moving it's the other things that people see today like the passages they get people's attention. for the lifestyle that we have out here in the west is critically important to have flowing rivers they are a lifestyle amenity and then an environmental amenity. people living colorado not just to eat and grow crops people living colorado because our national environment is so wonderful that it's something that is important to coloradans into visitors out here in the west. having those free-flowing rivers is one of the essential features in the west. we are challenged and how to balance our use of the water

between the historic things like agriculture and the values that bring us to colorado like the core doors canoeing and fishing and so with the challenges over the years as to how to integrate and manage our water so that the quality of life is maintained. after all why would you want to live out here if it was just an urban desert to have these rivers as something that is a gem in a thing of beauty next from a recent trip to denver colorado we talked with the author who shares the stories of four mexican girls

who grew up in america without legal status in her burke just like us. i wanted to write this book because i felt like there was a conversation around immigration happening in this country that wasn't yet at a really deep level but we kept talking about an issue that we didn't understand very well. there is a lot of fear that comes along with the subject of immigration have think i think when people hear the word immigration they think of a stranger or somebody who is coming to the country from somewhere else and maybe wants to take something from them. take their job or their national identity i find myself curious about people where living here without legal status. were undocumented immigrants.

why were they choosing to live here in that manner. why weren't they getting documents. how hard was it to find work if you didn't have documents what was life like if you are you're growing up in a family where your president -- your parents have made that choice. if you didn't have all the same opportunities. i found for students who were all straight a students in the top grades making all of the right choices succeeding in school volunteering playing sports and all four students had grown up as very close friends and yet they were divided in terms of their legal status they did not had legal documents and to have so security numbers and all of the documents they were supposed to have to live in this country the division

between them meant that two students could work legally to get scholarships and go to college and the other two couldn't do any of those things. so all of the inequality involved in being undocumented was played out among these four friends in a way that made the issue incredibly painful. they were watching their best friends have all kinds of opportunities and rates that they themselves did not possess. and then when they went home at the end of the day each of them have siblings that were born in this country so the same inequality was playing out within their own household. they were watching them have all of the rights and opportunities that they didn't head. it was incredibly painful for them it was really personal experience it wasn't like it was a missing piece of paper they didn't have in the file cabinet every day it meant

they were watching their best friends or their younger siblings had opportunities that they felt that they weren't equal to or can it take advantage of just didn't had because they didn't have legal status. i think a lot of times they would hear things in the media like if only a limit illegal immigrants would go get papers. why did they fill out the right forms they know that their parents had gone to visit attorneys and try to figure out how you become legal in the society. what can you do to rectify that situation. every case there. have been told you can't change your legal status while you're on u.s. soil. if you entered the country illegally you have to return to your country of origin to change it.

there is a specific band that prevents anybody with an documented status from being legal if you enter the runway you must leave in order to change your status. and that generally wasn't will understood. they would speak about as it as if they would only lift a finger. and nobody seemed to understand how hard it was how their parents would have to leave the jobs they had secured in this country give up their economic livelihood go without wages for a long. of time travel back to mexico risk the possibility of getting stuck there again without good jobs in order to take the gamble that they make it legal status. it actually was a big thing to try to change your legal status. people didn't generally seem to understand that at all. the four students that i was writing about all four families have immigrated from

mexico and they have arrived when the students were fairly young anywhere between three and seven years old so the students themselves had grown up in denver colorado had have always gone to school in denver for the most part but their families were originally from farming communities. all four students have parents who were spanish-speaking who were doing menial work here who really wanted to see their children have a different kind of life but they were rick equipped differently to try to lead a different life. the students ahead documents were well on their way to pass college and they really cannot figure how to pay for college. they were considered international students. if they tried to qualify for

the scholarship they have a pay international student rates. if they applied to community college they didn't didn't qualify for the same rate of tuition that their best friends could pay. it was four times as much money. when i talk to them about their future i remember them saying it was one of the students who is undocumented she was watching her father worked as a janitor at night. he was cleaning the floors of supermarkets here in town her mom was working as a maid cleaning houses what she said to me was her father really wanted for her to not had to do that work. it was really important to him that she have a chance to do a different kind of work and he made that clear abundantly on many occasions.

she was sad and frustrated that she was so stark and can figure out a way to pay for college because she could only envision the sort of future when his hopes for her were for a very different kind of work the language her parent used was that they wanted her to be behind a desk. they really do want her to have to work with her hands they wanted her to use her intelligence and have the opportunity to create a career for herself that would take advantage of how smart she was. the great obstacle was not being able to pay for college given her lack of legal status. i kept in touch with all four students. we got to know each other very well because i spent six years following them as they were growing up i met them when they were seniors in high school and i followed them all the way through the point when

they were about 21 to 22 years old and had finished college. i'm still in touch with them today and since the book was published the two undocumented students both have managed to acquire their ability to work legally one of them actually chose to return to mexico and because she was married to a u.s. citizen and the parent of a u.s. citizen she was granted permission to reenter this country as she awaited the outcome of her case. the other student who didn't have legal status qualified for what was known as deferred action for children it is is an executive order that president obama passed it allows her the chance to work legally even though she is not a citizen of the united states

nor a legal resident. it acknowledges that her parents for her to this country when she was a young child and she didn't have a choice in the matter. she was given a legal status in our society. it is kind of a temporary fix to a big problem she did have a path to citizenship she doesn't have the right to vote she can work legally but she only has permission to do so for a two-year. of time and then she has to reapply for that work permission. it's a very and permanent solution. impermanent solution. it's not real if someone else was elected to office she could lose that rate to work legally. she doesn't feel secure in her position in our society and

she still longs for a more permanent solution that would acknowledge that she has made her home here and welcome her into a society in a more permanent fashion. by spending six years with the students it is something that a person struggles with in a daily fashion. they are dying to change their circumstances. they would change them in a heartbeat if our society made it easy for them in fact we made it very hard it's hard for them to change their circumstances all remain within this country so we have a conversation about this and we say things like if only they would change their circumstances but we forget that we need to make it

logistically easy and worthwhile for people to do so. and we really haven't. as long as we've have this debate we have not created a real path to citizenship anybody who wishes to have that right. i think the other thing that people could keep in mind as a debate immigration is that generally people long to join our society they don't want to live in the shadows they don't want to be clause i members of american society they really wish for full membership in what they're holding onto is the jobs that they had secured here. as long as the path involves giving up the jobs they have they generally will choose to say here because they have

just a little toehold is precarious but it's better than what they have. so to bring people out of the shadows we would really had to allow a path that would let them hold onto the jobs that they have and create a path to citizenship at the same time. for them to take advantage of it. see mac for more information on the recent visit and many other destinations on our city store go to our city tour. here is a look at the books that president obama is reading the summer. it includes two nonfiction titles. in which the new yorkers recount the life as a surfer during the 1960s. and eight is for. how adopted and raising hogs helped her to grieve the death of her father. the underground railroad which examines the slavery era is a

real railroad. the girl on the train and the science-fiction science fiction title. and that is a look at what is on president obama's reading list this summer. >> george gibson is a publicly directors. what is it. in the u.s. anyway is a division of the plc the worldwide publisher was founded in 1998. as a company was founded in 1986. on the first harry potter novel they opened a business in the united states and i am the publisher of that division here. looking at books do you publish. we publish about 110 books a year largely nonfiction we do 20% of fiction. a lot of history and politics and current events. include related books. those are the four areas we

want to catch up with you here is the publishing convention talk about some of the books that are coming out this fall and you had one coming up on lyndon johnson. by a my woman name joan mellon. in the accomplished norma's amount in norma's amount but he have a very dark side. this story is told through the lens of a man completely unknown to history named matt wallace who only interacted with him on a couple of occasions but his life and his life story held a great deal about the dark side of it in the deals that he made with them in texas to which they were very much involved in aware of. and this was the best is the best way to describe it. he walked into the small golf course honor and shot the man dead. he was arrested two hours later and he said to the

arresting officers i worked for him and i have to get back to washington within an hour his personal lawyer was defending him and he was exonerated. and then the top security consent -- the top security clearance. and we have it for the next 12 years which the office tried to rescind and they couldn't. there is a hidden story here behind the scenes story who had all the great compliments have a very dark side as well. where do we get this information. it's really interesting. on the day before and john f. kennedy was assassinated. the next day it was set to release an article on investigating the dealings in texas and bobby baker.

his eight in washington. the article never saw the light of day. the senate intelligence committee was doing an investigation also that too was stopped that too was stopped jfk and his assassination by him in the white house which was one of the reasons that they have argued ever since that he was responsible for his death he have nothing to do with it. but he did benefit from it. he also avoided these investigations. that some of what the book said as well. >> a deal with the devil. she argues that the young man like matt wallace came in orbit was dealing with the devil. and making up arguments with the devil. they got something for but they paid a steep price for it as well. the new book is out on the american revolution what we can learn. paul is the former head of the

art department. but also a historian of note. through the lens of the five great painters of the era. gilbert stuart and benjamin west. they are fascinating group of men to begin with but you see the revolutions in two completely different ties and you study the paintings that they did which was so iconic at the time. they were very influential in guiding america's feelings at the time towards britain. there were plenty of paintings that aroused positive sentiment for england at the time. they supported the columnist cause. but each of the artists have their own connection to that revolution. he was at valley forge. he did portraits of all sorts of people. he fought in the battle of princeton. a great artist was very involved with the army as well. his whole family was involved. benjamin west was in london -- london the whole time. he was also the court

painter. he couldn't go too far and what he needed he have to hold back in his own sentiment because he would've lost it. a fascinating and visual story. what was your reaction when you first heard about that book i did not know this aspect of the story. i have never really read about any of those artist. i have never read any of those i do not know their stories. and reading the proposal for the buck i was book i was stunned by the vibrancy of their own story and how amazing they were as individuals and the effect that they head on the american public at the time. whether you were in are in favor of the revolution or not. they do have a huge impact. it was in effect the war photographer. he was at valley forge.

with people involved whether it was common soldiers or george washington himself. the painting of washington at the battle of princeton. he was the war photographer of his time. and taking great risk as well. these men had fascinating lives. they also tell the revolution in a different way. george gibson who is carol anderson? >> a professor and have of the history department in atlanta. one of the really great african-american professors in the country. at the height of the riots in 2014 and july of 2014 she and july of 2014 she -- wrote that even though everybody understands why were talking about black rage and people like michael brown because at every point since the civil war ended when blacks have made social progress in

america they had been met with a concerted white opposition whether it was reconstruction or the great migration north were brown versus the board of education. or the war against drugs or the obama presidency every time that they have made progress in this country there has been a conservative white backlash in the courts and in the legislature. it has been coded as protecting that. it is systemic racism. this is the first time that someone has connected hundred 50 years of history from 1865 to the present to show that the attitudes that were very much a right alive are sadly very much alive today they are worded differently but that systemic sense of racism the pushing down of the minority is still very much in our culture said to say.

>> when is the book coming out. it is a little bit before the fall season. perhaps the most powerful book that i have ever published. this is undeniable. we cannot deny that this is happening. and finally a little bit off the beaten path mean maybe for bloomsbury and book tv rob king as a historian of arts in history. his skill is connecting great art with a history that stands behind it. and that is the story of club money. they are in museums all over the world. he didn't start painting until he was 75 years old. his wife have died in world war i was approaching. as he was painting here his son was in the army and he was terrified for losing his son.

it was turned into a military hospital. he produced the extraordinary paintings the great friend was there. at the moment he wasn't the president of france. he became a prime minister again when he wasn't doing his politics would go out to check up on him who was notably depressive to see how he was doing. he felt like it was a treasure and he opened this to give a lot of his paintings to the country after he died they now sit there in paris they are famous paintings but he was really the man who made a happen it was just a fascinating friendship that is at the center of this book. and that is just a quick preview of some of the books coming out by bloomsbury. you're watching book tv on c-span two.

with top non- fiction books and authors every weekend. television for serious readers. here is a quick look at some of the programs and authors you will hear it this weekend on a book tv book tv is a three-day weekend for labor day 72 hours of nonfiction authors and books on c-span two. we will be live on sunday from hillsdale college in michigan. with radio talkshow host dennis prager. he joins us for a monthly in-depth program and he will be answering your questions from noon until 3:00 p.m. eastern time. and on our weekly afterwards program you will also hear kate anderson brower and book tv visits denver to two or the city's literary sites. plus author mary roach.

to use the effectiveness for the u.s. military. the presidential politics. there is a panel discussion on the life of the author. they discuss the most recent books on george w. bush. now that is just a few of the programs you will see on book tv this weekend for a complete television schedule go to book tv.org. it is three full days of non- fiction. television for serious readers. a more africa story than that one that really described how people view this.

if eva reported from bloomington indiana who went down and went out of her way to find christian mom-and-pop site. they were that was basically allowing people allowing them to choose how to run their business. if you don't want to violate your religious conscience. there are limitations if you're actively in teaching and discrimination then you're gonna run aside from the law. if you are perfecting your faith on this one the instance of a wedding ceremony i don't want to give you my artistic skill or my labor or my expression than is understandable and that's what it was about. this reporter actually went out of her way and went to this really tiny small town. it was one of the small towns we have the storefront windows. and people park out in the middle history and we in and she said some crosses on the

wall and she thought here it is. walked inside the daughter was at the cash register that day. and she ask her which you serve and cater a gate wedding. the weird thing is there was no actual service done no goods were exchanged or anything like that it was just a hypothetical question. she said we serve many customers every day. the active ceremony a goes against what we believe as christians so we probably wouldn't participate i was thinking the reporter was can go to a quick trip and say for the wedding cake or something like that or hors d'oeuvres or whatever. it was weird that they went to pizza shop a pizza shop and i wrote about this also i have friends i'm sorry i'm from the ozarks we would never cater a wedding. do these people not understand

our neighbors through a block party in st. louis gay neighbors fabulous and they had bottle service know is can a cater their wedding with a pizza quiet for crying out loud. it became a big story. they were at the center of all of this manning debate. they have a close up shop they were getting death threats all of this for hypothetical question it was maddening because not only was it something that never actually happened if you this is more than issue of whether or not you are serving a cake at a gay wedding or photographing a gate wedding or giving pizza take the variable out of it this is who owns your labor can the government come in and say no you don't get to determine how you work when

you work and who you provide your services to that's exactly it it's about association we artie had arty had supreme court decisions on this. the thing about it is you're talking about indentured service. when you remove all of the window dressing up identity politics this is about indentured servants. they are too involved in all of these politics to realize ultimately what path they are being led down with this argument. that is a scary thing about it. and the fact that you have a reporter that went to the small town and sought someone out to prove a narrative that she was building that was exactly why people had have it. .. >> the event will start in a moment. let's tell you what will, but a pimp tonight on c-span2. but to be in prime time for the next couple of weeks. tonight's