take -- tape can you imagine the human christ we started grabbing surveillance tape and gunshot without probable cause of a gunshot being committed? we don't want to get inconvenienced anyone for couple of weeks. can you imagine what the reaction would be if we started unilaterally seizing purchase video in gun shops? do you think director comey that something the fbi would be comfortable duping -- doing without probable cause or some reason to believe a crime has been committed? >> the purpose of this line of questioning is i do not get why we are having a long hearing on the danger of terrorism in this country and we can even take baby steps of saying someone who is inconvenienced by missing a flight can have the same

inconvenience from buying an ar-15 that can kill a number of people in a short period of time that's on that same list. it is frankly astounding to me and i was really pleased to see last night that both presidential candidates agreed so i'm hopeful that the people who have refused to vote for this in his body anonymous committee will take a look at it. ..

a and i was much more couple about that in the visa waiver program. and i made it. >> i certainly appreciate that. >> you didn't even have to yell at me. >> i will say the answer is because there was kill people with knives, bombs and trucks. senator ayotte. >> thank you, chairman. i want to thank you all for your service for the country. director comey, wanted to follow up on one of senator paul's questions and start with this in terms of the making situation in orlando. i understand he was investigated, he was interviewed twice by the fbi and then the inquiry was closed, is that true? >> use energy twice during a 10 month, 11 month investigation and then the preliminary was closed. >> so in that investigation, was there any work done to see what is doing online? in other words, you interviewed him in person. was there anything look at to

see what he was doing online? >> as i understand it today there were no search warrants for the country living at his devices or the content of his -- >> i guess my question is, there's even work you can do without a search warrant, just publicly. was anything done to see what he was saying anything online or doing anything without going into getting a search warrant speak with in public, social meet? >> public space. to the fbi do anything? >> i don't think so at this point. >> okay. one of the things that as i understand from what i've heard, that was not done. and as a look at the situation, one thing that i was included in every investigation, even before we got to the level of looking for content is to see if there's anything in the publicly available space that individuals

your plan upon me the same or about terrorism, about any extreme figures. would you agree that would be a natural step in an investigation? >> may be and maybe that's one of the things we learned from our look back it would depend upon the investigation. this one -- sorry. this one had two sources who are speaking to including taping conversations with him. i think the case agent thought they had a pretty good factor into the state of mind. >> my question goes to are the lessons learnt that would've been done well in orlando. this one seems obvious to me, that you have an individual commits an extreme statement. you're anything done. when also that you could verify by second remains but it does seem surprising to me that there wasn't some kind of online work done in something so significant. so that you need is a deep concern to i hope you give us report exactly of what was done or not done in that instance. and i'm in the camp of one of

the things i know is important to the fbi because he testified before of the committees is one in the authority what's called the ect our fix of the electronic transactions record fix. can you find a significant other to this committee of why it's important? because having been a prosecutor for this i can assure you that in your basic child pornography case, internet predator case, i was able to get these types of records or telecommuting limited right now and while unique as depicted. >> sure. for many years we were able to issue national security letters which were issued international study case counterintelligence cases for telephonic transaction records and internet transaction records. not the content the people's calls for their e-mails but the ip addresses involved and to the community with on the internet and by telephone. summer years ago lawyers for some internet service provider

started to interpret the statute is that if you read the language it actually to what i think was a mistake should not allow you to use and nsl to get transaction records on the internet where you can get them on telepathy and interpreted that way. ethics we think because we think are presented to allow us to use nsl in both circumstances to allow us to get noncontent for telephone transaction records and internet transaction records. >> you would agree this is a common tool in criminal cases, just average criminal cases were not getting content but you're actually in many instances issuing a subpoena to get the basic electronic records and seems absurd to me we can't do that basic fix. and only failed us and by one vote cycle begin to give that authority. i wanted to follow up also on the most recent case where mr. rahami has been arrested. in that instance, i know senator paul had asked you about that but one thing come with the public reports of what is out there, it's my understanding

that he was actually flagged on the department of homeland security after he arrived back from pakistan, notified by the national targeting center based on when he was stopped at the airport. and that national targeting center as understate the center homeland security and as a result of that, that information was passed on to the fbi. later in august of 2014, his father make some type of report to them. i know, you know, with some connection to terrorism. and at that point that was also provided to the fbi. so the reports are that has never interviewed there. what i think we're trying to understand is is are basic steps that when you have someone traveling to pakistan and even

if they have family members there, we know that's a hub of terrorism and a very dangerous place. that flag and that travel history combined later with report or a family member reports that potential time with terrorism and yet know in person interview. can you help us understand, do you have enough people? is there some reason why he would not be interviewed? and what other things we need to learn from this? obviously want to prevent in the first place but when something like this comes to your doors, we want to make sure its follow up on so that we can do all we can with local law enforcement to stop these things before they start. >> thank you, senator. i will simply want to have that conversation. i don't want to have it now for two reasons. first, this is an active investigation. this guy is like an attempt to a fair trial and i do want to do anything that gives them an opportunity to claim we deprived him of that right. and second i don't know you. we will go back and look carefully the way we encountered

him and we'll find the appropriate form to get transparency about what we did well, we could've done better, what we've learned from it. we haven't done it yet because we're doing an active investigation site don't want to comment beyond that right now. >> i appreciate that i think it's really important question for all of us. number one, do you need different legal authorities? nevenumber two, do you need more agents? number three, was if something does that this individuals not interviewed despite these flags? if you look at the orlando situation, if we go back to sarnoff, each one of them putting together, what more do we need to do? what are the lessons learned and if you need additional support, we need to know about it very quickly. so thank you. >> senator tester. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to thank each one of you for being here today and thanks for the work you do. and a special thank you, this is less time in front of this committee. j., you brought up support for state governments on election tampering. could you give an idea of how

prevalent this is by foreign governments? >> we are seeing a limited number of instances where there have been efforts through cyberintrusion's to get into the online presence of various state election agencies. and one or two of them have been successful. others have not. but more broadly, just in the java environment, senator, were we have an increased level of sophistication, nation-state actors, hacktivist and so forth, we have been out there saying to state election officials, if you need help just ask us for it. they are getting in to the databases and changing votes, that's what they're doing?

>> no. no. that's not it. that matters are under active investigation. i think there's a limited amount we can say, but what we are seeing our efforts to get into voter registration rolls, the identity of registered voters, things of that nature. not to change the ballot count. >> and change -- not to change votes? >> no. >> sweet person -- register people who -- >> i cannot say that. >> all right. is this coming from one particular country? >> i don't believe that we have reached a determination of that nature to that extent. >> okay. we talked about the southern border a law. i would talk about the northern border. i do want to talk about that for a second in the arena of communications. we have been told by folks who work for you on the ground on the northern border to our gaps of communication on the northern border.

are you aware of those gaps, number one? are you what of those gaps of communication? do they exist? >> it's something i've heard about and a million interest in this. frankly i would not be surprised if there was some level of gaps and communications that should not exist. >> i guess the next question is, if you do have gaps, which is not unreasonable, something we need to work on to get fixed, do you have workarounds on those gaps to local law enforcement or highway patrol or municipal sheriff departments, whatever it might be? >> i would have to get back to you on that. >> could you check on that? if we are dead zones on the northern border, that is a particular problem, concerned that quite frankly is pretty basic. if you could find out and let me know. >> sure. >> that would be great.

i want to talk a little bit about, since this is your last meeting, jeh, about dhs. i mean, dhs is a behemoth of an agency. it's a behemoth and you've done a national job. i think the report to a number of committees. i think maybe 19, 119 congressional committees or subcommittees. >> dependent on you count, yes, sir. >> there may be less of it out. >> or there may be more. >> do you have any ideas, i can imagine number one 4 and the standpoint it doesn't make much sense to me, because how does come how things were? do you have any actions you think congress could do on your way out that would make your and accountability better and quite frankly more functional? >> first we have actually not

withstanding the number of committees and subcommittees, we have actually produced the amount of time it takes to respond to a congressional inquiry pretty significant since i've been secretary. and we dispense a lot of time responding to requests -- we do spend -- i read every letter that comes in at about half of them are from the same two people, no names mentioned. >> you are welcome. >> it's called oversight. >> you are not one of the two, no, sir. [laughter] the real problem with having so many committees being divvied up among so many committees, it's very tough to get any kind of comprehensive authorization of our activities through congress. that's the real substantive problem with having so many committees with oversight. >> is there a solution to that? i mean, is there a solution? should we just give it to this

one and be done with? >> i would say look good, in a perfect world, i would say one oversight committee for authorization from one committee for appropriations. just like by department of defense base. we had armed services, and when appropriations and that was it. fifa before any of the committee i got in big trouble. >> and this is for both you and for jim comey. canada has changed its policy with mexican strongly indicated others not much we can do about that. it's between those two countries, but this policy and i think i sent you a letter on it, in fact i enjoyed on a. i think he responded to and i appreciate that you read it. has this changed our posture at all towards the northern border because of potential appearance of loosening of travel restrictions? >> it depends on how they arrived into canada. by air, that's one thing. if it's on land that's another. i will say that we are building

information sharing agreements with the government of canada so that we have a better sense for who is coming in and am going across our border and into canada. i think we need to keep moving in that direction. >> last thing is, because it's been claimed a couple of times, do you see yourselves as only playing defense? >> that's an interesting question. when i was at dod sign off on a lot of targeted lethal force as consistent with law, i suppose i was on offense. i think it's inherent in the dhs mission that we are on defense. but it think it's also incumbent upon us to have an affirmative agenda for improving our mission in how we do this tried to develop. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> senator corker.

>> thank you, mr. chairman. first of foremost i want to thank you all for your work. it's incredible, the dedication of the you are truly patriots to our country and, obviously, what we all witnessed happening in new jersey and new york this past week is a further affirmation of the quality of your commitment to the security of our homeland. i appreciate you saying earlier, director comey, and director johnson, which is a multiple level commitment from local authorities as well as state and federal authorities. because we saw a commitment of police officers, for example, who literally took fire from a terrorist to save lives. i have reached out to the two gentlemen last week, and truly heroic work being done at every level of our government. secretary johnson, i've been very concerned and focused on

issues of rail security. it's something that i feel we are not doing enough, especially given the northeast corridor and where people travel along the northeast corridor by rail that in air travel. we've seen-bombs found at elizabeth train station or near amtrak, new jersey transit where millions ride in the state of new jersey. in 2007 congress passed legislation requiring the tsa and other agencies to put a number of recommendations that came out with the 9/11 committee. among them were several requirements with the tsa to issue regulations that would provide direction to public transportation agencies, railroads and bus companies in securing security training for frontline transportation workers. since the passage of the legislation, there've been several critical events from the brussels metro bombing to more recently again will do so in new york and new jersey train

station. if you look at it from a larger perspective since 2000 there's been more than 1900 attacks have been carried out against transit systems. globally resulted in thousands of deaths, about 4000, and 14,000 injuries. however, tsa currently has less than 800 full-time employees dedicated to protecting service district nation assets which is less than 2% of the agency's workforce. if you look at the proportion of what we are applying to air travel versus -- you see, it's almost as if we're fighting the 9/11 efforts and not really looking forward to what the attacks are. were seen consistently around the globe today. i have been discussing this with the tsa. staff have been writing letters about it i hope i'm not in your top two, but carefully have been pushing this for some time and it's becoming very frustrating to me. i just want to ask her specifically, can you please

provide me with the very specific timeline on when the tsa is going to finish its work on the 9/11 commission's recommendations, secretary johnson? >> yes, we can get to that timeline. beyond that i will say i'm also a regular user of the northeast corridor and new jersey transit comments i'm very familiar with rail security. frankly, i believe that tsa principal focus should continue to be aviation security. given that the streams that we all see. that needs to be their number one priority your idea that the real security mission as well but as you know, senator, we've got amtrak police, new jersey transit police to support that mission as well. but i would like to see us continue to develop that aspect of tsa's mission so that we are in a better place. >> i appreciate that and your commitment to give me a time

when the just an issue of proportionality, 2% going to service his petition, 90% going to aviation. in terms of proportionality doesn't seem to little out of whack? >> i want to think about that a little bit more. again, when it comes to rail we've got other security forces out there supporting the nation. so i would want to thank the weather that's the right to racial or not. i continue to be concerned about aviation and airport security and i believe that needs to be tsa's principal focus. speak i'm not arguing with that. again and looking forward to getting the time i. just real quick, director rasmussen and director comey, deeply that rahami was a part of the cell of the tears that were planning attacks? >> that investigation as i said earlier is open. we see so far no indication of a larger cell or the threat of related attacks. >> it's interesting you're

seeing a spike in violent extremism happening. secretary johnson, i appreciate his talk about terrorist diasporas like has never been seen before as we went on the ground, continue to win on the ground in syria and iraq. could you give me more about you why you think there is a spike went on and what are some of the root causes of this? >> well, what i was lucky but in terms of terrorist diasporas, we know thousands and tens of thousands by some measures of fighters have flocked to the so-called caliphate. many have died in battle and many more will die as the caliphate is crisp and talk about the future where to focus on -- >> could you just own it on 215. there's been a spike, right? this is an estimate result of against that we are making in

syria and iraq your do you have another understand of why we are seeing a spike in 2015 and seemingly in 2016 as one? >> we saw a spike in the united states hipaa moving toward violence because isil start investing in their social media campaign in 201 2014. to pay dividend starting in the spring of 2015 where troubled souls started to flock to it. electronically be motivated to move the files. we have made progress against that, against locking people up and disrupting some of the narrative and so the numbers have come down slightly. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> senator baldwin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i also want to explore, first of all, thank you for being here, appearing today and for your work. i want to continue to explore what you talked about, director comey, with regard to sort of

the impending terrorist diaspora when the caliphate is crashed. in your testimony before us this morning you talked about the fact that this is not an often r look area, that work is underway. and you assured us of that. i guess i would ask you and direct rasmussen about sort of which are early estimates are of what that is going to look like globally. and sort of the where, when, who. i understand the things that are, you know, that we have to know first when we consider action on the ground to be included. -- concluded. but i'd like to hear what your

current estimates are, and then what sort of strategic changes we should look towards domestically. let's go to the impact of the diaspora domestically? what sort of policy and resource implications does that have? realizing that we're not in a classified setting, tell us what you can't about that work underway. >> certainly, and then nick will both checked and i will probably make the more thoughtful into. i will take the first shot. certainly at least hundreds of fighters are not going to die in the coming crushing of the caliphate. the caliphate has been steadily losing territory. is going to come a point where we will be essentially crushed. i don't know exactly how to estimate that over the next couple of years.

through the fingers of the crash are going to come some very, very that people. and much larger diaspora then we saw, for example, out of afghanistan after the move again public with the soviets ended in the late 1980s. and so the most important way to prepare for that is to get ourselves together a special with our european colleagues. most of that flow is going to go up into europe from which it came. so that you miss them out of work underway including by the fbi in making sure people are take advantage of the data we gathered both in our terrorist screening center and investigation. and connecting themselves to us and the most important getting our european colleagues to learn the lessons we learned after 3000 people were murdered in our country 15 years ago, we broke down the barriers and get ourselves together. our eu colleagues must do that and connect themselves to us and our information better so that we can spot and disrupt that flow when it comes. >> i know my time is going to be for limited.

what i want to get to fairly quickly is the domestic implications and are planning underway for how we benefit from looking for the needle in a haystack, the lone wolf, the radicalized person, to those who may gain access to the united states in this diaspora, maybe well identified in advance your so if you could -- >> i will do 30 more seconds and then i would like to recognize this and follow. in a sense that's the threat we've been preparing for since 9/11. the external flow of a terrorist looking to come into our country. that's what we've made such tremendous progress. so to my mind it's about continued to do what we have done well, finding ways to improve that but really the central part of that mission is getting our partners outside the united states to learn the lessons and travel during with travel into thinking you're spent that much more quickly. >> just a couple points to apple but on the director's comments because i think what his point is exactly right.

what we succeeded in doing across both administrations of the last 15 years is creating an end to end watchlisting system that allows us to have confidence that if we have an identity we're very likely to be able to prevent an individual from getting into the united states. the problem is as the director said, actually there's a good historic and i think terrorist organizations look at us as a harder target as a result. they know it is harder for individuals to getting the credit than is due to western europe or other parts of the world. but the problem is we are not our own ecosystem, as the director said we are dependent in part of what our partners share with us in terms of the information they have. we are probably the most aggressive collectors of identity information about terrorists or potential terrorists of any country in the world. we can't capture it all, so we can get from our partners will give us the tools to identify someone at the border to put them on a watchlist to make sure they can't into the country.

i point to one last challenge and that is even as good as we are at this as much progress as we've made, it is still a name-based system and/or time it needs to transition to a biometrics-based system because terrorists over time have shown they have the capacity to innovate and they can help the kinds of documents that over time might be able to fool us. i think we would all be more culpable executive that we had a biometrics-based capacity to identify travelers at the border a potential terrorist broadband a name-based system. >> and you for the answer to havhave a minute left so much on google answer on the record but let me present the question, try to bring this from this impending diaspora to sort of domestic implications. secretary johnson, i wanted to just highlight something that is concerning me in my home state. and that is the availability of

grant resources for local partners. so in the population, largest population center of our state, surrounding milwaukee, there are a fusion center, analysis center, recently actually worked with the fbi to thwart a terrorist attack in that city. unfortunately, they've had to reduce their full-time personnel by two-thirds. we milwaukee no longer qualified for the urban area security initiative funding, the uasi funding. under the risk formula. and i know that they could use additional funds. to give an increase in attacks on soft targets across the country, would you agree that there's a need for increased grant funding, and can you report back, give will not have time for it answer on the

record, on the threat portion of the formula involving, evolving in light of the uptick in soft targets it was the second you can respond in writing about that. secretary gordon. i mean senator portman. >> i.t. i don't know that is a promotion. i think it is a promotion, thank you. let me start by thanking all three of you for -- >> i assure you it is not a promotion. [laughter] spent i tried director. that wasn't much better. and ambassador. thanks to all three of you. you guys are helping everyday to keep our country safe, and no one is infallible nor is our system as we've seen because there have been gaps and problems want to thank you for your service today. i am deeply concerned that today's. one is a homegrown terrorist threat. we talked about that before. i continue to believe that our online presence is not what ought to be particularly the

counter narrative. moving from some of the services like twitter which is good but they're going to excite as director comey said. we still are not figuring out who has responsibility for that you want to get another topic somewhat as did respond to that but i ask you some questions, more detailed questions in writing regarding who' who is in charge and how are we going to get the best minds working on the counter narrative to what we're seeing online even today, can take is to attract some of your and people. the second one is just the intelligence issue. both you, director comey and director restless and talked about today. utah's a few months ago go you concerned about this issue. talking about foreign fighters and other jihadists gathering in two to five years as you said this morning been one of your major concerns. utah's rick gaps intelligence, particularly in which you call the crucial zones of conflict.

so to me this is a critical issue and was just raised by one of my colleagues, but how to get that intelligence so when people are scattering and director rasmussen, can you talk about the need for biometrics because people can change their identity as we've seen in the european situation. these are the two concerts most pressing for me. if i could raise another issue, the 9/11 hearing, there is legislation would work on thanks to secretary johnson bring it to us, fema wants is very much to codify and to protect some of our urban search and rescue volunteers. we relied firefighters and other experts to come together and form these task force of the we are proud of our task forces in ohio. we wrote legislation, report of this committee in athlete on may 25 with the support of fema and the minister should be ranking member carper is a cosponsor. senator baucus a cosponsor. it agreed to cut help to get this thing done. we have had on the floor for a while with no success getting what's called a hotline, getting

ago to prove it since it is not going to pursue. i'm just announcing today a plan to go on the floor and offer it under unanimous consent because we cannot figure who is blocking it. we can imagine someone would want to block this. on 9/11 i was here, my wife was visiting, every visit to washington actually, and ninth avenue. she got the last rental car at a enterprise at washington and drove straight home to be with our kids. as she was driving on some roaming i were in pennsylvania, ohio task force one is coming the other way. lights were flashing. she recognized them. they were driving into danger. i have known a lot of the men and women involved with the task force including men who went that day on that trip who did go into one's way. they deserve this protection to this protects their job when they get back. protects them from liability, protects them for their insurance. it's commonsense stuff. one, i want to thank the

international sensation of firefighters, what you think you mechanism does this and helped us to move. .. >> >> can we did tell little deeper to was responsible in our government to provide that counter narrative? this is something the government does well the week have been able to look at the videos of the jihadist and murders that are putting out there to show terrorists providing tnt to children at a

playground and receive that narrative so hasn't been very effective. and who is responsible in our government and how can we insure to get the private sector involved complex some of the homegrown terrorism looking at orlando or san bernadine know or cincinnati so much of that is encouraged by online messaging. >> first the counter message , given the nature wouldn't be credible if it was the government's message a pass to be involved in the community to the extent we have a role to facilitate

that partnership getting people together in the room to develop the counter message. in my department the office of community partnerships at the moment is leading the interagency task force of fbi and others to draw from all agencies the best talent , mines, the task force was put together one year ago. no one department has a corner on this but i do have a department devoted to countering violent extremism and kennedy involvement to a amplify the counter message. >> have you seen their work? >> happen to. i have seen the work on mine i think it is a broader message also by the by encouraging through grants

and state department grants we want to see them do the same thing we are encouraging people to develop these kinds of materials and encouraging innovation. but inherently it is not a government message. >> i and understand that not being effective but we also cannot just allow that to show -- not be the counter message because government does not organize it. if you can get young people to go online voluntarily then it is incredibly important. we will follow-up with more specific questions but of a task force efforts are compelling that to change minds to persuade people. >> director why was cheryl

granted immunity from secretary clinton quite. >> the department of justice wrote a letter to cheryl mills voyeur that gave her active production 74 the production of her laptop not for her but we will not use directly against to anything we recover our blacktop that this a common tool but that's what it was then the judge was really to get to the laptop to see what it is this investigation is going on for one year it was a tool that earlier asked for and be granted to get the laptop. >> would she then secretary clinton's lawyer with her interview with you quick. >> our understanding she was acting as a member of her legal team. that is not the fbi's job to

say who can beat in the voluntary interview if it was judicial the judge may rule but that is not something we can do anything about involuntary interview. >> secretary clinton said use of dash first eight meant were truthful. is that accurate? >> as an investigator i look at the world in an odd way provide ever say anything is truthful or i believe the aum but to have evidence to establish that it is not truthful? so when i testified about this in july, we did not develop evidence that led us to believe they were not truthful speetwo think cheryl mills destroyed the laptop clucks and then why this negotiation purses the grand jury subpoena quick. >> it was the lawyers laptop

the grand jury subpoena would likely be entitled for very long time over privilege by june of this year i wanted laptop we wanted that laptop the best way to get it was renegotiations. >> do you think any laws were broken by cheryl mills quick. >> we have no evidence to establish a committee crime. >> did secretary clinton break annualize with classified data quite. >> we have evidence sufficient to cover 20 conclusion. >> is there any distinction between that statement to say no prosecutor would bring charges and? the day that you made your announcement quick. >> another way to look at that. but no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case. >> secretary johnson last weekend-- said anywhere

between 800 and 1800 individuals were accidently granted citizenship and? what is the exact number? >> somewhere around 750. with us -- general settled law this number but not all 858 were granted citizenship >> can you distinguish that category? were any of them from special interest countries? >> not offhand. i cannot give you that breakdown of he and. -- off the and i can provide do that but i will say senator that we have been reviewing all of these cases as we go through the process to convert physical

fingerprints to digital and there is a process under way right now. and investigation, law for those who should not have had a naturalization of what had occurred and we will continue to do that. >> or any of them from iran or syria or libya quick. >> i have to check. i don't know sitting here. >> how would you not know that? why would that not be something that is urgent for you to wonder stand with the category pdf? ltd. is sacked i adjust cannot give that to you in front of me i do not want to be wrong. >> were any terrorist white. >> i have no basis to believe that they were or suspected terrorist. >> this is a legacy matter going back to the 1990's we

have been denaturalize seeing people through the process. >> 750 people that were under deportation orders so it would seem that offensive for defensive question are there any more defense then knowing if they were a terrorist or a likely terrorist'' >> i agree what is the priority? that is why we go through this process right now to investigate with the resources that we have. >> but in the 11 days that he became aware you did not check if they were from libya or syria? gimmicks' sitting here right now i cannot give you the answer it is important but i can i give you the answer to the question i don't want to be wrong. >> director comey i think the ig said least two of

them had previously been referred to the fbi for up possible terrorist linkage. with the ig reveals as the nebraska understands they say they referred to the fbi your agency is talking to each other? >> five will find out after the hearing i am highly a confident to look at it is just as and reached the director yet. >> i know i am at times he may have to answer later but with the digitized fingerprints how long has that process been going on quite. >> over the next nine months

>> before we had digitized fingerprints we had a process to decide who to let into the country so that is not a sufficient excuse. what happened to grant these seven to 50 people to be deported how were they granted citizenship quick. >> at a time when the conversion was not complete. therefore the opera since examining the records did not have the old fingerprints from the paper records is what happened. >> thanks for being here today. secretary johnson if i can start with you, on june 29 senator grassley introduced a bill called sara's lot with a mandatory detention provision to require the

federal government to take custody of anybody in the country illegally to was charged with a crime resulting in death or serious bodily injury. we have talked a lot about this lady it was named in honor of a young woman that was killed and a drunk driving accident in omaha nebraska and behind the wheel of the other vehicle was a man in the country illegally driving from three times over the limit. with local law enforcement reached out to ice to detain the driver, and they declined to do so and subsequently he posted bond and remains at large. in a letter i received in may i acknowledge that simply put he should be in

custody and his detention should have qualified as an important federal interest pursuant to the detention policies outlined in an ad memo circulated 2014. since then we have been told by vice the have instructed the field offices to consider anyone in the country illegally who kills an american to be important federal interest in a priority for detention and deportation. for the record i cannot believe that this was not a top obama administration priority to begin with. regardless of what happens in the field offices, we have not received any confirmation that it truly was said in the field offices. we don't know if this is a policy of ice or not. there is no written confirmation.

can you confirm they have been instructed to detain illegal immigrants those that are charged with the death of an american citizen >> i believe i can. i am very familiar with the case progressed have exchanged correspondence on this tragic topic. we have reiterated today feel that my direction that there is an important federal interest provision from what i issued november 2014 that has been sent to the field and just yesterday i was looking at the numbers in detention and it is reflected in the implementation of policy. we are dictating more people when somebody in the field judges that to be an important federal interest. >> you know how many times that has been used quite. >> not of time but it is reflected in the statistics

we are seeing now. >> so we are seeing increased and the people being detained by ice? >> yes ma'am. >> you have any updates on where he is located? >> i do know from my communications with the senators along with local law enforcement are looking for him. >> to believe him to be in the country or elsewhere? >> i could not say. >> director rasmussen onto a different topic, in your testimony you noted having passed the 15 year mark since the 11th of terrorist is broader in wider and deeper than it has been at any time since that day.

would'' the issue i have been focused on is the rise of isis it is southeast asia are you concerned with this? what do you believe to be the potential impact on national security question but it is a terrific question. just returned over the last two weeks myself i was concerned looking around of world are for burble populations in a number of countries where the isil ideology could find fertile ground. the . after 9/11 was an active theatre for outside at affiliated organizations. for the u.s. interest of former partners read no looking back there is the potential hot zone where isil could find a

possibility to take root. we were to regain age with the intelligence partners to do exactly what director comey was talking about with the exchange of information to get ahead of the foreign fighters with iraq or syria and to connect with back given their home countries. the same phenomenon of europeans so we apply many of the same tools. >> four director johnson and director comey with those elements in southeast asia is there any implications to those potential members from isis or other directed affiliated groups? d.c. them travelling into the united states?

>> we continually reevaluate our targeting rules that we apply for how we assess someone entering the country. based off the threat streams , we adjust to those so when people seek to cut here at the ports of entry, whether secondary or denied altogether. >> that the red underscores the importance of conducting ourselves to the partners in is southeast asia to put them into the database. >> thank you very much. >> mr. chairman, i'd think you. first of fault director comey tanks for coming to north dakota to address a

critical problem across indian country which is the lack of criminal justice support for the native populations. and you saw the dramatic increase of the drug crime in particular battle so sexual assaults. many communities that i visit with tell me they feel under siege. right challenge them to say whether you're doing base say the community is terrified. we may have a disagreement for additional resources that we want to know what it takes to staff up these communities with the unique role the fbi plans -- plays with the indian country with primary jurisdiction. just some quick points for the record but one of the trends that i have seen with the of high profile instance

of the mass shootings is a background history of finance -- violence. looking at the system how domestic violence plays into this and how we paid more attention to those early warnings of a violent background, not everybody who has an act of domestic violence is a terrorist but like those circumstances we see more of that supply would follow up with domestic violence and water redoing to close those loopholes. secretary johnson with the northern border, obviously very concerned about staffing. i appreciate your response to the question about the

need to continue our collaboration. we are blessed on the northern border with a relationship with law-enforcement that has been historical a very collaborative weekend double the impact on the border if we in france to work this administration started with the canadian government. drugs on the border i have spent time on the southern border but now concerned about trafficking in person they do believe they are coming across the border in recent bric day picture of a cannon at that would shoot marijuana across the border. pdf going back to the questioning of the discussion or the diatribe with director comey, one of the challenges that we have is methamphetamines $600 an

ounce down at $300 per ounce. i do believe that is supplied driven more and more is coming into the country and we will have a logical discussion about issues regarding immigration we need to take a new look at border security to make sure we do everything we can to respond to what people on the ground are seeing. i appreciate all of men and women to work for your agency doing a terrific job. the upgrade work you we're doing in terms about reach to communities that potentially could become radicalized some of that is almost every community in our state in area you have done a great deal of work we have populations moving to minneapolis tottery take that more broadly and you're

not as concerned about radicalization. the message coming from the government may not be the most helpful but how do we get that message into the community and build that long-term prospects. >> if i don't make it to fargo others will. >> is that the visitor center greg. >> the immediate answer if community leaders could be encouraged to apply for grants in the future. to the counter violent extremism the canadian like fargo could benefit.

>> is community policing model where we have dialogues to build the trust is how we will do a much better job defending the homeland the best defense is of great offense the best proactive measures. i hope in the exit of this administration it is a project that will recede high priority at us department of security i yield back. >> gentlemen banks for being here and what you do for the country you stay at it all day every day allotted goes on the most people don't know. you also can appreciate our second-guessing looking over your shoulder with accountability but we appreciate your work.

secretary johnson pass on my appreciation as well. with the serious transitions that is in a process cason from the committee from me. with my state as well as a parochial statement we had conversations before of real identification behalf of private system to issue a driver's license so that is an ongoing process to figure out a way to fulfill that because of our unique system. in those that people typically don't mind because it is a private entity and it takes about five minutes. that is untrue in a lot of states in research triangle to lose that part. i appreciate the flexibility. talking briefly on several issues, the growth of

violent extremism. that is trending the wrong direction how people are inspiring those in the united states with the flash to bank so what qc with the homegrown quebec violent extremism and the trends? >> we continue to work the cases assessing where somebody is on the of consuming to the acting spectrum that is unpredictable. >> it is not illegal to look at the service peseta made then day turn violent fairly quickly but not all of them do. is a protected speech to say i am a fan of the islamic state. we have to figure out where

they are there are still 1,000 open investigations there is any good news is that the rate of increase has slowed a little. i hope the follows the same trajectory but it hasn't headed down on word yet we are still opening and closing in picking up slightly. >> those that have returned back to europe? we have a limited number what are those that travel to the region from the united states? >> it is in the dozens. >> so we are in the thousands returning to europe how are we doing tracking those coming into the united states? >> first of all the added alatas security around the peace of waiver program.

we have more information through the electronic system that has been a productive exercise all of the people have traveled as a result of the added security. >> give me a number of lots of people. >> i have seen the statistics but in the of first year when we added questions to the electronic system for travel authorization i believe as a result we denied i believe is the thousands. / year congress passed security which has also limited the ability to travel here visa free and if you come here from those countries you cannot come

here visa free and more broadly we will continue to work with the e.u. to share of the data with more federal air marshal agreements fell and more pre-clearance with that football analogy we are defending on the 1 yard line. so that is an opportunity on the front and. we had a number of foreign airports interested to build that with us and we will do that. >> secretary johnson as an internal issue with oversight one deals with h.r.. went vhs was formed the number in 2011 was 442.

with those different systems dealing with the h.r.. 2011 came and d.h. just said there are many areas and 77 projects to accomplish. gao said and 2015 of those projects named only one has been accomplished and of those 77 projects i believe two or three have been completed. i am trying to figure out with the 2015 and 2016 where will we be allowed to compile this infrastructure? indicate good question as the initiative we try to streamline the process to reduce the system's i have to get you exact number but i do know gao has been

complementary to address the high risk items for some time in the not too distant future. >> that is helpful to know to track internally. of the 148,000 fingerprint cards where are we to get those digitized quick. >> nine months. >> to be complete by. >> nine months from now. >> with drug enforcement you have been so much on your plate you have a very unique connection with the gay involvement to destabilize central america and the movement of drugs with immigration issues and grief from families so give me an update of drugs in the united states.

>> the two major trends to highlight nearly all of the heroin and it methamphetamine is being produced in mexico now. . . we have as result oversight pretty much over the entire federal government. we also have legislative

jurisdiction which we've tried use with secretary johnson in trying to codify some of the good work he's doing, improving the department of homeland security. but we also have legislative jurisdiction over national security procedures and federal records. i would be remiss in my duties as chairman if i didn't tell all of it in terms of what the mishandling of classified information by the former secretary of state. classified information, protection of it is extreme import. if we mr. sandalow classified material you can put people lives at risk. -- if we mr. sandalow. if our adversaries have access to it can change their tessellation, their behavior may change. the best possible thing i can get would be e-mail communication by negotiating partners configure whether coming from. let's face it. if adversaries have dean mills

the potential to live a government official. a handling classified of information is incredibly important issue. it's something incredibly important to protect. director comey, when all is said and done there were seven e-mails that are so top secret that not one member i believe this committee, maybe some people in the intel committee can access an actual but those things. in your investigation we able to look at those are any member of the fbi? >> yes, because i the appropriate clearances. that was a special access program to do that material as it all the investigators and analysts working on the case. >> it does say something when members of this committee do not have access to it, correct? these e-mails in your investigation were obviously outside the classified system, correct? >> there on an unclassified system in fact. >> clearly outside the classified system. anybody be willing to secretary understood that, correct?

it's obvious when you're singing to whether it's to state department.gov todd knight class or clinton dot inc. would be no handle was, correct? >> i'm not sure that individual e-mailers understood what the sector's e-mail address was. it was invisible. it was just -- >> how about -- >> everybody e-mailing you they were not unclassified system. >> that's the only system that should be used for classified material. it's not like you five different penal systems you should be communicating our nation's top secret, correct? >> correct. the fbi has three systems. you're supposed to use or obvious reasons the system appropriate. >> if not you are mishandling classified materials because y yes. >> in your press conference you said no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case but, in

fact, there are a couple cases i just want to see if you're a well. decades of naval reservist brian shamrock in afghanistan 27 -- 2007-2008. he wasn't prosecuted because he pled guilty. a judge fined $7500 he was ordered to surrender his security clues. another case was james hit sullenberger, ma a contractor, translator at the naval base in bahrain. he pled guilty to a misdemeanor for mishandling documents in 2014 the he listens to time served after two months and eight months of home confinement. how are those cases different than what happened with the former secretary of state? >> all the cases that were prosecuted, including i know that i went through 40 years of case up in june and july at the almighty. i don't remember exactly the second i'm confident all of the cases that were prosecuted

including the misdemeaned involved obstruction of justice, vast amounts of vitriol handle it's a joy it was clear they intentionally mishandled. huge amount of stuff that he tried to destroy. once investigation began. they were aggravating factors to lead the department of justice to bring those cases. >> did you look at any aspects of any abstract addresses many of the players of this episode? >> sure. >> on march 2 "new york times" reporter for the first time secretary clinton a it personal e-mail account. on march 3 chairman gowdy sent a letter to secretary clinton requesting a reserve -- richard aregood. chairman gowdy issued a subpoena, and some of the to march 2 and march 31 plant river network employees basically destroyed evidence. is that not a destruction of justice? >> we looked very hard to see there was obstruction of justice the one of the people the grand -- people grant an interview with the fellow involved in

delete this after the public notification. we looked at a very hard. we could not make an obstruction case against any of the subject we look at. the department granted immunity to the ones already raised the steps that we could take it to anybody tell you to do this quest did anybody ask you do this to see if we could make an instruction case. we couldn't. >> my concern when all said and done, both what secretary clinton is that by not prosecuting anybody in this case we really do signal the two tiered justice system. what is that going to do entrance of other people that are charged with responsibility properly handling class of information? are you concerned about that in terms of what action should of taken? >> i very much disagree with your characterization. and would recommend prosecution it would've been a two-tiered justice system because we have been recommending it in ordinary circumstances we never would have consented to michael us to treat people fairly without regard to the rank in life.

this case was done in that way and the decision was made in that way. to do otherwise would've been two-tiered very proud of the work we did. i know it generated controversy but i'm very proud of the work we did. >> i have just a couple seconds i won't go down my next line of questioning. i might go to a second round arthur brown. senator carper. >> thanks, mr. chairman. anything else you would like to say with respect to the question, the last question from the chairman? >> i don't think so, senator. >> and would like to ask, something submit for the record. it's basis of the exchanges between secretary clinton and former secretary of state, colin powell, who was one of my people i most admire. >> without objection.

>> i want to pay -- pivot and change the subject of this will be one for secretary johnson. i would like to talk about in -- i'm a fan of a lot of acronyms and not clear to me why we would sort of instead of calling an agency by name, tell you what it does, we called this one in tpd, the national protection and programs directorate. i understand very much support your efforts, the departments effort to streamline that particular entity and actually to go buy something that explains or conveys what you act responsible for doing the instead of calling it nppd, they call it cyber and infrastructure protection agency, which makes a lot of sense. as my father would say that's common sense, tom. talk to us about why streamline

and name change is appropriate, please. >> first so the name is simpler. i always have to think about what is nppd stand for, and it's a very generic name. we need an agency of our government devoted to cybersecurity. the substance behind our proposal to restructure this thing is so that nppd sheds some of its less critical and more administrative nation, and focuses on just two things. cybersecurity and infrastructure protection. and focuses on both in a way so the two missions are merged your we are to have a focus on the cybersecurity of critical infrastructure, and thus hypersecretive infrastructure. we want to take those two missions, putting together, have a lot of the same people focus on both those missions in a more

effective and efficient agency called the cyber infrastructure protection agency. we need an agency devoted to those two very important things. >> i approve that message. >> it will require an act of congress to make all that happen, which is why we are seeking we are seeking alpha this committee spent talk about einstein to understand the department has made a lot of progress on implementation of the new cybersecurity information sharing portal and on einstein. these are as you know really important programs that can help us on in the cybersecurity front across our federal government as well as in the private sector. i would like for you to drill down more on these two programs if you would, a status, and other any agency juergens about not meeting the statutory deadline? i think it is december of this year. what is the status of the cyber information portal that we

established at the department of homeland security? our company started to share their information? >> we are as you know deploying einstein 38 right now jesse billy to block unwanted intrusion into those of in.gov system. about a year and half ago we only covered about 20% of the federal civilian workforce but did as was it were up to the 65%. we have m.o.u.s with all but three cabinet level departments. i scheduled a meeting with the second one of those cabinet level departments and lo and behold the m.o.u. fell into place before we had a meeting. >> you have to schedule a couple more meetings. >> the other two i'm confident we'll have very soon as well and those will be the last three large remaining ones. i'm not referring to anybody at this table here. and i believe we're going to meet the statutory deadline. >> that would be great. >> i think it is critical we do

that. >> a little bit status federal of the information sharing portal that is being established at the dhs, please. >> we now have automated information sharing at the nccic. we put in place in march of 2016, and so it's now a matter of getting agencies and companies online with this new capability. we have the intelligence community. we are the law-enforcement community, the fellow got online with this. a few of the departments and we have a number of large companies in the private sector and information sharing organizations there's a lot more to do. so i'm continually loading this new capability in the private sector in particular, and so that's a work in progress. >> i think i mentioned i went down to the federal law enforcement train center in georgia. i was well impressed by what i saw. a wonderful day with a lot of

great, dedicated people doing good work for our country. i want to talk, move onto tsa and the training and county -- training academy. -especially impressed with steps the apple has taken. called me and said we've got, consider the confirmation for head of tsa, a guy named messenger. a three-star admiral, a good one and boy, you're right. give us the flavor and update on ftse has been doing. holiday doing? >> well first, at a peak was sworn in i ended in a 10-point plan for improving aviation security. in reaction to inspector general corporate testing last year. tsa is an excellent job at implement in that 10-point plan, including investments in new

technology and less manage inclusion at airports. a longer line where you take to perforperform a longer line andt them in a shorter line. that contributed to the additional wait times that we saw this spring, along with increased travel line it we addressed that with the permission of congress, expediting the hiring of new tsos and converting a lot of them from part-time to full-time to we've addressed the weekend. we are continuing to invest in new technology and we have to build back that workforce. we have a long-term plan with congress to do that. >> mr. chairman, may be just another minute and this is the last time we will probably have jb force. as much as i admire and respect -- jeh before us. -- mr. kohl me and nick i just want to say what a joy it's been to work with you. thank you for your leadership. our job was to try to make sure

you were surrounded by first rate team, and the folks that you and the president gave to us to consider you are a first rate team. we are really pleased with that. ever since this department was created, they have suffered from bad morale. all these different agencies all over the place. makes it hard to communicate to work together. we didn't have leadership at the top and we've tried to provide support financially. the morale of the agency is finally turned. it's better. could you just take a minute and talk about that and give us what advice would you give to your success on the boards of continuing some of the reforms that the department. >> i would say it's important to continue what we have begun, particularly when it comes to employee satisfaction. returned the corner and i hope that continues. the deputy secretary and i did

this year 55 employed engagements in 22 different cities to your concerns, to meet employees. we have a more transparent hiring system and a more transparent emotion system. we have as you know departmentwide mission statement and we've been stressing to our workforce importance of the mission and i think people are responding. i think it's significant to note the levels of employee satisfaction went up most significantly in the immigration components, ice went up seven full percentage point. custom border patrol went up -- very large government agencies in and of themselves. i'm very proud of the progress think we need to continue that, along with making our department more centralized, must still fight, more streamlined. i hope that happens and i would note that it was members of this committee including you in

particular, tom, that told me that management reform needs be one of my priorities if i'm confirmed. it has been. >> senator peters. >> thank you, mr. chairman your thank you to our witnesses here today. i thank you for your service every day and defense of our nation together very tough task and to perform it with professionalism and passion, thank you for that. also want to say thank you to secretary johnson who i know this may be your last appearance. university many of my college measure average. i want to join in the course. appreciate your efforts particularly in michigan, many trips you made to our state, particularly to engage the community as i'm sure most folks are aware. we have a very large middle eastern publishing in michigan. one of the largest can't -- compilation do it. i know that's been part of your efforts to make sure that this is a community approach to dealing with the threats that are there.

you were recently there in august, we spoke briefly before the beginning of any. you were meeting with some police officers of middle eastern descent. a few which is briefly i think folks did you know what's happening in a vibrant middle eastern canary in michigan and that i can be a template for how we handle this issue around the country. >> senator, you have in michigan some really dedicated, terrific dhs personnel who took the initiative to form this middle eastern law enforcement officers association which consist largely but not exclusively dhs people, customs, immigration, tsa centered around the detroit dearborn area. i went out there for a visit to meet with them several months ago. i think it was january here i was really impressed and encouraged them to grow nationally for a couple of recent. one, community outreach. two, recruiting.

and three, cultural sensitivity when it comes to others in law enforcement. went i went back in august i was pleased to see that they were having a national bubble meeting. their organization has grown. i'd like to see this concept grow across the entire federal government. and so i am encouraged them to do that. i encourage you to get to know these people and support them as well. they are a terrific group centered right there in your state. >> i appreciate your efforts in shepherding that forward and giving this what they need to continue to grow. hopefully we will be able to involve all sorts of agencies both local and federal in that kind of community. i also want to change course a little bit and just talk about some potential future threats. i know -- in nevada discussed today, you're actively engaged. i step and i think about some the future threats that may be there and i were adequately prepared. one area i have thought about

and when it's in testimony before our committee not long ago that with biodefense and bioterrorism, the potential for the. we from secretary ridge and senator lieberman regarding some fun things from the blue ribbon study panel on biodefense. basically declared the united states is unprepared for a biological threats. the government accounting office also has found the biodefense enterprise is fragmented, it's like a strategic oversight necessary force efficiency and accountability. so i'm concerned a bioterror attack could be the next threat that we have to deal with and we need to be prepared. secretary johnson come on particularly interested in the dhs use of biological program developed to provide early detection of a bioterrorism event. as you know last year the gao identified flaws with a biologically it is impossible to test it in an operational environment. could you give us an update on by a watch and some of your

efforts? >> it's been a focus of mine. we have an office and a mission dedicated to the threat to the homeland. i would be happy to give you a more full written report on exactly where we are with biowatch. this has been a focus of mine and of this is been a focus of others including secretary ridge. and the way i look at it, there are threats and all three of us do with us everyday, there are threats of high probability of there are threats that are perhaps less low probability but high impact, high cost and we've got to be responsible to keep our eyes on all of it and that includes the chem bio threat. i can gauge report. >> ivillage of multiple threats

and yet make those assessments on iraqi bases but something of this nature as you mentioned even if the probabilities may be lower at this time, the impact is significant. when you look at some of new technologies that are coming on board in biotech, crisper technology for example, which could be used in some very nefarious ways sort has incredible potential but also you can buy these kids fairly inexpensively and could present some significant issues. in my remaining time i want to touch on cybersecurity, another area that is critical for us and perhaps i guess the threats we have as a country. i had the opportunity to meet yesterday and visit with folks at nsa and with cyber command and on it goes by the cooperation i saw. i know a couple of you mentioned about how we are not working together on cybercom all the agencies come together. i saw the first in the it was refreshing to see. i would like a brief comment on a very icy as a probability that we have to be thinking about is when it comes to cyber risk its

usually the weakest link is where the bad guys are going to go. although the agencies have hardened systems, our department have done, i think a small local governments, small businesses, others, we know some of the attacks that we've seen cyberattacks have gone through contractors that are small contractors tied to a large organization. so i see some significant threats potentially to local governments, municipalities as well as small business. are the things we should be doing in congress to aid those efforts would sign all three of you are very aware that. >> i will start real quick. parsable unappreciative of the law congress passed latch on cybersecurity which has greatly aided what we do in dhs your we talk about the weakest link. the weakest link is always the employee proposal to in act. so the very basic thing that all of us need to do is raise employee awareness among our

respective workforces to the hazards of spear phishing. the most sophisticated attacks arvery often occur just simply through an active spear phishing. >> senator corker? >> director comey, i'd like to change the direction of the questioning, specific issues of race in america. there's been a lot of talk recently about law and order and you and i both come you and your -- had a city with a high level of violence and crime. really did focus on law and order. it's critical important. critically important. but we make a distinction between law and order which is a baseline, but we seek a higher level of standard, and that is justice. we pledge allegiance to this idea of liberty and justice for all. we look at our highest ideal is on the supreme court building,

equal justice under the law. in birmingham in 1960 there was law and order but there was a clear lack of justice. many people complain when some rabble-rousers outside agitators demand literally breaking the law actually, what expose the fact there was law and order but without justice. now, king wrote eloquent in the letters from the birmingham jail about that distinction. really focusing on a difference between law and order which he used germany and other areas as places that have law and order but didn't have justice. we are americans and we strive for that ideal. what frustrates me is 50 years from the time, we still seem to be dealing with a lot of the same issues. the kerner commission put forth by johnson and 50 years ago was seeking to diagnose why there was so much violence and rioting in the city as well as nonviolent protest going on.

the report i did not please visit us as the most common cause of riots and criticized the over policing of black neighborhoods. now, what frustrates me is that you read the corner report, we the letters from the birmingham jail and you read your words, your courageous words, a juicy we are still struggling from those issues. you gave a speech that i found amazing. i actually, i used your speech in my book that wrote. "new york times" called it an unusually candid speech, and for the record is as much about. when the death of michael brett and ferguson, the death of eric garner that now, the ongoing protests and the assassination of the new york city police officer and we are at a crossroads you stated, as a society we can choose to live our everyday life raising our families, going to work, hoping that someone somewhere will do something to ease the tension to smooth over the conflict. we can roll up our car windows, turn up the radio and drive around these problems.

board we can choose to have an open and honest discussion about what our relationship is today, what it should be, what it could be, what it needs to be. if we took our time to better understand one another. your words. much research points to the widespread existence of a conscious racial bias. many people in our white majority culture have unconscious racial biases, and react differently to a white face and a black face. in fact, we all the white and black kerry despises around with us. ..

>> >> sometimes it seems like we're not even talking to each other. but what i am frustrated about is why i think we need that empathy to create understanding to heal because 50 years based on the data have different standards of justice apply to different communities in our country creating understandable tension and frankly and if we saw this over policing that occurs done in other areas of affluence, we would have a very different reality in american politics because it would not be tolerated. you go on in this great

speech to talk about specific needs that we have. not long after i asked my staff to tell me how many people shah by police african-americans i wanted to see the trends. but baker could not give it to me. demographic data officer involved shootings is not consistent they've reported because reporting is a voluntary and therefore is not available. i stop here to say we both know there are lots of police departments that talks about racial bias. all lots of good thoughtful leaders to recognize this is a problem. the police chief frustration

with the lack of reliable data. either one per year or one person jury but all we get are the ideological thunderbolts with those in agnostics to use information . i don't want to be here 50 years from now listening to my kids and grandkids for what should have been done in the '60s with police leadership calling for this data which is a racial bias. i put forth what legislation her getaway from the thunderbolt we cannot solve of problem and as a measure you are a manager of an agency if you cannot measure

that you cannot manage it. i want to how your opinion on the need for a national collection of data of racial bias synecdoche provided as a written answer but. >> my time has just ended. >> you can ask another round >> there are three questions based on in your testimony first with secretary john cents sfax -- with those refugees from syria when of the ways we could minimize a risk is to establish criteria pdf women and children and relatives to

support them. is that criteria and/or are they just abetting as refugees? >> between us and the state department we focus on people that would be good candidates for resettlement in the united states. we have criteria which have added security checks to the process if you fall into the criteria there will be extra of betting -- investing around syrians. so around 10,000 with these people are added to it so we do have that criteria it is not all public but we added that to the process.

>> you are fairly confident we haven't taken any risks still lacks ferrari you satisfied those syrians ever let into this country are not a threat to america? >> i am satisfied and comfortable that whiff additional security through doc process and i know for a fact they are families of women and children and will be honest and hardworking people in this country. >> we talk about more robust use of social bdm and --

media and with those refugees can you explain that in detail? one not having anybody seeking refugee status to have the plug and program? how are you doing that? had used that to the maximum effect been quite. >> not just for refugee vetting but travel, a notice and comment . we just completed. social media questions, . >> those are questions but is there any automated system? to just plug that and greg. >> we do have a system for vetting social media but we need better technology.

>> right now is manual. >> and time-consuming. we need investment in the technology before a whole host of things. >> my guess is as they're rapidly developed am i incorrect? >> i have no specialized knowledge. >> this something we work hard to develop to go through q amounts. have publicly social media. there are some of there. >> i do want to talk about the terror watchlist that people don't understand want to make sure that they understand what we are talking about.

that overall massive database i don't want to talk about numbers or foreigners but that terrorist screening database and much smaller subsets. none of these were never developed they were for law-enforcement use or somebody that should pay for further investigation quick. >> intelligence and the standard but the primary purpose. >> far from perfect. >> correct. >> is standards on the data base is not what you would call tight? >> i will put it this way

but webern never intended to deny constitutional rights? >> house and you get off the list request. >> either when the investigation is closed and they send that appropriate notification or they make use of that redress procedure and then have your name removed. >> you have to know you or on the list? and that is introducing a process? and dad bureaucrat to have redress through the court. >> the administrative process and with that challenge beyond that.

>> but you have to know you were on the list that does represent a problem. >> i will understand if you don't want to speak in open session but those reservations in terms of the list to spinoff quick. >> if think i can say i just want to be thoughtful about any operational impact. >> just for the record with the equal application of the of what you did not equally apply the rules. you literally said to somebody else will let you go little longer and it by before you were incredibly stricter application of the rule.

>> now you can ask. >> for the record i would like the details of how long people went over second point out to the chair person so when i use race and the application of law you cut me off. >> that is observed characterization. >> you can get your answer. >> so you can see the you were conducting the hearing spandex and ally will finish my last paragraph second heighten the issue of data but the first to understand what is really going on in our community or if our country to gather more and better data related to those that we confront of public safety and the data seems to be a boring word but without

it you cannot understand our world. please comment on the lack of data with policing in the united states with the racial bias. >> this is one of the most important issues we confront in the fbi. those of tremendously good hearts law-enforcement, and communities of color color, protesting, every single one is an indicted by data and information. with my view of the use of force is uninformed. what we contribute as of the country is that people care deeply to, to solutions we must collect the data that

is reliable nationwide with the altercations. we must. if there is anything more inherent them that i cannot imagine. the only source is not comprehensive we will do this i will not shah up by have seven years to go we will build a nationwide database to show us what happened when and who was involved and the circumstances. no one in this country knows whether the use of deadly force african-americans most particularly is up or down recite ways. nobody knows to we have an epidemic of violence? nobody knows. we must gather in the information. >> director comey i celebrate your leadership

around this issue that speech that you gave right now but, where we do have data it shows an alarming pattern. not only with biased but the department of justice has dozens and dozens of police departments at least where i was even surprised that the data they collected for transparency. where we have the data feed to show a dramatic bias of police. doesn't that lead you to believe with this consistent fact pattern we don't just have a of a problem but it goes up that high bubbles of justice we have a policing crisis given the data at that we do have.

>> i believe we have a chasm where the divide is open between law-enforcement and communities especially african-american communities. the causes are complicated and long standing but not elusive. there are things we can do better, obvious we're working very hard to change but we have to close the chasm. moms and dads in a law-enforcement want to look at policing but firm but fair policing up close we are safer when we have ended good news for america is those leaders who feel as i do we will drive that chasm closer together for. >> i appreciate and highlight what you just said as iran the police department, we have incredible police leaders out there the majority who

seek the exact same thing with the black community can and frankly he were under celebrated daily with their heroism that they show in conducting with their job i mentioned earlier in my testimony about the two police officers but people don't realize that goes on every single day to put themselves in harm's way. we do share our values but you point out to all what of it is not conscious they are not even aware how they do not apply the law equally. when i see justice department investigation after investigation police departments run by african-americans all came up with the same set of data of the same fact we do not have equal application of the law. prisons are now full whether

vermont with 1% african-american or 11% or states like mine that is a dramatic and equal complication of the law. we have to get to the core of this understanding. i will conclude to set your prescription to have a better national collection of data we cannot get there unless we first engage in an objective analysis of the fax and data and the fact we don't collect that is outrageous and unacceptable. >> mr. chairman we came here with a hearing in mind how to protect our homeland from foreign and domestic banks to senator booker adding

something i did not expect. so thank you the way you have engaged in a very important subject. we have spent many months in this room years ago on the heels of 9/11 with 9/11 commissioned. and they had division to address the problems that led to 9/11. part of the problem was the ability to work together and talk together and you have said several times we are not perfect alibi to cite the preamble of the united station one dash united -- constitution we the people. so we will do more the fact and everything i do i know i

can do better. and i encouraged by the way your agencies work together. we are all better for that. in a couple of months for goldfields maybe i don't know but we are baseball fans and you may be as well with the detroit tigers play with a memorable home run and spark them to the world series. but in the middle of the season he announces he will retire in a different way. most people do it at the beginning of the season or spring training but he did it in the middle to call the press corps to the dugout in july and said i have an announcement to make i have

been traded back to my family. so our thanks to your wife and family got less -- god bless. >> i have enjoyed working with the secretary who has done great work and inspired great people. again for your services to this nation to attend this hearing the record will remain open for questions and misstatements. we are adjourned. [inaudible conversations]

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