization. and then take away their right to vote. all of these things that they are not accidentally related. if we're in a country that, independent car ser rates -- but, that means that most people who cannot vote by -- legislation, that disenfranchises people, so i think we, on the road to political power we have to fight back against laws that are being passed to subyou suppress our vote. push back against it. and really push for the right to vote and exercise political power for people who are locked in cages and when they come out

and we reenter society you can't impose expectations for people to be full citizens, in society, meanwhile taking away their right to vote. as we've been building local power, and the ability to change, states, are controlled by conservative folks pushing against it for them to pass laws. around minmunch wage and police department. attack is happening. and it is against self determination to vote or community who has come together and become and, push for progressive reform, to limit, to do that. >> put that out there for things we should be addressing.

>> for every action, there's an opposite reaction. it's interesting what you two have shared, because i see this, i don't know of a -- increased conversations, words ain't things. we can talk about things. and i think, it's, i would combine them to say maybe even and you can say, this is like i have a political slight of hand that happens. when we start talking more about race, and, the people that, are cloaked in, either the democratic or republican parties, and the corporation that's control them. they're talking about it more. but it's like what you just laid out. what's happening behind the scenes was being implemented is counter. he what know we want to create, we have to create alternative

political powers, but, how is it, how does that work in terms of the electoral politics. if we're agrees, we don't have any faith, in them, they are not helpful. they are adversarial. but, most of our people, people who are not registered. those who are, are voting democrat and there's this whole thing of scared of trump, and, a proven person is being supported by -- from what i'm hearing from the panel, proven to lock up, and, go to war, and decimate countries. but we're scared about the people who don't have a record yet. i'm not saying we shouldn't be,

but, i'm just saying, there seems to be a odd thing here. i think that, i would agree, to have, both the moderator had, what you said, but still saying, what should be our engagement in this process, in terms of electoral politics. when we register people to vote. or they will tell you and they will say hillary clinton. so is there a strategy or are w. should not it be to abolish the parties.

>> it is not rely those two systems. well, abolishing, and not relying on it, isn't the same thing. i'm not interested in sustaining the republican or democratic parties. so, on the way to political power, in trying to do that, i think while we still exist in this, you know, two party system, i think that you can still stay true to your values, in the voting booth, you can vote for the green party candidate. it is still there. you can vote for jill stein and not vote for hillary clinton and donald trump. that's not an enforce everdorse meant.

>> there are other seats up for grabs, in this election too. congress is super important and beyond november your local elections are super important. i firmly believe that local over everything is the mantra. so, yes, like, vote for who you want or don't vote for who you want, i won't judge you. but, still, like you have to pay attention to congress in this moment. just reflecting on president barak obama's presidency and how much difficulty he's had. you have to go through congress. the way that our system is set up, it's just really, it's not conducive to democracy. also paying attention to those

other races, and not zeroing, on just the presidential candidate. >> when you talk about local, d a, and who decides to get to lock up all the people, and what laws and who is your sheriff and school board. democrats lock up as many folks as republicans. and the idea, talking about it, here are our objectives. and organizing it, around those and then we transform them in, doing that, the emphasis is president, and, the positions on our everyday lives. impact, and for in direct ways, and talking about what we want, and, if we want a d.a. safety, i think, figuring

without a that means to us, and, demanding, it, and, it isn't tied to a party but the exercising political power. i'm used to saying, put it where you stand and still do it, and, critiquing it. and, how i am packet that is, and have a real agenda. what it is and how we push or candidates, and, how do we push candidates and whoever you're voting for to reflect your values. and what you need locally. >> i really thank you for up up lifting that. state's attorney, alvarez, in illinois, was really money straighted anti blackness. she believed in persecuting

activism. and kill a cop -- she was behind a lot of things that are just against my idea of justice n. a political campaign that mostly young black organizers led, and, got her out of office. they didn't do that through rallying behind her opponent, in the race. it wasn't a pro-other candidates. it was a -- this is why she is problematic. so now, thousands of mostly young young black people know what they do. and why that particular candidate is problematic. so when they went to the voting booth we didn't say you should vote for x. or y., we said they

are not for your life. so you choose, and now you understand what power this person has. so, again, returning to political power, maybe, you know, from that, the next step is, who do we want to put -- not maybe in that same position. but, like, how request we use our own power to take hold of how we want to do it. i think campaigns, like that, demonstrates, what an alternative to political organizing isn't procandidate. >> i'm going to ask this one last question, and this has to do, you already answered this, in a lot of ways, early on. i think it's more instructive for a lost people in the room, in the organizations, so, what role do you see, what roles do you see ali movements and organizations, playing and realizetion the most radical

aspects. >> the way that we communicate, contributes to building a certain narrative. staying incarceratedded, and change our language and saying white supremay and being critical about the language that we use. related to that, i think, thinking about allied organizations or, yeah, i think that, really pushing forward a radical agenda, starteds within your organization. it starts at home.

so i think, creating an anti-impressive culture, a work culture, that is, how are you treating the most margin naledlized people within your organization. what are your hiring practices and how do you treat each other? >> how are you like, perpetrate that go. how politician is played in and out your daily interactions with each other and the project that's you undertake.

something that i mentioned earlier is, the tactics, campaigns, and i think in order for this movement to sustain, we have to have an array of campaigns. i don't mean not in alignment. tackling different things. so, is it in a broation you can take on a piece of this and organize your networks and your people? while still following the lead of people who are most affected, and really respecting knowledge, and expertise of experience. one of the core values, we are experts and we don't purport to speak for people.

>> respecting that and leverage your resources, and, power, in service to pushing this abegan today forward. whether that means, the project that's untake, how is it, in support to the vision, that the movement has put out. in checking that, and how you interact in your daily work culture. >> i'll be quick on this. i look forward to hearing from the audience, my colleague, kim, often says, the work that we have been doing, particularly looking at black women's voices, is that, particularly for allies, if you don't have black women centered, in your economic, social struggle, then you're not being real about it.

>> black women's standards, are so many political issues, and, so if they're not at the center of how you envision your plan or your goal, then you're not being serious. for so many organizations, here, in washington, dc, who like to talk about inequality but don't break it down, or like to be color blind in their approach to things. there's an absolute lack of seriousness. and i think again, the movement for black lives, in many ways threatens that paradigm. the real goal is to figure out way to move beyond the fear of that, and embrace some of the policies. so, to your question, that's how i envision everyone here, and, everyone who is watching this, or podcast seeing this information, what they should take out of this. at least one step.

>> organizations versus to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. >> if you squirmed in your seat, when i said white supremay that's a problem. we have to be real. and be explicit in how we term them. operate in your discomfort toward that's end. >> again, amen. number one, follow and being led by the folks who impact it, and, the folks who have examiner -- expertise, and, better than folks that may have gone to a business or law school but don't know what it means to live through that. >> also, part of that also

means, honoring the language folks use to describe their struggle and, to describe the issue and the solution and the problem. so, i think, to the white supremacy, they are accurate. it's up to the folks to decide. thinking about. and this, if you are serious of showing up as a ali, you will lose some of the people that you have. people will lou privilege. i think the idea it's time to be brave, i don't know, i'm 31. so i'm a little bit more grown, and, i feel older. this is what i have seen, this

is a matter of possibility and it feels like almost anything is possible. there has been a mobilization of folks in the street. and real coverage, in the media and i think about, i'm from california, the riots, and, everyone called them rights. and, those

if you support community control, what does that mean about how you make decisions for your organization. if you say you are about something then ask yourself how are you are about that as an organization and an ally. >> practice makes perfect. >> let's open it up. >> let me get a sense of how many people want to chime in. were not restricting this to just questions, i don't like that idea. if you have a brief comment, you can have a chance to make a brief, a question. i want to see a show of hands of how many people initially have something to contribute. to this person goes first and i'llus