it consisted for me to hold my tongue. soleil not voting for donald trump. i do feel bad for those that are supporting him there is not a need for change in america the authors that to people but not what i can agree with. >> moderator: you are on the air. >> caller: good evening. talk about the eb5 project down the vermont tax code is a top tier of the most tax states in the country. how can we address a less complicated tax code so i can start up the company in the state of vermont? and rather than funding of eb5 money why don't we make it easier to start a

business? diamondstone: we don't need to expand the economy. what we need to do is increase the wage by having the 20 hour work week and 40 hour pay to produce less and that people are paid more. and we don't need most of the crap that we buy. we need to start producing four need. so we can give to people what they need including the syrians and assyrian refugees. did we can get from them what they offer.

in the syrian refugees for those that come to this country. but we don't need more work. we need less and more of leisure and more time to do many things like trade for a militia. my view is that we the people a should have whenever weapons as the nation disarms itself. and ims candidate this stands for the budget for social security to 91 about economic development?

leahy: i believe that may should have i brought hundreds of millions or billions of jobs just in the last week. and with uh contract with the military that they will be protected far more than what they have now. in from the university of vermont. to expand that. eb5 has banned overworked. i am as outraged as what happened.

i saw a good man and women in the newport area get jobs , excellent jobs come i'm glad the justice department will get to the bottom of it. in the meantime the good part is that they say those jobs will be there for the vermonters and that is good news. but i do hope that senator grassley and i have been trying for years to make eb5 work like it did. miline: talking about the vermont tax code to piggyback on the federal income-tax which is unique to vermont. but what is missing for economic vitality should be delivered by a functioning

united states like and eb5 tried to shut down the government. and then mach's other people when they shut down the government. people on either side it is so polarized food my opponent succeeded and my grandfather ran his office for a while. and was a centrist republican if i am fortunate enough to get elected but if they threaten to shut down the government if eb5 does not go through.

then is working but businesses would be more in tune to investment capital with the greatest contribution that i can make to their economy. >> my comment on eb5 e said this is the first time you heard of the big mess. that is what you said then your interview. remember? >> take your time but you did say that it is on the record. that there was zero oversight. i think it is appalling. of what have been down there and interested in the program that it is

inexcusable that you claim you nothing about it. that is a nationwide program would is going down to your. a deep dive into the crack cocaine real-estate financing. and don't you think they are important? but we do need to rebuild it. and made to fix the safety hazards that we call roads in is the way we need to do went with the investment tax

on wall street to raise a true a substantial amount of money for investment instead of the gravy train ponzi's game is the best you can come up with. >> i have a plan to fix the state's tax code if you vote for me for the united states editor i will sponsor a bill in the united states senate to outlaw the making of any state or federal law that has blanks basis -- spaces for the congress or the state of vermont to save the unelected administrative officials can make the rules and regulations put in the

taxpayer dollars in the representative because they've they've planks bases of those unelected officials can fill in the blanks to add those rules and regulations property and so what we need to do is stop the a constitutional friends and regulations with the state legislatures to make any law to pass any law for rules of regulation better unconstitutional you have a right to representation. >> moderator: the brief follow-up to senator leahy over eb5 you don't feel you bear any responsibility for

lack of oversight for this program in the allegations of fraud and vermont? >> but i do believe there is ample reason for the sec and the department of justice. there were two people investigation is under way. i won't say that i will jeopardize but what i am concerned about my wife was born in the northeast kingdom fat i brought hundreds of millions of dollars worth of jobs if to the northeast kingdom. i want those jobs to continue. if eb5 people were defrauded there rodrigo resources --

legal recourse is her card to not shut down the government but that is a nice talking point. eb5 can do very good things as we have seen here sugarbush. but we have seen places where it hasn't worked right and that is why we are working hard to reform or to end is to make you did not coach in favor of the continuing resolution. >> now i did not. i made it very clear to people. a number of people vote against one reason or another. and you will have to pay attention to it 18 we will

go back to the phone. >> caller: thanks for taking my call. i have that question for senator leahy and the republican particular the protection of the minority the house majority gets whenever it wants. only the senate would filibuster from the tyranny of the majority to talk about the nuclear option so i'm hoping they will commit to upholding. >> cannot use the nuclear option.

thank you. >> that is one of the biggest questions of the supreme court and i oppose the idea 2.0 to the caller i have passed more legislation than most people almost all of the legislation republican and democratic co-sponsors. and this is how it works. i voted for most nominees unless the person is not qualified. >> willie comeback to eb5? he argued somethings that were absurd.

>> moderator: use your time. peace said he did not vote to shut down the government but you clearly did. he says he doesn't have any response ability and he wants to talk about the campaign maybe four times as much money going into that project not only are there ponzis games his brother was involved in the eb5 scandal also dairy breeds son was involved i did not see with the godfather you said that. to say it is up to the sec and the justice department like building a bridge and the bleeding on the meanest people windfalls down. to say you're the godfather of the program you're hanging out with everybody.

the country home products is that organization that has $12 million and you change the rules and said they will have $12 million to put that in the bank can sell that to a company from wisconsin so how do call that successful? you change the rules on the regulator so the jobs are created don't even have to be in vermont anymore. so how does that keep the jobs here? that this fiction it is the story of fiction that you need to come clean. >> the question was on the

of filibuster in nuclear option. trudell: i support the use of filibuster when necessary .. nuclear option? no. we should not have world war war iii. i don't think anyone should. >> we should keep the filibuster but there is the unspoken rule you cannot leave to go to the bathroom or something ridiculous challenge rule about not going to the bathroom during a filibuster? diamondstone: the purposes are totally different for my tax purposes all the stock am private industry with the

distribution would be taxed systematically so would belong to the community. whether car building or oil exploration. all major means of production should belong to the community at large. private enterprise in is robbery. so you see here a set of robbers trying to make things work out better they can they could only work worse i call a new to vote socialist and in this election. leahy: i disagree with my opponent of socialism.

but the whole campaign around scott is attacking me and i have not done anything right the most negative campaign i have seen anybody run. how many jobs as he created? i can point to thousands with my programs. that is what i do. >> when you do your job in some ways that are not effectively with a poster child for a dysfunctional united states senate qsr the poster child for dwight eisenhower had a prophetic warning be aware of the industrial military complex. my opponent is the poster child for the eisenhower. things are going very bad in washington.

it is complete fiction. that he can bring home the bacon and then to have one congressional district. and now what we have gone up per-capita share. small states have the advantage but let's keep in mind if you count the promises we have 160 or 70 chilean dollar deficit. and the northeast kingdom is in conflict. >> i that the homeland's security budget which said you would support or consider the initiative to use all or a large portion

of the homeland's security budget for community centers >> that is of great idea. maybe starting here. to be moved around from town to town. >> it is a great concept to say no to things that cost more money. as leslie related to the department of romance security it is the great idea but we have a deficit is too easy to be elected to saddle give you with every one to. >> and to stop being such a spendthrift spending a our money on the wrong things. eight what we need is

innovation envisioned to reinvest in america. and may already answered that question to take money for so-called homelands security that is up the big waste towards community investment. >> if we use homeland's security and has committed a centers as the spy cameras and use them to spy on people. >> common security? >> that is fine with me. but it has to be financed so the major means of production and distribution are on that the community of large to become centers of

management of the automobile industry and management of those other industries that we have taken over. but there is no compensation to those folks who own the major means of production. >> they belong to was the always have and we have been robbed by those sitting at the table you cannot make it nicer. and airshows and self -- it shows itself with the attempt to kill the of minister from 80 -- haiti

and we kidnapped him twice. it is all over the world. that is part of capitalism. leahy: we have many communities and i compliment the people who run them. no. to build a community center on lake champlain? no. there is a far better use of money for us as we have done here and vermont. >> at the airbase to multi

is -- militarized they want to militarized everything that they touch. one of the things that they touch is the airbase in burlington. >> i have been first. >> one per lake. >> good evening you are on the air. >> talk about nuclear weapons given that is a capitalist ideology. >> with some of

proliferation of nuclear weapons. i am not in favor of nuclear proliferation but if you look at a place like korea, i was in the of military with the acceptance of the truce in within 60 days to sign a peace agreement. so the united states interfered. and the senator is one of those who participated to block south korea. north korea did not break nuclear weapons.

so they have to respond because we put a submarine. when they decide to match as to if nobody can match as. and nobody can do what we do. and then prevent peace treaties from being signed. >> and with nuclear proliferation. >> you can find a saudi internet to have this strike fighter jets to vermont capable to carry nuclear bombs. the largest most populated

area near the of burlington international airport to the 35 strike fighter jets and the house of representatives and the pentagon decides the defense contractors of more models of the components. and to have nuclear weapons. in the defense contractors

to give to the u.s. senator. that is called money-laundering. remember much more worried with two superpowers with global a violation now we have a situation that is a little bit scary your pet is spent the dermis amounts of money and what they are doing to senator leahy with his defense contractors is hundreds of billions of dollars there is some investigative journalism there. should we be beating by continuing to do this?

but that is not how we will accomplish the true goal. of cool deal -- global nuclear disarmament i have not heard that out of your mouth or your mouth. >> here is your opportunity. [laughter] >> clearly i a agree with the leader of your party and the president that to avoid mistakes i am not on the inside. i applied it -- applied -- applied as somebody that we'd need to respect. and we have a history those

are the other places but it is a big problem. there is a nation that needs by example. era of the senator was right to a couple weeks ago. i think a new voice and new ideas that is why i am looking forward to be added to the united states said it leahy: with the exception of his last sentence i agree with everything. [laughter] and i wish shocked with donald trump and the people

of south korea and japan were shocked as well. . . >> we have to -- it will require spending more. we need to do some of this work here in vermont. that is on cyber warfare. cyber security. if north korea, god forbid fired a missile at the united states, it has a return address. we know exactly where it came from. they would be a blip obliterated within a matter of minutes of doing it. what i worry about in cyber security somebody who is able to hack into our power grid in the

middle of january in the northeast and turn off our power grid. that is something we have to worry about. i'm very proud of what champagne college is doing, what north university is doing. they should be applauded. they trained their young people the right way. >> we have to make the question quick. we'll. we'll take one minute on the answer. go ahead. >> [speaking in native language] [speaking in native language]

>> thank you. >> my name is henrique. this question goes to senator leahy as well as the other candidate. i am part of the immigrant community here in the state of vermont to doing some of the most difficult and dirty jobs here in the state. recently we have seen an attack against our community since ice, immigration enforcement and custom and i would like to know if you are willing to be part of the solution to calling for an immediate end to deportations against our community? >> first while i would disagree with you about being a dirty job. there's tremendous dignity and work and i applaud you and i assume you're talking about working on dairy farm. good job, and i applied you for doing that. i think the bigger issue is our immigration program and what we

are going to do. again, i don't want to election to be all about you senator leahy, but i want to win. senator leahy wants us to believe after this election him and his partisan friends will get together and be bipartisan. i'm telling you i'm going to be bipartisan now. i don't have a track record to the contrary that you have to overlook to believe that. we need comprehensive immigration reform. it is 11 of the biggest priorities for america. so that folks like yourself who are here illegally do not have to worry about being deported unless you do something that is completely wrong. you are on a pathway to citizenship. that is something i'm working hard to get a plan together and i will be a junior member of the united states senate, but there is momentum there. i'm looking for to it. >> i'm against deportation. my perspective on immigration is that everybody is an immigrant. this entire country was built by immigrants. let's not forget that.

so i do not see immigrants as a negative force. they're actually a positive force in a vital economy which we need to build. i wa to quickly add that as a senator you have to take responsibility for some of your defense appropriation that goes towards building up this problem we have with nuclear weapons. i want to squeeze that in. i hate to see someone make it good talk but actions speak louder than words. >> you know that marijuana party and when i was a child my parents took in for hunting area and during so during 1956 when i was about was about four years old i remember teaching them english and teaching are new for hungarian boys, they stayed with

us, they graduated college eventually and they became good citizens. while i was in junior high and high school i had a penpal from india, he went to medical school through illegal immigration, you can look at his website. he is one of the finest orthopedic surgeons in northern california. we are penpals for years before my mother helped him to legally immigrate. my question to sir, why haven't you gone through a legal immigration program. >> i have stop you there, peter, your next. >> i would take the wall down and immigration should be free and available for everybody to go in and to come out, go both directions. we should have no restrictions,

we should have nobody barring people from coming in. that's where strength comes from except for one people with whom we owed to at least one of them a quarter of 1,000,000 in reparations and that is the descendents of black slaves. we cannot, we must understand that this nation was built on slavery. it's not an accident. slavery is not an accident. >> contrary to what my opponents say, you can do bipartisan thanks. when the democrats were in charge of the senate i got 68 votes, key number of republicans and democrats across the political spectrum. we pass a comprehensive immigration bill. sixty-eight votes. then it was blocked by the republican party and house of

representatives. they said it they called it the hatchet rule where they must respect the memory of former speaker -- so they would not bring it up. i've been meeting quietly with a number of these same republicans and democrats in the past couple of months. we intend to get back together after the election and we are going to try again. we have. we have proven in the senate that we can put those bipartisan coalitions. as chairman of the judiciary committee and we did it. >> we have just a couple minutes left and will give each a 32nd opportunity opportunity to make a last pitch. >> go to my website, jerry trudell for senate.com. see a blueprint to rebuild america that no one else has for some strange coincidence. what i am am saying is about for ideas this time instead of the same old 20th century porkbarrel politics which is in getting us

anywhere. it's keeping the politicians elected in office. that's what it's accomplishing. besides they're piecemeal, what they claim and pass themselves on the back for their accomplishments. meanwhile the newport trader. >> thank you jerry. >> my name is chris erickson, my grandfather was born chris erickson, my grandfather was born on the hemp lawn farm on the debt benson pike in shelbyville, kentucky. his name is george robert erickson and happen marijuana were legal then. please come visit the united states marijuana party, u.s. mj party.com or national party and we believe that marijuana and ham should and have should be legalized under federal law. thank you. >> i believe that old drugs, legal, illegal, prescription and nonprescription should be the business of the population at large. that industry also needs to belong and be controlled by the population. we need to be able to say what

we decide what the prices will be. in the case of illegal drugs the case has to be no higher than cost, that is you cannot add taxes and because as soon as you read anything it builds a place for people to come in. >> thank you. >> i believe in vermont. i am a vermonter. i know i can help people. i was talking with a world war ii veteran jay -- one of the greatest generation. he said i'm so glad you are running again because i have upheld the values that he fought for. i was humbled by that. i am humbled by the trust vermont vermont has put in me. i

would use every single second to fulfill that trust. >> thank you. thank you to our studio audience, my name is scott mil and i hope three weeks from today will shock america by changing the united states senate seat in vermont. passing it off to someone who is running a campaign with all volunteers, with no special interest money, i have not made one phone call, e-mail, direct mail piece asking anybody for money. it's a campaign we have not seen in america for a credible statewide candidate in 45 years. >> you have to wrap up here. >> i want to say check it out, it will be a big day for america. were going in the right direction and i want i want to thank the hundred thousand plus vermonters who will's support me. >> thank you for joining us here tonight for united states senate candidate debate. for all of us are in in channel 17, have a great night. >> coming up in just about 20 minutes we will take you to indiana for a senate debate

republican congressman todd young, former democratic senator evan by an lucy brenton. they compete for the seat of retiring republican senator, dan coats. that is on c-span2 at 7:00 p.m. now a p.m. now a portion of this morning's mcashington journal". >> now for the battleground state of florida were joined by associate professor michael mcdonnell for discussion on early voting in campaign 2016. at this point, how many people have voted early and how long, or went to these deadlines are kicking it for early voting in states coming online? , or went to these deadlines are kicking it for early voting in states coming online? as of this morning this morning we have 1,900,000 people who have voted in the election. in a state like in a state like florida we are over 600,000ha people have voted.st in ea

we are going to start seeing more numbers rolling inches at the end of this week will see places like north carolina start their interest in early voting, georgia started yesterday. we have other states like colorado who sent out theirr ballots through the mail. other states beginning next week we will also start there in person early voting. the election is starting to ramp up right now the election is starting to ramp up right now? defined what you would mean with other in pursing voting, take us to the state laws here and how many states have each? >> guest: let me talk about how we got to the place we are today. we used to have early voting at the beginning of this country. it was difficult for people to make it to the courthouse, that's where people were voting, so especially people in rural areas. the election would be held over multiple days to allow peopleo the time and convenience to

doavel to the polling location.. in 1845 we narrowed it down to just one special day in november that we have for federal election. that cause problems for some people, especially in oure military. if you look at 1860, 1864, those elections during the civil war, the union elections during the civil war, the union soldiers were sending their ballots back to loved ones and having people vote by proxy for them in that election. some people say that abraham lincoln would not have been reelected as president if it had not been for the ballots that were coming back from the union soldiers in the field. later in the century statesof sg formalized the absentee ballot process where instead of sending the ballot back to a loved one you would send it back to the election officials. oth first it was for the military and then not soon after other people who might be away

traveling for granted the opportunity to vote in absentee ballots. you had to provide an excuse, a reason why you were casting that absentee ballot.rd fast-forward a century, in 1980 california adopted no excuse absentee voting. they were the first state to expand the early voting options it beyond thisste excuse.lead. other states, primarily in the west started following california's leads., alth there are many different flavors now of mail balloting.d that's more of a western phenomenon. you find heavy usage of mail ballots in eastern states as well. these different flavors of mail ballots are things like, no excuse absentee voting, having having a permanent list ofs we people who wish to receive their absentee ballots or a semipermanent list you get in absentee pallet request good for

two years. as more people started signing up for these permanent list, states like oregon, one of the first to do this in 2000 moved to all mail ballot elections. they are filed by washington and colorado. there will be wrinkles to talk about with colorado. they don't truly have all mail ballot elections but close. this is what what was going on in the west. in the east in 1996 texas, tennessee, florida adopted in person early voting where people could go to a special polling location prior to the election and cast their ballots in person. that has been a widespread phenomenon on the east coast. colorado also has this where people can go and vote in perso

at these special polling locations by can also do same-day registration. if they are on registered voter they can register and vote at the polling location. now we have this patchwork across the country as you might imagine from what i described read there are some places places that have mail ballot elections, others are running hybrid systems where they're doing mail and in person early voting, or maybe just in person early voting with excuses. we have holdouts with states that have not expanded their early voting options beyond the excuse. one important state as we look at the battleground map is pennsylvania. they still have excuse required absentee and that ballots. so in pennsylvania you will see less than 5% of the votes being cast early. in other battleground states yoo could see half, two thirds or more of the votes being cast prior to election day. >> here to take your questions and comments about this,

depublicans the number is -- democrats, and independents can call in.rty as those calls are coming in, some some states report return ballots by party registration. what do we know about the ballots have been returned and what can we infer from that information? >> guest: states are tracking the mail ballots because they want to make sure no one votes more than once. that goes for any early vote. if you you request an absenteely ballots or mail ballots, that gets entered into the system when that sent out, when when it is returned it gets entered into the system. if you vote early that gets

entered into the system so people know you can't vote more than once. election officials share the information with campaigns. some produce statistics on websites as well. the data they share with the campaign often this is votereril information that we also have undated that would be extracted from the voter file. it could be party registration with the state has party registration. it could be gender and age and some states in the south we also see race on the voter w registration files as well. we get a wealth of information and in some states about who has already cast their ballots. then we can make comparisons as well to 2012. we can see relative to 2012 how the parties are doing. here is a high level view. w g keep in mind, we have three weeks left in the election. there's still a lot of play left in the election. this is.an cois is what is going on rightht now. circumstances can change, more ballots are going to be coming in. with that understanding, the

high-level views on the southeastern seaboard, much like the polling shows, clinton appears to have some strength in the early vote to and in the polling. she is performing better than obama did in 2012 places like virginia, north carolina,fl florida.l that matches what is happening with the national polls as well which is seen a shift toward clinton in the last few weeks. this is really fascinating what is going on at the election. counter balance currents in places like iowa and ohio you can see that democrats are underperforming where they were in 2012.ion that's highly unusual., think about the 2008 election. in 2008 when obama had his very definitive election win, he was winning places like indiana and north carolina which at the time were not really considered to be a battleground state.

there's a shift across the boara nationally towards obama in thee 2012 election or the 2008 election. in 2016 we are. in 2016 we are seeing some states move in the direction of clinton was the national polls have moved in her direction but we are seeing some resistance in that movement particularly in the midwest. that's unusual to see an uneven patter were parts of the country are going one direction and other parts are going another. and so if you're looking at the electoral map and polling numbers you would say clinton has a very strong chance ofd prd being elected president. if there is going to be a pathway for victory for donald trump is going to go through the midwest and places like iowa where i believe he currently has a lead. it is a state state that will flit from 2012 from the democrats category to the republicans. there's a good chance he can flip ohio. if he can get a few more flori

midwestern states and make inroads in florida and elsewhere that will be his pathway to victory. >> victory. >> you mentioned over 1.5 million early vote so far. as a viewer start the party registration numbers and other information coming about early votes over the next three weeks, how reliable of an indicator is the early vote to the actual results of elections in the past? >> guest: that's where i started this off by saying it is just one signal we are getting at this moment in time. where i think where that real value of the early vote is when it gives a similar signal to what were seen in the polling.ng that's what's happening now. were seen strength in the early vote in the southeastern seaboard, that matches what we're seeing with the polling numbers out of the same states. the weakness for clinton or strength or trump in the midwest matches what were seen in the

polling. early voting is one signal, polling numbers are another. when they're both they're both in the same direction and bothha very noisy that gives us greatee confidence the signal is a true signal and we can weed out some of the noise in the election. >> a great place to go for early votes results is elect project.org. that is the website that michael mcdonald runs. is there a group of you that runs the website? >> i work in association withou the associated press. so i do some data work and they are doing some data collection. we merge our efforts together so we can produce the statistics as best as we can for the country. there are some other faculty members, my colleague dan smith is focusing closely on florida. i have some students who arenumb helping us with crunchingve numbers. there is a lot of data weat needs to be crunched.

i've written thousands of lines of code to do this data work for the selection. we are on top of it. every morning i can push a button a button and get numbers. we can get numbers to people as fast as we can't, as as soon as they are available. >> let's take a few calls. shelley is waiting in michigan, a republican. >> caller: "good morning alerica".. what i would like to say is first of all i'm happy about early voting because my husband and i will be out of the country when the election happens. we have have already voted. as a matter fact, we are moving to florida so in order to bes able to vote we literally have registered, changed our address to florida and voted in florida already. we normally get our absentee ift

talent center home in michigan. i also got my michigan ballotha which i shredded. i guarantee i guarantee you most people in the party i have left would not have done so. they they would have tried to vote twice. the other thing i would like to say is that we find out, and and i have learned because being a lifelong democrat, previously, as well as my husband, they wana to put everybody in boxes. i'm tired of being a box. i don't consider myself a box or this, or that, any hyphenated anything., any hyphenated anything. i am an american citizen. as far as our country goes, donald trump doesn't matter,vero

hillary clinton does not matter. what matters is their views. hillary clinton's view is to totally erase the sovereignty of this country. give it over to foreign entities like the wg o, whatever. donald. donald trump wants to protects our sovereignty and as well as with the supreme court. this is an extremely importantm election. it is the election, as far as i'm concerned and i'll be 61 next month, it is the most important election of my lifetime as far as i'm concerneb >> she started by talking about some concerns about illegal voting same she did not think other people might do that when she was talking about shredding the second ballot she got. you want to talk a little about illegal voting and incidence of voter fraud? >> let's talk about male voting first and the issues with the

security issues with that. as i said earlier, election officials are tracking all of this election activity going on. when on. when they send out a ballots, so when that ballot gets return. so the campaign, the election officials are sharing this information with the campaigns but also sharing it with each other as well.ity, you if you did attempt to vote twice through the method of casting a ballot in one state and then use in an absentee ballot in another because you have moved, it's a possibility you can do that. there have been a limited number number of cases, literally i could count them on both hands the people who have been prosecuted for doing that sort of activity. we are talking out of millions and millions of votes that have been cast. hundreds of millions. it is possible. but for the most part it's a silly way to try to rig an election if you will, to have individuals voting twice.ection

some people are well-meaning for whatever reasons but election officials can also detect thisll activity going on as well. so you run the risk of being caught doing this and then being prosecuted. so again, it is possible but the probability is low. other safeguards we have for our mail ballots as well. when you cast the mail ballots you are signing the outside of the envelope when you return that ballots.it by the way, it is very important for people to carefully follow the instructions on the liter envelopes and filling out theire ballots. literally hundreds hundreds of thousands of people every election cycle manage to disenfranchise themselves by not following these important procedures the election officials had. those procedures are there not only as a safeguard for the b secrecy of the ballot but to

make sure people are not voting fraudulently. the signature that you sign on that ballot is going to be matched against the voter registration signature that election officials have on record. if that signature does not match then the election officials will likely reject that. in some cases there are issuesue of people have a stroke and then their signature becomes muchr different, so election officials do try to look for ways to solve the problems. in many cases if that signature does not at the ballots will be rejected. so there are safeguards of signature verification that happened to make sure people are not voting in other people's names and

again are otherwise attempting to fraudulently votes. that is another way in which file got the mail the vulnerabilities in our electoral system it is through the mail because we cannot be 100% sure someone is the person that is requesting. >> we taking out to indiana for u.s. senate debate between todd young, evan by, and libertarian party candidate, lucy brenton. brenton. they're competing for the seat currently held by dan coats. >> live from indianapolis, the u.s. u.s. senate debate sponsored by the indiana debate commission.

known. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> good evening. welcome to the indiana debate commission's u.s. senate debate. we're coming to live from the studio and public and public television station, w fyi, w fyi in indianapolis. joining me at three candidates who hope to represent the people of indiana and washington. the winner will succeed senator dan coats, republican who is retiring. i am your moderator, can all moderator, can all in. executive director of media relations at depaul university. a former television television news anchor and reporter. my experience included time at w and rtv and at wayne in fort wayne.

for the next hour the candidates will debate a variety of to mastic and international issues that are u.s. senators likely to face. many questions came from you, members of the public who submitted questions to the debate commission about what concerns you. some of those who provided questions are here with us tonight in person. none of the questions i will be asked tonight have been shared in advance with any of the three candidates. with that taken care of, here are our candidates. lucy brenton is the libertarian candidate. she is a finance professional. evan by is a democratic candidate, a former u.s. senator and former governor of indiana. todd young is the republican candidate, he is a congressman representing indiana's ninth district in the south central and southeast part of the state. the candidates positions on the stage in the order in which they will answer the questions were determined by luck conducted by

the debate commission. after i ask the question each candidate will have the opportunity to respond for one minute. rebuttal periods of 30 seconds each will be on an as-needed basis. if a candidate exceeds the amount of time given for his or her response i will ask them to stop. before the final question each candidate will be able to address the topic of their choice. this allows the candidates to discuss the topic they feel is important but has not been touched on by the questions in the program. they can go can go back to a topic that was discussed earlier so they can delve into it further. the candidates have agreed to a set of rules which include no props or prepared notes at the podium. at this time the candidates have the opportunity to further introduce themselves. we'll have them make a one minute opening statement. >> good evening. i like to thank the indiana debate commission, my fellow hoosiers and my steamed opponents. my name is lucy brenton, you probably don't know who i am because i haven't spent

30,000,000 $30 million to win a job that pays under $200,000 per year. you know me because i'm a wife, mother, daughter of it disabled daughter of it disabled make them better and at a hoosier like you who is sick and tired of what is going on in our country. special interest groups have hijacked us. it's time we send them a new message that hoosier voters cannot be bought. i'm running because mr. by spent too much time in d.c. looking for lobbying job instead of serving hoosiers. he is not one of us. i'm running i'm running against mr. young because he talks conservative, when it comes down to the boat he votes to raise the national debt. that's a because okay because as ears senator i will upon the loss of there's justice for everyone. i will will call for strong national defense so we can be safe. i will work to and the debt burden facing her grandchildren. hopefully you'll see a brighter future for our america. thank you. >> mr. by,. >> mr. by, your one minute opening statement.

>> is great have an opportunity to have a conversation with my fellow hoosiers. i'm pleased to be joined by my wife susan, sweetheart, i love you. i know we'll hear negative attacks from congressman young and i'm looking for to answer those attacks. first i want to tell you why are running and what we can do to solve your problems. that's that's what this election should be about. i'm running to help small businesses get capital they need to get jobs. i'm running to make sure that colleges affordable building on the 21st century program so students can go to college. i want to make sure social security and medicare there for you and your golden years. i will work with republicans, democrats, and libertarians to make progress for you. i will fight against the extremes of both parties to make progress for you. making progress for you, helping our families building a better better indiana and better america, that's what the election should be about. >> mr. bayh, thank you.

>> growing up here in indiana my dad used to tell me every day that if i dream big, work hard, good things would happen in life. i believed it. i still believe it. jenny and i want our four children to believe it as well. we won for our four children whatever hoosier wants. a4 children whatever hoosier wants. a quality education that turns into a good paying job. that leads to a meaningful career and affordable healthcare. right here in indiana. my believe in the future took me to the u.s. naval academy. it gave meaning to my service in the u.s. marine corps and served me well in the private economy. i've spent most my professional life i do protect and preserve america's promise. right now it's under fire. i'm not a career politician, i'm not a lobbyist. i'm a hoosier. i'm a marine. i'm a marine who wants to put people before politics. at a time when far too many of our crew politicians have seemingly forgotten who they work for, where they live, you

can imagine a cause greater than themselves, i will always serve a cause greater than my self, this marine will always serve you. i hope turn your support. >> thank you mr. young. we're on tour first question. several of our questions will be presented by voters. with us tonight is brian, teacher from chester min. >> it to the general public congress is seen as an institution that is not working. republicans and democrats alike failed to come together to address major issues affecting our country. where in your political career can you point to a time in which you worked with members of the other party to accomplish something meaningful? >> thank you for the question and i appreciate that. in fact, i am a libertarian so there has not yet been a political office that i have held. what i do have is ten children.

i will tell you there's no more peacemaking across in the else that comes along when you're looking at a fight between a 16-year-old and a 14-year-old. i like to-year-old. i like to bring that experience to congress. quite frankly sometimes our congressional members act like children and sometimes they should probably be put in a corner. without those extremes extremes it's time we work together as a family and nation for those solutions that will bring us economic prosperity and peace. >> mr. bayh. >> thank you for your question and thank you for her work with her children. i'm proud to have been endorsed by indiana's teachers in the selection. let me give you two examples. the first is probably something that is near and dear to your heart. i worked with the republican state senate and a democratic house of representatives to pass the 21st century scholars program. that's enabled 70,000 young that's enabled 70000 young people to go on to an education. they will be better employees, more responsible citizens. it's also good for all of us when we create a country of opportunity that allows young people to work hard, do the right thing, and get ahead. that's what we need more of the

washington, dc. another example is working with senator collins from maine, a republican to a republican to bring together efforts to fight alzheimer's. it's a terrible disease. it afflicts too many of our families. we added resources and cord needed the efforts and i was honored this last spring to get an award for that. making it possible for kids to go to college, fighting alzheimer's and pulling coming together in a bipartisan way to move our country forward, that's what this election should be about. >> mr. young. >> thank you for the question. hoosiers are tired of the empty rhetoric. threat my short political life i have worked across the to get consequential things done. one example would be repealing the 30 hour provision in obama care. restoring the 40 hour workweek. this is a provision in obama care that is put at risk of the jobs, hours, jobs, hours, and wages of 2.6 million american workers. i've been proud to get that passed in house of representatives and hope to continue to fight for is your next united states senator. it's unfortunate we have this provision to do within the first first place.

obama care never needed to be passed. hoosiers pleaded with evan bayh but he ignored their wishes and decided to listen to political interest in washington, dc. d.c. he listened his party boss. i'm a hoosier marine will favor hoosier values not the interest of party leaders in washington, d.c. >> mr. bayh would you like to rebut that? >> i would. i agree with congressman young. we should extend to the definition of the work week from 30 hours to 40 hours. and also expanded the definition of small business from 50 to 100. he wants to take us back to the days were insurance companies have unlimited profits. he wants to take health insurance away, he wants to open the donut hole costing our seniors more than $1400 per year in drug costs. we don't want to

go back to those states now will fight to make sure we don't. >> thank you. i really am excited about the interference of the natural relationship between an employer and employee. it's not up to government to decide whether 30 euros or 40 hours is an appropriate work week. it's up it's up to the employer in a play to negotiate them selves. perhaps we can go back to a time where people actually matter. in fact in world war ii the only reasons we came up with the insurance benefits was because of price and wage control prevented them from paying workers what they're worth. >> evan bayh has just offended obama care. hoosiers find it unpopular because it's a job killer. it's highest tax increase in history despite the wishes of his hoosiers. it was imposed

during the worst possible moment during our recovery. no wonder we are not going to's in this country. 21 new taxes in obama care, most of which follow middle-class families. healthcare costs continue to go up. this is a bad law, we need we need to start over in a bipartisan way. >> i will give you 15 seconds each because i see you want to weigh in. >> we need to fix the parts of the law you fix by congressman young wants to take us back to the days were insurance companies can charge women more for their healthcare because their women. he wants to to deny healthcare coverage for 302,000 citizens. he also wants go back to the days were insurance companies can cancel your policy because he got sick. i don't think that's a step in the right direction. >> mr. young. >> these are clearly d.c. politician talking points. they bear no resemblance of the reality. what. what i want to do is work together, republicans, democrats, ground up. i want. i want to consult with hoosiers about the healthcare program

they want. to bring down costs and expand access to all americans. evan bayh wants to maintain obama care. it's causing way too much harm. >> wire we bickering about what a person should be forced to do? the fact of the matter is that it's americans deserve to be free. to be free from government regulations that comes along with forced insurance scam. >> a question submitted by a voter. we received several commissions regarding climate change. others say that that notion of climate change is a myth. where do you stand in the spectrum and how should the u.s. prioritize its energy sources? esther bayh. >> i think climate change is real. the question question is what should we do about it. first we should emphasize renewables like wind and solar which are expanding across indiana. that's a good thing.

we should emphasize efficiency, retrofitting our homes and businesses to save energy. we should emphasize clean coal generation which we have an indiana that would help the mining business and help utility ratepayers. we should emphasize emphasize ethanol which congressman young has voted against. i don't think we should have the cap and crate system. i don't agree with a clean power plant. i disagree with mrs. clinton on. i think that think that would be harmful to our consumers. so renewables, efficiency, clean coal, let's not, let's not hurt indiana businesses or consumers. i would not support that. >> this is a global issue. it's not a hoosier problem. we don't don't want to wreck our economy trying to deal with it. evan bayh has supported an energy tax in the past. he would lead to an increase of $1700 tax for american households. it would hurt manufacturers disproportionately.

we need to stand up for manufacturing workers. it also hurt our farmers. i'm proud that the indiana farm bureau considers me a friend of friend of farmers. i'm proud to care that title around. before imposing carbon taxes on our fuel, our fertilizer, and on other sources is going to eat your all her economy. where do these ideas come from? not from hoosiers themselves. from hoosiers themselves. party leaders in washington d.c. and special interests. like the one that evan bayh now works for is a lobbyist and has an rich tim and his family to the tune of millions of dollars. >> thank you. i'm it changes a stiff sticky subject. it's all most a religion of people say it's fair not. humans have only been here for a blip in the in's and i don't have enough data to determine whether not we are getting colder or warmer. in fact as a child growing up it was the a sage. i say yes, let's prioritize energy sources but let the free market to. most are partly let's end our dependence on foreign oil. the way we can do that is

allowing commercial hemp growth. we have amazing soil. we could get 3 - for harvest of habit. that biodiesel can that biodiesel can save us. it will save our economy and save the environment. >> opportunity for rebuttal. >> will desperate people do desperate things and clearly congressman young is getting desperate. it's not true that i was for cap and trade. i was against it. it's not true i have ever been a lobbyist. not true. congressman young is familiar with lots of them. he's take 160,000 in campaign contributions from lobbyists hundred 60000 in campaign contributions from lobbyists about it with the lobbyists and the big banks to for the insurance industry to reopen the donut hole. he's voted for the tax deductions and shipping our jobs overseas. if there's a conflict of interest it's between congressman young's voting record in the best interested of the state of indiana.

>> with respect to the carbon tax, perhaps i can't keep all of them straight. most of the texas hitter middle-class during the trough of our economy. it has led to stagnant job creation in indiana. evan bayh cast the vote for obama care. we would not have it but for his vote. with respect to being a lobbyist, he's a partner adult lobbying firm. maybe they pay. maybe they pay him $2 million not to lobby. >> can we talk about the carbon tax? isn't that kind of silly. were going to give an international organization the right to tax us. maybe i'll become a bavarian and then you can tax me for breathing because i won't be eating. let's talk about real solutions to problems. let's fight for commercial hemp. >> my goal is to give everybody an equal shot. will move on.

let's turn to a serious international issue in the news. under what what circumstance should america send additional troops and humanitarian aid to middle eastern hotspots such as iraq and syria or to afghanistan. we'll begin with mr. young. >> we should not be placing artificial limits or timetables. that is something something we have learned in iraq and afghanistan. we need to establish a very clear mission for victory throughout the middle east. we want to defeat isis, we want we want to remove aside from power. i have up proposed a resolution calling on our nato partners to collectively pool our resources, intelligence, and energies to come up with a multilateral strategy to accomplish those. i can imagine some of the components into a strategy will involve find more shorties, loosening the rules of engagements we can kill more terrorists on the ground. establishing safe zones to address humanitarian crisis on the ground rather than leading

to a refugee crisis both in europe and the united states. none will be a complexed if we continue the obama clinton policy. i will be vigilant making sure the next president stays engaged in the world. >> thank you. i'm glad to us. as a mother what i want is my children to grow up in a world that is full of peace. i don't see that. i don't even remember congress declaring an act of war. they did not declare this war so it seems to be an illegal war so it should be stopped. the first thing i recommend and i would do is i would stop arming everybody. can we stop in the world's gun salesman? that would be a good thing to

stop being. i want to stop to stop being. i want to stop dropping bombs on everybody. were dropping bombs on wedding parties. what we need is a diplomatic action. somewhere between the world placement and an isolationist there has to be somewhere in that range that is better than what doing now. humanitarian aid only. people are hurting. real people are starving. those of people we should be helping. let's not continue these endless foreign wars. >> i think it is a good thing that we can agree on a bipartisan manner that we should fight isis and defeat global terrorism. we need to continue the offensive that started in the last 48 hours to retake muzzle and deny them the safe space in iraq. our special forces and syria should work with the kurds and turks to wreak take raqqa. we need to empower our intelligence services. i've been placed work for the last six years as an advisor to the cia to make sure we can combat isis abroad so they can't attack us at home. we need to empower our department of homeland security and fbi so they can find loan

with the attackers at home before they can strike. most of all what we need to do is win the war of ideas. simply put, we are better than our adversaries. we stand for freedom, they stanford -- we stand for the right to worship god and speak our minds as we see fit. if we stand for those things and principles then we will triumph over adversaries stand for beheadings and terrorism. >> we will move on to the next question. >> i would love to rebut if that is okay. >> that was really impressive mr. bayh. i'm shocked when their talk about the faction. the faction we are arming today's one that tomorrow will turn around and put their guns, the ones that we gave them at our troops. our sons and sons and daughters are dying. that is not right. it is time to stop the killing. >> i have real-world experience here. i have have not just setting committee hearings and committee rooms and monitor the

situation. i actually understand what i'm hearing on the ground goes through. i understand, i've seen generals and admirals russell with difficult decisions. i have value in this area. evan sat on the committee but skip multiple hearings and during his last year in office he spent 60 day shopping for a job as a lobbyist as opposed to being vigilant in this war on terror. >> can, i've always been strong on the war and terror and proud that i have always supported our troops. congressman young has voted repeatedly against our veterans. he is voted to cut funding for p std ptsd sufferers. to cut funding for va's, for reintegration for vets so they can get jobs. it's jobs. it's surprising to me that someone like congressman young would repeatedly vote against our beds. i will stand with our vets. >> i have another international question. vladimir putin in russia, russia has become increasingly active

the last two years do you see them as a potential in the war and terrorism that needs to be courted on the us, or a potential aggressor an enemy that needs to be confronted? >> a friend of mine just told me an interesting video on tv. it was putin appealing to the american people to let them know the things that our country is doing that we don't know about. in fact it seems like every day i get on wikileaks to find out what is really going on. quite frankly if i'm looking at the information being given to me by a mile government, i don't trust it. to ask a question about what should be dealt with putin, with the limited information i have, i think i'm going to trust wikileaks a little bit more. without looking at the documents it would be difficult to decide what to do with putin. i'm in favor of making friends. i think the best way to make friends is by making economic alliances, free-trade, fair trade. when you are fair trade. when you are trading with someone and looking them in there i am making those relationships it's difficult to drop bombs on them.

>> vladimir putin is a tyrant. he is a deeply hostile to the united states. the only thing the man understands is power. we have to push back. we have to push back and impose more economic sanctions for his aggression in the ukraine. i agree with secretary carrie, there should should be wartime's trial to bring those responsible to count for the crimes are committing inside syria. think we should encourage the europeans to expand the national which will make them more independent. above all we need to work with our allies to make sure vladimir putin knows we will stand strong and united against aggressive russia. in the final thing, these reports that russia is seeking to metal in our domestic elections, this is deeply disturbing. there should be a. there should be a consequence for that. we should take cyber actions against a financial interest in those in charge of moscow. we cannot let them commit crimes and syria, iraq, or our

elections. >> this is clearly why we need a change. we need to change with respect to our lead from behind. obama included poor policy. we need to fight aggression from glad amir putin, he is not done. it's not done. it's the ukraine, crimea, and syria. the baltic states are now being threatened. this is an object lesson of why we cannot lead from behind. we have to stay engaged in the world. is something i learned in in the u.s. marine corps, only strong nations to deter aggression and when necessary win wars. we have to be very careful about where and when we engage. i support for their sanctions. i support working multilaterally with our allies and partners in various regions around the world, wherever possible. pooling our resources. when he people with on the ground resources not people who have just sat in committee hearing meeting.

>> i wish would just stop talking about dropping bombs. i was born in 1971 and yet we have been out where my entire life. this is unacceptable. you have putin who is in the kgb but george senior was cia, so we have a bunch of spooks running our a bunch of spooks running our country. i think it's time we have a real person running the election in the country like maybe a mom. look up gms -- >> as i mention we have several voters with us here tonight. the next question will be asked by alexa, a parent from -- what you think needs to be done, if anything to make a more difficult for dangerous people to get their hands on guns in indiana? will you work to require background checks on all gun sales?

>> thank you for a question, it's a good one. let me begin by saying that i support the second amendment. i think our sportsman, report hunters, people who seek security in our homes have a right to own firearms, i believe that. i also think it's deeply wrong for those have been identified as terrorist, known terrorists who are deemed to be so dangerous that they cannot even get on an airplane, i don't think we should be selling, i don't think we should be selling guns to them. i also agree with the your question about violent felons, people have been convicted in a court of law committing ask of violence and felonies, we should background tracks to make sure they don't have access to firearms. we need to strike the right balance. protect the right second amendment right to own firearms. i believe in that strongly. don't let people who are terrorists get their hands on weapons. that is something that is something congressman young had been voted on repeatedly. he wants them to have guns. i think that doesn't make sense. >> mr. young. >> hoosiers can economy to protect their gunned rates most surly.

it is enshrined in our constitution, our supreme court is been quite clear. but every right has its limitations. we should ensure that nobody who is mentally ill gets access to a firearm. i have firearm. i worked very hard in congress supporting legislation to divert funding from other programs into those programs that are evident space. and they will keep in mental illness from becoming a public safety crisis. i supported funding for more psychiatric beds to care for those who need help so they don't get access to firearms. that's one bipartisan constructive thing we can do. one of the things i want to and that's in the selection is not just control the united states senate but conceivably sub controlled the u.s. supreme court. every time evan has had a chance he is voted for president obama's nominees for the u.s. supreme court. he has a voted against president bush's more conservative nominees who ground

the decision in the text of the constitution as opposed to legislating from the bench. your gun rights will be jeopardized should evan becomes an net asked u.s. senator for indiana. >> your gun rights are safe for me. i'm a straight constitutionalist. one thing i've learned is that i don't just support the second amendment, i live it. i have a carry have a carry license in indiana and it bugs me for mr. young to say that every -- has its limitations. if someone hasn't done anything wrong the wire we charging them with a crime that they can't do something. our rights are giving to us in their natural there given there given by our creator and should not be limited. as far as a no-fly zone airplane watchlist, are you kidding me? we are the a pity me political punishment. so many people, even stevens, we would not give a gun. i'm telling you i'm in favor of, the people we are arming overseas went up with the guns that we

sell them. 110,000,000,000 dollars worth that are now pointed back at that are now pointed back at your moms, dads, people serving in the military. it's time to put them on the list and stop selling guns abroad. we should not be the world's largest arms dealer . .

>> >> is action needed to up grade the program to provide adequate income and if you say yes, what would you do? >> i am so happy to have this question let me be very very clear we must keep our promise to all of our seniors. this is a turn benefit senior citizens pay into so i proposed absolutely no changes whatsoever for

current seniors and those approaching retirement 55 and older but according to obama is owned actuaries is unsustainable after 18 years does that mean there isn't enough money to pay out the benefits? i in my early forties i prepared to work another couple months to make the program sustainable my eight record is different than my applauded attacks the social security benefits your earned benefits to illegal immigrants also he voted for obamacare that cut $700 billion that is sold important to our seniors. if you want someone to fight for the hoosier values boat for eight hoosier redo is connected to the state to listen to party leaders. so they can grow big government by using your social security dollars.

>> into for your service in the marine corps i appreciate i do not mean any disrespect i have been on the mob core 25 years in a. miline: to speak the truth first choose to speak is when you run out of money stopped digging coal and stop spending. he is bank criticized for calling so security a ponzi scheme but he speaks the truth. new workers are paying for the older workers do believe the of this there is a magical trust fund? you cannot because they have been stalled from in 1913 because of the federal reserve act that ended our opportunity to have an honest money system. because of that the box of brush trees that causing bureau of dollar buildup takes $20 in and tell me get back to an honest money system we cannot have any deals for that matter.

>> the congressmen if it is hard to keep track it is not true i voted to increase taxes. it is not true that i want to give social security benefits to seniors. talk about the $70 billion profits from the insurance industry. he wants to privatize social security calling medicare wolf -- will fare -- welfare we should not put that on the backs of our seniors to increase the premiums on average of $6,000 a year. how will they make ends meet doing that? adjust is a right solids grapple with the problem of social security and medicare

but not balance on the backs of the seniors. >> these are the words of a career politician. spewing out talking points and very little veracity. he had his opportunity to make social security sustainable. he has not done anything. not known as a highly prolific professional he is all talk he spent hours social security money on everything but social security stimulus and obamacare things that the hoosiers don't want that is the record not a marine that will fight for your values. >> what we are talking about here it is people that were put into a ponzi scheme their victims no less than

an actor bernie made off. when you have something that is romney don't continue to do what is wrong you do what is right to pay off the people who were in the social security system now until the benefits run out do not enslave my grandchildren for you spent the last time i checked the congressmen is in congress but he mentioned my record in all of us things and also to help the autumn industry he said let them go belly up. i will fight to end that tax loophole congress mignon has he put - - voted repeatedly to ship the jaws back to china that is not the representation that we need in the united states.

>> we have come to a segment may i have had to scramble my notes because we're moving around. with a follow-up on the same topic with a maximum of two minutes then mr. young will have to minutes. and then they'll have a rebuttal they'll have the same opportunity to speak on the topic of their choice. >> i would like to talk about our economy and trade. my top priority is to create good jobs to have a level playing field into often

that is not the case. recently they just lost a contract because kant - - jeanette is illegally importing contract -- concrete. that has to stop. they cannot even export their products because of the illegal trade barriers. those of losing jobs and business because of currency manipulation. that has to stop also is the tax deduction that ship jobs overseas that isn't right. bear losing everything. how did they keep that tax break at the time they tried to make ends meet? it is an trite. >> q have to administer talk about trade. >> is this so hard to listen to people banter back and forth how can i slides

supple little pie for my constituents? when you spend $30 million of their race they expect a return on their investment. for every $1,000 bill to make sure they get the free trader the managed trade that they want a $1,000 over a copper penny. look to somebody like a mom who has to balance a budget. to talk about illegal currency manipulation. and maybe don't know that. and then off to do their own thing. you really don't know what it is going on until you do

research. so as americans think about where the monetary system has spent. the reason we are stagnant and have a bubble that we don't have an honest money system. so the one they've learned from flipping houses is have a strong foundation. and anders it does not matter. if your foundation is corrupt you have that. set the corporate income tax at zero. if corporations certainty about the tax laws that is used to delay any economy to level the playing field. >> i support could trade deals and those that do the

opposite don't destroy a the jobs to lower household income and we need to revisit those better working with our partners to enforce those existing trade deals but bayh did vote to unleash a flood of outsourcing to china. medicine not consistent with hoosiers i wonder where he heard that? his neighbors in washington d.c.? those that prevailed upon him as they encourage him there are other things we need to grow our economy and simplified the tax code in

effectively double tax we have a proposal to throw myself into a tax reform effort. to simplify the businesses they are not disadvantaged to our large corporations to bear so much influence to washington d.c.. so to file on the sides of a postcard with a lower small business rate. but perhaps the most important thing we can do is to remove the largest tax increase in american history of obamacare. and did not invite the republican ideas and then that supported this legislation. and that is hurting jobs so

much. >> now we're at the second phase of the debate. >> i have grown up in indiana and a native hoosier i graduated on the west side so i have been all around the city. there is one thing that has caught my heart that is our farmers. with economic prosperity. in dumping tons of chemicals into our soil. with the cash crop in fact, may vice submit to end our dependence on foreign oil these two gentlemen to my left are paid for and receive money from the oil industry.

unc where the money comes from if you go to open secret.org that is why you are denied commercial spin net your next. >> we require a strong farm economy i consistently work for a farm bill to give our communities and operations the resources they need including crop insurance so the weather can be controlled. so with the regulations coming out of the epa of the obama administration and hillary clinton promises. mr. bayh voted with clinton 85 percent of the time when they were in the united states senate. with the policy agenda is now helping to fund his campaign. there are other things we can do coming to reform our tax code to eliminate the

death tax. death should not be taxable event. he has consistently voted against the death tax even against exemptions for family farms in the state of indiana. into prevent people from passing the farms on to the next generation. but to make sure the of farming interests are recognized is to grow the economy faster. i offer the signature of regulatory reform effort of the entire congress that requires every major regulation coming out of the epa or obama regulations to come before congress with the upper down vote. but most importantly we have to repeal the largest tax increase in american history that is obamacare.

bayh gave that to us and who shares actually pleaded not to vote for that but he listened to the special interest. i and a marina will always fight for interest and your rights and your values. >> the reason i am a former tv newscaster so mr. bayh allow you to go back to talk about trade to wrap up your comments and then you can respond. my apologies. >> i get to, one minutes quick. >> yes. >> if you notice that the congressmen young never talks about why he voted repeatedly for the tax deduction and shipping jobs from mexico. companies like carrier get to deduct the cost of shipping the jobs abroad on their taxes and congressmen young thinks that is fine.

and also mentioning the trade agreements. he was for the tpp until he had a conversion the last couple of weeks depending on which way the political winds were blowing. to stand up against companies of intellectual property into make sure we stop chided and other countries with currency manipulation. there are so many charges flying around. so now would is my one minute quick. >> asked me again i may change it. bayh: thanks for bringing up

rule indiana i've got that expansion to the small town communities. and that is good for corn growers even though he is voted against that. i will say that i agree with what he said to many rules and regulations a think we need a timeout side don't support that but he has all of these false allegations ended just isn't true i disagree with hillary clinton i never repealing the death tax. he voted with the lobbyist in the insurance companies if consistently voted for hoosier interest and i will. >> need to stop playing political tricks with our farmers lives for which crop

is a winner or loser depending on who is contributing to your campaign. so what i would like to see across-the-board the goal is asian of commercial have some that would depend our dependence on foreign oil. en second of our tax is and regulation not driving businesses out of the country and we would not see them flee to mexico because a lack of certainty in our tax code in order to get the of loophole to drive a truck through let's end that contribution is o% income-tax rate to a level that playing field in countries around the world for find their giving business to us. >> obamacare has been a job

killer a disaster for this economy premiums are going up so high in this state of indiana because people have insurance through obamacare to vendor thousand people have had their policies canceled the largest tax increase in american history but perhaps you need to spend a little more time to see impact of obamacare i think of tariffs a truckdriver who has had some health problems into long drive his truck the premium was $26 a month originally that is a great deal but then it was $343 and next year now it is $1,100 a month they are taking the

penalty they no longer devonshire is that is a cost so we have to repeal and replace with a bipartisan law bayh there is a cost to a congressmen young ones to do. 350,000 hoosiers this is something of the governor did i agree with but congressmen wants to do her coho is that only bad for those people because of health care but to be shifted onto the rest of us. that is a real cost to what he wants to do to make a possible for insurance companies to charge women more for their health insurance to is because they happen to be female also a human cost to lift the cap on insurance company profits to charge you with everything want.

that just isn't right there is a human cost that he wants to reopen the forcing parents and grandparents on prescription drugs if he is able to do when he can do in the united states senate. but we need to do is fix the part of the law that can be fixed blend those that are working well. to lift the cap on small businesses and help those of the individual marketplace with competition on the -- across state lines. with the lowest cost option. and not harm people. not drive premiums up.

>> florida is yours. >> you both spent time in washington d.c. but unafraid it has turned you to the dark side. in fact, wiry discussing programs that people are forced to buy? let the free market work. we can argue over obamacare then why do we discuss what the government is forcing through taxation to buy a product they do not want or need? i have beautiful children seven and girls and three boys you should not charge me more because i am more likely to use it but in the free-market to negotiate the health care company but is it of being forced down my throat instead of having a $15,000 cost i could've had that $5,000 home birth cost paid for by my health insurance instead believe in that i can say to the american people that these

and not the senators you are looking for. >> he has left us. it is not just about obamacare and voted against the hoosiers. descent and put ideas and the reason we have a policy or is there is no consensus on the front end. one and left us with a higher health care costs. what did you do after that? and to join a major lobbying firm in washington d.c.. from the very problem that she created of obamacare of the lost our doctors and specialists.

when we needed a senator most you left us to work with them and now we can hold you accountable. >> moderator: we had the final question of the night. we are literally out of town in bayh he has voted. >> get online. we have 30 seconds for each of you. why would voters think your the best candidate to represent them in washington ? young: after eight years of the obama clinton policies they are left with debt doubt despair and a broken health care system. we need more common sense we need less washington and more indiana. i know those career politicians who want to clean house buchanan send in one together to put people

before politics i humble the ask for your vote. >> i feel like a need to step away because they are slinging so much mud i am wearing a white suit. both of these gentlemen have voted when they say business is too big to fail. i say that we are too small to drown. stop building new businesses stop bailing out your cronies keep the tax payer money in our pockets. bayh i'm running for the united states senate with all the challenges that they face to help create couldn't -- good jobs and fair trade deals to make college more affordable to send 70,000 of the young people to college to cut the programs and raising interest rate.

democrats and libertarians to do what is right that is what this election should be all about. >> moderator: we have a hard out sabena will say goodnight we will see you around this day with a special appreciation for hosting the program tonight into the league of voters. and with the last gubernatorial debate october 25th at the university of southern indiana for buchanan did that by going to the website. on behalf of the indiana debate commission have a great night.

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