the presiding officer: the senate will come to order. the clerk will read a communication to the senate. the clerk: washington,d.c., october 24, 2016. to the senate, under the provisions of rule 1, paragraph 3 of the standing rules of the senate, i hereby appoint the honorable michael b. enzi, a senator from the state of wyoming to perform the duties of the chair. signed orrin g. hatch. president pro tempore. the presiding officer: under the previous order, the senate stands adjourned until stands adjourned until

>> the senate holds these pro forma session every few days to prevent president obama for making any reset appointments. they will be back after the election for its lame duck session to extend government funding passed december 9. that is a deadline that would avoid a government shutdown. lawmakers also plan to work out differences with aid to the city of flint michigan to repair their contaminated drinking system as well as other issues. see the senate right here on november 15 on c-span2. we are just 15 days before the election and we continue our road to the white house election. join us in just under two hours for remarks from hillary clinton in new hampshire and democratic senator elizabeth warren is joining her. five coverage starts at 1230 eastern on our companion network c-span. back here we will be live out

one eastern eastern. we will bring you discussion on u.s. space technology. live here on c-span2 beginning on 1:00 p.m. eastern. little bit later, it looks like it's campaign roundtable with political advisers. they will be taking part hosted by georgetown university and you can see it live right here on c-span2. >> tonight on the communicators, james lewis, senior vice president at the center for strategic studies looks at the alleged russian cyber hacking of the u.s. system and the cyber strike against russia. he is interviewed by riders investigator. >> the russians hacked into both campaigns in both 2012 and 2008 and 2008. what's different this time is the release of the data. before they took e-mail donor

lists and research. this is the third time they've done that. what's different is the overt political use - watch the communicators tonight at 830 eastern on c-span2. >> now more state race coverage from around the country. the debate between candidates for delaware's new governor. this is just about an hour live from the university of delaware, this is delaware debates. >> good evening. on behalf of delaware media and the center for communications, i would like to welcome you to

delaware debate 2016. these debates are made possible with the financial support of aarp delaware and additional support for cancer society, cancer action network. joining me to co- moderate this debate is doctor lindsay hoffman, associate director of the university of delaware and james dawson, political reporter for delaware public media. our first debate is between the candidates for delaware governor. it includes democrat john carney and collin panini. welcome to delaware debates 2016. >> thank you. it's great to be with you. >> tonight's debate will be divided into two parts and for our audience has well. following a one minute opening statement from each of you, they will pose questions to the candidates. responses in this section will be limited to one minute 30 seconds with the rebuttal and

the opportunity for follow-up discussion. the second part of our debate will include questions from students from the university of delaware and delaware state university. this year we are also taking online questions from members of the public. responses in this portion are limited to one minute. each candidate will have one minute for closing statement. hour live audience here at mitchell hall understands that there will be no applause during tonight's debate. we did hold the coin toss to determine the order. with that we will begin with colin bonini who has the first opening statement. one minute. >> fantastic. the crowd knows we get very strict instructions before this debate and i noticed in one of the instructions it said that free hairstyling and makeup were available. i'm just here for the free makeover so i appreciate that.

i think the choice in this election is very clear. we can do more of the same or we can change course. i would argue that delaware must change course. i think if you look at our economy or the crime in our neighborhood or downstate, i think delaware is facing extraordinary challenges and my contention is that simply doing more of the same, voting for more of the same, you are going to get more of the same. i think the choice tonight is very, very clear. you can vote for more the same, but, or i would ask you to support change and ask you to support me, colin bonini for governor. >> thank you in good evening. for a lot of us, delaware is a great place place to live and work and raise our families, but for too many of our neighbors, the opportunities are just too

few. when i grew up, most of my neighbors worked in the industrial facilities along the delaware river. they were good jobs. they last a lifetime but there are so few out there today. the first priority for the next governor has to be creating jobs for working families. you can't talk about the strength of our state without talking about the strength of our largest city. the violence is terrorizing families and making it difficult to have a positive business climate downtown. part of the solution has to be in our schools. for too long we have jumped from one reform to the other. we must pass pick a strategy and stick to it. i am running for governor because we need summary with the vision encourage to lead our state in a very uncertain future. thank you for coming tonight. >> we will now get started with

the question. >> this has been referred to as murder town usa. since 2011, 765 people have 765 people have been shot and 132 of them died from gun violence. what will you do as governor to reduce the number of deaths and injuries from gun violence. >> whatever is necessary. i think if there has been. i think we need a governor and leadership up and down the state of the city of wilmington who will say this is unacceptable. if we have to bring in the state police, you do it. if you have to build substations in high-risk immunities, you do

it. i think the first thing that has to changes we need the courage to say this is unacceptable i think greater enforcement is the answer. i have to tell you, whatever that solution is, like i said, combining police forces, we need more police in those neighborhoods integrated into the community so the violence will stop. wilmington can't make progress until people feel safe. i think it's one of the greatest failures of our political culture here in delaware and i think we need to elect a governor that will say this will stop no matter what i have to do >> you have one minute for a bottle. >> this is a big problem. it has to be a top priority for the next governor. we need a different approach to law enforcement in the community i've been in these neighborhoods, i've coached these kids. we need to do a better job with

more of a community-based up approach and we have to address the root causes of these problems. that is academic failure early on in school. we have to make sure that kids in wilmington get a much better education than they are today. it has gone back generations. now is the time we need a governor to work with the legislature and all the school districts involved, put in place an educational plan for our city so that every child, every child coming up in neighborhoods in the city of wilmington gets a good education and an opportunity to participate in an increasingly difficult and more competitive economy like we have today. >> moving into our follow-up conversation. at this point, i don't want to cut you off, but i have to for time. >> i thought i saw a 15. >> there is a slight disconnect.

>> while 15 seconds will move to stop. the 15 seconds will remain. once you see 15 seconds you do have 15 seconds and then you have to stop and we do have time for follow-up conversation but i want to encourage you to have much of a conversation on this issue and we will be here to prompt that conversation printout turn it back to lindsay hoffman. >> you talked a lot about wilmington so far. a report from the police department this year showed that serious crime like robbery, burglary, assault and law violations are on the rise in the city. what will you do to combat crime beyond wilmington in places like dover and western sussex county? >> let's let mr. carney continue with his thought and will come back to you colin bonini. >> the problem is true. we need smaller communities that are easier to address, your talk about local police and law enforcement that have that as their primary responsibility. western sessa county, you're

talking about the delaware state police. they report to the governor and they have to provide the leadership up and down the state to move more toward a community-based approach of policing. that's where law enforcement is seen as somebody coming into a neighborhood, not to occupy it, not to approach everybody as if they are a criminal, but to address the unique crime problems in each of those small towns in sessa county. >> i would like to give you a chance to jump in. >> it's very close to my heart. you can join wesley who brought me to delaware. there is a shooting within two or three blocks and it seems like every month now. the bottom line is, we need more police. i agree with john, they they need to be integrated directly into the community.

we need more enforcement. i realize that my not be the politically correct thing to say in this national discussion we are having, but the truth is, you can't better yourself, you can't better the life of your family until you feel safe in your communities and in terms of the rural areas in sussex, the bottom line is, we need more state troopers. they been understaffed for years and if you dial 911, it might be 45 minutes before you see a trooper in some areas. i think that's a very strong state responsibility and i think the governor has responsibility to provide the resources to law enforcement. quickly, again, prosperity solves so many of these problems. when people are working and they feel safe with their families and their safe in the economic environment, they're getting up and going to good jobs, that solves a lot of the crime and drug problems. i think prosperity problems will help solve a lot of these issues >> we will revisit these issues

but we want to stay on track with our topics that were going to move on. i don't know if even in our would be enough to discuss wilmington. were going to jobs and the economy. >> big corporations like dupont can pull jobs from delaware and there was one that was held up as a model for small startups and moved its headquarters to boston and faced layoffs recently. is it worth doing out millions of dollars in tax breaks to these companies or should we be focused more on local job. >> the goal is to help with the transition from the economy of more of an industrial age like some of the jobs i referred to at the outset along the delaware river into more of an innovation economy. the university of delaware actually has to be right at the forefront in developing some of those venues here at the stark campus. we just cut a ribbon earlier this week so it's true that the

fact that we can rely on the pot is long gone. i think the pot probably had 35000 police in our state. when the announcement was made that dupont was going to merge, they were down to 6600. then they were down to 1700. we we are down to less than 5000. two of the three companies are going to spin out that are headquartered here, but the economy for the future will be more about small businesses, innovation, and that is about creating a climate where businesses can be successful and thrive. government doesn't create jobs, we create a climate where businesses can be successful and fund infrastructure so businesses can get their products to market. they provide the university the

talent that businesses need. increasingly it's about talent and workforce in terms of where the jobs are gonna go. >> you have a one minute rebuttal. >> delaware is not a place people bring new businesses. there's a reason. i believe they asked ceos and business leaders why are you bringing your jobs to delaware. they had very clear answers. they said you're not a right to work state, your government is too big, too expensive, too intrusive, your school aren't good enough. a strong governor can help fix all of those problems. i think john is absolutely right, the economy is changing, we are looking at more of an entrepreneurial style, but i'm not giving up on manufacturing jobs. i think the reality is, if the state government would create an environment where those business folks want, grow their jobs, i

think we can do it. i'm excited if we get strong leadership that we would be able to create a new environment. it's not happening now. >> let's get into follow-up conversation but i want to pinpoint something that relates to your opening statement. it put the blame for the stale economy on those currently in office and that goes to both of you. you both have been office for a long time he said new blood is needed, fresh thinking to revive the stale economy. he may be advocating for more republicans to emerge, what should voters think either of you would do to bring change instead of more the same. >> i have been very clear about what i do. i believe a plan to improve public education system that starts with quality early education for all, particularly those from disadvantaged

backgrounds from our state, it involves getting resources so teachers have the resources they need and students have what they need. it focuses on making sure. we need to put a premium on higher education. same thing with jobs. we have an extensive plan. we need to look at our plan for growing the economy. you have to compete every day. you tell me to stop,. >> this is a moderated conversation and you can conference converse with each other. >> i thought there was a clock. >> to the point about right to work, and all the employers that

have come to us and talked about setting up a facility here, i've never heard the issue of why you're not a right to work state i don't know whether that's the solution. >> let me address that. >> swords because those companies are in south carolina. and georgia and tennessee. i got into a very interesting conversation with a very strong advocate for labor and he was screaming at me about right to work trying to physically intimidate me because which is kind of funny because i'm a big big guy. we didn't agree on this and i finally kept asking him, what's the the average age of an autoworker in delaware. he said they make less in right to work states than in non- worked to right to work.

the answer is zero because there aren't any. right to work, it doesn't have to be statewide, we can negotiate what this looks like. right work is one component of it, but i think the entire environment, and your initial point was who is to blame and you're right, it's all of us. i'm not in the senate happens to be the democrats that are in charge now. we need the republicans to control half the general assembly, it's all of us. i don't think there was some evil plan. we had created an environment, businesses do not feel welcome in delaware and we have to work together to change that perception and i think having a conservative leaning governor who is pro-business would go a long way toward that. >> let's move on. i know we can talk more about this as well. we do have other topics in this 1i think is quite important to every person in the state of delaware. we are moving on to the issue of

education. >> school funding remains an issue in the state. do you believe a comprehensive look at school funding is needed ? why or why not? >> the answer is yes, absolutely we do. my bottom line is that every dollar in our public education system should follow the students, wherever that student is. do we need more resources in the higher priority schools? absolutely. it may surprise you because i am a strong fiscal conservative, but absolutely. i think a significant problem to education reform is our funding system. if you graduated from the university of delaware and you have a degree in nuclear science, you probably still can't figure out what our public funding system is. it's extraordinarily difficult and complex and quite frankly,

than a money doesn't get down to the classroom where i think everybody believes that belongs. the short answer is yes, absolutely, absolutely, i think we need to fundamentally change our public education funding system. the bottom line is the money should follow that student down to the classroom. >> you have a one minute rebuttal. >> we don't have an underfunded education system. could we use additional resources in classrooms with a high percentage of disadvantaged students? we could. we should look at mechanisms to do that and they should be mechanisms that are flexible depending on who the principle is in that school, the needs of that student population. i went to talk to the principal, doctor brown at washington elementary school outside of dover and i asked him, if he was given additional state dollars or educational dollars, and he

got some from race to the top, what would he do with it. he said he would put in place an extended day program and they did that and were able to move their kids along. i asked doctor brown what he would do with the state dollars and he said he would hire social psychologist because he had so many kids that came to his classroom with problems and trauma. all the different schools have different needs and we also have some ability in a system that is well-funded. >> i invite colin bonini to participate in this conversation unless our panels have a follow-up. >> he's absolutely right. we are not underfunded. we are in the top ten and most of it comes from the state. it's not a resource issue. but i do think the key here is getting those resources down to the classroom. i say who should be responsible for school reform? i think it's parents, teachers

teachers and principals, by the way, in that order. they know exactly what the true issues that students are facing. if we can get those resources out of the well-intentioned programs and bureaucracies we've created and get them directly into the classroom in the hands of the principals come a teachers and parents, i think you will see tremendous progress >> to both of you, what is your position on state funding for higher education that goes beyond the money for workforce development. >> you've got to cut the university of delaware. oh, i'm sorry. >> let me let mr. carney into that first. >> summit he asked me the other day, and i've been working as a member of congress to address college affordability and we've seen the cost of higher education going up on almost in annual basis. to keep our college tuition as low as possible it's to make

sure the legislature and the governor put money in the budget to support those institutions and delaware and technical college for those are going to be the drivers of the economy and the future. we talked about the star campus in the incubator that's going in down there. there's a lot of good things happening at delaware state university. it can be in central delaware and should be. the only way they can do that is if they're well resourced and the university, of course, has capacity to attract private dollars and donors for other individuals. we need to make sure we follow through on our commitment to higher ed when we know that the economy five years from now and beyond is going to be dependent on the success of our institution. >> if you have a 102nd response to that. >> my campaign managers going to hate when i say this, but john

is dead on right. i would actually include our private ad as well. i think they are part of the solution for the economic problems. i will quickly, the cost of college has got to be addressed. i was listening when he made a speech the other day and please, if i'm misquoting, tell me but when you went to dartmouth it was $6500 now at $65000. despite his gray, he's not not that old of a guy. >> before we get into inflation, let's move onto the to the next topic. we are going to talk about the environment and energy. >> a question. >> it's coming. >> i have the opposite one this

is too easy. there's an essay to follow. you said one of the most serious threats facing our state is climate change and sea level rise. what initiatives would you introduce to reduce these threats? >> this is a tough issue because , to affect climate change, you need national and international policy. that's frankly where congress has failed to come together within the administration to address some of this issue nationally and internationally. we've had some recent agreements internationally for reduction of some of these. for us, it has to be on coastal resiliency. we can argue till the cows come home about what's causing global warming, but the rising seas are

indisputable. we are a low-lying state. we should put most of our energies and resources into hardening and coastal resilience we had a big project at the freshwater wetland that was being overrun by salt water because of the incursion through the dunes. that was partly a result of rising sea levels. that's where we should put our resources. >> your follow-up. >> the reality is, we face dramatic challenges along our coastline. one of the things that the state government has to get its act together. the example i give, i have a community in my district that the department of natural resources 20 years ago said would be underwater. first of all, it's not underwater. secondly, they approved a sewer

line out to it. talk about the mixed messages of we've got to pull back and stop development and be concerned about these rising sea levels but oh by the way, we are going to encourage running a sewer line out there. i think the state government needs to be more clear on what's going on. bottom line is, for those folks in my district, it is vitally important, it's where people live and i do agree that the resources we have should be focused on those areas. i think we are spending money on these umbrella issues in delaware when we have real local needs and it doesn't make any sense to me. >> let's move to discussions. >> where do you stand on man-made climate change and how do you plan to address it as governor. >> is there climate change? absolutely. is there proof one way or another? i think the jury is out one way or another. regardless what you think about

that issue, we definitely have an issue here in delaware. regardless of how it happened, and others can argue about it, i think it has a significant component to it, but regardless of how we got there, the gulfstream is lower than it used to be and it's pushing sea rise on delaware's coast. it just is. there's no question about it. we can have an argument until the cows come home about why that is. the bottom line is, the resources that we have in government need to be focused on those communities. there are lots of well-intentioned programs, but the bottom line is, the resources we can generate need to get into those programs that are building the barriers that stop erosion and stop the seawater drainage into freshwater areas

what used to be a freshwater bay, you have the contamination of farmland with saltwater incursion as you said. in some places just face the music. i think that's what the fish and wildlife plan for the area really contemplates. they have reestablished and they will let nature take its place. they have not hardened about and certainly after storm after storm that's going to be

completely a saltwater bay, or part of the delaware bay. and the farmers and land owners that are around that area, we are to look at using maybe the preservation fund -- >> i'm interrupting again. i know. >> that's confusing me. if i had the time to tell me how much time. >> you have me. we are going to move on to the next topic and i understand the value of what we're discussing against is going to take us to the issue of revenue spending and balancing the state budget. you will be posing this question to mr. bonini. >> recent budget forecast indicate a statewide significantly less money to spend next year. sector finance, but said it's a wakeup call to the next general assembly. if you are elected what tough choices are willing to make to balance the budget? >> i would argue that's part one of the best reasons to elect me.

you have been covering the general assembly. you know i'm not afraid to make those choices. anyone who's taken more than five minutes to take a look at my record knows i will take the stand. i may be wrong, but i take that stand. the bottom line is that delaware has a spending problem, not a revenue problem. we bring in similar to education, we bring in per capita some of the highest amounts of money in the entire country. we are fifth or sixth every year, sometimes as i second or third in per capita expenditures. our problem is spending not revenue. i will tell you what got to up on adult conversation about spending. spending, about 70%, maybe a little less, of our operating budget is into areas. it is in state of the benefits and it is in medicaid. any adult conversation about budget issues that does not address those two things, i

quite frankly think is dishonest. i supported a retirement incentive for state employees to reduce the workforce. people say do you really want to reduce the workforce? yes, i do. i think we need to standardize how medicated state or health care is tracked and build everything with everyone from 10-25% which doesn't sound like a big number. 10-25% of a couple billion dollars israel money. i think our solutions are almost exclusively on -- >> one minute rebuttal. >> i would argue this is the best reason for people of our state to vote for me. i've actually worked with our sector finance to balance budgets. and i understand some of problems with on the spending side and some of the problems we have on the revenue side. and by the way, it's both revenue and a spending problem. he mention health care cost. we are self-insured mean the

state manages the cost of health care to state employees and retirees and that's a big number. it's been growing at a rate that far exceeds inflation. we've got to manage those costs a better. our medicaid spending is over $1 billion a year on a $4 billion budget. that's a big number and it has to be better managed. we have a revenue problem. we have become reliant while he is been innocent on abandoned property rented that's going away. it's 400-$500 million number and half of it might not be there next year. >> we are in the moderate discussion. >> this is related. mr. bonini, you haven't voted for state budget in 22 years so firsthe first question is why? if elected will you sign a budget bill into law? >> so happy to answer the first question. two reasons. we spend too much money. quite frankly i proposed a bill in the '90s that put caps on

spending and quite frankly if we passed that bill and live by the standards we be running hundreds of millions of dollars of surplus every year. we just been too much and i think it's a tremendous amount of lack of transparency that we do the budget. by what i don't think is the governors fall. this is the general assemblies all. we basically passed a budget $4 billion late in june, usually late at night with, who knows what's in it, quite frankly. we created an entire. receiver and control in our budget or know when it was even in there. >> we are in discussion portion. >> i think it lacks transparency. thank you. sorry. >> you can respond if you like the we can move to another topic. >> i would just underscore the point that health care costs alone are overcoming the budget because they're growing at a rate that is unsustainable, frankly, and it is a rate

greater than revenue growth. when you're losing revenues as the state is currently with what i mentioned a minute ago, abandoned property, then you've got a big problem. annex governors going to come in on day one and have a 250-$300 million deficit and that's going to be hard to deal with. so you need somebody responsible to deal with it. >> we are running out of time so i will table this discussion. from the bottom line let's go on to politics. >> we've had eight years of this administration. that the attackers last republican governor in 1993. if elected how would you differentiate your administration from proceeding once and we take the state from your? >> obviously i talk a minute ago about my plan for improving public schools interested. we released a plan to grow delaware's economy and with the economy from more of a national

age into an age of innovation. what's interesting, i did this once before, you may remember, unsuccessfully i ran for governor eight years ago. i'm better prepared today that i was eight years ago to address the economic challenges that the state is facing, the budgetary challenge the state is facing, the health care challenges that the state is facing. and i understand better than ever how competitive that we have to be economically. we have to be playing at the top of our game in public education, in higher education, in the quality of our infrastructure, roads and water infrastructure. just about every level, and our workforce has to be second to none. these are very different conditions than they were eight years ago. and so there are a lot of things the administration is done and put in place that we will build on and there will be other

things we will do differently. >> mr. bonini, one minute. >> i think the bottom like this with a 24 years of one party rule in the governors office, and i think it's going to be very difficult for another democrat, i think very difficult for any democrat government to be able to make the difficult decisions that need to be made because my argument is obviously been why would they make the last 24 years? but i will tell you i think telebras to change course. and i'm very up front and telling people that this is a bright, smart guy, friend of mine who will be come again my campaign manager hates it when i say this, john, that is absolutely coveted to be delaware's next governor, no question about it. but the bottom line is we've got to change course. hopefully i will get a chance in closing statements to talk with some of the statistics. i think the bottom line here

like i said in my opening statement is do we want more of the same or to rebut change and i think i'm representing a pretty significant change. >> we are now and moderated discussions. go ahead. >> i have said in addressing a number of issues and questions you have, how to do things differently. the fact of the matter is it's a very different world. a very different economy than it was eight years ago. certainly way different than it was when i was growing up as a kid. i see my mom down in the front row. how are you doing? >> we like moms. >> if we're going to educate the kids so they can participate in our economy so that they can have the same opportunities of kids that grew up with more means in the suburbs, they would go to do things different. i've got a plan and i think most importantly the next governor has been to work with the legislature. i see of the legislative in the room as well, to do things

differently and to do things that will be effective in educating kids and moving our economy. >> this is the discussion portion so you may jump in. >> i guess my point is i think the difficulty of the next administration of how well intentioned, take on the teachers union, particularly travelers, take on the government labor unions. i think, i different is a former speaker of the house in oklahoma. delaware is all blue. we've gotten there in the last 24 years. obama is already. they have some of the same problems. -- oklahoma is all red. the political freedom of movement to a cultish things. it means picking fights with people you don't want to pick fights with. and i think we need a street fighter cover and i think john is sincere but i think it's going to be very difficult to have speeded let me let him add something.

>> i don't think it's just not picking fights. i worked in congress for the last six years. people picking fights every day. the people i represent in delaware, expect for me to go down there and make friends on both sides of the aisle and get things done. we are able to do that in a congress that was incredibly partisan. not very much got done. >> mr. bonini, think we have to address the presidential election that's going on right now. >> shocking. >> you are an early supporter -- >> is there an election going on? >> endorsing him at a rally in april. since then a lot has changed including several allegations of sexual misconduct are these the still support mr. trump for president? >> 30-second. >> the answer is yes. and for so what he says is unacceptable, period. by the way, i'm a former athlete. is probably still athletic.

spent a lot of time in locker rooms. absolutely inappropriate. the bottom line is there are two core messages i think are critical i think this country is to talk about. what is our government is broken in a lot of ways and i think in washington that's true. i think that's true less in delaware but it is true our thar government is broken. the second part is -- >> quickly spewing the people in government are out of touch. both those things are very important. >> i can give you 15 seconds. >> i think hillary clinton will make a great depression. i think we need a woman. that would be special and that would be different. hillary clinton those out of work across the aisle, notwithstanding all the animosity that she captures on the other side. >> nowhere from the students and some of our online questions. that does conclude the first portion of this debate. rapid-fire that it was. thank you for fielding the questions. in this section you one minute for an answer.

our first question comes from lucas, a senior studying mechanical engineering at the university of delaware. >> has been decriminalized and the last couple of years. what is your stance on the subject? >> find one, your response first. one minute. >> i actually favor legalization. the reason i favor legalization is because we basically already have. we have decriminalized marijuana in delaware, possession, to the point where it is de facto legal. my point is that they're going to do it, let's do it all the way. let's regulate it, try to keep it out of the hands of kids, regulate it, enforce it so we can knock drug dealers out of business. the bottom line is in delaware it is already de facto legal. i didn't agree with that policy but that's the policy we have everything we need to be adults about it and understand that the message public policy decision on marijuana has been made.

we should go ahead and do full legalization and i think if we do that we can keep it out of the hands of kids and help reduce the drug trade. >> i support the current status of decriminalization and our medical marijuana program. i would remind people that program is not yet up and running. it seems to me before we take the step to recreational marijuana we've got several states that are doing it right now. we got to see with experience after one of my best friends in congress is from colorado. they are having some unintended consequences in colorado with respect to the kind of cutting, being on the cutting edge. i'd like to see our medical marijuana enterprise up and running before we get any change. i'm really worried. i spent a week traveling up and down our state talking to parents whose kids were addicted to heroin, and many of them talk

about the pathway their kids to for marijuana to of the party drugs into heroin and that worries me as well. >> may i follow up? >> we need to move on to weaken your for more of our students and from the online questioners because with online question and is concerned cancer. cynthia asks if elected, what other public policy priority for uk bands that will prevent cancer, treat cancer, find cures and improve the quality of life for cancer patients and survivors? >> this was when edward delaware has had great success over the last 15 years or so since the cancer consortium in the early 2000. i served on that committee and were able to reduce colorectal cancer mortality in our state and eliminate the difference between the african-american community and the total

population in the screenings that determine that disease. now we need to address long can't which is the number one cancer killer in delaware. we've got great medical leadership on that consortium. we need to fight for the funds to keep it running and we need to make a commitment to really address cancer or lung cancer in our state to really bring our numbers down. we used to be in the top five in cancer mortality. now we are 13, 15 and dropping like a rock. >> the bottom line is we do need more resources. where to get those resources? to go back to the budgetary question. if we don't resolve our budgetary issues and our state spending will end up paying for just two things, state employees health care and medicaid. in order to free up resources, including cancer research et cetera, absolutely when it put more resources into it. have to get our financial support to free up those resources. i realized that's not a specific

question to cancer but an upper level question to say how we could get the resources. the other thing, we need to have incentives for cutting edge research. i'll tell you at the university of delaware, delaware state, i am proposing of fund to allow research funding for those researchers who can't quite qualify for nih funding that promising research. i think instinctively a significant role and quite frankly we can make significant progress not just on cancer but on other diseases as well. >> james has a follow-up. >> earlier you said you don't support legalizing recreational marijuana buddy served by the university of delaware center so political communications out 61% of delawareans are in favor of making marijuana was untrained use legal in the state compared to 35% opposed. even a clear majority in favor

is that not a clear mandate? >> actually mr. bonini is first on this response. one minute. >> for small and little suspicious of that poll. i think they actually called dormitories at the university of delaware. [laughter] so that same poll had donald trump losing the county close to 15 points. that ain't kind of happen. but i do think there's a growing -- >> actually was winning according -- >> thank you. the bottom line is regardless of the politics of it, we've already made that decision. we have decriminalized it to the point where it is de facto legal. up to one ounce of marijuana in delaware as a traffic ticket. we do, a traffic ticket is more expensive.

up to six ounces of marijuana as an unclassifunclassif ied misdemeanor with probation before judgment. translation, ma it's a traffic ticket. regardless if you supported not pass the decision we've already made and we should live up to -- >> mr. carvin? >> i don't make my decision on what the poll says. i think my approach is a smarter approach. i'm not saying i would not be for -- full legalization at some point. let's find out what happens in colorado and washington and some other states. is public and opinion an important part of any decision? absolutely. we are elected represent the people who elect us so it's important to know, he will not stay elected long by the way if you ignore what the public opinion is. i just think there's a better way to do it and i'm very concerned about this heroin problem and the connection that might exist. >> we need to keep moving and i apologize for that. >> let me in somewhere.

>> we're going to turn to the issue of the death penalty with this question that comes in from a senior, political science major at delaware state university. >> there's a moratorium on -- as governor would you sign legislation that would give states that has been as much in? >> i would let the supreme court's decision stand, frankly. this is an issue that i've had a lot of time to think about. when i was lieutenant governor i was chair of the board of parks. i sat through three clemency hearings, each of which were convicted to die, and i did not vote to grant them, so the government would grant him clemency. what has concerned me as i thought about this over the years that i thought about my position has evolved, clearly.

is that 20% of the population, african-americans with studies that indicate this is discriminatory against and that they are more likely to be sentenced to death. to me that's a big problem in terms of what's fair and what's just. >> yes, i would sign it. >> okay. we will now move on -- did you have something? >> to follow, usage will the supreme court decision stand the would you veto any bill that would make it to your desk speakers i probably would. i don't think it makes a lot of sense to signal in advance whether he would veto a bill but this is one of those gut check kind of issues that you don't make a determination on based on what the polls might say. i think if you think about what's right, what's fair and

what's just. >> will move onto another online question. this comes from patricia. she asks 76% of delaware and said they prefer to remain in their own homes as they age. with assistance from a caregiver. if you were elected what policies will you promote to support delawareans aging in place? kind one, you're first on this for one minute. >> for civil it's an excellent question as to just a question of the personal situations that people face as the parents page which i think most of us are going to face. is also very significant public policy question because it is dramatically less expensive and more efficient and beneficial to the government programs to of people aged in place if you can as opposed to being put in an institution. the bottom line is we need to do everything we can. a big part of it is education for caretakers. we took first step. i think that needs to continue. i think we need to continue to

work with providers for education so family members are educated and are given the tools to help keep folks at home who want to stay at home. i think we need to be looking at tax breaks if possible. willis people will save money is tight. >> i agree with him on this. you heard that, thank you. but again it's not a simple issue. financial it's going to be very difficult to do. it is cheaper to do but right now the government is not painful that. and so the question is how do you develop a program where using existing funds that frankly are limited and we don't have money either at the federal level or at the state level for medicare and medicaid which are responsible once you get into assisted care to pay these services. you are going to be adding

costs, pain, helping cover the cost for a family at home. we ought to look at anyway to do. it's going to be hard to do. >> a question with a 30-second time limit because we've got to go into our closing statements. when governor markell was first elected in 2008 he reached across the aisle and names of republican to his cabinet. which one to do the same? if so is there somebody you already have in mind from across the aisle that you'd like to see as part of your administration i'm limiting you both to 30 seconds and every the first person to enter this would be mr. bonini. >> the answer is absolutely. i've never, i've never voted a straight ticket in my life. in fact, there's some chance that a vote for somebody on this podium. i don't know. [laughter] a handsome guy. [laughter]

but they had to absolutely. with some great miniatures in our state government. with some that are not thrilled about either but absolutely. i think if you look, i feel very strong about what i believe in. >> do you have been in? >> sure. i would keep just as secretary of state if he would work for me. but absolutely. i would keep jeff. i would keep a variety of people. he's now lost his job in the party administration. >> iwho would you reached across the odd apostle we made to your administration? >> i certainly would. i haven't thought much about it, much to the chagrin of some my supporters and staff, because first things first are i do a lot of coach including here at the university of delaware back in the early '80s and the games that we lost were the ones that we took for granted. am not going to take anything for granted here in terms of the election. i will think about that after november 8. >> that wraps up our question abortion for this debate in the race for governor. you'll each now have one minute

for a closing statement. we will begin with john carney was the first closing statement. >> thank you very much for the sponsors and university where. i see the president of the university or in the auditorium with his lovely wife. last year i went to uaw holiday party and there was a retired chrysler worker. some of your party tells the story. he said to me, i worked at chrysler for 36 years and it was a great job. i made a goo good salary. i was able to support my family and i learned one thing. when you have a good job, you keep it. then he turned and looked the right thing out and he said what the hell are you doing running for governor? >> good question. >> i'm under no illusion this job is going to be easy. in fact, i know it's going to be really hard. but if you elect me governor, i will make those tough decisions. i will not forget who i work for. i will work hard everyday. that's what i've tried to do for

the 16 years that i served when you first said to me to be delaware's lieutenant governor. thank you for your attendance tonight and i look forward to vote on november eighth. >> mr. bonini. >> the first thing is please vote for me. you should always ask. so i'm asking you to do something very hard. change is hard. it's especially hard when your plan is somebody that you respect and like. and quite frankly the overall majority of delawareans respect and like. but one in six is on food stamps your one in four is on medicaid. one in five children in delaware are going up in poverty. four out of five of her public high school graduates are not ready for work or college. change has to happen, and i'm asking people in delaware to make a very difficult decision

and say, we have to change course. and i also believe that i can laid delaware in that change your i know i've said this a bunch of times. john is a friend and a good guy and a smart guy but i think delaware needs to go in a different direction in which is a thank you for having me and i'm kindly asking for your vote. >> thank you. thank you very much for participating in this evenings university of delaware debate. we appreciate it very much. i also want to thank our audience here that are moderators for this section. this will be wrapping up this debate for the with the candidates for delaware governor. we thank you for joining us as well. goodnight. ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> a debate among candidates to be india's next u.s. senate. republican congressman todd young, evan bayh a libertarian lucy brenton all participated. topics include health care, climate change and trade. the union of debate commission is hosting this hour-long debate. it took place earlier this month.

>> good evening and welcome to the indian debate commission just senate debate. we are coming to you live from the studio and public television station wfyi. joining me tonight are three candidates who hope to represent you, the people of indiana in washington. winner will succeed senator dan coats who is retiring. i am the moderator ken owen. i'm executive director of media relations at depaul university in greencastle, a former television news anchor and reporter. my experience included tim timen indiana and in fort wayne. for the next are the candidates will debate a variety of domestic and international issues that he used senator is likely to face. many of the questions came from you members of the public who submitted queries to the debate commission about what concerns you. some of those who provided questions are here with us tonight in person. non-of the questions will be asked tonight have been shared

in advance with any of the three candidates. with that taken care of, here are candidates. lucy brenton is the libertarian candidate. she is a finance professional. evan bayh is at the democratic candidate, a former u.s. senator and the former governor of indiana. todd young is the republican candidate. is the congressman representing indiana's ninth district in the south central and southeast part of the state. the candidates position on the stage and order which will answer the questions were determined by lot conducted by the debate commission. after i ask a question each candidate in turn will have the opportunity to respond for one minute. rebuttal 30 seconds each will be on an as needed basis. if a candidate exceeds the that the time given for his or her response i left ask them to stop and before the final question to each candidate will be given an opportunity to address the topic of their choice.

this allows the candidates to discuss topics they feel is important but hasn't been touched on by the questions in the actual program. they can go back to a topic that was discussed earlier so they can delve into it further. the candidates have agreed to a set of rules which include no props or prepared notes that the podium. at this time the candidates won the opportunity to further introduce themselves. we will have to make a one minute opening statement starting with ms. brennan. >> good evening. i like to thank the indiana debate commission, my fellow hoosiers and my esteemed opponent. my name is lucy brenton but you probably know what and because i haven't spent $30 million to in the job that pays under $200,000 a year but you did a bit because i'm a wife, a mother, the daughter of a disabled american veterans and i'm a hoosier like you who sick and that of what's going on in our country. special interest groups have hijacked us and it's time we send them a new message that hoosier voters can't be bought. i'm running against evan bayh because he spent too much time

in d.c. looking for lobbying job instead of serving hoosiers. he's not one of us. i'm an against the gym because although he talks conservatives, when it comes right down to vote he votes to raise the national debt. but that's okay because as your senator i will uphold the rule of law so there's justice for everyone. i will call for a strong national defense so that we can be safe. i will work to end the debt burden facing our grandchildren. hopefully you will see from the a brighter future for our america. thank you. >> thank you. it's good to be with you and it's great to have an opportunity to have a conversation with my fellow hoosiers. i please be joined tonight by my wife of 31 years, susan. sweetheart, i love you. i know a lot of negative attacks during the course of this evening from congressman young. first ahwatukee why i am running and what we can do to solve your problems because that's what this election should be read all about. i'm until the small business get

the capital to expand and create jobs. i'm running to level plainfield on trade deal so i jobs will not be shipped to mexico and china. i'm going to make sure college is affordable but of the 21st century scholars program so kids can afford college like they deserve. i'm going to make sure sal so skewed and medicare are there for you. i will work with republicans, democrats and libertarians to make progress with you. i will fight against the extremes of both parties to make progress for you. making progress for you, helping our families, build a better indiana and a better america, that's what this election should be all about. >> mr. young, your one minute opening statement. >> growing up in indiana my dad used to tell me everyday come if i dream big, if they work hard, good things will happen in life. i believe it. i still believe it. we want our fou fortune to belie it as well. we want for those children would have a hoosier once, a quality education but turned into a good paying job that leads to a meaningful career and affordable

health care right in indiana. my belief i in the future took e to the u.s. naval academy. it gave meaning to my service in the marine corps and it sure they will in the private economy. i have spent most of my professional life fighting to protect and preserve america's promise but right now it's under five. i'm not a cabal edition to i'm not a lobbyist. i'm a hoosier. i'm a marine who wants to put people before politics. at a time when far too many of our career politicians seemingly have forgotten who they work for, where they live and can't even imagine a cause greater than themselves, i will always serve a cause greater than myself. i've always serve you. i hope to earn your support. >> we are now on to our first question of eating. as i told you, several of her question will be presented by voters and with us tonight is brian, teacher from chesterton. >> to the general public, congress is seen as an institution that is not working.

republicans and democrats alike failed to come together in order to address major issues affecting our country. where in your political career can you point to a time in which you worked with numbers of the other party to accomplish something meaningful? >> thank you for the question i'd appreciate that. in fact, i'm a libertarian so that's not yet been a political office that i've held. but what he did his life 10 children and i will play there's no more peacemaking and crossing the aisle that comes along when you're looking at a fight between 16 euros and a 14 year-old. i would like to bring that experience to congress because sometimes our congressional members act like children and sometimes they should probably be put in a corner. without those extremes it's time we work together as if them and as a nation for those solutions that will bring us economic prosperity and peace. >> thank you for your question

and thank you for your work with our children. and a proud to be endorsed by indiana's teachers in this election. let me give you two examples. versus bobby something near into the darker i worked with republican state senate under democratic house of representatives to pass the 21st century scholars program's. this enables 70,000 to go on and afford a college education. it will be better employees, better taxpayers and more responsible citizens is also good for all of us when we create an account of opportunity that allows our young people to work hard, do the right thing and get ahead. that's what we need more of in washington, d.c. another example is the work with sandra collins from maine to bring together all of the efforts in our country to fight alzheimer's. it's a terrible disease. it afflicts to recover families. we added resources, coordinated efforts and has offered to get an award for that. making it possible for kids to go to college, fighting alzheimer's, come together in a bipartisan way to move this country forward and to grow our economy, that's what this election should be all about.

>> thank you for the question. hoosiers are tired of it into record throughout my very short political life i've been able to work across the aisle to get consequential things done. one example would be repeating the 30 hour provision in obamacare and restoring the 40 hour work week. this is a provision in obamacare that is put at risk their jobs, hours and wages of 2.6 american workers. i've been very proud to get that passed out of the house of representatives and hope to continue to fight for it as your next united states senator. what's unfortunate is tha we hae this provision to do with in the first place. obamacare never needed to be passed. hoosiers played with evan bayh to vote against obamacare at the ignored the wishes. he instead decided as a d.c. insider to listen to political interest in washington, d.c. he listened to his party bosses. i am a hoosier marine. i will always fight for hoosier values and do whatever is in our best interest of not the best

interest of party leaders in washington, d.c. >> would you like to rebut? >> of course i would. i agree with carcass than young. we should extend the definition of the workweek from 30 hours to 40 hours. i think we should expand the definition of a small business from 50 to one it to make it easy on small businesses. congressman young wants to take back to the days with insurance companies have unlimited profit. he wants to take 350,000 over health insurance away. he wants to reopen the doughnut hole costantini one of $1400 a year in additional prescription drug cost. we don't want to go back to those days and i'll fight to make sure that we don't. >> i really am stymied about the interference in a natural relationship between an employer and an ugly. it's not up to government to decide whether 30 hours or 40 hours is an appropriate workweek. it's up to the employee and employer to negotiate. if we can get rid of the interventionism then perhaps go

back to the time when people matter. in world war ii the only reason we came up with these interest benefits is because there were price and wage controls the present of something workers what they're worth and so we came up with the insurance scheme in order to give the money. >> have and by just defend obamacare. hoosiers find obamacare highly unpopular and they do because it's a real job killer. it's the largest tax increase in american history and was imposed i ever buy despite the the wishes of hoosiers. was imposed during the worst possible moment during a recovery. that's the one where not going more jobs in this country. 21 attacks in obamacare most of which fall on middle-class families. middle-class hoosier families, health care costs intended to go up. we need to start over in a bipartisan way. >> i'm going to 15 seconds these because i see mr. bayh wants to weigh in. >> we need to fix the parts that need to be fixed the carcass

been no one should expect to the days went insurance covers could charge women were just because they happen to be the now. that's not right. it wants to deny health care coverage for 350,000 of our fellow citizens. governor pence and i think it should be done. he wants to go back to the days when insurance companies could cancel your policy just because you got sick. i don't think that's a step in the right direction. >> mr. young? >> these are clearly d.c. politician talking points. they bear no resemblance to the reality. what i wanted is work together republicans, democrats ground out there i want to consult with hoosiers about the sort of health care program they want to bring down costs and expand access to care for all americans. he wants to maintain obamacare in a law that cannot be sustained and is causing way too much harm. >> what are we bickering about what a person should be forced to do? do? the fact of the matter is that americans deserve to be free. they deserve to be free from government regulation that comes along with a forced insurance scam.

>> now a question submitted a photo to the commission. we received several questions regarding climate change. some argue human activities play a key role in climate change and others say the very notion of climate change is a myth. we are to stand on the spectrum have should be is prioritized its energy sources? >> i think climate change is real. the question is what should we do about it. several things. first we should emphasize renewables like wind and solar which are expanding across india. that's a good thing. we should emphasize efficiency, retrofitting our homes and businesses so that we can sit energy. that's a good thing. we should emphasize clean coal generation which we have that would help the hoosier money business and help hoosier utility ratepayers. we should emphasize that the which unfortunate congressman young has vote against. i don't think we should have a cap-and-trade system and i don't agree with the clean power plan. that's something i disagree with mrs. clinton. i think those would be harmful to hoosier consumers.

let's go about this the right way. renewables can efficiency, clean coal but let's not hurt indiana businesses or consumers. i would not support that. >> this is a global issue. it's not a hoosier problem. we don't want to write out the country tried to do with it and evan bayh a support energy tax in the past. haze plan will be to increase of $1700 tax per american household. it would hurt our manufactures disproportionally. we are the most manufactured goods a state in the tire country. we need to stand up for our manufacturing workers and would also hurt our farmers. i'm proud the indian farm bureau has considered a friend of farmers. proud to carry that title around but if we are imposing carbon taxes on our fuel, on our fertilizer and other sources that's going to injure indiana's economy. where do these ideas come from? they don't come from hoosiers themselves. they come from party leaders in

washington, d.c. and special interest. special interests like the one that evan bayh networks for as a lobbyist and that has enriched him in december to the tune of millions of dollars. >> climate change is a sticky subject. it's almost a religion with people saying it is there and it is the. human settlement in for a blip in the eons and i don't have enough data from the last hundred or two measure determine whether we getting colder or warmer. when now is a child growing up, it was the coming ice age. so i say yes, let's prioritize but let's let the free market do. most importantly not end our dependence on foreign oil. the way we can do that is allowing commercial hemp growth. india has amazing so. you get three for harvest and that biodiesel, that's what can save us. it will save our economy and it will save, it will save the environment. >> opportunity for rebuttal. >> desperate people do desperate things including congressman

young is getting pretty desperate. it's not to answer cap-and-trade i'm against cap-and-trade. it's not true i've ever been a lobbyist. said in a true. congressman young is my with lots of the. he's taken winner $60,000 in campaign contributions and if it was a lobbyist for the bi bankso repeal consumer protection. he's voted for the interest is to reopen the donut hole. he's voted for tax deductions that instant shipping our jobs overseas. it is a conflict of interest is a conflict between congressman young voting record of the best interest of the people of the state of indiana. >> would you like to rebut the? >> absolutely. with respect to the carbon tax prep i can't get all the taxes your force triggered you were for 21 cyberattacks is in obamacare most which it on middle-class during the trough in our economy. it has led to stagnant job creation in the state and evan bayh cast the deciding vote for obamacare we would not have obamacare but for heaven buys

flickr with respect to be a lobbyist will become is a part of a lobbying firm. maybe there will don't pay them $2 million to not lobby. >> camera talk about the carbon tax? isn't that silly we're going to give an international organization the right to tax us? maybe i will become a barbarian and then you can tax me for breathing sensible of the eating. let's talk about real solutions instead of bickering. let's -- we can fix the nitrogen of solve that problem spewing my cozy a but as it was a possible will move on. we can stand that one for a while. let's turn to a very serious international issue that's been in the news. under what circumstances should americans send additional troops and humanitarian aid to middle eastern hotspots such as iraq and syria are to afghanistan? begin with mr. young. >> we ought not be placing artificial limits or timetables. that's one of the things that we've learned in iraq and

afghanistan on our troops. we need to establish a very clear mission for victory throughout the middle east. we want to defeat isis. want to remove clinton from power and i proposed a resolution calling on our nato partners -- assad from power. pool our energies to come up with a multilateral strategy to accomplish those couple of things. i can imagine that some of the components to a strategy will involve flying more sorties, losing the rules of engagement so that we can kill more of the terrorists on the ground and establishing safe zones to address this humanitarian crisis on the ground rather than leading to a refugee crisis both in europe and here in the united states. none of this will be a compost if we continue the obama-clinton lead from behind foreign policy. i'm an intelligence officer to i will be vigilant against another our next president is making sure that they very clear policy in the as state engaged in the world.

>> thank you. i'm glad you asked because as a mother what i want is a want my children to grow up in the world that's full of peace. i don't see that. effective don't remember congress declared an act of war and they didn't declare this war so seems to be an illegal war so it should be stopped. the first thing i would recommend and i would do is i would stop arming everybody. and we stop being the world's gun salesman? that would be a good thing. i want to stop dropping bombs on everyone. we are bombing wedding parties and killing the first responders. boy, did that make him a people we need need is when the diplomatic action. summer between being the world's policeman and an isolationist there's got to be somewhere in that range that's better than what we are doing. humanitarian aid only. people are hurting real people are starving because of the people we should be helping. so let's not continue these endless foreign wars. >> i think it's a good thing that we can agree on a bipartisan manner that we should fight isis and defeat global

terrorism. we need to continue the -- we take mosul. our special forces in the series should work with the kurds and the turks to retake raqqa to deny them the safe spaces. we need to empower our intelligence services and type e been pleased work for the last six years and advisor to the cia to make sure we can combat ices abroad so they can't attack us at home. we need to empower our department of homeland security and our fbi so that they can find the will attack us at home it would have a chance to strike. most of all what we need to do to combat the scourge of global terrorism is to win the war of ideas. because simply put we are better than our adversaries. we stand for freedom. they stand for despotism. we stand for the right to worship god, to elect our officials and to speak our minds as we see fit. i think if we stand for those things and principles in the long run we will triumph over our adversaries who stand for beheadings and terrorism.

>> i saw a couple of people fidget. go ahead. >> i would love to rebut if that's okay. that was an impressive. i'm osha applicable talking about this faction and that faction but the faction were army today is the one that's more will turn around and point their guns, the ones we gave them our troops. our sons and daughters are dying and that's just not right. so it's time to stop the killing. >> remind people caught i have real world express to have a just sat in committee hearings and committee rooms and monitored the situation. i understand what a marine from the ground goes through. i understand. icing generals and admirals wrestle with difficult decisions so i add value industry. mr. bayh that on the senate armed service committee but he skipped multiple hearings entry is last in office he spent 60 day shopping for a job as a lobbyist as opposed to being

vigilant in this war on terror. >> i've always been strong in the war on terror and the practices that have always supported our troops. congressman young has voted repeat of against our veterans. is voted to cut funding for psds suffers. he has voted to cut funding for suicide prevention, for the health care system. he started to get funding for reintegration for our that's so they can get jobs. it surprising to me he would taltalk tough on the state to repeal vote against our veterans. i will stand with our veterans. >> under the international portion. vladimir putin and russia. russia is becoming active internationally in the past few years. do you see russia as a potential ally in the war on terrorism that needs to be courted by the u.s. or as potential aggressor and enemy that needs to be confronted? >> a friend of mine just told me they saw an interesting video on tv and it was put in a few into the american people to let them know the things our country is doing that we don't know about.

in fact it seems every back it seems every that ticket on wikileaks to find out what's really going on. so quite frankly i look at the information has been given to me by the uncovered i so they don't trust. to ask the question of what should be done with putin with the limited information i have, i think i'm going to trust wikileaks a little bit more. with a look at the wikileaks document of the difficult decide what to do but am always in favor of making friends and i think the best way to make friends is by making economic alliances, free trade, fair trade. when you are treated with some of them looking to many eye and making those types of relationships it's difficult to go drop bombs on them. >> vladimir putin is a tyrant and is deeply hostile to the united states. do anything the man understands is power. so we have to push back the great pushback and of us were economic sanctions for his aggression in the ukraine. i agree with secretary kerry fish of a war crime to bring those responsible answered and in russia to account for the

crimes they're committing inside senatosyria. above all we need to work with our allies to make sure vladimir putin knows we will stand strong and united against an aggressive russia, and the final thing, these reports that russia is seeking to meddle in our domestic elections, this is deeply disturbing. they should be a consequence. we should take cyber action against the financial interests of those in charge of moscow. we cannot let the russians commit crimes in syria, iraq or medal in our elections. >> this disclosure why we need a change. we need a change with respect to our lead from behind obama-clinton foreign policy. it's inside a question from to is like vladimir putin. he's not done. is the ukraine, crimea. it's syria, the baltic states certainly are now being

threatened. this is why we can that lead from behind. we have to stay engaged in order to some the other at the naval academy, something other in the marine corps. only strong nations can consistently for alliances, deter aggression and we necessarily, when wars. we are to be careful about where and when we engage. i support for the sanctions to isolate working together multilaterally with our allies and partners increase regions where ever possible, pooling our resources. we need people with on the ground experience, not just professional politicians who is that in committee hearings or d.c. lobbyists like evan bayh. >> i wish which is to talk about dropping bombs. i was born in 1971 and yet we've been at war my entire life. this is unacceptable. you have putin who is the kgb but george senior was cia. we have a whole bunch of spooks running our country. as for the elections go

everybody knows that they can ask the control at fort our election. look that up on google. spirit would anybody else like to weigh in? as a nation we have several voters with us here tonight. the next question will be asked by alexis. a parent and schituate is in the studio. >> what do you think needs to be done if anything to make it more difficult for dangerous people to get their hands on guns in indiana courts will you work to require background checks on all gun sales? >> we will begin with mr. bayh. >> alexis, thank you for your question. it's a good one. let me begin by sing i support the second amendment. i think our sportsmen, hunters and people who seek security have a right to own firearms. i believe that. i also think it's deeply wrong for those who have been identified as terrorists, no one cares working to be so dangerous that they can't even get on an airplane, i don't think we should be selling guns to them.

i also agree with the gist of the question that violate felons, people have been convicted, we should have background checks to make sure they don't have access to firearms. we need to strike the right balance, does protect the right, second in the right, that's something i believe in strongly but don't let people who have been terrorist events on weapons. is something congressman young has voted repeatedly for those on the no fly list. he wants them to have guns. i just think that doesn't make sense. >> hoosiers can count on me to protect the gun rights most certainly. it's enshrined in our constitution. our supreme court has been quite clear. but every right has its limitation we should ensure that no one who is mentally ill get access to a firearm. i have worked very hard in congress supporting legislation to divert funding from other programs into those programs that are evidence-based and will keep a mental illness from the come and public safety crisis.

i have supported funding for psychiatric to give those who need help so that they don't get access to firearms. so that's one bipartisan constructive thing we can do. want of the things i will not do them one of things at stake right here in this election is not just control the kind of senate that conceivably control the u.s. supreme court. .. one thing i have learned is i don't just support the second amendment, i live it.

it bothers me to say that every amendment has its limits. why are we charging them with a crime that they can't do something. our rights are given to us by our creator. they should not be limited in that way. as far as the no-fly zone watchlist, are you kidding me? we are the epitome of political punishment. so many people, even cats these bins, the pacifist was on a no-fly list. we wouldn't give him a gun. i'm in favor of her background checks but people we are arming overseas that and up with the guns that we sell them, $110 billion worth that are now pointed right back at those serving back at the military, it's time to put them on the list and stop selling weapons overseas. >> it's not true what congressman young was saying. i support your right to bear arm. unless you are a known terrorist, have been convicted in a crime of a violent felony or adjudicated to be insane, you

have no trouble from me. >> mr. young would you like away in. >> i would probably bear an a+ rating from the nra but so many other responsible stakeholders indicate that the tragedies that occurred in my white's hometown of indiana our current home in bloomington indiana, those that have occurred right here in indianapolis and other large cities across the state are completely unacceptable. so many of those are committed by people who are mentally ill. we ought not be providing firearms to the mentally ill. i will be a constructed bipartisan voice in congress to make sure we actually get things done on this front. >> every time i bought a handgun, i passed the background check. it was easy for me because i don't have any of those problems. i will tell you, we need to have a real discussion about mental illness in this country. if you look at every single one

of the school shooters, they were all on ssri, they were on paxil, prozac, zoloft. the real problem in this country as pharmaceuticals that are harming people's brains and causing them to commit these acts of atrocity. let me pick on prozac for just a minute. creating settlements for the families of those homicides and suicides. >> onto a domestic question, social security. is action needed to update the program so it's financially sound and provide adequate income for current and future generations? what would you do if elected? mr. young, your first. >> i'm so happy to have this question. let me be be very, very clear. we must keep our promise to all of our seniors. this is an earned benefit that our senior citizens pay into. what i proposed is no change whatsoever for our current seniors and those approaching retirement. program at according to president obama's actuaries is unsustainable after 18 years. that means there's not enough money coming in to pay off all the benefits. i'm in my early 40s. i'm prepared to work another couple months to work to make

this program sustainable. my record is different than evan bayh. he has voted to get rid of social security benefits and give them to illegal immigrants. he also, to throw one more thing, he voted for obamacare. we wouldn't have it except for evan bayh. if you want someone who will fight for hoosier values, vote for a hoosier marine who is connected to the state opposed to a d.c. lobbyist who will listen to his party leaders so they can help grow big government by using your social security dollars. >> i have a thank you for mr. young. i do want to thank you for your service in the military and i don't mean any disrespect. i have been in the mom corps for 25 years and i teach my children to speak the truth. the first truth we must speak is when you run out of money, you stop digging a hole and you stop

spending. mr. young has been criticized for calling social security a ponzi scheme, but he is speaking the truth when he says it. new workers coming in are paying for the old workers. do you believe them message that there's some magical trust fund that there's some fund that this is coming from? no, it's been stolen from from inflation and deflation. we got the federal reserve act and it ended our opportunity to have an honest money system. the box a groceries that cost you a single dollar bill in 1913 takes $20 now. until we get back to an honest money system, we system, we can't fix social security or anything else for that matter. >> let's move on to the next segment. >> can i respond to that? >> please. >> congressman young has told so many whoppers here it's hard to keep track. it's not true that i voted to increase taxes on social security. it's just not true that i voted against social security benefits for immigrants.

it's just not true. you talked about $700 billion, those were profits for the insurance industry. he's voted repeatedly. he wants to privatize social security. turn it over to wall street and he actually called medicare, welfare. we pay into that system. it's not welfare. we shouldn't balance the budget or the social security system on the back of our brothers. how are seniors going to make ends meet. he wants to reopen the doughnut hole. that's just not right. let's grapple with social security and medicare but let's not make our seniors lives more difficult. >> these are the words of the d.c. politician, spewing out talking points with very little veracity. he spent 30 years doing this.

i want to keep this around for my children. he hasn't done anything. he passed two bills in 12 years as the united states senator. you know, he's all talk. he spent our social security money on everything but social security stimulus. obama care, things that hoosiers don't want. that's the record of a d.c. insider not a hoosier marine that will fight for your values. >> he mentioned your record and you can have a chance to respond as well. >> what we are talking about here is a ponzi scheme. they are victims like bernie madoff. when you have something that's wrong, you don't consider doing what's wrong. you man up and you do what's right. you pay off the people in the system now until there benefits

run out and then you reset that program. don't inflate my grandchildren for you. >> last time i checked, congressman young is in congress but if you don't like congress, maybe you shouldn't vote for congressman young. you mention my record and all the terrible things i've done for let me tell you, i was proud to help the auto industry, saving 100,000 jobs 100,000 jobs across the state. congressman young said let them go belly up. we don't do that to our fellow hoosiers. i will fight to end the tax loophole that promotes shipping our jobs overseas. congressman young has voted for that tax cut for businesses to ship our jobs to mexico and china. that's not what we need in the united states senate. >> we will move forward. we've come to the segment in which the candidates can speak on the topic of their choice. we will arrange it so the candidate who went last last time which is evan bayh will go first this time and talk for up to one minute. mrs. brenton will go with the follow-up and will have a

maximum of two minutes. mr. young will have two minutes. >> if you're keeping score at home and your score card is still clean, you're doing better than imp or that we will close with one minute rebuttal. the other two candidates will have the same opportunity to speak on the topic of their choice following the rotation i just attempted to describe. as i promise, the floor is yours with the topic of your choice. >> i would like to talk about growing our economy and talk about trade. my topics priority is expanding jobs. we have to have a level playing field when it comes to trade in order to get that job done. all too often that's just not the case. i visited recently in lake county, they just lost the contract because china is illegally importing into our country products at below the cost of production. that has to stop. i was at a program in

indianapolis and they can't export their products into china because of illegal trade barriers. i talked to too many hoosier businesses that are losing jobs and losing business because of illegal currency manipulation or intellectual property. those things have to stop. what also has to stop is the tax deduction for companies like carrier that ship our jobs overseas. it's not) i met with those workers recently. they are losing everything but how does congressman young explained that he wants to keep that tax break for shipping their jobs to mexico at a time when they're trying to make ends meet. it's just not right. >> you now have up to two minutes to talk about trade. >> thank you. it so hard to listen to people banter back and forth because what they are really saying is, how can i, once i'm in congress, slice off a little bit of the pie for my constituents. when you spend $30 million on a race they expect a return on investment. literally, i sat down and thought about appeared i spent less than $3000 so far. for every thousand dollar hill

that my opponents have dumped into this to make sure their corporate cronies get their free trade or managed trade that they want, i will bend a copper penny $1000 bill versus a versus a penny. if you want efficiency in congress and government you should look at someone who has had to balance the budget and couldn't do deficit spending. you want to talk about illegal currency manipulation, were just mad that they got around us and our perpetual status. when people are buying oil, were making money off of it unless our ally china is off doing their own thing. you really don't know what's going on until you do a little bit of research. what i would like for you to do as americans, think about where our monetary system has been. the reason our economy stagnant and we have a bubble and a bust is because we don't have an honest money system. the foundation of our economy is rotten. the one thing that i learned

from flipping houses is you have to have a strong foundation. anything you put on top of that window dressing, smiling senators, it doesn't matter. i must tell you our foundation is corrupt. set the corporate income tax 20. give corporations certainty about our tax laws. that's how you stimulate an economy. they will come in droves and it will level the playing field and make sure you hold them to strict accountability so they don't pollute. thank you. >> now you have up to two minutes on trade in job. >> sure. i support good trade deals. trade is indeed about jobs. i support those who create jobs. i oppose jobs that do the opposite and will destroy our jobs and lead to lower household incomes. when it comes to existing trade deals, i think think we need to revisit those that are no longer working. we need to work with our

partners to make sure those now work for hoosiers. we need to strongly enforce trade deals. one of the things i will never do, and evan did do is vote to unleash a flood of outsourcing to china. that's not consistent with hoosier values. them wonder where he might have heard it. perhaps he heard it from the d.c. insiders who he the friends at his neighbors in d.c. where he lives, perhaps his clients, now is lobbying clients, they were people who prevailed upon him when he was a united states senator and encouraged him to unleash a flood of outsourcing to china. i don't know. there are other things we need to grow our economy as well. we need to stop overtaxing made in america products where we effectively double taxed our manufacturing goods. we have a proposal, i throw myself into a tax reform effort. we have a proposal to do just that. i think we need to simplify our code for small businesses so they not disadvantaged as compared to our large corporations who bear so much influence in washington d.c.

i think most of our individual payers should be able to file on the side of a postcard and let's create a new lower small business regulation. the biggest tax increase in history as obamacare and we wouldn't have that if they hadn't passed the deciding vote against the interest of the measures and in a very partisan way. he didn't invite republican ideas in. there is no republicans that supported this legislation. we can hold him accountable in this election for his deciding vote for obamacare which is hurting job so so much. >> now we are to the second page of our lincoln douglas debates tell. if you would give us two minutes on a topic of your choice and we will go round and round again. >> thanks so much. i really appreciate that. i've grown up in indiana, i'm a

a native hoosier, i graduated from northwest high school on the west side. i've been all around the city and i've planted my roots here and i've stayed here. there is one thing that has always caught my heart and that is our farmers. our farmers need economic prosperity and they need it without dumping tons and tons of chemicals into our soil. in fact, what i would say is a far farmers wanna cash crop, commercial is the way to go. you can make rope with that, in fact, may i submit to you that it would end our dependence on foreign oil. that's the that's the very reason we are not growing it right now because these two gentlemen to my life are paid for and receive money from the oil industry. if you could only look at open secrets.org, you can see exactly where their money comes from and know they are here to do a job for the people that pay them and that's why you are doing night. >> indiana is a farm state and we require us strong farm

economy. i have consistently voted for a farm bill that gives our farm communities and operations the sort of resources they need. that includes crop insurance so the weather and so forth can be controlled. we need to make sure that we tackle big regulations coming out of the environmental protection agency. hillary clinton promises to double down. hillary clinton voted with evan most of the time when they were in the senate. we can expect him to rubberstamp her policy agenda. she is now helping to fund his campaign. there are other things we can do to help our farmers. when it comes to reach forming our tax code, death should not be a taxable event. he has consistently voted against the death tax. he has even voted against exemptions for our family farms in the state of indiana. thus adversely impacting multi- generation farms and preventing

people from passing on their farms. perhaps the best thing we can do to make sure farming interests are recognized is to grow the economy faster. back it's back to regulatory reform. that offers the reform effort of the entire congress. it is called the rain deck that requires ever major regulation whether it's the epa or obama's regulations are irs regulations. they would have to come before congress for an up or down vote. we need tax reform and i've discussed that. most importantly, i'll put a fine point on this, we have to repeal the largest tax increase in american history which is obamacare. evan evan bayh gave it to us. he listened to the special interests and he did not listen to hoosiers. i will always fight for your interests and your rights and

for your values. >> there's probably a good reason i'm a former tv newscaster. the debate format, as i described described it was 2111 and i miss the one on the back end of the first question. evan bayh i allow you to go back and talk about trade again wrapping up your comments and then you can respond to the farm question. my apologies. >> that's okay. so i get to one minutes here? >> you do indeed. >> lucky me. you notice congressman young never explained why he voted repeatedly for the tax deduction that is shipping their jobs to mexico. our viewers at home but don't know this, companies like carrier actually get to deduct the cost of shipping our jobs abroad from their u.s. taxes and congressman young thinks that's just fine. it's not just fine. that is something i am going to fight to change. he also mentioned trade agreements. i voted against them. he voted 14 pp until he saw

which way the political winds were blowing pit i'm going to get tough on trade by standing up against illegal subsidies and intellectual property theft. we have to do more about that we've also got a make sure that we stop china and other countries from engaging in illegal currency manipulation. one final thing, there's so many charges flying around here tonight, you give me one minute, i thought i only had one minute. oh well. you had one and one. >> then she gets to wrap up her summary. >> my one minute is regarding what lucy. >> okay, thank you. well look, first i would like to thank lucy for raising the topic of what we can do to help our rural indiana. i think that's right. i'm for broadband expansion into our small towns and rural communities. i think that think that would be good. i'm for more research into better crops, i think that would be good i support indiana ethanol that is good for our corn growers even though congressman young has voted against separate i think we need, i'm going to shock all of you and say i agree with

congressman young. we've had too many rules and regulations that are making it harder for indiana's farmers. i think we need a timeout on all that sort of thing. i don't support that. congressman young just lobbed all these false allegations around. it's just flat out not true that i voted for the death tax. i'm for repealing the death tax. i have consistently voted for hoosier interests and i always will. >> mrs. brenton, your one minute to summarize. >> we need to stop playing political football with our farmers lives. whether whether it's through subsidies or deciding which crop is a winner or loser depending on who is contributing to your campaign. that's what we need to stop. what i would like to see, i would like to see across-the-board legalization of commercial hamp so our farmers can be free to innovate the crop that fixes nitrogen and ends our

dependence on foreign oil and replace the d4 station that we see. our taxes and regulations, if they weren't driving them out of this country, they would not be fleeing to mexico. the the reason they do is there's uncertainty in our tax code. you have to contribute to political campaigns in order to succeed. let's and that political campaign contribution. a 0%% income tax rate on our corporations would level the playing field in countries around the world would find they are losing business to us. >> mr. young, your two-minute. >> obamacare has been an absolute job killer. it's been a disaster and has hurt so many americans. you know, premiums are going up so high, up to 41% here in the state of indiana. deductibles are so high, even if people have insurance, even if people have insurance through

obamacare, it so frequent they can't use insurance. 200,000 people have had their policies canceled. this is this is the largest tax increase in american history. it's really a millstone around our economy. you know, perhaps you need to spend a little more time in indiana as i have to see the real impact of obamacare. i think of lori in lebanon, she is a waitress and her husband is a truck driver who has had some health problems so he can no longer drive truck. there obamacare premium was $26 a month originally. they thought great deal. then it was $343 a $43 a month the next year. most recently in has been $1100 a month. they are taking the penalty they no longer have insurance, there's a real human cost to obamacare. we have to appeal it and replace it with a bipartisan law that works for everyone.

>> evan bayh you have a minute. >> there is a real human cost what congressman young wants to dupe it he wants to take insurance away from 350,000 of our fellow hoosiers. this is something the governor penn state that i agree with, that congressman young wants to undo. that would not only be bad for those evil because they will no longer have healthcare but that will mean their cost of being cared for will be shifted to the rest of us forcing premiums up. there's also a real cost to what congressman young wants to do making it possible for insurance companies to charge women more for their health insurance just because they happen to be female. there's also a real human cost to congressman young wanting to lift a cap on insurance company profit so they can charge whatever they want. unlimited premium increases. that is not right. there's also human cost for seniors at home. congressman young wants to reopen the donut hole forcing hoosier seniors, our parents and grandparents to pay more and prescription drugs. those are real people being hurt in real ways or will be her in

real ways if he is able to do what he wants to do in the united states senate. as i said before, what we need to do is fix the parts of the law that need to be fixed and keep those that are working well. we need to help small businesses by increasing the definition of a work week to 40 hours a week. we need to lift the cap on small businesses from 50 up to 100 people. we need to help those in the individual marketplace, have lower cost health insurance by having healthy competition and more transparency so you can shop for your services and get the lowest cost option. those are the kind of things we need to do. not harm people, not harm seniors, not drive premiums up the way congressman young wants to do. >> mrs. brenton, the brenton, the floor is your. >> mr. young, tran4, you both spent time in washington d.c. so much time that i'm afraid it's turned you to the dark side. in fact, what i mean by that is why are we discussing programs

that people are forced to buy. let the free market work. we are arguing over obamacare. why are we discussing why the government is forcing, through taxation, people to buy product they don't want or need. i am a women. i have birthed ten children, seven girls and three boys. you should charge me more because i'm more likely to use you and be more expensive but at the free market were open and i could could negotiate with the healthcare company and have the coverage i want instead of that forced and shoved down my throat by the government, instead of having a 15000-dollar cost, i could've had the $5000 home birth covered. the only thing i can say to the american people, these are not the senators you are looking for. >> mr. young. >> you know, clearly evan bayh has become a creature of washington. he has left us. he really doesn't get it. this is is not just about obamacare. this is how he handled the situation. he voted against hoosiers.

hoosiers pleaded with him to vote against the flaw. it was a partisan law and didn't invite republican interest or ideas. we have a lot of good ideas. the reason we have policy war is because there's no consensus on the front-end. that's not it. he then left us with higher healthcare cost. then what did you do? you the money and ran. he took the money and ran. he joined a major lobbying firm in washington d.c. and represented clients that needed relief from the very problem he created. meanwhile our premium skyrocketed and he left us while our doctors were lost. we lost our doctors and specialists. evan, when we need a senator most, you left us to work for them in washington d.c. you made millions of dollars and now we can hold you accountable in this election. we need to hold evan bayh accountable. >> we are now at our final

question. >> we are literally out of time. >> i just think it's flat-out wrong. >> it outline and read. >> we have 30 seconds for each of you to answer this last question. mr. young, why would voters conclude you would be the best candidate to represent them in washington. >> after eight years of the failed clinton obama policies which, make no mistake will represent the clinton policies will be left with debt, doubt and despair. we need more commonsense conservatism. we we need more indiana and washington, less washington and indiana. i know were tired of career politicians and you want to clean house. some you may think i just want to send in the marine. you can send in one. let's put people before politics. i humbly ask for your vote. >> i feel like i need to step away from them a little bit. they are slinging so much modern i'm wearing a white suit.

let me tell you this. both of these gentlemen have voted for things when they say businesses were too big to fail and the taxpayers had to bail them out. i say we are too small to drown. stop bailing out businesses, stop bailing out your cronies and bail us out instead. let us keep our taxpayer money and our pocket. you can send in a mom. >> thank you very much. i'm running for the united states senate to try to help hoosier families solve the challenges they face. i want to help create good jobs. i want fair trade deals and that sort of think it i'm running to make college more affordable, building on the 21st century first century scholars program to send 70000 of our young people to college even though they have voted to cut their pell grants and raise interest rates. i'm voting to have democrats and republicans and even libertarians to do what's right to help you because that's what the selection should be all about. >> thank you all for being here. we apologize, we have a a hard out for all the station so we say good night. thank you for watching and listening. we want to give a special word

of appreciation for wf why i for hosting the program and the league of women voters who are helping to keep the timeclock which has been very important. a reminder to all of you, you can submit questions for the candidate in our last given editorial debate set for october 25 at the university of southern indiana in evansville. you can do that by going to the website at indiana debate commission.com. i am ken owen, on behalf of the indiana debate commission, from all from all of us here, have a great night

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