and that kind of rally i think our community behind. >> then it was another press conference a few hours later. and you add some players to the stage for that one. and directly germane to what you just said. tell us about that because you also were thinking about the potential for secondary violence. >> so while we didn't mention the killer nor know for sure what is rationale was, we did know who he was and is religious or ethnic background. >> and we knew what he said. >> that he had claimed -- >> i suspect he was a little bit vague on the details and use arabic phrases. so you knew that from the very beginning. >> and we certainly have seen in the past that there can be hostility towards muslims or arab americans and a circumstance like that and we

wanted to do everything that we could to diffuse that. i had -- who i know and i trust that he knew what he would say come to the very second press conference we had. would've been hard to get into for the first one but he was right there for the second one. he did set the right tone by saint this is what religion is all about. it's an isolated person. we do not support anything like that. so that message was out there straight away. >> you didn't have to guess on who you could call on. these are relationships you had. >> i get the benefit of having represent orlando in the senate for 10 years and has mayor for roughly 14 years. so i've been pretty much anywhere. if this would've happened in the hispanic community, well it did more or less, or let's say the african-american community, it would not have been the same in terms of having the connections. we work really hard at doing that which is another part of

making sure we don't have the civil unrest that some other cities have experienced as making everybody feel that have a seat at the table and didn't know when people. people. >> you thought about all this and you called on the community to be part of the response entity them a role. and then they were open mics. talk to us about the danger of open mics. >> so the way that we have this set up, and usually you have your press very a little more controlled than we did. and once all the main prescott setup we did, but the press area got set up on a side road and it was really monitored that well. so we came out, did our first press conference and then we went back into the command certificate what we're going to do at the second press conference, get more news. every politician in central florida they could reach the ferry had reached the area and it was open mic night. people were taken to the microphone and most if not all

of them didn't have any information other than what had been shared by cnn or the news stations which may or may not have been accurate at that point as well. and then one of the difficult things is trying to follow the fbi's suggestions. they were generally a little more than suggestions on what information that we could convey. they did one -- they knew the shooter was. they did not want us to verify who he was and just before we're are going out cnn and msnbc and everybody else is doing a profile on the guy and we're going out and asking we don't know who, we have not verified who the shooter is. that's after the first press conference and i tell you this, the hardest part of anything i did that whole time after the first or at the end of the first press conference one of the reporters asked the chief into a taken we understand there are 40

different is that right? and the chief said either yes, there are 20 dead or at least 20 dead. we already knew the robot more than that just from the observation of the police officers that had been inside. so we turned to walk away and i said we've got to get an accurate count the next time we come out. we have to be able to tell them exactly what has happened. and heather was walking towards us with this competitive knowhow describe it, but let us know that there were 50 people to cease, not 20. so the second press conference i do come back out and that was the very first thing. and to your other point though, one of our congressmen came walking out. he's got a mic giving a lot of disinformation and a lot of political h heeded ready. it's like remove them from their. >> i would point out voters removed in recently.

i'm not saying there's causality, but how he chose to talk about the attacks didn't help in his reelection bid. just an observation. >> and it wasn't helpful to us or anybody else. so i had to come out and tell everybody that it wasn't 20, it was 50. at that point i knew that i had to keep my calm and keep my cool because if i broke down that was not going to be good for anybody. so that's one of those really deep exercises we take a really deep breath and then to everything you have to say before you take a second breath. and i can tell you looking out at, say this was the press corps, there are a lot of seasoned people there, and there was audible reaction -- >> we heard that from a number of reporters who were in the

room that they were shocked and that there was a gasp around the room. >> it was shocking. >> let me ask you, one thing we heard from everyone we talked to was the feeling of being overwhelmed, just the one by what had happened but also over by the amount of information that was coming in, especially once the rest of the country woke up and woke up to the news and the social media spiraled again, that the amount of questions, the amount of speculation, all of it was on forming. we heard this from orlando sentinel reporters, from everyone we spoke to. it will be interesting to hear you talk about that, but also we were very impressed with how police and the city used social media to sort of manage that combat onslaught of influx. but also how much worse this

would've been if it happened in the middle of the day. that feeling of being overwhelmed what happened immediately. >> there's no doubt we were able to handle documentation aspect of it far, i don't know if easier is the right word, but anymore effective manner let's say because we have three or four hours to get prepared before the onslaught game. we totally activated our emergency operations center. we had our communications people there. we had our social media people there. so we were able, we had somebody monitoring all social media coming out of any of our different areas, and we had a protocol in terms of press, in terms of press requests. my gosh, i have no idea how many of those actually were but we had a team did everything filtered through. i was on the city side. even on the pleased sight of stuff came through my staff, the

communications staff. .. we had three main press conferences and the second one was to convey the numbers but also you start thinking of the victims and their families so we had established a hotline for anybody that had information about anybody that was a victim where they could call and we set up a website and

they had names of the victims and on there. that became a very tough thing to manage as well because we set up a victims assistance center where the families could go to to get information. some people asked me the mistakes we made, the open mic was on, another was not having a secure location the press could not get to the family because they were trapping people from the car to the building and back so they too, that was over at camping world stadium where we could park without the press there to get them out. but late in the day, we were able to evacuate the victims from pulse to the medical examiner's office and that the county conviction and the guy had been on the job for a

week i think that most so he had not even been confirmed by the county commission at that point but we emphasized the amount of what his job was was that if we went a day or two without identifying these victims, we had a different narrative going and the identified the 49 victims overnight so i came back at 7:00 and that was the next press conference we did patient and was able to i about noon but that was critically important and he also had the presence of mine to take them into a different building and do the examination totally away from where the victims were. >> what you hear is the mayor focused on victims.he focused on telling his city to show the world that they were citizens and

specifically that they were lgbt friendly but also he focused on the mom and the message that this was not the community's fault, that it was not the islamic community's fault, that just happened and this gunman did not represent them. i think in orlando you saw the city's response to this, however in fort pierce, there was an arson event at the mosque that the shooter used to worship and a couple of mosques in tampa were attacked so i think this generates a lot of fear in the arab american community, in a lot of communities and i wondered if you could talk a little bit about that but also there's been a lot of rhetoric in this campaign that's given people that stage for this to be an echo chamber and i wonder if you could talk about this class i talk about it not just about

american christians and my family, but i actually want to talk about it as a homeland security policy and some of the challenges or how we established the homeless community and compare it, we want to thank the mayor for memorializing this because i know it's hard to do but for generations peoplewill want to hear your story, just to learn from it and including the mistakes . >> each of the press conferences, i kept a journal. >> just to peter's point, what makes a resilient society? one of the attributes is that very rigorous lessons learned and i know you will look back and get things right or wrong or there were questions about the meeting. and whether that was right or wrong but inking about you know, the obligations shared so i had been, this idea of

orlando, i've been in orlando two months before doing a speech to your police department on counterterrorism and howto think about it because they are curious about it . and the first time i got a flavor for the non-disney orlando, there better than the disney orlando if you have kids. and it's an amazing city and you just don't go into go to david disney and back and i think that's what helped the city in terms of that sort of sense of worth in this together that we are all victims, we are all unified in the response and in these lessons learned, your immediate reaction of who you are reaching out to in the community that they could be not the first focus but the

second third or fourth spokesperson. the challenge for mayors that might not be as sophisticated are who are those spokespeople? you will find people on the other side, you certainly know that and a lot of times it's not the response. the muslim community is as diverse as any other so you're asking who represents the jewish community, it's not necessarily a rabbi figuring out who is the leading muslim doctor in the community can come out to the meeting, the big business owner and stuff so having multiple voices as well, in some ways the muslim community is as diverse as the christian and jewish and other communities. i will say and we were talking about this, the extent to which the islam of phobia and the muslim backing in this campaign is still outside the mainstream of a bipartisan thing but homeland security cannot be underestimated or

underscored. for good or bad, there is an established homeland security community and it has from the moment george bush went to iraq two days after 9/11 to a very rigorous outreach by your former boss to my boss, the department of homeland security to what mayors have learned which is doing community operates is important. mayors have taken on the department and they do like we do with immigration or immigration is part of the debate because they know that outreach and getting the community is the most important rather than immigration enforcement so it's a complete outlier and what i like to remind people know is it's an outlier not only because we are a diverse nation and we need to be respectful of other religions but actually be active in counterterrorism on what makes america safer, i will never say say, i will always

a safer because we tried to really help.k is our oceans you cannot drive from there to here so what's going on in europe is very different. but the other attribute, the security perspective is our capacity as a nation to not be perfect, i will admit that but our capacity to integrate the other. you look at los angeles with the mexican community and you look at my city, boston with the irish and basically they're proud i'm saying this, they run the city and dearborn with the muslim community. that reciprocity to create generations of immigrants that are invested in american security, you can really , probably our most successful and in some ways accidental homeland security strategy that has reduced the risk so

the more we do, if we do things to alienate those communities or radicalize those or as you were saying, the complicated nature of some of these changes, it looks like a couple of them have this idea that isis is some sexual orientation aspect, certainly that's the case in orlando. inking about our outreach to communities and are an important part of our efforts and the extent to which this bashing of certain communities or the profiling or what you are hearing from, i'm going to say it from a some certain candidates that should know better is really so outside of a bipartisan acceptance of how we go forward i was going to say one of the unique things in my role is in the conferences

i do international travel, allowing me to speak to foreign officials as sort of a partisan voice. the embassy doesn't like to do that themselves, they try hard not to. over the course of the last year, i go to the middle east probably every month or so, meeting with foreign officials. they want to talk to me most of all about the rise of donald trump and what that means for america area and the likelihood of his success but is sort of anti-muslim rhetoric, what that means and i take that opportunity to just dispel some myths that there are somehow a majority of americans or a majority of the republican party that has the extreme views of the interpretation of what he's saying . some people i know seem very conservative on the immigration front and therefore after america is aligned with donald trump don't necessarily agree with his rhetoric of anti-muslim

rhetoric, i agree that it's not helpful from a security standpoint to be so divisive with that world, with the arab world in particular. i thought about that a lot on the hill, i've said among the staff that it made it a little bit harder so i would agree that the national security thing. i think the general view of the last year has not been particularly helpful. >> its resilience to is the question here at home . >> i study a little bit less with the community resiliency, i would have to assume so. if these voices are divisive and your pitting neighbor against neighbor, that is not going to be helpful to a community rising up out of a sad situation. >> how much you think in terms of going back to the nature of the threat, a lot of the recent attacks have been self data collecting on

american citizens though is not necessarily a foreign threat, it's a self radicalizing group of americans that's what we're going to see in the future. >> hopefully not. hopefully we figure out a way to solve the problem before it gets to a point that we get there. anybody that is particularly, doesn't feel a strong community, you don't have to be an american citizen area and i think your susceptible to you know, the kind of messages that the violent organizations can put out . i think the difference with the touristy organizations we have right now, they are good at it. and particularly with i still have taken their media campaign to a level that again, anybody susceptible and when we are getting briefed, that's one of the benefits we have on the hill is the agencies, and we will

haveexplain to us what they are seeing is , it is self radicalization and it's the citizenship. >> now that you've sort of changed sides here, at least in terms of what your public officials are press, how much responsibility should the press have, people like mayor dyer when something happens, is it their job and do they have a civic responsibility? do they take it seriously and are there guidelines? >> from where i work, there's sort of an election focus right now and i also used the right problems for my local paper. i know sort of both extremes. i'm surprised how they do want to get it right.in

other words, that reporters, they want to get fast but they also want to get it right so part of the obligation that i think as a mayor, you need , you can't get your numbers wrong. i was on the government and during the bp oil spill and how much oil was never recovered from that, you've got to get your numbers right so your taking the time to meet out bad news . i think, so i probably see it less. the first time i've been down to an event, cnn was asking me if i was down and you see those other aspects of it, i'm more of an analyst so i'm essentially watching and going on air which i think, i thought orlando was also a helpful lesson learned. there's so many rumors going around and i will tell you there was a rumor, one that the body you mentioned might have been a second shooter. they couldn't identify, that was one rumor and the other one was either the swat team didn't go in.

that was a little bit of a narrative and what you guys did on twitter was important which was you acknowledged that you understood that there was that rumor. so you don't look like you're ignoring it, everyone else is talking about this. so we are aware, we are aware that there is one more body identified and we are investigating it. in some ways by acknowledging it you sort of cover yourself even though you're not buying into it. that's something that because policies had to be slower than social media and twitter trends, some public safety has to get better about this. you see it coming, you can't let act like it's not happening so your acknowledging it even. >> were you watching the twitter terms, keeping track of what was popping up? >> she was. [laughter] >> she would not say on

social media, guru of the city of orlando. that's one thing on the press coverage. we as a city wanted to get a lot more information then we ultimately did in the early timeframe because the fbi had an active investigation and their thought process was if we are trying to figure out that there are other people dead or involved here, if they know intimate details of what happened in the club during the night and we can interview them and they have information that has not been yet conveyed to the public, that's part of our case. though the fact that they went in and we had most of the victims cleared by 2:30 or what was going on in bathrooms or all of that type of stuff, we would have loved to put more of that information out there but we can't at the time by the fbi and even the explosive devices were part of that.

they didn't want us to do that and i ended up in the press box by myself and we just went ahead and told that to get it out there because without that part of the narrative, you don't know that we think there's explosives there. again, youare left to speculate why did you wait for mark . >> the way things move today, that story couldn't set before you have a chance to set it straight. i would like to invite the audience to ask questions just come back up, i'll give you the might and come over here.if i can field questions, if you have a question or comment if you would identify yourself what to do or you you are with and post your question. if you are going on a monologue, i may cut you off so please,. >> emily sends, i am here as an american but i'm going to

offer up this report. i'm going to ask a question on behalf of doctor vasquez at ucf actually. and he said i wonder to what degree the approach of mayor dyer and his staff in managing information might have been under different challenges. example, had a recent terrorist attack in orlando more closely resembled the dynamics of the bombing where there was an attack on suspects in days before they were finally caught, it would have made it harder for the community and we have this under control. >> we even have that situation, i mentioned the gateway shooting which was a shooting in an engine room company where it was a disgruntled employer that came the back and killed one person and then escape. we had no idea where he was and there were lockdowns, i-4

was shut down. there was no way to come out and tell the community that they were safe. fortunately weapprehended the guy and then probably a couple hours , we were able to come back out and the interesting thing about that is i was walking out to do the first press conference and they ran up and said we've got to find his apartment so the first press conference i was able to go out and say that we had this versus having to go out and say we think it's one person but we don't know that for sure. it would have made it much more difficult area i think in your study, we've actually talked about the shootings that occurred over a period of time. >> in this city, which the beltway sniper case was not actually a terrorist attack because there was not a political or ideological motive involved. however, it is instructive to have this take place over a long time with a lot of uncertainties. there's been a lot of studies, social science oddities that say it's more traumatizing for the affected

population when you have basically have so many unknowns where people don't know who the shooter is so i think something like this, 50 percent of the people in one study worse showing signs of ptsd and even if they didn't live in the area, it's a much more difficult to, did you have something answer that? >> it is true because i think the fact that they didn't find the brothers for four days added to that but just to the point that you were going to, i break down your great line, breakdown response. i think that's true also for boston and the story, we say boston frolics which i think that makes it look like it's this mood that got us through it. really what it was was there were three people that died

in the boston marathon and of course threepeople were sent to a hospital and nobody died. for a city looking at those numbers, in my world , those are incredible numbers. you say it's good news but when you look at the alternatives, it was incredible news. in many ways thinking about the response right from there. it can be instructional but i think the narrative of boston is also written into my response. >> the challenge of those incidents that dried out is you can't do what we talked about earlier which is put out crews to control the narrative. instead what you have is this, since we mentioned to move out of the realm of terrorism, instead the narrative becomes the hunt for the narrative, it becomes speculation, competing theories and that's the feeding frenzy and in return that's what those social media gets people on about

the news, specializes in. they bring on the different communities and try to have a contention around it. we're going to have to, i think from the orlando case, the case study in many ways in best practices on how to respond to a particular kind of event of terrorism, we don't yet have the best practices of other kinds. >> we will take the next question. >> thank you. i'm just stein from newsweek magazine. this is a fabulous panel. i want to salute miss baron particular for telling us this very instructive and poignant story. i found it moving myself . i'd like to go back to something that peter said earlier and the subject of info wars.particularly with russia. i think the answer is to bury

the liein a sea of truth . >> that's also a tactic that we may be seeing arguably with most of these data dumps too.>> someone else cited a study or observation that when you are confronting someone in an argument, the more facts you layout, the more they dig in and resist. so how can you or anyone untangle this contradiction here in terms of dealing with let's say the russian info war? and it applies as well. >> i think this is not just to see a truth but to see choices which is what you are speaking about in the orlando case was there was multiple different channels. i don't mean tv channels what

channels of information coming from the government and yet they were fairly inconsistent in their message. what has, was both the skill of the russian information campaign targeting elections, and it feels new to americans right now but it's a playbook that's been used in the ukraine and hungary, arguably targeting brexit that by the very nature of the election, there is unity. there are signs and so maybe it's something to hear from the others about, i've been disappointed but in some ways maybe not surprised by the reaction which is instead of looking at this operation and the hacks of the company as an attack on america as a whole, they quickly movedinto a partisan bed , even down to the fact of whether you think therussians did it or not ,

we've got on one side a political candidate, on the other side we've got basically an entire cyber security community, the fbi, the intelligence community but still being flown into partisanship. that makes this tougher if you don't have that, if you are already divided, it's very tough. >> back to the success of that. >> i will add from the parts perspective, in the extent to which something like that became partisan and was not seen as a problem for americans, something we should push back against as an american security threats, you sort of lost a lot of the security officials on the republican side i would say from that argument. i know a lot of people that was sort of the moment where we can't stand this anymore. i will add to it, i think from my perspective we have a particular problem with the

russians that they are perfectly willing to deal in falsities and america doesn't really want to. that's not how we behave and yet we have multiple problems on here. we have russia and the nationstate propaganda machines that are very complex and have been around for 50 to 100 years and they know what they are doing. americans, we find it sort of distasteful to think of american government doing something to counter that. on the other side of that is the way isil and other terrorist groups can use propaganda through their network and delegate the ability to tweet and send out messages to the field level when we still have this knee-jerk reaction to that because every tweet, every tactical tweet can be a strategic problem for decision-makers, we've got the pull-up counter messaging to the highest levels of government. we got have a white house decision on how to counter

the message. were never going to get inside their decision cycle and they're always going to beinside hours . that is something on the congressional side we are trying to think of, what do we do the executive branch with these operational problems ? >> if you are russia, this is the time you would manipulate the data because everyone is low into these, they aren't that interesting and they like the cost effect. this is the moment where you might manipulated but i want to remind people that there's a second wave which i find the real rigging which is the tax on the state and local apparatuses that use the voting. i think that storyline is getting lost in the sexiness of politics but as a structural aspect of the us governance, you have about 9000 electoral systems in america between localcounty and state . you know what, how much money

you are investing in your local afl-cio and those apparatuses and that can be a vulnerability. there's no reason to believe it's happening now but that manipulation is happening now but even this sense that we can't control the network, that we are dependent on promoting, talk about the narrative, that's a bad narrative to be out there. >> is this also as far as how we as a country defend ourselves, something of a jurisdictional problem? >> i would say homeland security is not a psychological problem, it's a governance problem. if you wanted to set up a nation that from the beginning , you have divided government, you have state and local, you have counties, you have the public safety for the state, you have federal immigration laws, you're not going to solve it. you can try to make it work better but you're never going to get to go.

it's true of almost everything in homeland security that having that at the stateside. the government intends to be the largest challenge you alluded to and you can't tell them a senator or a republican who is running for senate to get off the stage. that's a hard thing to do. >> it's hard to tell them they can't on that command might. >> you have people come stand behind you and it appears that they are part of the press conference and a step up to the mic even if you walked away. that's exactly right. >> on the voting thing, the problem is on the local and state side. there's really no federal authority over it. we don't have a system like that so the dhs can provide practice, give money to support it but you're completely dependent on miami-dade county testing and

some cyber security effort. >> in florida we've never had a problem with that. >> i forgot you were sitting next to me. let me choose another example. >> let's talk about in light of the elections, did we have another comment or question? >> thank you so much for this panel, it's really very enlightening. my question is about counter narratives which was alluded to just now given that those who carry out these types of attacks, they appear to be desiring to become heroes of their own stories, how do we help promote counter narratives in which they become heroes of a better story? >> at least a counter narrative i've seen talk

about don't necessarily have them try to be heroes of different story but make them not heroes of their own story. at least when you are looking at the counter terrorist groups, you are right that they try to always show themselves as being successful. right now we have operations in most so they are spending their time tried to do other attacks in other places, try to make them , the mosul property might be a big deal to them. the extent to which we can counter that narrative by showing their failures, showing they are not 10 feet tall, that they don't have, they have some governing structure but it's not nice to live under them, that's mostly what i was trying to do. the challenges is getting it out at the speed and volume that they've been able to and to be able to reach all the voices that you need to be able to. >> this idea of narrative i think is very accurate to the term hero. part of it is a good narrative, there's elements

to it and one is strong character. and the counter narrative that we do, sometimes and it goes to what you will were raising is official, it lacks is back and if you are thinking about the successes here, it would be both on the hero side and hitting some of the aims.the goal is to create unity, to keep a certain community from being demonized. basically there's this narrative that out there, why don't muslims fail? why don't they point out terrorist? why don't they seek out terrorism? instead it's a counter narrative of identifying for example heroes in the stories that might be from the community. so we've seen that for example in the terrorist attacks where it was someone

who hid jews from the attacker in a store too i believe if i'm remembering this correctly, it was one of the swat members in turn counter narrative against isis that by the way, the group that killed more muslims than anyone else and that's true whether you're looking at a whole as a story or in mosul to the victims of these bombings have consistently included or attacks have consistently included muslim americans so when we are telling the story of the victims, remember what defines you, what makes it anathema is they are an attack on civilization itself. it's not just boston strong, they're going against all of us together trying to find the key elements of the narrative in our pushback as opposed to just a data dump, numbers areimportant . tracks are important but also having the narrative brought out. >> mayors, you really want to

get this in terms of what my counter narrative is what you built on. you focus on the victims, focused on what kind of city you wanted to be and that was the story, the ultimate story that you gave.>> in reading your report, your paper, i think we were doing something that was intuitive to us without being in the confines of the type of response that you suggest. >> i know you were thinking of it as that in mechanical terms but the fact is you did, you gave a different narrative that was a powerful one. >> i would suggest, i don't know i was thinking of that exactly i think what that means is we think the best counter narrative is that there's a man like isis that's going to die essentially or be killed and as a woman, it's not roses. there sort of very much promoting women becoming johnny and having the women,,

one of the more interesting things that happened is to figure out ways in which we sort of forgive the former jihadist. you're starting to see some courts, as long as the person wasn't successful or killed a bunch of americans get support, get some leeway so you start to get the conversations out there both in europe and here in the united states in which the judge essentially said you know, for the lesser time, we want to hear your story because the story is going to be the lock them up attitude of, this may not be the long-term judging. >> to one of the signature aspects of social media and peter you mentioned it is this hunger for authenticity. it's also the rumor and making live streams, how many times in a day do you get something on social media that's funny or a joke or that also seems to you as

someone who's trying to help build a narrative, how do you unlock that collective and humor? and sort of skepticism as part of the challenge because you can't manipulate it and make it happen but when you show that they say they are this, that's not what they are. it seems like a lot of times the collective will take it from there, not always in the right direction. >> i have another question from the university of central florida audience from a student. they are dire, are you comfortable with this for a scalable twitter public relations response that pulse attacks have occurred during the workdayrather than night? >> it would have been a far different . of communication, the

challenges that would have happened during the workday and heather and i will talk about it earlier today that not only would we have had the communication aspect but we have had thousands of employees and businesses instead of being in the middle of the night when nobody was around except the people that were inside pulse my club and first responders, that it was in a totally different reaction and although i don't think if it would have been 11:00 the bar would have been open so that aspect is there. it would have been a lot more challenges. i think our protocol is still right in terms of how we do that but certainly the other organizations that are gathering information and conveying information and the amount of social media that would have been out there to begin with, that would have been far more difficult experience for us. >> is that sort of social media communication exercise part of national level exercises, when we practice at a national level iv incidents, are they

exercising bad aspects? >> it is but look, you can't put lipstick on a page. if your response is not good, and you're not going to make it look pretty like strong communication. you essentially need both area so it's taking longer than i think really people like to get the social media viewed as probably, i don't want to say as local news but as significant so that chain is taking longer, what does it mean to be out there with the people doing it, do they know how to do it? do you know how to do it? that maybe, i don't want to say it's generational but as police chiefs get younger, they're going to have grown up with facebook and feel much more comfortable than it being an alien thing and it's

still taking policy i want to add on the federal level, we have the challenge that we recognize with the fbi which is that it is not closer to the school, it doesn't necessarily have the authenticity whether it's at a big state or the fbi to be talking about an incident or dhs, it's one of the challenges on the national security side. we were talking about counter narrative, it's really hard to think about the us government sending out a whole bunch of tweets about how great it is in the west and how awful it is in the caliphate, it doesn't necessarily, it's not the voice that should necessarily be doing so. who should be the sort of step above that should be sending that message but even that then goes through the clearance of the constant, it gets complicated very fast and then you get problem the problem of how fast do you need to make it to counter the messages the enemy can put out very fast? >> if there are no more questions i'm going to get

one more, this goes back to the hero thing. we looked at what happened in pulse. remember we had a shooter who was actively trying to make himself the hero of his own story or what he thought heroic was and the reason that didn't get out in time was because facebook took it down. some of it was probably community rules that were automated and some of it was probably done with a human touch so i would point out that the social media companies do have a responsibility and a roll here and one that's going to be constantly in evolving as a threat and the perpetrators change and also as the technology changes. again, this launched two days before the attack on facebook so this is not going to be static, that they have a role to play in not letting someone advocate for this kind of criminalviolence . so we see yet another question from our audience?

>> this is from doctor vasquez again. and it's for peter singer. he says that i've heard this talk about the use of cell phone cameras and other devices but it's complicated us and allied military operations in the field. are you familiar with some of the stories that you can share and if this is a problem, is it an issue that the us military is doing a better job? >> is definitely an issue and it's this idea that there's no more secrets. or at least the secrets have a shorter half-life. the bin laden raid was supposed to be the most secretive military operation of the last generation. we all know the famous image of president watching the situation room live. but simultaneous to it, you had a pakistani it consultant

living in a a lot of on live tweeting the operation and so if that's happening, this is a couple of years back. we are looking forward to facebook live and we see that, again it goes to the election. you have this, why can we keep our operations in mosul secret? part of why we can't keep it secret is not only there's a massive desert in between but also everyone from isis fighters to our allies are tweeting to youtube channels that they've created a hashtag for the operation. when i say they, our allies. we are not in the same world. i wanted to circle back to what you raised sharon when you said media companies need to regulate this, need to control. but this is a new question for them in what lay the let

out. so there are acts of violence that some would say should not stop. others we would say are newsworthy and we can have an argument around that. this became an issue for example in the police shooting in minnesota that was, the images of it were put up online by one organization that violated that because they were violent, it was filling online. other people said no, this needs to be shown because it needs to be part of this national debate on police violence and race relations. the challenge is, these companies are the ones being asked to determine this , what are they well-equipped to do it, too, do we want them to do it. >> and mark three, do they want to do it? they didn't set out to regulate this world. they set out to create a fulltext and they feel uncomfortable about it one of the officials at these

companies pointed out that we have big companies that have capacityand the interest . in figure out then horrible gray area and what is danger in speech and what do you want to allow on your site and what don't you. he pointed out there are also a lot of social media companies that are little more than a guy in a garage with a server area and who neither have the capacity nor the interest to regulate what is posted so it's not, it may not even be the case that they can regulate or control it because not everything that's being seen by all of us has someone moderating it so that an element hereto. >> there's this scenario the mayor laid out of this being at night, a group that we all clearly disagree with but you gave another scenario of this being an daytime, how that

can be different including the video of it getting out. how the reaction, the politics of it might be different. >> we're just about out of time. do we have any last comments for the audience? >> allow me to thank you for the work you've done. >> it was wonderful to get in this conversation with you let's give our panel of the round of applause. >> . [applause] >>

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>> with the two weeks until election day this is the headline that political.com donald trump's window is closing dryness on the phone ben has been following the story things for being with us. you have been talking to republican operatives to they see a path to mid-70s for donald trump greg. >> most of them do not many have been warning since he was nominated it would be at about all and that this point there are very few republican operatives that will say publicly or privately that they feel confident trump has value. >> early voting is in place in well over half the country so what to the trends indicate for the democrats and republicans quick. >> they are relatively encouraging for democrats in florida where republicans

have consistently all performed to democrats that narrow advantage has narrowed further this year and democrats tend to outperform in person with the early voting. in north carolina republican's 2012 totally dominated with early voting but that margin has shrunk considerably in both places republicans need those margins to be competitive. in nevada we saw very well organized effort by democrats with the help of unions like katie perry was in nevada urging people to get to the polls early. overall it is positive for democrats is urging for republicans. >>host: you were writing about you bet -- utah

nonsense johnson defeated goldwater but right now the polls are showing a tight race with the independent potentially a picking up the state for the first time since 1968. what can you tell us about the race quick. >> is tight and the polls tended to show the neck-and-neck for'' sending more staffers to the state is the clinton camp. but they also think mcmullen is the favorite. so we could see a conservative and independent picking up the electoral votes. and daytime utah is a doubt if you're a republican that could be a potential catastrophe. >>host: and other state they are deploying resources into new hampshire with a tough reelection battle and what did the polls say in the race could.

>> the polls have then neck-and-neck but the senator there has struggled with trump on the campaign that she is voting for him but not endorsing him but then when the tape leaked about the apparent sexual assault ayotte disavowed him but the latest poll i have seen last week showing her now eight points behind. that speaks to the pickle that the republicans are in there is a danger to embrace him but he has die-hard supporters that our more loyal to him than the party so when the candidates disembowel trump they could face a penalty. >> where does this put clinton negative except the key senate races to put the democrats back into the majority potentially and the others where democrats are hoping for the of possibility to recapture the

house of representatives? >> they're going on offense to refocus at one negative refocus. we did hear clinton this weekend we are likely to see more of that we have seen barack obamacare amount to issue endorsements for a house race. with the republican majority there. in many ways this is the story how bad the congressional losses would be for republicans. >>host: so based on that ben schreckinger, how do the democrats make sure they still go to the polls? with the biggest risks for clinton is to rest on their laurels. >> that's right.

but democrats had the advantage to get out and they have to execute to manage expectations. there is a danger for both sides to conclude that this race is over voters will potentially stay home if they think it is a done deal. >> in those days before the election what can we expect from me to candidate? what is the approach? >> we will see an increase of congressional races with the strongest hand to congress he will deal with. now she is expecting by all indications to win this.

but with trump he has been wild card. when things got bad for him with the allegations of sexual assault, you saw him ratch up the rhetoric to get more extreme with the vast conspiracy and it is possible as things get down to the wire that he will find a new rhetorical extremes it is possible to position himself to not to be the fall guy and will be interesting getting the of explanation to see what he has to say about that. >>host: will look for your reporting at "politico".com. ben schreckinger. donald trump live in tallahassee at 6:00 p.m.

eastern on c-span2 with the election to weeks away here's what the campaign ads like. >> i'll be voting for hillary. >> i don't want someone running the country. if we want a hotel we will call donald trump. >> every individual that is what i appreciate of hillary clinton. >> make sure you vote. >> i approve this message. >> eye and donald trump and i approve this message. >> the man who murdered joshua is an illegal alien and should not have been here. >> it is so hard. then they took tim to a field and set him on fire. the hardest day of my life.

>> hillary clinton policy will allow people into the country just like the one that murdered my son. up next the washington state coalition coasting the debate between the incumbent and the republican challenger with the topics including homelessness and the death penalty from earlier this month just short of what our. -- one hour. >> good evening. tonight we feature a debate between the candidates for governor. and i am with 213 news in seattle as:moderator pas. >> the debate was organized by the coalition on astounded this year to

increase access to non partisan issues we do have a live audience with the viewing audience to be part of the debate to follow and comment on twitter how. >> we are about a non-partisan debate we are at home the try city's hispanic chamber of commerce and tri-city development council. >> finally to our sponsors a mitt impossible in support from the aarp and microsoft also the bill and melinda gates foundation. now let's begin with opening statements prior to the debate when it is determined that mr. bryant will go

first. bryant: banks rose in the debate tonight i will tell you why want this job would to sheriff to my vision of all the meat can accomplish together. have a 30 year 50 percent of students not graduating from high school the fourth worst traffic in america and the eight highest unemployment in america exploding onto our streets we are ranked 50th with the salmon run going extinct. is anyone who thinks we cannot do better? we can. what some do with starting with education. through seventh grade i was on of school in the reservation because of that want to insure every kid regardless of where they grow up to give them an equal chance to succeed i am running for governor because of education. let's fix our traffics in the commuters can get to

work on time is their families at a reasonable hour and work with the private sector to generate jobs and communities that are still struggling with an implanted. and those used to volunteer at a homeless shelter dedicating ourselves sitting get people out and onto their feet and restore habitat so the salmon comeback back every fall for generations to come. fulfilling that vision would take an activist in gauge forward thinking governor who can walk-in difficult issues with the coalition's. that is the kind of governor will be. i am asking for your vote. tonight i hope by ternate -- earn it. inslee: i am delighted to be here tonight washington is

where we threes' old negative raiser three boys. this is the perfect place for this discussion about how new york we are confident in the optimistic state complied we need an optimistic governor. if you look at the tri-cities you will realize three things, we making progress on jobs, education and transportation. rather are growing jobs here look at the garden plan we have created 250,000 new jobs they have been created in the last month we should be proud of that achievement. look at education. the bulldogs have increased their education rate 25% we

are moving forward. as a model for the nation what is happening here is happening statewide. every single child will have access to kindergarten released in the country that has reduced tuition for every student in a public school. and with the transportation we will be billed the red mountain interchange to fix highway 12 that is happening all over the state. we fix 405. and the north-south freeway. all over the state of washington to engage in the most massive infrastructure program in the history of the state of washington. eye and a confident and optimistic governor and we should keep that going.

>> moderator: before the end of formal questioning there is a way you can participate health care n homelessness and small business to check back with those results. >> moderator: as you know the texas headlines over the past two years shot and killed by police officers and captured on video. the prosecutor declined to press charges which requires proof that officers acted with malice. party believe that standard?

>> vs talk about the environment of which we are living into often in the united states we live in the environment based on fear and that is unhealthy for any of us. for those for us to exist together in a solid community we need to have trust regardless of the of what to make sure we have trust within our community and law enforcement. that undermines our democracy. we need to ensure we support those that move toward danger not away from that but we need to make sure that those people are treating everyone fairly. right now there is a task force looking at all facets of the difficult issue to come out with their findings with law-enforcement and look forward to looking at those results to decide whether or not washington

state needs to change the legislation. the things that would be premature. >> we have come along way america but we have more work to do to care racial injustice if we feel the pain of any family who loses anyone involved in violence. eye and endorsed by every single law-enforcement group . i am honored to have their endorsement. those men and women that put on their badge every morning deserve our support. we do need to do a couple things and examine the accountability statute which is very unusual was no wire in the estate's to prevent the shootings in the first place in an officer's have trading tuesday escalate the problems to be culturally competent with the best

criminal justice system also make sure every officer has that trading to prevent that tragedy. >> moderator: day final piece of the state supreme court mandate on school funding is to end the over reliance on local levies they pay for teachers salaries which is a state obligation to agree where local property-tax levees are lowered and the state would be raised to solve the problem? inslee: i believe in improving education for students that is why we put money into what we're doing for kids but now we have to take the last at 5.5 billion there is a way to have a

swap involved to induce mogul levies -- local levies but we should not confuse this with the proposal republicans have put forth to raise property taxes for half of the citizens in the state of washington. so there type of levy swap would raise the property taxes for half of the people in the state employment no money into the local schools i am committed to getting this done i believe we can do this may be closing a couple of rubles i think that can be done and i was shocked when they said we can kick the can down the road i will tell a white hat with shocking but we fashioned a bipartisan commitment at my request

that now looking at a task force to get the job done i am committed to doing it. >> moderator: where are you on the concept dryexx. bryant: what i thinking is important is governor inslee said he would have a plan but he didn't have one during the campaign the governor tech got tv ads but a promise after being elected in 2013 but then he had no plan. 2014 no plan but then all he did is promised to work on a before 2017 back amazement five times the governor has made half of the meetings. he has no plan and is not engage. delivery now plan is one of the reasons i am running for

governor. i have already started to work with legislators around the state on the plan first is equity. right now we have a situation in where school districts can provide kids with programs that rule n disadvantage cannot provide. not only unconstitutional but morally wrong. we will ensure there is equity every kid will have the same amount of money spent on them. under my plan we will spend 50 percent of our budget on k. 312 education the third date is innovation we cannot just put money into an engine and expect to go free want to go we have pre- apprenticeship programs for kids who don't want to

go on to college then deal with uniformity. and also deal through 2020. inslee: five will follow-up with you. >> moderator: probably the biggest eye did you deal with to solve the levy swap swap, where are you on the concept mr. bryant of raising state property-tax is. >> we have a situation right now of paying 5,000 per - - and those did the port district even though they charge and sells $5 per thousand cannot give the same programs that the kids in the richard district will get at $1.20. so if you have equal property tax across all

districts, and that raises that district, so the money stays in the district and the state insurance every kid will have the same of money spent on them. >> moderator: you have said governor inslee for some type of levy swap please clarify. >> it is a complicated issue but we can reduce the local levies and high property-tax areas and also memo property-tax areas to reduce the burden on local taxpayers. but we can only do so much if you do it too far you will increase property-tax is in the 12th year areas. once we do that i don't think people are acceptable to raise property taxes 22

plan dollars to have an apprenticeship program. we have action we are starting the apprenticeship program this year we have full day kindergarten starting this year reducing class sizes this year. this year kids are getting the tuition cut because we have found a way to put 5. $5 billion. >> moderator: next question. a federal court ruling led to the first time election the court ruled this city at large voter without representation they say the washington voters right act would make this easier with the half-court intervention.

>> we need to have a system where every vote counts and everybody believes their vote counts. dr. king said if they feel separated from society the don't feel any obligation but when that happens uh content of our democracy. we need a vibrant democracy in some cases rearrange that is why i support legislation so every population can be easily represented. we have a bigger problem than electoral lines for our fastest-growing demographic population only 30% will not graduate from high school. if they don't, they're more likely to be incarcerated or live in poverty your health problems. if that is the case then

they move more toward a smaller community. we major verdi is an active member and focus on high school graduation rates for: touring the censorship to pull together a for your initiative to increase high-school on the graduation rates along -- among minorities. inslee: i have been trying to pass the voting rights act of the objections but i do believe this is hell before democracy and a bad experience has shown that this can help communities we have three young latinas but in order to facilitate that to embrace that farsighted effort to give people fundamentally decide who

will represent them we need the voting rights act. in redo need people and young latinos to get early childhood education. i have put as much money or more. i was to seize spanish kid speaking english because of the education that i helped to finance the love the fact that cable dreadful day kindergarten so that'll fall behind for a pilot fact there are smaller class sizes the courage of these kids is amazing and when you see their eyes light up good things can happen. >> moderator: joining us tonight are four local journalists appear from the

tri-cities. >> diana from tacoma submitted on-line. last month five people were killed in mass shooting at the cascade mall. the suspected would do if the moratorium to proceed? did make this and every other tragedy affects all of our lives the pain that they feel is beyond imagination and i know that. and with my deliberations with the death penalty if met with victims and some of few agree with my position but that we should have equal justice under law. i found some disturbing things the fact that the death penalty is no where

close to be used in unequitable measure one person gets life the other person gets death depending on the county line. the racial aspect enters into this. i don't believe no matter what you believe on the philosophical aspect whether new or old testament, we have to have a system that is equal. and our death penalty machine is grossly inequitable. there is essentially no death potential -- penalty in 2010 hour country's it is cheaper to put someone in jail for the rest of their life with no possibility of probation or parole then to go through 108 -- 20 years of appeals. so we need an equitable system and i will maintain my position. >> party for the death

penalty and is it appropriate in this case quite. >> i am very confused about what the governor did. racemes he woke up one morning without talking 20 victims around the state decided to impose a moratorium it isn't clear what happens if the death warrant came up use jesse would pardon them? i am not clear on what you would actually do. with the state to take life and to pick and choose which lies to enforce in which to ignore. as long as it is the law in washington state eye will aforesaid. >> with the court system the state of washington has two lawsuits filed against the

department of energy. one is a lot missing deadlines the other is seeking worker protection from chemical vapors. is that the best way to achieve clean up? >> thank you. i was spending party of the day to talk to people about that. i have learned a lot invested three-- here meeting with people from all sides of the issue. i talked to previous employees, contractors and department of energy and i try to understand from all perspectives what is going on and why we're so far behind. but there are three elements to ring true. cannot as a gauge as the previous governor but

focusing so much to ignore the fact we have a more immediate threat from 120 yards from the river. and relegated to the attorney general mired in litigation and what they tell me because we have so much litigation right now the parties cannot talk to each other about how to move forward into issue a press release to say that we won we really are not talking about the timeframe and as governor went to provide that leadership simic the taxpayers are paying both to prosecute and defend. the civil leave the money would be better spent.

>> i totally agree. it fulfills its responsibility and i don't need a lot of education on this i have been working off and on over two decades as a member of the hanford caucus to make sure we were on top of these issues. but i met with secretary munis in seattle. but frankly the federal government they have done some good work with 500 square miles of radioactive material. a have said great plan they

should not be exposed to radioactive material. it is a battle for appropriations. and then to finance the project. so sometimes litigation is necessary. >> and those in the tri-cities. >> i would like to go to them not first microsoft question. health care 23% small business 18%. so i go to this question.

but now that homelessness is that crisis level do believe the state should appoint a harmless czar to take control of the issue to court nate is the response question mike we have increasing coordination with the first things with the department of commerce and to pass a useful lesson this bill and those who like to do things for those who are homeless their citizens and family members so increasing low income housing building 2,300 and homes.

second in rapid rehousing instead of getting people into transition housing to get them and permanent housing much more rapidly. but this will be very helpful. but that is totally an excusable in the state of washington. and why have they become homeless blacks there are addiction problems. but here is the other thing brent is going up and wages are not then homelessness goes up 15% one of the things we can do is increase minimum wage.

they don't have the addictive problem. so i am supporting a minimum-wage increase. >> we do not need the homelessness star we need a governor. [applause] this is a very important issue. >> moderator: we ask you not to apply. bryant: this is a personal issue long before ran for office of was a volunteer night manager at a homeless shelter i understand multifaceted reasons why people are homeless. we do not have been accorded approach and between the cities and states. we are spending twice as much before governor inslee and homelessness has

exploded if they said we have a problem and brcs spending twice as much and it is only gotten bigger you're not doing your job. we will do six things. first is called tolerance can denounce the lansing enforcement to deal with the criminal element and allow them to clean that up for are among countless cities are spending state money on homelessness. between 10 and 14 per person that is more than some foster kids we need to make sure it is spent well by investing in more permanent housing. that will require building codes to build tiny houses for those who want to get back on their feet also provide more mental health care our mental health

system is ranked number 50. let that sink in and coordinate the department of social help services and commerce their spread out and they will be consolidated under me. >> moderator: open enrollment starts on november 1st but cost continues to go up. to insurers have withdrawn from the marketplace next year the average premium increase will be 13% is held insurance market in washington working and what we do to slow the premiums? >> this is a huge issue whoever walks into the governor's office. if we don't get a handle on our health care or medicaid cost, in 10 years it will consume a disproportionate amount of our budget so we need to make sure our health care system works in right

now it is not a lot of people are seeing the premiums go away at the end coverage going down that is not a pathway for word. if you want to have a marketplace you have to provide with realtime information so patients can make informed decisions and doctors can communicate about what their choices are in we don't have that. we need to have that also combined primary and mental health i am told in a lot of cases the cost is going up because of somebody comes in for their primary health issue the dr. realizes there is a mental health issue they will give them a prescription for the sore throat tell them to come back and 30 or 40 days which probably never happens and that is what we have to deal with. to keep costs under control there are good models of where that is happening in southwest washington.

there are opportunities but it will take engaged governor ended activist governor and that is the governor that i want to me. inslee: and queer doing in the state of washington today every single thing that he talked about they were good ideas but we already doing that. we relieving the united states with a low of medical inflation rate. people like to see zero but here is the best evidence. last week the federal government gave my administration because of my leadership and of my team a waiver to use 1.eye billion dollars - - 1.$5 million. this is a no-brainer we're leading the country in the integration of mental-health . you don't have to go to a

different places for treatment we are inventing new ways to purchase health care. the old way to buy health care was a procedure it was per procedure we want to keep people for health in the year leading the country by value rather than volume and increasing the availability of these open you weighed epidemic we are experiencing. we announced the initiative to attack opioid epidemic it provides telemedicine been and if you are afraid you can get the latest information. they are working today in real leading the country i am proud of our work.

>> moderator: did has become very common with the tunnel and the bridges the 405, governor inslee do support expanded use of tolls and hot lines to help generate in the money needed to replace and repair other corridors across the state which will need major upgrades quite. >> we have not made that part of the plan going forward. when i started its governor i knew how troublesome traffic congestion is striving to destruction across the state of washington. i decided to focus to build the big infrastructure improvement plan to reduce congestion to build more buses or light rail or single vehicles or the connections we had a lot of

opposition to that for a couple of years because those in the senate didn't want to pass the bill better brought the parties together we passed a $16 billion transportation package the largest infrastructure development project in the history of the state that will help everybody from the red mountain interchange through highway 12 to finish the north-south freeway finish 167 the highway to know where. we did the first ground-breaking to improve the congestion. this was financed not by tolls but increase of the gas tax. if you build the big infrastructure program you have to have revenue we felt that was the fair and best way to do that. now we are involved in a program that is a two-year program.

that bill helped to design by adding lane to reduce congestion. bryant: i have no idea what the governor is talking about i want to take one of those toll lanes to put into a general purpose lane. also heard him taking credit for passing the transportation package. that is amazing before the governor left office she pulled 20 of us together to put together a transportation package for whoever walks into the office at the end of the 16 months . we put together a plan for the next governor it was ready to go for the next legislative session. when he came into town to make transportation of part of the issue for the first time ever. it took many of us three years to put that back together again. we need to reduce traffic

congestion that would be the top priority and we don't need to have more megaprojects. the engineers say you need to have my resolutions we know there is an on ramp or offer and that wasn't amount one negative intended to handle that amount we need to reconfigure. their parts of the roads to data lane and now want to reiterate we need to remove one of those tall lanes but we also need to invest in transix that works. and deliver the transit within the next six or eight years and that is why i will act to bring in the bus rapid transit to communities all over the area. >> moderator: good evening. the next question comes from an audience member who was concerned about water

quality at the yakima basin. arguing the state department of ecology is disregarding its own scientists to protect the low react in a valley in well water for nitrates. so how do respond quick. >> some of you know, eye a have from the air the '80s and '90s we still do business between the area so i am very aware of those who are struggling with these issues. what they tell me is we're not making decisions that they want to protect the water quality but these are regulations written for the coast. we did regulations written for here in the valley. they're not against regulation they want to make sure before they make a huge investment it will yield the results at the end of the day. if they are asked to make huge investments then water

quality will not be involved at all. that is why it the departments can justify what we have already got. it will take about six months but we will look at every regulation to see how you know, it is meeting its objective what will look different what is the of legislative authority to give you the ability to implement that regulation? let's make sure what they're asking them to do is based on sound science for what we want to achieve. we will have a regulatory system people have confidence. >> the people of yakima deserve to have a well to get the well water to your three month old and not worry about nitrate poisoning.

that this simple. with my administration adopted a rule -- a rule to reduce the nitrates to preserve human health. i take issue with my opponent who doesn't want to move for word clearly those what is necessary. it is an approach we need rules against the oil train blowing up a and help the railroads we safer to inspect the rails on a more frequent basis and others to help first responders. my opponent wants to stop the rulemaking process and understand that. so now in the pipeline if we're going to build the red mountain interchange the infrastruinfrastru cture project cost 40 million we will fix highway 12 the bill says we don't need to do

that he will just do that with magic. i have to disagree with him behalf 50 years 60,000 people moving here because we have the number one economy in the united states . why we have the homelessness problem they are driving up the rent we need to build the transfer to asian infrastructure project and we need to have rules to protect our children's drinking water. >> moderator: republican secretary of state that would require residents to claim citizenship or residency to give a driver's license to ensure that non-citizens that washington is the only state in the country that doesn't require legal documentation. there rights groups argue there is no proof around

citizens voting and say with the agricultural industry where do stand perhaps. inslee: i am not sure what the secretary is proposing it is not clear to me. if she is proposing we need to bring driver's license into compliance with the federal id act i agree with that and propose legislation to do that. it is a simple piece of legislation that legislators have not seen fit to pass that but we can and we should. if she talks about people who started to vote in 1948 over the korean war but now we don't let them vote unless they show the birth certificate idol believe that is necessary because there is such a minimal suggestion. i think we need more people voting.

if that is what she is suggesting, i don't know, but i can figure out where she is proposing. >> to bring that in compliance with the federal law the reason is that some point the federal government will no longer allow less use their driver's license to get on the airplane. that is an inconvenience a laptop with the administration three weeks ago on this subject in hopes the federal government will allow us to pass a law to get that done. bryant: we need to clarify the record. he said i was opposed to any regulations of trains that is flat out not true because that has come up before saying it over and over again does not make it trouper kravis talking to railroad workers today there satisfy you haven't done anything.

>> moderator: rules forbid you for talking directly m. bryant: they tell me that the governor has done nothing on this issue. [laughter] as your governor i will move forward with laws and regulations to venture we have adequate and approval that be restricted link that carries soil with regular inspections of cars on the tracks. also the whole idea of beaumont finished the road and i dedicated the last 10 years to get that through is absurd i am not relying on magic just on a transportation paget -- package that you blew up in repast three years later in spite of him. >> when it comes to transportation i will be defending the interests of the people of washington in terms of ensuring that we have a voter i.d. yes, we

have to do what we are one of 50 states you have to have a passport to get on the airplane. >> moderator: gentlemen as the father of two of the old-growth education is very important to me but a new report shows in the last five years the demand for new teachers in washington schools has increased 250% partly due to the fact experienced teachers are leaving. so what is your plan to recruit and retain high in the qualified teachers? bryant: above this question because for me teachers are family. my dad, my sister, and my sister-in-law and brother-in-law are all teachers this isn't just something we steady but it comes up in family dinners

all the time for we have got to ensure we keep young innovative teachers in the system and to many are leaving. why? part of that is compensation . if you are a governor and you want to go to the yield and new teachers beginning in increased to those making over 70,000 that will not solve the problem support the funding into the new teachers to encourage them to stay in the profession and make sure we are including teachers of color so they can identify with the children and figure out how we can compensate excellent teachers for our want to build the state as your governor every teacher wants to teach there fairly compensated and supported. that is what i will strive for.

>> moderator: but we do to keep teachers in the classroom? inslee: i will tell you what we have done it is an extremely important issue 50 percent of our new teachers for a combination of lack of support in the classroom with inadequate compensation and as your governor and has substantial progress is why i am proud to be indoors because they know this is hell of a priority. i know what this means. to have the endorsement to get them a small increase of compensation we need more to

retract and retain. eighty-two with three years then they go work for amazon . i have provided and i have a mentor ship program. for those who have challenging conditions without mentors my dad learned how to teach from his mentor but now they have london for ship i saw this in spokane they get a mentor that will stand beside them and work with them. also reducing class sizes it is unfair to the teacher with 28 basis that is just too many said they are reducing class sizes. those of the three most important things we have done. >> q however going to be in

support to help meet the state's would you closed-end if not why i do oppose those tax breaks saturn not justifiable to educate our children. because we have been able to making give every student a tuition break and increase compensation and now you want to move forward for some of the things we do in the four year colleges. we have an opportunity grant program where we give kids mostly minorities or in

poverty if you go to the stem program you have free education. it is magic. i want to extend that to every technical college across the state of washington. that may include a require reducing revenues coming in and because we have such great economic growth than closing the loopholes. i know he served as a registered federal lobbyist and is close to the oil and gas industry but they do not need $65 million in that industry that ought to be closed and there are others as well but i am not a time. >> moderator: what would you close? bryant: i am in favor of all the polls on the table despite what the governor says.

i said a number one i will identify strategic objectives for every department then look in every program and agency and every loophole if they do not have a strategic objective we fix or eliminate. everything is on the table with the brilliant administration. p. doesn't support income-tax and then within weeks to have over $1 billion of bottled water water, be year, income, he said he doesn't support the income-tax but i asked, will you veto a tax in come if it lands on your desk? a few weeks ago he said he would sit consider it. we have to close the loopholes but that is not going to provide the money we need we have to have a

program to actively fund education across our state it will be much more complicated than the governor thinks that is why we increase funding of 50 percent and let gatt innovation dealing with uniformity between school district is how we get it done it is hard work and hard to talk about in one minute 30 seconds but is what i have dedicated myself to measure governor. >> moderator: we are at the end of the questions now each of you can provide your closing statements. bryant: i appreciate this opportunity to have this debate i appreciate the governor to be a part of that you like them but they are important to our democracy to give people a choice and this year you really do have a choice. i know what will change if you re-elect governor inslee if you listen to the debate

debate, you had a lot of talk of how much money we have spent i gave you the 4.place in. if you talk about what we need to be doing but he really didn't talk about how will we recover salmon run or really what to do about the homeless i gave the 6.place and. what will be different if we reelect governor inslee? i don't think anything we will continue to have gridlock but i will tell you where we are different island to be an activist governor that meets the needs of every kid's to provide better suffering eight or 9% to be dedicated to assure we reduce traffic

jams to get to work on time and get home to see their kids on what does all to dedicate ourselves to rebuilding the mental health system. it is about all of us republicans and independents coming together to get a good job and a four day house and raise a family that is what i want to do lacher governor. inslee: i love the debates that on the way he got that idea but love to take the oath of office even more so i am honored to help the me in in that regard. the past four years and get up every single to figure

out what i can do in a bipartisan fashion almost all success has been in a bipartisan fashion. it is the joy of mine to see a young child who might have a speech difficulty that dishy did not get help might end up never reaching her full potential. to have an early childhood education to go to a ribbon cutting that will connect at 167 to reduce congestion one of the most congested corridors of the state.

that means we are in optimistic state. and to growing create more jobs. to have less oil trains to blow up eye and appreciative of your rope. [applause] pdf

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