million documents from this perfected -- period of the red squad activity inside new york in there are believed to be details about the hard hat protest, which begs the question, where was the working class in all of this? were they just hard-hats who hated the protesters or was this manipulated and was there a strong working class element in the antiwar movement that we don't know as much about as maybe we should? >> right. well, that's a very good question. did not delve into the -- into finding out what the fbi or the red squads hadwith sds but there is a lot of new documents coming out, and so i think that -- i know there's new book coming out on the weather underground that is all based on new documentation that's been revealed, fbi documentation and that may also have -- it hasn't

come out yet but that may have information on the convention in chicago 1969, june of 1969. one thing i do know is that the people i talked to were getting pamphlets from the black panthers. they were completely salacious that bernadine dohrn is sleeping with the panthers and that was absolutely obviously ginned up and a lot of the behavior was clearly classic disruptive, and behavior, and also we do know that -- not that many people penetrated the weather, but a lot of people penetrated sds and so i'm sure -- and i'm sure that there must have been multiple disrupters at the convention. >> and the hard hat thing, we know that nixon invited the hard hats. so the hard hat rebellion was 200 construction workers who

just beat to a pulp hundreds of kids and while the police just watched, and one of the things that infuriated the explosion he hard hats was john lindsey ordered all the new york city flags to be at half mast after kent state. and actually i interviewed a policeman in madison, wisconsin -- madison was the most violent of all the campuses, apparent level. worse than berkeley and cornell and clem ya. he said after kent state he and his colleague wentridge and told the kid wes got four and you got zero. he wasn't necessarily pro or -- nor would bill dyson, who didn't really -- told me he didn't understand wife we were n vietnam. but they were very much against the behavior and the anti-patriotism, which they foltz was not patriotic.

where aim on questions, answering -- >> time for one more. >> i goods i just wanted to say i think it is important to remember that it took very, very little to provoke the fbi. i was a tax resister. i was just a nobody. but i decided i would not pay my telephone tax so i close mid bank accounts and wrote a letter to the telephone company, the irs every month. >> why did you do that. >> because the telephone tax had been approved specifically to fund the war. and i was a woman, my boyfriend was a conscientious objector, i felt there wasn't quite so much that a woman would do, but that provoked visits from the fbi. i mean, that tiny little thing

from a nobody had -- meant my landlord was visited. i was visited. and my father, who was a died in the wool republican, had his taxes audited. >> that's amazing. >> so it really didn't take much. they were all over the place. >> let's not foaling get that j. edgar hoover was in pour for 48 years under six presidents. his own secret police. the amount of intimidation. they also infiltrated a lot of women's groups so even feminists were considered subversive and dangerous to the country. thank you all for coming. i'd love to sign books. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

here's a look at some events we're covering. on monday, in michigan to talk with several of the professors about their recent books. on tuesday, at politics and prose book store in washington, dc, nadia low's will discuss her work at a principal at a school in brooklyn, new york. on wednesday, nobel prize winning economist will look at the future of the euro at barnes & noble in new york city. on thursday, at the hampton history museum, mar go will remember for african-american women whose compute additions were integral to america's victory in space race, and on

friday, nickelson bake are will talk about his experiences as substitute teacher in maine's public school system. a look at the author programs booktv is covering this week. many of these events are open to the public. look for them to air in the near future on booktv on c-span2. >> lisa lucas what what do you do for a member.ec >> the found her to national book, and we run programs rear round at different colleges, middle school level and public events. >> when did you become the executive directyear. >> guest: nine weeks. >> host: what were we doing prior.r? >> guest: a publisher of an online magazine. >> host: how did you get into that. >> guest: i used to work in film and theater, and i spent seven years as the director over

yeayed television tribeca film institute, an arm of tribeca, and i had always been a big reader, person who loved to read ask that was always my primary culture love. so if i worked in theater or film issue spent time in a magazine when i was young, at the supports and always kept come can back to that. some when i left i didn't know what wanted to do but i wanted to do something different so i started volunteering at the brooklyn book festival, and i was helping put together nonfiction panels, and while i was doing that, a friend of mine just came out with her first novel and he was a college friend of mine in chicago, and she said, i'm the fiction editor at this magazine and they need some help with events or you're doing this brooklyn book festival thing now. wipe don't you see if you can be helpful to them. called the editor and chief and founder and said do you need anybody? i'm a nonprofit person.

and you're a nonprofit and i think i can help. and i think a week later i was set up as the associate publish of the magazine, as a volunteer, but it was pretty much a full-time job. anden the just stayed and we grew and we worked on the infrastructure for the magazine, and how to make it sort of more popular, more robustly supported and that's how that job came to be. happenstance. >> host: you're the first nonwhite and the first nonmale to be the executive director of the -- >> guest: i am. yes. >> host: what was your selling point to them? >> the way to the job was prior to the search from the conducted a big search at different -- to see who what fit for the job, and i didn't approach them. spoke to somebody, and i was

actually giving some ideas for people. didn't think me. at the end of the call somebody said can what about you? and what about me?l, whati was a bit young and didn't think that would be in my future at that time, and so i ended up talking to them, and i think i was so intimidated at first by the process that i just went in there as myself and said this is what i believe and what think is exciting, what i can do. i don't know i thought much about being a black woman. i was thinking can die this job and how die articulate to all of these successful board members who are interviewing me and different fields, one one used to run lincoln center, somey publishing how die prove to. the aisle -- despite being somewhat younger, competent. and i can bring something interesting to the foundation. so that it think is what i was really focused on in the end,

how do you take people and get them excited about online free, long-form journal of art and politics and make it feel like it's for them.m and the same question lies before the foundation, which is how do you make people feel invited into literature? how do you make it a bigger thing? how do you make it feel glamorous and exciting and acceptable without changing what it is?te how do you open up those doors and i think i made the case to do that. and now we're going to start the work ask do it. that was -- and being a person of color, i think that gives you a special way of thinking about audiences and thinking about how you can access people who have not been reached out to because i think people look like me often feel like they aren't considered the audience, globally. whether it's book orderan television or -- anything. theater, you name it. we feel like we're not considered to be the audience, and that's changing itch think

that demonstrated by my being here. i think it's a conversation i was able to have just on purely professional terms. let's think about how to buildnv audiences and that's also because you feel excluded and you get to be bat what about people in rural areas and people who are from different socioeconomic backgrounds, how do you widen that message to club everybody who is not included. >> host: who is on the board of the nbf. >> guest: a big board and a growing board. we have representatives from cultural organizations, nonprofits, lots of publishing, but we're widening and there are folks coming on from out of the kind of echo chamber which is our board chairman says we're moving outside of. >> host: who is the chairman.. >> guest: david steinberger. >> host: so, is it tough to answer to a big board?

>> guest: no. they're so sew -- collaborative. so involved in the national book foundation and they could be viewed asboard parties but they're actually really, like can, capable of stepping back from their day-to-day role and hoe, how do we grow and make this big center it's really -- a lot of people come up to me and said is that challenging? that's a really powerful board and they've been the mosttle collaborative, smart, interesting, and also they really feel -- i feel, tremendously like they are confident i can do my job, and so i feel really supported by them, like i feel like absolutely 100% having this board makes me stronger than anything else. some people people the board is a hinderance or they're scared of the board and this didn't feel like it. they've been really wonderful. >> host: when does the process for the national book aired

begin? >> guest: it's already begun. submissions closed may 16th, on monday. and so we're in it. the judges were announced earlier in march -- i guess w april 1st, actually, believe we announced. right every started. i showed up at my desk trying to figure out where the pens areri and that's it's like, okay, we're announcerring announcerris and opening submissions to a roll-in. so we have the judges. and now we get the books to the judges by july 1st and then they give me a phone call at the end of the summer and let me know who are long listed. which is weird. it's like -- who is going to be in our family? it's like all of a sudden you get a phone call and the writers you're going live with forever, really. it's exciting jojo lisa lucas, booktv will be live at the national book awards this no from new york city, and thank you for introducing yourself tor our booktv audience.

>> guest: thank you for having me. >> here's a look at authors recently featured ed"after words." anne coulter made her case for supporting donald trump for president. pulitzer prize-winning journalis see more hersh discusses the kill offering osama bin laden along with other covert operations that have taken place during the obama administration. and radio host dana lash argues that the united states is dividing its into two countries. coastal america and flyover america. in the coming weeks on "after words," former attorney general alberto gonzalez will recall his time serve in the justice department and as white house counsel in the george w. bush administration. , to thompson will describe the apolitical speech as changed over time. also coming up, face the nation moderator jon dickerson will remember important moments in american presidential campaigns.

and this weekend, georgetown university law professor, rosa brooks, describes the expand role of the u.s. military around the world. >> guest: one of the thing that blew my mind when i got to the pentagon -- you have spent longer in that world but eni got there i, like many americans, assume that essentially what the military does is prepare to fight wars in the traditional sense of blowing stuff up and shooting at people, and obviously the pentagon does do that but it was just amazing to me how much else people in the military now do, whether it's planning programs to prevent sexual violence in the congo, to programs to encourage microenterprises among afghan women or training judges or producing radio call-in shows. you name it. somebody at the pentagon was dog doing it. was half amazing and hal