them saying that the elections are rigged? >> that's the first thing you learn is civics when you go to grade school. >> i will let him explain what that means. he's calling her a liar and crooked but she comes back at him one time and he is intimidated. is that who we want to be

president? they asked him about his tax plan and congress said the numbers didn't add up. they talked about his program and he blamed everything on her. talking about people escaping, giving the intentions he didn't address what was going on at a all. he's saying the same nonsense.

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i must say i have traveled for many years and i've never quite understood the logistics of the dinners like this and how the absence could cost all three of us not to have seats. >> you have said it many times in this campaign you want to give america back to the little guy. [laughter] i am batman. [laughter] it's an honor to share with a defendandescendent of the grea smith. your great grandfathe great-gray favorite kind of governor. the kind who ran for president and lost. blue jeans in the morning

perhaps. it's nice to finally relax and where would we wear around the house. >> watch the memorial foundation dinner with hillary clinton and donald trump thursday night at nine eastern on c-span and c-span.org and listen with the c-span radio asked. asked a panel on allegations made by donald trump that the election is rigged. they hosted the scholars on apartment safeguards, voter registration and concerns about russian hacking. this is about 90 minutes. >> would you say q. is your best experience? >> good morning everybody and welcome to this event on ken u.s. elections be rigged.

rigged. eyeing the dean of the humphrey school of public affairs at the university of minnesota and we would like to thank the center for serving as a venue. we are delighted by our new partnership with the stimson center that enables us to put on activities like this. i have a very simple job this morning, to introduce our moderator for today. larry jacobs is a professor, walter and joan mondale professor for the study of politics at the humphrey school and the department of political science at the university of minnesota. he also directs our center for the study of politics and governance and he is a prolific author and scholar writing on some of the most important issues of the day.

the last year or two he is offered books on federal power help finance wins, healthcare reform in american politics, and an important study on politics and public opinion as well so we are delighted to have him at the university of minnesota and to serve as the moderator of the panel. the floor is yours. >> thank you very much. a lot of people know dean for his service in the diplomatic corps. i'm here to tell you he is also an outstanding dean which is on the tremendous rise in funding for scholarships for students, scholarships by the faculty and engagement in the community. we are here to talk about one of the most important issues the

last two and a half, three weeks which is the concern or the charge and half of americans think now voter fraud is something going on. we have an all-star panel here and per my job is to get out of the way so they can speak. doug is the director of a program we started at the school on the program for excellence administration. the first online program of the sport in the country and before coming to the school he worked at the charitable trust. we are also delighted to have with us a fellow at the bipartisan policy center who worked as a federal compliance officer and was a member of the

commission on elections. let's just start off and make sure we know what we are talking about. what is the idea do you want to start? >> i think that it's critical in this discussion because we are seeing a lot of variety in the news to distinguish exactly what we are talking about here. there've been reports and we will probably talk about both of them this morning but we want to focus first and foremost on the allegations. the other thing that's important to consider as well is that there have been discussions about the system as a whole that we need to be caught us and the fact that there are two channels we are talking about one is the voter registration systems that

list our eligible voters and then there's also the mechanisms that are used to test and tabulate so i think it's important to first of all kind of lay out the background work. it's the predetermination before it occurs or some sort of action that's going to take place to influenza in a way that our democracy doesn't intend because you could have good campaigns were commercials that certainly can't sway but what we are talking about here is exactly what that means. >> when you think about elections in this country, it focuses on the narrow piece of real estate that is the polling

place. democracy isn't just voting it's in the accounting and at least in theory it occurs when something great or a black hat gets involved in the stage where there is some sort of slipped between the voters and the actual tabulation of the results. so when we think about rigging is whether or not there's something going on, not misfeasance but malfeasance by somebody to interfere in the process going from the duly cast ballot to a valid certified results. >> what evidence is there that in either respect as you've defined it is actually going on? >> i would argue that there

isn't any evidence that this is happening. the other thing that's important to talk about is how this is being brought into the public conversation is specifically about the presidential election so i think we need to talk about it on a national scale so there are instances where there are some actors that have picked on bad things but the majority of those instances come and of course this is infinitesimal is in the local elections where you will have someone casting an absentee ballot that is into their own. it occurs occasionally and rarely that we have never seen it happen in a large-scale national election so i would argue there are no known former abilities that have been both mitigated as well as training the workers and staff as well as

all the stakeholder groups and others on what to look out for. >> the list of things people worry about, things like we have voters showing up who are dead. how is that possible. or impersonation of folks sneaking over the border into casting a ballot. can you give us a sense of what we know about those incentives? >> a lot of what you mentioned ties back to the voter registration because in order for anyone to receive a ballot they have to have been registered with the exception to exception to afew places that hn date registration at which they can register at that point. if you are talking about individuals that are ineligible for any reason they've been

seeing all of the ads where they are in a state where they fell into the disenfranchisement that hasn't restored the rate. the help america vote act requires when a registrar of voters receives the registration form that goes through a verification with other state agencies and so, those sort of things are checked and verified. so it is difficult for somebody that is not eligible to first and foremost even get registered because of the validations and defend you have to receive the ballots. ballot. if you are talking about requesting one to be mailed to someone many states require signature verification so you may be able to obtain someone's personal information on facebook but it's much more difficult to obtain what it looks like in order to actually receive the ballot and have the signature verified a second time and

actually cast. >> you are an expert and worked with a lot of folks around the country and the state and local level and you worked with officials on things like the testing of the process and then the auditing. are those helpful in terms of picking up and detecting the wholesale voter fraud that would change the outcome? >> that is a nice follow-up to what she had to say about the process. i often talk about the polling place in the traditional sense that you can't see inside. there is a fairly lengthy process that begins whereby officials are testing and retesting different parts of the

process and doing checks on the registration list and verifying the vote by mail requests. they are doing open to the public tests. in many jurisdictions there are opportunities for people to be observers. we actually go through a process before we certified the vote and then in many states including minnesota, you have a procedure called postelection auditing so we are dipping into the election stream many times throughout the process and while tammy notes coming you can hav have small disturbances that have been at the local level, the kind of wholesale altering conspiracies if you will that are being discussed right now would be so

improbable as to be impossible given the number of times we check and verify the process. there was a great line that came up during the debate in the 1980 that means trust but verify. officials trust but verify the process numerous times so that they can have confidence that the outcome is what it should be. >> i would just add that it's also noteworthy to consider the kind of numbers we are talking about. so if you talk about the number of jurisdictions inumbersof jurd states between eight to 10,000 depending what you're including in the voter registration which i wanted to, then it's more than 10,000. so, 10,000 jurisdictions some of them are run by republicans, some by democrats, all of them employees of both political parties. all of them have poll workers or

on-site election day workers that in many states require you to have either a complement of party affiliations within the board traditionally and historically it used to be d's and r.'s but with the growth they are not affiliated and many states have had to adjust the statute to allow for the unaffiliated voters to still participate so you have a complement of torque electorate to keep an eye on what's happening and they swear, they take an oath at the beginning to uphold the constitution. not a lot of people have to take the oath before they take their job duty for the day and i think they'll take it very seriously. >> obviously we have become a red and blue country and i think there's some trepidation on both sides of the aisle that when you

get to a deep blue state or red state that despite the checks that patrick mentioned, the partisans are able to kind of work their way at the ballot box or allow individuals to register who are not actually eligible. is that something that we've seen in america? >> i don't think that it is. i think we have lots of opportunities in the system to check that it's working the way it should and the majority i think it is possible if they are partisan at all to put your thoughts over the letter that follows the name and not be able to tell the partisan leaning leg that many of these officials do have very strong policy positions and we can talk about the differences between the parties that if you like.

but i see six to 856 examples of that inside job are rare to nonexistent because again you can't get away with it because it will be detected by all the different checks in the process. >> you worked in florida and for a lot of people thinking about the elections it's kind of part of the conversation. >> i was in arizona but i see where yo you're going with this. >> was florida in 2000 an example of partisanship? >> i would say to answer the question you asked in a different way you asked if there are partisans that are registering voters that are not eligible and i would say the opposite is in fact the case. people who are eligible are

having obstacles put in their path to register and participate. i am a firm believer in facts and data so in 2004, we had a voter initiative that was passed where they had to document proof of citizenship before they could register. it was no longer a sworn affidavit that was relevant and we have tens of thousands of people who registered but didn't provide documentation. the majority of them were able to obtain documentation and get registered but many of them were elderly and no longer have a valid drivers license or birth certificate so i would say there are more statutory and legislative efforts in the hopes of ensuring that no one who is ineligible to register sometimes at the cost of preventing others from participating and that's a

policy question people have to decide is it justifiable to present an american citizen who's eligible in every way to exercise the franchise if in fact it allows some strict rule that ensures that no one is able to register. >> just to be clear in arizona and efforts elsewhere, that is directed at one type of issue. is this for individuals trying to impersonate so this is sometimes folded and that it's s actually from the perspective of you all in the trenches this is a pretty narrow solution.

>> you asked was it an example of partisanship and i think the answer is no. it's true that the two parties have different views on the policy. democrats tend to worry more about the polling place for them and the outcome of someone unable to cast a ballot and republicans all things being equal it's someone that is ineligible and is still able to cast a ballot so officials come at that very differently. in that environment though what happened is there you have a secretary of state that happened to be a republican who had responsibility for but not any authority over the offices some of which were run by democrats since they elect the officials in most of florida so while they

might have seen the problem very differently it was as much about the lack of the state requires and what the locality does that was the issue. >> there are folks that are convinced that there is a threat in the system and the conversations i've had with them often involve a declaration that we just don't know about and it's going on and the kind of issues that you've raised, that's fine but it's so rampant that the detecting systems are just not picking it up.

without this kind of issue of a rampant situation but that would change the outcome x. >> i think that if in fact there was such activity and action taking place we would know about it. there are local elections in the state. if there was something widescale and prevalent. there is access to the physical machines themselves.

there are gaps in between the genes so that you can preclude any issues being transported to the next and because there's such observation of the process, i just don't believe that it's as widescale or that it's even present at all because i think we would know about it. ..

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democratic secretaries of state to say this is not the case we run a good election people need to have confidence. >> it sounds like your concern of the charge of ridding - - raking registered voters worried about voter fraud is starting to have the ability of the election officials to do what they need to do to be ready for election day. >> at the end of the debut will get the job done but bbc's some mistakes some small areas that will hopefully be caught by election day purpose of that will not be impact will if the type of things that they would verbally do during this period and not talking about connectivity.

i don't want to discount the conversation is important to have but it is better to have last year or even in january or february but not this close to election because that is what is impacting loaders confidence but issuing a review of the study that he had done it there was a study done in 2012 to ask the electorate are you confident your vote has counted and how confident are you of the vote to being cast nationally? another one came up it was centered for native but basically the same question but what was interesting is

it shows four republican voters there confidence increased before the democratic voters it was almost double. so not having a negative impact with those who were surveyed but that is the concern we just want to make sure those efforts to educate the voters continues >> in this will be the ongoing issue to see how each of the candidates for the two major parties respond. because you have the distinction to have one of the most heavily quoted experts every year when the contest rules are round.

you deal with a litany of issues. first off what are some of those issues you expect to come up this year? and could they be tied to malfeasance? or is this every day activity to run a complex system in which many ballots are cast? >> first i'll answer the question that i wish you would have vast is a follow-up. number one confidence of the election system, people like to white bear member but not face as a whole we have seen similar numbers as a whole. but the interesting numbers that he said yesterday's play out to the degree with

the election system we had e-mail exchange yesterday that it appears the claim of rigging that system are driving democrats to be more confident and supportive because another candidate is being critical. but what is most important public opinion polling doesn't necessarily reflect true public opinion. fortunately most to be better sitting down came for something they don't pay a lot of attention to the nuts and bolts of the election process. so there is a general knowledge and those opinions can change quickly. there was overwhelming support but the opponents of

the votes of the referendum look at the more you look the less they like the more facts that were made available that the majority started to be rowed to the fact that they pay attention and listen to the people like me back it quoted a lot late think they and stand the of processes allow more secure and reliable than they thought. polls are interesting and we pay a lot of attention but i feel they will understand the process better. so what happens on election day? oh what. one of the reasons why i love the work that i do trying to bring it to renew generation. because it is intensely human experience with more than 100 million voters going to hundreds of thousands of polling places.

in that environment things can go wrong. the machine will break, a long line. if experience is any guide some deals will take a swing. a car will probably drive into a polling place somewhere. stuff happens. places may run out of balance. some where the list does not get to the place on time replaces to overwhelm the physical space at the moment. and that is called what i would call the stakes or the human element.

and to be generally prepared those of the bipartisan policy center to set up election day and then in case something goes wrong. and it wouldn't be a democracy. and that is still something. >> just to be clear even though it will not go well the point is that is not the result of the intentional effort to out -- of the outcome. >> it is inevitable result of america being america. >> one of the country's experts does that surprise you on election day for

presidential elections? >> that does not surprise me because the reason why things go wrong you went around the country for six months with the stakeholder groups to find out why? we talk to those at the state and local level and academics. em what we found is that every four years to pay a lot of attention to elections and end the month right before the presidential election may be in the primaries but in those of cycle years to go to the legislatures to try to get legislation for improvements they don't

donizetti's attention they should be given. the pair down and a tried and true on the american voting experience. many have picked up those reforms and will try them out during the first presidential election. and that is important to note is sent from lack of trying. look at the national conference of state legislatures they keep track of what is trending and reforms of the election better introduced. we have more states with online voter registration. we know that can improve the voter rolls.

made no deficiencies there. >> unfortunately with the commission report actually do think it is very well written. could you flesh out some of these things that you takeoff quick. >> we were cast by an executive order to look at 10 different areas everything from voter registration to provide language assistance, military and overseas and voting technology as the buffet of the election issues. so, but the marietta of recommendations by the commission that was president obama is general counsel and also governor

robb these attorney. did come up with those on-line registration something that we should be doing to modernize the registration 51 foundation of your democracy let's really look at how zero voters are registering and when they changed at address that they change their registration. if they have different interpretations whether or not that is the automatic opted or opt out to revisit those ways they keep accurate they have very specific recommendations for military and overseas

because they would lead cancel at the end of every year. because we did not believe was appropriate. things are as simple as the ballett layout can be as important to make sure about lettuces reported one -- a balanced is reported. how do i cast my selection? is it three or is it to? so we do those practices that should be done but in many cases states are precluded because it is in the statute of the gas to be in capital letters but that is the worst possible way to present information so there are ways to make sure there is more integrity in the system everywhere and they are trying to get those

reforms passed in many have been successful but there is still a lot of work to be done. >> you all our in the eternal optimist and wildhorse is castro reelection officials perhaps unfairly all of those who do the work of democracy. is there an opportunity as well with where technology is? the areas you have had trouble of let you talk about where we have the solution that is the only rational way to be bad in this case it applies.

what i really appreciate from election officials is the commitment to the notion to improvise and adapt and over cow. >> and that is how we lay out of ballots. our program currently runs a course of the election design. so check us out of that. they work together and talk to one another about early voting or vote to by mail. but as we kind in to this note what does this new technically involved era uc jurisdictions share ideas how to protect their data base those that want to

steal personally a identifiable intermission how to make those systems accessible to those with disabilities or if english is not a first language. that is not just a turn of phrase but this is a group that doesn't expect to be universally e acclaimed. i like to refer to them as the grenade catchers and they're used to be aligned of fire but they find a way to identify a solution and share it with one another. every problem is an opportunity. >> just to calm to the issue of technology, does it offer

a way for voter registration with high-level of certainty to identify the person and if they are eligible to vote ? that is the main concern. >> yes. bc and ad and tammy mentioned that in the commission report that was one area which was surprising of tremendously bipartisan. the online voter registration has been adopted in the bright red states are bright blue states partly because it buries the two concerns the party has. but the state's tend to have the eligibility check. so there are lots of opportunities to make that more available. the to charitable trusts have set up something with

electronic education center where they share the data with one another. not just as they are not eligible but to identify people who are eligible for the unregistered. and to send them an application for the on-line registration portal. it is easier than ever to register to vote and to check and update your registration. it is easier than ever to find out where do i vote? technology has made the distance as short as the distance from your thumb to your smart phone. those setter registered and to improve the integrity of the process.

with those only eligible citizens and with that citizenship and other eligibility checks are made in to the on-line registration and then they are double checking all the time. but a peak the confidence and quality of the registration should be at the all-time high. >> to go once step further and i am very biased for online voter registration. and that is on my cell one negative soapbox for over a decade part of the reason i am excited about that is not only does it have all of the efficiencies but with the

third-party stakeholder groups and then that a voter feels they have registered because they have a piece of paper handed to somebody with a clipboard and it turns attitude have a clipboard you can do just about anything because people trust a clipboard. but with online voter registration. and to many of the state's and to send it to those who are doing registration.

and for the political parties and that stakeholder effort to shift to the work from registering voters the right thing they would be thrilled. >> every is this challenges. with the advent of online voter registration so can the system handle the load? with the russians at the last minute and to my dear say that rivals any one at the peak. on either side that is

personally identifiable information name and birth date for those who would steal it not is in to protect the elections process. with the department of homeland's security. and to educate the stats. in to look for back doors and side doors. we have to treat voter data like the gold that it is. or people will do bad things with the. >> talk about the hacking issue. we have seen large retail companies with the political

parties of the political campaign should we be worried by other it is a rusher and a - - russian effort these are in terms of of registration rolls. >> all these things have to deal with voter registration it is important to consider in many states the vast majority of the information filed public information. and you get the entire role. so it was 1 penny per name unless you have to million registered voters it adds up quickly.

so to talk about voter registration information that is a misnomer. is is the application and process it doesn't get access to the database and put that on to the voter file. it is the application the same way to put that into the system to run the background check for those us set up the more expensive check so that is the application process they have the redundancy file. so i will modify my registration on line but what i've actually seen what i put in my information with

my old address so i can change it that is either up loaded every night or every hour. it isn't the awful system itself securely access saying the duplicate. so that is what we have seen it is important to know that most dates provide that voter file to the political parties that is ridley get their canvassing door-to-door list and with those offices in instances of the political party. >> is the real threat of packing that the russians

can come and. >> you hear that the answer is no and because of all the different ways we checked the system. some people may fear that but i don't think it is likely. is impossible to change the outcome of the election because those types of threats are the systems like voter registration. sewed to be worried that somehow a bad actor whether a state actor could interfere to get between the ballots and the outcome is possible if not impossible. >> also what really is at stake is to play devil's

advocate if they did get an and deleted half of the voter file in a jurisdiction , those will still show up and vote or request a ballot and have confidence. when they do so if they're not in the files have the ability to cast a provisional ballot so that would be looking to see why do we have a huge influx of these ballots to say what is us similarities blacks and then they would count to track bad back to the system and which staff member there are ways to monitor the system and custody documentation so that is really critical when you

talk about the about casting and tabulation it is very rare because then not aware of the civil jurisdiction that has their equipment connected to the internet had actually has standards and laws that require the cannot have it connected to the internet. but there are protocols in place this same batting is down loading that did different stick for each election. there is hell long laundry list the outcome is that we are talking about some of these before election officials said department of romance security has offered

a whole host of calls with secretaries of state but the assistance commission would be remiss to talk about deals standing rules that they play that when the commission that i was on there were no commissioners and then have outstanding work to get those approved that will allow for the increase performance of our elections with the oncoming years. now we just have to decide who will pay for the equipment and the vast territory of officials this will probably be the last election it will use the current equipment that they have. that is another layer.

>> i just want to follow up given us the next-generation days the getting is imperative in with those questions and the concerns about hacking that whenever a machine comes on line is shared have that paper ballot? or is that so we antiquated to move past that? >> i believe pretty much every single state has a requirement for the paper record for the next reiteration of voting equipment and currently there only the couple of statements haven't of paper record to ensure the validity of the election so with the ballot box every

teacher restriction does the reconciliation audit the people that signed did should actually be the same as the number of ballots cast. everybody does that balance also like those hand account audits. but the new equipment is looking to have is they are looking for records in those states that are considered the official ballot cast. >> whether or not it is paper, restates needs to have a system that is audible if they are not doing it they should be doing a post-election audit to make sure the l. come that was reached was the outcome of the ballot. right now paper tends to be the best way whether or not there is a technology to independently verify it is

important that is audible. here's a question from the audience very good conversation so isn't the case of the critics of the system does that worry about hacking have already done quite a bit of damage by raising confusion and will raise confidence and casting a pale over the coming elections. >> and that is the concern. it is difficult because the elections process gets down and the weeds really quickly with the details so it is much easier to make a false claim that is broad and expansive and then have to

combat with the details of what is going on. that is the challenge we are faced with. there was a hearing not far from here about this topic and one of the congresswomen said idol believe the russians had any intention to have anything but that already created chaos they had been successful slave hopeful that plays out not to be true in a the long ride -- the long run. with their not you are done county or canvassing but we will really find out if in fact, if they underestimated

the tenacity of the american voter and the american electorate because everyone will make sure they understand what their options are. with a half to go to the polls on the eighth three years seeing record numbers of absentee ballots large numbers of individuals showing up that early voting sites that have opened across the country yesterday i saw 5 million people have already voted. so the american electorate will turn out. their registering in record numbers. but i am an optimist. >> but the challenges all the things that you comment on to understand and analyze

that come up during elections with stuff just happening isn't now the reality that because we have a conversation that will now give credence to the idea of the administrative slip ups will be seen more sinister? >> i guess so but that is pretty heated rhetoric whether or not the charges are false i do think we have the data we can just show that the system works the way it is supposed to even when stuff happens on election day. we actually seeing americans react. i hatta block a couple of weeks ago they are voting sooner, taking their registration to make sure

their ballot counts on november 8. so yes there is of concern but each individual seems to make sure that our her vote is cast and counted. am i worried there is a lot of negative energy? absolutely but will that be a problem? no. because we have the data to show that. >> so let me give you a question which are we giving it attention and more credibility than the charges deserved? >> i have said this in the last couple of weeks and i would say if we weren't discussing it or repudiate to then sometimes silence legitimizes the stated claim so it is critical that we talk about all of the

safeguards that are in place to ensure that the system is secure and there is integrity in the process. but i do hear that and i understand that perspective but i think if we're not out there with the correct information that the wrong information will continue to be conveyed and we need to be dealt baird to dispel that. >> similar type of question but the day after the election when one of the major candidates has won. make the argument they lost because the system was rigged. how do we respond? >> prove it. there will be piles and terabytes of data available to show the system worked the way it was intended. many states allow a contest procedure we had one in

minnesota with the u.s. senate race but you cannot allege a problem you have to prove it enough votes in question. right now is rhetoric event happens after the election as an allegation that has to be backed with proof then we will hashing out if not it is just rhetoric. >> so to paraphrase michelle bauman said if one of the candidates goes in the direction of breaking then your suggestion is go high for the data prior. >> but prove it. it is easy with talk is cheap. and multiple times per day i do election's not politics but i enter stand that rhetoric but when you come for the elections especially

the day after you need to have proof you cannot just say it doesn't work you have to prove it. election nor officials of how the time to know they are plucking enough david the way it should have worked. >> let me give you an example of those who were doubters? image you worked for a few and they did a study on the election rolls. and any state had done a good job to keep that accurate. those who were suspicious of the election system point to the study to say there are 18 million names that our fraudulent of the eldest. what is wrong with that. >> we don't have time to cover all of that but that study was done with the intent to show how the

current registration system sometimes lags reality those who have died or moved to large number of those they move from one place to another. even if you were on the ball if you registered your new address you did not realize to let the old address you do not live there it is a duplicate record if you try to vote in both places almost certainly you will be found out. people who die every me because sometimes the election offices takes more time than it could. but those things usually quickly identified. there is a lag because we are a nation of hundred million people that are constantly moving data of one and six per car tremendous mobility the voter registration has

always been a lag. but one of the benefits is it gives the voters of possibility to checking and update their registration or quit the with the help of programs to help states tracked the movement as well . there is a lag does that mean 18 million dead or relocated will double cast their ballots? >> no. >> i would absolutely agree and push back all the fraudulent registration the vast majority are eligible individuals who have the audacity to move for get married. many people have life changes they don't think of contacting the supervisor of elections to let them know they have moved our studies have proven that the voters believe when they do change of address that the postal

service said updates their address automatically on voter registration and that is not the case. some do that but the state of minnesota has done not as well because that is what they are already taking. >> i know the nuts and bolts of our election laws reflect the people that we service and our services and that is important going forward. >> so taking forward and tell after the election would is concrete that either washington or the states ought to be lucky and to create the reality in the parents.

>> i have a long list for the best place to start is the report there are a number of reforms and i have been talking with and i will say whether that that is subject to debate. but every ready she previously whether or not your existing and to many alexian loves from 50 or 60 years ago, they have been updated over time but certainly with the older process m procedures they need to be reviewed. one of the things i've been

chain to this day legislators and it was incredibly in necessary to cover registration before the election because you had to get all the information keyed into a system. for those 1/2 on on-line firm registration. that is a process to get the updated views the electronic poll book you can update data of the weekend before tuesday's election to have that applied in plenty of time what you need to. so that the solution it be talking yet about. the funding is because we need to start considering a revenue stream for reelection as not every 10 years we decide to put a chunk of money into

equipment and then have the stopgaps along the way. is critical we pay attention and devote resources to it. >> with your agenda items. >> we need to up our investment. number one. and federal money or state money or a partnership need need to find a way to make the cost of elections manageable for officials so they don't have to go hat in hand every decade or so. but many books off and it looks more like 1910 as we do not think of the poll book but also think of the community itself.

the election demonstration from election professionals but understand the job collection has changed. you are not just someone who is collecting votes but thinking of cybersecurity and identity theft. the way to layout and design the ballot. think of all does different communities language language, disability, the job is much more complex who can make the asked for funding and procedures but that also do day-to-day work to make sure the process works. >> president's commission they served on was for a

concerted effort to create trade for election officials >> want to say something about that? >> but the varied skills set as say wide perspective. we know there are states that have programs so in order to conduct an election you have to go through the secretary of state certification program, a weeklong training and goes over the of stabilize and what you need to know in a background. in some cases they were one negative but to be hired on

as a job and then not have any experience price speak from personal experience and is a learning curve so to have that established to educate themselves on the job and what is necessary, most and wants elections get into your blood you don't turn back it is a career path that to with every possible say you could imagine could and that there is not the dole day though today's are the same landed is exciting and filling and rewarding position. this is for the election official but we recommended to show there are some procedures in place because

co-workers trade to the first time then they never had to go to training began which elections change allot the laws change with litigation. >> i am curious. what you think of this? there is a lot of criminalization that officials don't look like the communities they are in. there is enormous generational title wave of books in the election world that are retiring or thinking about it. does that create an opportunity to create avenue election officials quick. >> absolutely. right now most did not wake

up to decide they wanted but we have an opportunity in the wave of rehab - - retirements. right now we tend to take existing officials to teach them about how to reach out and how to make the polls accessible and how to reach people from different rfa claim which communities and that is an important challenge. there's also an opportunity right now the people love disabilities soared to citizens or racial language to teach them and make that profession look like the population not the electorate. talk about shortening the

distance in many ways making it look like the population shortens the distance that the system works for them. and the school is dedicated to diversity. the short answer it is yes. >> but somoza audience questions what to think of the efforts like registered poll watchers? a number of states have created. there is concern that some ways it intimidate voters because of the strategy or

do you think as legitimate in to find a way of greater confidence as both parties can be a deal lections site to verify. >> the critical distinction is whether or not there are officials but if they are credentialed they can come into the polling place and observe all the functions but there are restrictions what they can or cannot do. they cannot have to talk to the supervisor of those restrictions have unencumbered access.

then there are others that are outside the polling place and can speak to the voters. that is how they handle it. and to have great value, the jurisdiction that day, from the day go to training? no. did-- sometimes misremember what they heard? at times proposal that could be very helpful to call my cell phone two say they don't understand this piece. that was incredibly eagle awful how lever if they are not credentialed trying to fled pieces to prevent

access we did have individuals that had video cameras, machine guns strapped on their back and i am challenging their right to vote. of course, that is prohibited purpose of that is where is this important we know who will be participating and whether or not they follow the actual process which is wonderful. but if they are broke actors to try to intimidate, of course, that is incredibly easy problematic. it is important for everyone to know that this sanctioned party is food to why call? that is important that part

is out there so if that should occur we can address that immediately and present that to before the impacts additional voters. >> to make a sharp point, donald trump has been saying at campaign rallies we have to watch the voting places to prevent the rating and other sorts of concerns about elections being stolen. but i believe you say that's fine. , watch but, this process is stablish by the republican and democratic party to be registered poll watcher word exist. becoming constructive part of the process. but don't come to the polls with the 80th you will intervene with voters trying

to engage with their constitutional right. >> follow the rule of law. there are laws about this and access points the individuals can observe say they should contact local political party to find out what they can do to participate. many are frustrated because they are looking for some poll workers. jurisdictions will see tenner 5920% of their workers will cancel. on election day 15 percent will to show up at all. i have been observing elections last couple of years one out of 71 person showed up as a few are concerned to be an observer is great but i would

challenge individuals to be a poll worker and go to the training to find out the mechanism to know that you will be there and service every voter in gardens of affiliation. you are not there is a point to challenge any individual if that is the intention then you need to revisit and understand your rights in your state. >> interesting thing to watch is we have had concerns in the past for large numbers of people to go. my experience has spent that day often don't show but it is more talk than action. so there will be prepared

but there is no guarantee that they will. i know election officials probably more so thinking how they set up the care application in case somebody does show up with either the improper attitude or a little more aggressive than of law allows to figure out how to balance to keep voters safe but not drive them off. but one of the things to watch is whether or not all the talk about people let the polls comes to pass and its experience to just that it may not. >> don't freak out yet. be ready but i think it is worth to be prepared you'd rather have it not have been

banned the alternative. >> given your experiences, what is your vice to the states that think about how to respond to what we hope will be a rare incidence of voters being intimidated? . .