meacham on george hw bush. i would like to get that done this summer and then every summer i tried to read a book that i've read before. last december i read to kill a mockingbird. the summer before that i read all the kings men which is one of my favorite books and this summer i'm going to reread dickens tale of two cities. >> book tv wants to know what you're reading this summer. we just your answer at book tv or posted on our facebook page, facebook.com/book tv. >> here's a look at upcoming book fairs and festivals in september. on saturday, september 18 it's the brooklyn book festival held in downtown brooklyn new york. later in the month is the annual baltimore book

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okay, lots more if i can have your attention please. can everybody hear me in the back back there? if you're in the back and if anybody is standing we also have the monitors on tonight. there's a monitor in the cafc and also a monitor by one of the registers next to you so if anybody wants to get a slightly better view you can go to the cafc or that monitor out there. i'm dana kelly. pleasure to have youall here. always a pleasure to have mary roach back. she's been here for any number of her titles and is always a pleasure to have her back . tonight is grunt. tonight is about what the military has to go through. were not going to bars tonight. we're going to the front lines. and there are some things that i certainly didn't know that you will find out tonight about what the military has to go through. in various ways. i will just mention one which i don't know if mary will talk about tonight but one of the things we learned is how diarrhea could be a threat to national security. agreed.

a quick blurb from the boston globe. mary roach's latest bit of brilliance is meticulously researched and disturbingly funny as her previous books. "grunt" examines the science behind war as well as the researchers leading the charge in state-of-the-art development. it's an engaging blend of anecdotes, research and reflection. mary roach as many of you know is also the author of packing for mars, the curious science of life in the void. the curious coupling of science and sex, science tackled the afterlife and skip, the curious lives of human cadavers and her writing has appeared in every magazine you could possibly imagine area she's going to be in con precision tonight with jeff greenwald if you are a fan of travel writing, jeff is the author of five best-selling books including shopping for buddhas, scratching service, how star trek concord planet earth and his latest is snake lake and jeff is also on our factory ... yeah, jeff works in our

factory. he is also on the faculty of our travel writers conference so if there are any budding writers in the audience tonight, you can find out more about our conferences, there's a mystery one in july and one in august and jeff will be on the faculty of that and you can find out all the information about those before you leave tonight orin our newsletter so without further do, would you please welcome mary roach and jeff greenwald . [applause] >> high. >> guest: high. >> host: do you want your voice to be miked up? >> guest: i'm a few octaves lower and more sultry going to, well, it's not really laryngitis anymore because you can hear me.

yesterday would've been worse. i'm hoping it holds up. we've got tea here and we should be good. >> host: let's go right into it, thanks to everybody for coming, thank you dana for the great introduction. i'm going to start with this question, mary. war spreads from very unusual seeds so let's get first to "grunt". >> guest: it wasn't a seed, it was a chili pepper. i was reporting a piece on the world's hottest chili pepper, i was in india and someone told me when i was reporting on this pepper and this contest where people eat this unbelievably hot chili pepper. they said the indian military weapon eyes this chili pepper and i said i really need to report on that so i went over to this science lab that the indian army maintains and talk to them about the chili pepper which they never deployed because it is prone

to mildew. so it kind of bombed. the exploding chili pepper grenades never was deployed but while i was there there were other interesting things they were working on. theywere working on a leech repellent while i was there which i thought was right up my alley. i don't know, a leech repellent . that was kind of where the idea came from. i thought military science sounds far more esoteric and maybe more approachable than you might think so that's what got the ball rolling. >> host: eight roach of all thing is something i'd like to ask about. all of your points, they are wonderful, scientifically and lightning and they are really funny and kind of breezy, a lot of them. did you feel any sort of worry about bringing this kind of lightness or brazenness or humor to the world of soldiers which are kind of angry in the united

states right now, soldiers are heroes, they sacrificed a lot. how did you feel about bringing your humor to that subject mark before a lot of trepidation about that. a lot of concern. i want to do, i have to, i've got to be me. it's got to be a mary roach book. it had to be funny, it had have some level tea. on the other hand, this is war and people are injured in many ways and i didn't want to be disrespectful. or make light of things in an inappropriate way so i tended to make fun of myself as the clueless outsider that i truly was. for example, at one point i have a chapter on basically how to design a vehicle, how to design automotive safety for people who drive on bombs. how do you create a vehicle that will keep the passengers

safe if a bomb goes up so they were showing me around this large armored vehicle and talking about how it had to be stripped down because you couldn't keep adding more armor because that would make it so heavy it would be too heavy for the engine, for the brakes so it was very stripped-down inside and i said oh, it's great that you still have cupholders and the guy said no, those are rifle holders. [laughter] and that kind of would happen over and over because i really am not, i haven't spent any time in the military. i don't have any family. my father is 65 when i was born, he actually enlisted in world war i. he was born and lived here and started basic training and he got a hernia and that was that for the illustriousroach military career . >> host: is this feeling, i think it is? in terms of being the person

whose blunders into these situations without knowing much about them, you've covered so many subjects now but we also know it was a two grunt was tracking to mars. was it harder to get access to military or to the space program? before you would think the military but in fact it wasn't as difficult. the military were very straightforward. it was either is this budget classified? if so, no. right up front no but it wasn't classified. people were very helpful and willing to kind of help me. the difficulty was was not that people were saying no, it was that nobody felt they had the authority to say yes so you had 15 people, i can't say yes but you have to ask these people and these people were ping-pong back and forth andit took a year and a half to get , to try and submit, i year and a half. it was just trying to find a

way on there. in that casepartly because i wanted to be on for only a few days, not months . i do like to immerse myself in reporting but it has its limits. >> host: the good news is you can get on, the bad news he is you will be there for 12 months. the beauty in all your books is in the details and there are details that are unforgettable. one of them for me was in your chapter about military uniforms you mentioned united states government has a button specifications guide. the guide is 22 pages long and i was amazed to read the army requires that it's clothing designers have a fashion design degree, isn't that an oxymoron? >> guest: you would think so, i was surprised as well. the moment that i was talking to in the design lab, mia grabs basically designed

accessories of being a soldier, the clothing, the things you carry, the things you sleep in, the tents, the sleeping bags . they have a design lab for the uniforms and this woman had a fashion degree and her background was in swimwear design and i thought that makes no kind of sense to me and she said actually, if you think about it, it does. because the bathing suit is for a specialized activity, aquatic activity. it's in a specialized environment, it's water. so it has to give, it has to direct water in a certain way so in fact she felt her background in swimsuit design was in fact a fairly appropriate one. the other woman had worked for high-end wedding gowns. she said here again, was a wedding gown? it's a layering of specialty fabrics.

[laughter] >> host: one thing we learn from your book is some things you think would be a danger to soldiers like sharks, say if they go overboard are actually no problem at all. it's something you don't think about like diarrhea which is a gigantic problem. why is diarrhea such a great problem for soldiers? >> guest: let me tell you. my first book, historically, diarrhea was, there's doctor william adler had a great quote, he's a famous father of modern heroism, that's what they call him. he's the one that says dysentery has been more fatal to soldiers than powder or shot. the facts bear that out. the mexican american war as

an example of this. seven soldiers died from dysentery and disease, mostly dysentery. more than soldiers killed in combat. you would have these camps and you've got the mess tent where you are preparing food and all this refrigeration and you've got an open latrine and flies, unbelievable number of flies attracted if anybody's were around so the flies are landing in the latrine material and buzzing over to the bees which are setting their because the flies are on a mechanical vector which means they land on the crap and then have feces on their feet and inoculate the food which sits there for two hours and the whole camp gets dysentery or yellow fever, whatever. so it was a tremendous problem. now it's not because there's good hygiene on basis. the basis work conditioning for the whole dining so it could be sealed. you didn't have to open a window so there's no flies anymore, that's not a problem but it is a problem if you are saying special

operations, one of those guys going out on small unit. say, a small village in somalia and you're doing counterinsurgency work. those people are eating what the locals eat and water is often not safe and diarrhea among those folks is quite high. as you could imagine, if you were going to i don't know, take down osama bin laden, whatever your assignment was and had extreme gastrointestinal emergency, that's difficult to national security. i went all the way to africa for the diarrhea chapter. that's just the kind of gal i am. so i ate a lot of special operations food going out to areas places in somalia and north africa and i went with the diarrhea researcher who was testing a very quick one dose regimen where you would

eat this in a matter of hours or a few days so that's something they were testing. >> host: top secret. >> guest: no, actually it will be coming soon to a drug store near you. >> host: one thing that was interesting is that you take for grantedthat mexico is kind of like the poster child for travel .it's tourist about how much mexico on that honor had an interesting story. >> guest: if you go on to the road which is with all-american journals, most of them anyway and you put in diarrhea, you will get 35 journal articles so that justin guadalajara and it's synonymous with diarrhea. because herbert you must, the godfather of diarrhea research has done more for counteracting diarrhea than

any man on the planet. he's since retired but he thought where our people getting sick? he said the lab and wallow guadalajara at the university using students as his study subjects and published papers at guadalajara. >> host: dear think the reason why he's never won a nobel prize is because they're embarrassed to call him up question mark. >> guest: he's probably on an egg noble. >> host: you dressed up at one point for this role as a newbie journalist in some of these situations. you are with a group called strategic operations where you had to, your role in the true theatrical read creation of a war scene, what was that like? what was the role you played? >>. >> guest: strategic operations is a big movie studio in southern california that is now used for training combat medics and needy

corpsmen who did medicine for the marine corps and because of the films that were made there used to be action films, war films so they are really good at violence, gore, loud noises and explosions so it's perfect for setting up these simulations and they have actors coming and it's hyperrealistic is the word to use. they've trademarked the world hyperrealistic so these medics and corpsmen are in training, they're coming in and they are immersed in this scenario and it's very intense. you've got pyrotechnics that they sound and they have dust hits and it looks like rifle fire is actually happening. they are our actors, some of them are entities who have eight latex sleeve on their stop. there's really impressive door and stage blood that is pumped at an accurate rate by

remote control for the bleeding and the lady corpsmen is putting the tourniquet on properly, the bleeding will slow. if it's not put on properly it continues to bleed and the actor gets very quiet and meanwhile the instructors are screaming and it's a very intense scenario so in order to get close enough so i could see what was going on, i requested a room and i don't know what to do with you and i suggested that i just play a journalist. i was typecast. so that's what i did. >> host: how did these doctors do in that situation? did they keep their calm? was there a reason to be feel confident about their abilities in the field? >> guest: it was a two day course, the first round of experiments, of the simulations versus the lab so it's a tremendous difference. the first one was, there'd be a guy who wanted to pick up a

stretcher and you have to coordinate picking up a stretcher . if there's a guy on the other end that doesn't know what patient is on, this one guy did that twice, once did it the wrong way so he was backing up and meanwhile the instructor is yelling, using a lot of words i can't use on c-span2. >> host: was this fun or were you terrified to be in the spirit? >> guest: your adrenaline gets going and just from the loud noises and startled from the gunfire, even though it's not real and that's what's important because the fight or flight response, it boosts the adrenaline. that's great if you need to fight or run away but if you need to cut emergency or apply a tourniquet, or apply pressure because someone's lung has collapsed, that's

not helpful for you. you need to do this in the worst physical scenario when you are flooded with adrenaline and that's you shaking, your hands are shaking so that's kind of, it wasn't so much i was afraid for my life but you definitely, it's not a relaxing afternoon. >> host: you became sort of a method actor. one thing i love about your books is you get to meet scientists you would otherwise never hear of, people who are sort of on the front lines of some really obscure form of research. what are the qualities that attract you as a scientist when you do these books western mark. >> guest: i don't know who they are going to be until i meet them. it's a testament to scientists in general that they tend to be really interesting people. i had no idea what george peck would be like. georgia tech worked for walter reed, the department of military entomology. he was fifth in line at the

pentagon and not what i expected. a very sensitive, philosophical soul who was, loves nature in all its forms including the magnet. maggots are used, i should explain. maggots perform this amazing function, they eat the dead tissue which encourages the growth growth of the new tissue area it's typically done surgically. but in world war ii these soldiers would come in with these horrible wounds and take the maggots out and the wound is doing great, it wasn't infected so george peck was using maggots at walter reed for iud injuries and ... >> host: iud injuries? >> guest: yeah, put this on me.

he goes, marry, when you're talking about soldiers, put iud. i'm sorry. [laughter] >> host: that's all right, we have time. >> guest: anyway, it wasn't iud, when an iud goes off because it's very explosive, it blasts all this debris and sand and dirt deeply into the wound so there's a lot of problems with infection so george peck was looking at bringing maggots into the armory of the surgeon and trying to get people okay with that but he said, he had me over for dinner and he said i have a clutch of maggots especially for you and when you arrive they will be the same age as the maggots we introduced into the wound. so i got there and we had dinner and i was finishing my

wine and george peck went away and he came back with what looked to me like a cut glass bowl with chocolate pudding area but it's actually raw liver. a clutch of maggots in there, happily feeding which is what maggots do. they love to eatand george was saying , he took a look and said put a couple of them on the fingertip and he had me look at them outside the context of the raw liver. maggots, it's all context. when you take them out of the running body or the liver, they are cute. they're kind of like the size of a cupcake sprinkle, they are very cute.and he was like, those little creatures, those mandibles can do what no surgeon's scalpel can do. we had this real tremendous respect and passion for these little creatures so i love someone like george peck. i didn't know that's what i was getting when i showed up

there . >> host: have you heard from george peck since the books come out? >> guest: just to thank me for the book. i didn't get any feedback. >> host: he and his maggots are some of the most memorable characters in the book and however many maggots. among the strangest programs you report on in "grunt" is the army's attempt to create a truly noxiousstink bomb but it wasn't really a bomb , was it? what actually is it? >> guest: you mean the world war ii or the more recent one? it's a malodorous, a nonlethal weapon, that is a horrible smell used to clear a room, if i had one here in my bag. it's actually not. i did have a malodorous called stench soup which was

the most effective. cross culturally in any context, this was the stink that everyone and feared and i had a sample and actually my idea, why am i not here tonight, i had an idea that perhaps the place i should open is with the republican national convention. [applause] wear with this metaphorically right now open . everyone holding their noses. >> host: that would be redundant. >> guest: yeah. so, but stench soup is interesting because that made the chemical senses center has a woman named pam dalton and she works with bad smells and i thought, you just sort of get something that smells like a latrine or whatever. she said actually, you start

with a latrine. in fact, this particular stench, she traveled around the world in her carry-on bag little bottles labeled vomit. bathroom malodorous, smelly feet, burnt hair. she traveled around and had people smell them and rate them were they pleasant, unpleasant? did you find this odor frightening, did you find it edible ? and it was very hard to find a smell that all around the world somebody would say, they would find it universally horrible. something like three percent of caucasians find the smell of vomit edible so the one that ... the one that one out was feared and hated all over

the world was standard us government malodorous. this is a compound developed in world war ii for testing latrine deodorizers. they had to have a standardized compound that really smelledrank like large , hot day, 300 men. that smell. so that was the starting point but it was a starting point because to have an effective malodorous you want something that's not at all familiar because if something is, if you can'tplace it, if you don't know what the smell is, it might be dangerous. now it's not only repulsive but it's scary, all the more reason to clear out a room . the other malodorous is the diabolical part. a malodorous that has a topknot which is the first thing you get when you take a little sniff because when you approach any smell you tend to be tentative. you're like, i don't know what is going to be, you take a little with sothe top note is fatally lovely and that encourages you and they keep it and inhale .

>> host: so if you are writing like a wine description for one of these malodorous, how would you describe it? >> guest: fruity and floral top note with a robust latrine sent. [laughter] and the resulting product was called stench soup. stench soup. >> host: you said, when you are on fresh air with terry gross who said that you are not easily disgusted and that's clear. but was there any moments in the writing of the this book where you wish even fora moment that you are writing about wine country , now or something? >> guest: um, no. really know. i think probably the closest would be pam dalton, when the lady sent a bunch of these files to me, well named files . really vile and those were

gag worthy. i'm not a dagger in general. it takes a lot to make me. >> host: where did you open them? >> guest: out on the deck area we were not opening them indoors. >> host: that sounds like fun. [laughter] i hope your husband ed wasn't grilling at the time. what was the most fun you had working on this book, what was the most fun thing you did? >> guest: ever since i saw, have you seen the film? i've been fascinated by submarines and the opportunity to go on board on was, it took a long time to set it up but it was really interesting. just fascinating. i'd say that was the most fun for me. >> host: being on a trident submarine. how long were you on the submarine? >> guest: four days.

>> host: did you have the run of the place? were you darting around everywhere? >> guest: there are parts of the submarine that are off-limits, they are classified information. if you go into the , i was in the enlisted crew lounge at one point and on a table in the corner is a printer, just a computer printer and it was labeled secret secret printer. secret printer. i kept hanging out in the crew lounge hoping somebody would communicate on the secret printer. i'd snatch it. no, so i couldn't go in, i tried to stay by the nuclear reactor because the idea is to stay down a long time. the idea is not to be seen or heard at all because it's strategic defense. it's a third of nuclear arsenal basically, a third arm of it so they are on track all down there under the water, it takes a long time.

they don't have to refuel. that's a nuclear reactor means. having to refuel. anyway, they can stay down a long time. i was only down for seven days. i went out with a group of respected commanding officers during a practical exam so i could go out and they went out and came back when they were coming back so that worked out well. >> host: where did you sleep, did you have your own room? was it deluxe accommodations. >> guest: the closest and their two accommodations on board are the people who, i was going to say have bedpans, it's a mattress pan. it's a bunk on the floor and they have some of them set up

in between the nuclear missile silos, the twentysomething nuclear missile silos but missile compartments kind of like the stacks in a university library. it's floor level but you have very high silos, four levels and very quiet, there's not much going on other than armageddon. there's armageddon or nothing. very quiet so the people who sleep there get a good nights sleep. otherwise you are packed four or five to a rack or on a rack, there are bunks and there's some submarines where depending how big you work you would have to get out while you were sleeping, have to get out and get back in. sort of go in all the way. >> host: you got to see a lot of different stages about how the military operates from the uniforms to the submarines to the work they are doing in surgery with general injuries. if you were the roach in chief of the armed forces and could suggest one change from what you've seen in the military, how something was

done, what would you tell the president or the commander-in-chief? what would you say you saw that you'd really like to see change? >> i guess the loveliest idea i came across in the whole book is something that was suggested in a brainstorming session at the right laboratories at wright-patterson air force base. in the 90s, it was a brainstorming session for nonlethal weapons and there was a guy there , malcolm kelly who had an idea that if you had a compound that created feelings of brotherly love, what i thought he meant is something that you could spray over the front and everyone would sort of suddenly go why are we here? we are all people. i love you. and that's how i interpreted it but then i contacted malcolm kelly and i said is that what you meant? he said no. i meant it would be something

where if you were in a foxhole you'd be worried about somebody picking making untoward advances. they basically weapon eyes homophobia. >> host: weapon eyes homophobia, i love it. >> guest: the first version, i thought that would be lovely and i had somebody who does israel to study oxytocin which you know, it's one of those supposedly, you can buy oxytocin, spray it in the meeting and they will buy your ideas the cause it creates, exactly. he said no because he said, we all try it once. we dosed it once and went out to dinner with the whole research staff and she we were all looking in each other's eyes a lot. at one point we decided list just goes spray this over the west bank and the gaza strip. >> host: you think anybody notices? >> guest: it's great for book sales. >> host: if you could add one more chapter to the book,

what would it have been? >> guest: i had planned to embed and apply and then accepted and i'm going to embed with the chaplain score. the chaplains go out with units and do the same thing in clearance, go out on a mine clearing vehicle looking for ied's and because they are right in there with the unit, it's the same risks but they have to have the ability to empathize in a way of other soldiers don't. i thought there was an interesting approach and i wanted to do that with the chaplain. the chaplain who doesn't carry a weapon and the chaplain's assistant has charges to cover the chaplain. and i'm like, who covers him? i was going to got go out with them i did the coalition group because it's not just the united states, this was afghanistan we are talking about so right now because it's during the drive down they were supporting bailey

in north, not long-term projects. i would like to embed, initially i had an idea that i wanted to embed with the six marine corps dental battalion. i don't know, there's a dental battalion and it fascinated me. the marine corps . but they were deploying anytime soon, they were doing some humanitarian work. i wanted to cover medevac and to be healing emergency trauma care in a vibrating helicopter with people firing rpg's and that's an intense night very. >> host: very challenging. it would've been logistically challenging and but i would have liked to include that i'm going to ask you one more question before we get to the q&a part. when you see these films, you

rarely see any of them carrying rolls of toilet paper. because i have about 2,000 of these. [laughter]. and i, i can't get rid of them all. >> okay. you have reengineer. >> i should bring them --

>> q&a. >> if you buy a book, you can certainly make, i have them at the table. >> q&a, statement moo from own reading of the book to be directed at mary which is, i had to jot this down to remember to say it correctly. the a lot of people talk about the gift you do and being funny in these situations. people don't talk about how hard it toys be a great writer. i want to say a word about the writing in "grunt." it is beautiful. it is your best-written book. the final paragraph in the book, in what my opinion most unlikely antiwar book ever written, literally moved me to tears. >> thanks, jeff. >> we'll take questions. i will pick who tells the question. mary will answer it. or do it other way around. >> we should switch it up. i have been doing this enough.

sir, wait until the boom microphone comes above you. >> are we ready? what is your next book? >> excellent question. i wish i knew. i don't know. i don't know what the next book is. i'm open to suggestions. if you get your book signed and something that is roachable, because i'm open to ideas. >> wait to get the boom mic. carlton. >> what is odd evident thing you found you wrote about in your book? what would be the odd evident thing i've. i found one. i learned that maggots breathe through their butt. that is pretty weird. [laughter]. among their many, many lovely features the mag to the breathe,

they go head down emerse themselves what they're eating, kind of like some people at buffet tables. they completely emerse their head and breathe through their butt. thank you for asking that, carlton. [laughter] >> yes. wait for the boom to come on down. then we'll -- >> my question is not as funny as that. my question is, i read several of your books and they take a lot of research, which some of this takes time to do the research. not like you can do it one day. >> amen. i know. >> do you write your books simultaneously or do you do them one at a time. >> oh, one at a time. yeah, one at a time. really each book is 15 little books. i have a new topic for every chapter and i'm always starting from zero because i don't know anything about it. yeah, i'm got sort of 15 chapters going at once.

i could do two at once. i would love to if i could. one at a time. one burner at a time is all i'm in my life. >> any questions from back in the room? i see a man in a sweatshirt or something. let's -- >> mary, i want to say thank you, that book is fantastic. i've been listening an audible and i find it listening to it meal times and before bed, leading to very strange dreams. i'm wondering if there was so disgusting you couldn't put it in the book? >> there was something so disgusting i couldn't put it in the book? not something that was too disgusting though. there are always with my books a few places where my editor just crosses it out and goes, no. [laughter] and sometimes it's too gross. other times, i'm trying to be funny in a place it is not appropriate.

so she did some of that. there was nothing that was, actually a couple of descriptions when i was at in the operating room with the surgeons who were showing me images, there were a couple of things she felt were a little too graphic. so he, yeah, there were a couple, yeah. but never anything i had the good sense to take out. >> you have sections about the euro general's surgery were press disturbing. >> good i left the other parts out then. >> thank you. sir. >> mary, would you say that your greatest short coming as a esteemed and highly successful science writer is that you work too hard or are you just a little too smart? >> a little -- that is the best question ever.

let's see, work too hard, too smart. well, yeah, definitely work too hard. yeah, i work, yeah, work too hard. get a life, mary. >> how are we doing there for questions? >> one more? here. >> i guess i have to ask, what is your, what is your educational or experiential background that led you to have such a skill in science writing? >> i have a ba in psychology. [laughter]. that's what i have. so i, my skill is in making an utter pest of myself with the people i'm interviewing and making them, treating them like tutors, unpaid tutors for hours at a time. that is my, that is my skill and expertise.

i don't have a background in hard science. i used to say i'm a background scientist. school psychologists, go hey, wait a minute. psychology isn't science. >> you have jobs before you were a writer. you were in the communications where? >> the zoo. the zoo? >> the. >> san francisco zoological society. >> what is your favorite animal? >> i, oh, monkeys, chimps, yeah. i'm a sucker for a chimp. [laughter] do we have one last question before we get on it the signing part of the evening? yes, you, with the green sweater. >> you with the green sweater on your feet. >> speaking of diarrhea -- >> all the best questions coming that way. >> i, i have used cipro, that drug.

military is not aware or doesn't? [laughter] >> write them a letter. >> yeah, cipro. this is faster than cipro. cipro is a pretty hardcore. they are aware of cipro. i think what a lot of people carry cipro. this would be even better and faster, better, faster, stronger. [laughter]. the six million dollar drug. all right. >> no more questions, i think we'll get on to the signing part of the evening. thank you all for coming. ladies and gentlemen, mary roach. >> jeff greenwald. [applause] >> thank thank you, mary. thankthank you, jeff. give us a second to redo the stage. if you want to purchase books, register is behind you. thank you, everybody.