the roots, the basic roots go back to those days. about ten years ago, trying to listen to the politicians in european countries, the politics were a week idea rather than

political attitude or political idea but it has become a very serious political activity. a good benefit for politicians, the united states, quiet in terms of islamohphobia, an important topic and political life as well. islamohphobia requires immediate addressing, immediate struggle in order to make it not academic. kind of academic to all of us, and a part of the world, what can we do?

we need a good education. some of the islamohphobic actions i due to something that was consciously thought. they are done willingly and knowingly, but some comes out of ignorance, they didn't know anything about it. they say nasty thing about islam, education is important. in the long line as well. secondly we have to be very careful, religion may not be very important in one country. for example, saying nasty things about the profit may not be important in this part of the world, i don't mean this part, in america but in any part of the world but if it is important

in some other part, we have to respect the values of other cultures. secondly, in the life of culture, very strong in the west, and this is the mother and the father of islamohphobia as well, the culture and the civilization, apart from a description using a descriptive statement using a dogmatic normative statement as well. huntington knows quite a lot, very important thing, the

western idea of superiority is not scientific, is not moral and is dangerous, one important civilization in the world -- he says you know, you have an assumption, we think everyone is like us and if they are not like us they want to be like us. if they don't want to be like us they have to be forced to be like us. not just an assumption. this is something we do quite a lot of things, not just an idea, this is not scientific, not global and -- dangerous.

because it is with us. >> you helped us turn the corner to solutions, provocatively turn the corner to solutions, respecting the value of other cultures, questioning the western idea, western projection of superiority, let's make this a conversation about throwing out some ideas of specific solutions, how does one address this phenomenon and then turned to the audience and jump in wherever you would like to on this round? >> i care about the language and how we talk about it.

mehmet aydin was talking about the belief system, that if we put those on-site we have other belief systems in our language we take for granted, changing the language is extremely important. we sincerely without fear talk about islam not with prejudgment, to confirm or verify assumptions, how do we open up the subject? >> you said something important about nature of dialogue. it is one of these buzzwords, we have been seeing in recent

presidential debates there is very little dialogue going on, socrates was the founder of the western rational tradition. when people talked to socrates they usually thought they knew what they were talking about, but after half an hour of it, they found they didn't know about crucial matters. they said don't we have to go back to school? we know nothing. socrates said at that point you become a philosopher, when you know you know nothing at all. that we are a very omniscient society. everybody suddenly has become an expert on islam. they read an article or something and they know, we have to dismantle, the things they say are really embarrassing.

the depths of ignorance that is involved. superiority, realizing how little we know, then we are open, let them shake us. >> i think we have to have patience, it is not something -- classification is going to go away. muslims are going to larger political dynamics in europe and the us. in education, not just education about islam itself, i think the point is very important,

diversity in the community, after 9/11 in california the largest objection the iranian american community had, when the axis of evil happens, didn't want to be put in that box. showing the diversity of muslim culture, the foundation group sponsored, very important to ensure muslims -- more than that we have 2 separate islamphobia and muslim phobia, not just what people believe but a great deal of a problem exists on an

everyday basis, younger muslims moving businesses into government into various sectors and the pressures they feel, not just what is in the holy book or what is not but the axis of evil with every day aspirations and not something you can necessarily address, it requires more engagement and the solution rests in the population of the west, not universities, can't pretend to won 8 on it but university campuses rooming with somebody, going to class with people the burden falls on them. i am not very optimistic in the short run.

we are in a dark period. it is no longer about terrorism or 9/11 or foreign policy, we have become unwittingly entangled in nasty big forces going through american politics, immigration problems were embedded in the culture war. muslims have it more difficult than mexicans and parts of western civilization. i don't think muslims saw this coming and they don't have easy strategies to disentangle themselves across europe, and find their footing and thinking about it. one of the most depressing things, having a president who

is sympathetic -- >> not really changing, destroys everything. a miserable dialogue of cultures, and cultural diplomacy, it has enormous problems. from our terminology, it goes directly. >> these are important points. you have the politics of

islamohphobia and this notion that he could be muslim phobia instead of islamohphobia and it could get worse before it gets better which is a worry for what we are doing today. >> just interviewed families and friends recruited by isis and when they were talking over skype saying come back four generations, the grandfather in world war ii against the nazis and all the times in which -- based on his color. and people had these feelings in school, all the bullying and things he has gone through which are expressions of

islamohphobia, what is the point? no matter what i do or how i much i tried to prove i am french they will never accept me for who i am. these actions for me because everyone in the panel said it, they have a reaction and we are all part of it. it is not an extreme group of people, this is all of us. there are groups who are trying to do something about it. trying to have dialogue, they are hosting it, i am part of the problem because i may have contributed to islamohphobia, we need to know we are all part of this, and having these dialogues to have