she could have pulled off what she did against your die and that's the lockstep that weare talking about. conservatives like you, we don't fall in lockstep. look at you, one-day infidelity. >> he is all over the place . >> but there's something liberating about not having to be in lockstep. >> i'm very happy that hillary clinton has adopted somewhere between 80 and 90 percent of bernie sanders and , you say until the election, that's going to be up to us and that's up to my audience and your audience frankly. are we going to, one of the things she has demonstrated, which some have characterized as negative, i think is a positive is the ability to figure out which way a country is going and change position based on that with gay marriage, remember she did that with the pipeline and she's done that with freight. you can call that flip-flopping.

i'm quite pleased with it as long as she stays there and i am under no illusions that she will not stay there unless we are pushing her so i think the american people would be very pleased to have a candidate who's responsible. >> i believe whatever you want me to believe, just give me power. >> that's not what i'm saying at all and i can give you a list of issues. >> through the primaries, i was switzerland because iwas on the debate panel at cnn and on the red cross manages . >> these are all broken up but there's a difference, i wantto make sure to make this clear. i work for cnn, salem cosponsored these . and doctor, blitzer and back, it sounds like a law firm but they were relentlessly prepared. absolutely, it was a revelation to me how fair they work and ran's previous ran a fair game. the difference was reflected

on for a long period of time. the corruption in this cycle was in the democratic national committee, it was brought to the core, republican national committee was fair, donald trump 140 percent, not 60 percent,there were too many candidates, there might have been better but it was a fair game . democrats were corrupt to the core and i do not understand how sanders voters can look past that, i really don't. >> sanders did not vote for someone in a raid game, i would never go to the casino again. >> you make a good point. >> and what that means is anybody who cares about the democratic party and shares an ideological line with the democratic party needs to get inside the democratic party. progressives need to be done what he partners tea partiers

were doing in 2010, showing up. they were saying i want to run for office, i want to be a part of this party. i want to change the party, participate in writing the platform, i want to be one of the ones selecting who the primary candidates are going to be and that happened so yes, the democratic party was at least in this regard corrupt in this cycle, i don't disagree with that and debbie wasserman schultz is out on her keister and i think one of the big changes are happening on the democratic party and the democratic electorate. >> one of the big things you asked about was politicians lamenting talk radio. that's very real. i come from kansas city missouri originally and i host a show in philadelphia but i have a unique perspective in that i come from flyover country and that audience, no professional sports. >> for the next two weeks i can say what the rules have been but when i got to philadelphia and started making regular trips to save this city to washington dc

and spent some time working for a congressman, what is so real and i've heard it because i've been invited to dinner's and i've sat across the table from members of congress, they talk, i'll speak for myself, i don't know about you but they spoken to me about my audience like we're a bunch of knuckle dragging idiots. they have utter contempt or most talkshow hosts and their audiences. they don't think we understand the nuances of their parlor room discussions and procedural discussions and quite frankly, just this morning i interviewed john dickerson with face the nation and i asked him, do you think the guy in flyover country watching your show in nebraska this weekend, does he understand that your pals, your cocktail party house, what you are covering because he really did it. i didn't mean to attack john dickerson per se but he wanted to explain we are more than that, we live together and in a lot of cases we play soccer together and it's a very incestuous and i say

then insidious relationship, it's quite frankly for want of a better term gross and so many average americans don't really understand that the people who are talking to us about the politicians that they cover are genuinely friends , social friends of theirs and that case that corrupts their coverage inherently just because they are next door neighbors and pals and the politicians have such contempt for most of our audiences and hosts . not in a beltway, not here in the eastern corridor, they are out there because they think people don't understand their nuance, that's where i think we are. >> i might be totally wrong about status, fetching the people on this panel, i think that's one of the cases. when i watched you on tv and i watched you deal with international issues, i can tell he knows what the heck he's talking about. he really can't. i may not agree with him but

i can tell he knows his subject. when i listen to tom hart, i can tell, knows what he's talking about. because he's learned. they just said, you work for a congress. you have a certain committee inside and you know what you are talking about because you seen it and all of us in there, four years i've extended talk radio, i spent it working with naacp at the same time, i know race relations, i know my community. i'll pull back once again, i think a lot of the people in our business might sadist. really, i go back to some of us just don't know. and what happens in talk radio too often and i've seen

this, they think because the lines light up, you're a talkshow host. i can light the lines up in an hour. >> it's a false sense of security. >> these are programmers and managers, all the lines lit up, all the lines. i have been a program director who when he auditioned as a talkshow personality, he had a button in the council of the lines went busy and nobody had called in. he sat there and watched that talkshow personality for a half-hour. and then he couldn't carry a conversation. talk radio is conventional. 90 percent of people never call talk radio.

and if you think you like those lines up, all you have to do is call about gun control, race, religion and of those lines will light up. i'll tellyou, that's part of the problem that we have in this industry. we don't have enough people . not on this panel, >> you don't, and i wanted to jump in there because this is interesting, i'm not a constitutional law professor. i didn't work for a congressman, i didn't work for a famous activist group like the naacp. i'm a father of four who works in the entertainment business in management. i own the company and i'm an average american voter. and i have strong feelings about what's going on in my country. and i'm on 105.9 fm wraml and you are here in washington so you can listen to me and check me out because i'm morning's afternoons, five until six in the afternoon. >> i do an afternoon drive hour.

>> open your mind to show. [laughter] this is my point. i think the american people, many of the american people and i think much of the audience for talk radio, they came to talk radio because they feel alienated by what they saw on other media and i think they were tighter being talked down to. i think they were tired of being contributed to and the thing that makes hugh hewitt so fantastic is that he doesn't lecture like a constitutional law professor. he has that knowledge base but he talks to us and i talk to that guy work that mom or dad driving home stuck in traffic trying to get through the day and i get it because i've been there and we all care passionately about this and just because we don't have an advanced degree or experience, our voice matters also and that's what the listener hears and i think there's something powerful

about that. >> i think one of the problems there and joyce you may want to say something, one of the problems is that the attention deficit disorder is dangerous a plate as the virus or any of the other problems we face. there is the feeling in media you don't want to talk about people's heads. there is the feeling in media you can say whatever you want but you've got to get it done by the next commercial break which is always coming into or three minutes and there's a minute for commercials and by the time you come back you can't remember what you were talking about. you can't keep a listener on the line over the commercial break, that's considered a no-no and the fact is most of the problems our society faces are far more complicated than any radio clock or any television clock, television is even more shallow and there's an epidemic of institutionalized shallowness in the public discussion. that politicians know this, they deal with it brilliantly and it's very difficult to be

a host who really cares about the people and cares about the truth in this environment. it's a serious problem that our country faces and our democracy faces. >> the politicians, for front office, that really ticks me off. we were just coming off the stage so i'm listening to an obama administration official here in international affairs . excuse me, on c-span radio and i've been trying to get this individual on for over a year. yes, i'll do your show and then he's got these gatekeepers but then they don't want to come on when there's an issue that all of us need to be talking about but then when they've got a news release , they come knocking on your door and i come on and i come on but you

wouldn't come on when there's a hot issue that you know, everybody'stalking about . so we are sort of caught between a rock and a hard place. >> no one is answering the question, there and their masters at that, they don't answer the question shamelessly. >> which is to riley's point about motivated, i happened to be a destination radio program because i'm not on morning drive or afternoon drive which means people have to deliberately turn to my radio program to hear me. they donot turn to my radio program through my listeners, they don't even turn to it to hear my guests . i was told once by the late great deal rogers that talk radio is a stew, either the meat area the guests are the potatoes and the listeners are actually salt and pepper. i use too much salt and pepper in your stew, you use meat. i don't listen to tom hartman

to hear his colors. or you or joe or anyone else. i want to hear them. >> now i'm hungry, are we serving lunch? >> one of the thing i like to point out if i may jump in, one of the things that i think along these lines, it is getting increasingly difficult to get callers. this may not be the case with every show but there are fewer callers per capita at this time and there were five years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago and the reason for that is a lot of the listeners feel that way, they don't want to hear what joe from brooklyn has to say because they've heard them already. oftentimes callers , the problem is we are in a society where people have facebook, twitter and social media, and it's actually a psychological spin problem, a lot of people are living in this reality show psychosis that