human can accept be a real human now, from the very beginning, the first emulation, you spent billions of dollars making this first one, you've got some hardware but you can run it, what you looking for. you're looking for people at the top of their profession today who the world is willing to pay a lot for. you want to scan somebody for whom there's a lot of demand, the scan is not so expensive. ceos for example are often paid a lot. if the scan is cheap but the emulation is not, maybe maybe you'll take the best ceos make thousands of copies of those. it's still a pretty small job market. if you want lawyers, there's a lot more more of those. you could take the best software engineer in the best lawyer and make some awesome copies of those and make a lot of money. the very beginning you are the people who are in the best the very quickly the world changes so you want younger people were more flexible and able to adapt in which case they look for younger human children to scan

and if that's this directive, you have the problem of distracting human children to make emulations. have you given much thought to the status of each of those sciences or craft. :. : putting more effort and if you want to speed it up. presumably when people start to think this is possible they would put huge amounts into speeding up which areas are

ready but they would wait until they were almost ready. at the moment it's probably one of the closest doing pretty well but it's hard to predict. it's like can you track it and with computers and modeling you can have more unexpected jumps and progress. which one is the last one ready if the next technology is available this becomes a very distributed smooth transition.

it's hard to anticipate the technology in a concentrated or very random you could end up it happens people didn't expect it's only a small group that did on that kinbombed that kind of e in more equal transition. compared to other kinds of artificial intelligence this is more of a threshold technology. so we slowly get better and it is just a long slow wave in the economy. until you have the whole emulation working you don't have much that is useful so there is a point in time you can do a lot in the back creates the possibility of a more disruptive transition to a.

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facebook that keeps getting reinvented. tonight we welcome eleanor and heck although eleanor has until 45 years made boston and brookline her home she was raised and educated in ohio, thank you, fellow midwesterner. [applause] a graduate of oberlin college she writes for periodicals on the daily newspaper and then for publications including "ms." magazinems. magazine, "thk times," the atlantic monthly and boston magazine. her investigative reporting on the transport of the underbelly of home inspections she's written books about the lives of mary currie and the psychoanalyst as well as fdr's federal theater projects and the

book human trials which is about the process of modern drug development. eleanor tells the story of the reporter much like our offer and the first lady eleanor rooseve roosevelt. tonight we will begin to delve into the possibility and faults of the story guided by someone whose record is relentlessly captivating. they had this one dragged to them by a book they couldn't put down. we are lucky to have her as the guide tonight. please join me in welcoming susan. [applause]

it's been such an important place when i feel out of sorts. a. it sounds to me like a personal triumph so we will talk about what went into that writing. every book has its ups and downs but this one had the most i would say. eight years ago, published a book about the federal theatre project during the roosevelt administration and i love writing about the period and thought i would like to continue.

my first idea is to write a book about harry hopkins was the second most important in the new deal under roosevelt ended than during the war, just an enormously important figure. i wrote a lengthy proposal i sent to publishers. it was well written and both agents thought it was a sure thing. i need to take a moment to introducintroduce two important directors and the story. one of them is my agent but jill is much more of an agent and has been a friend of. she has been a friend and critic

and support and so very important to me and him. the other person i need to introduce him he is probably the reason you are all here to. he's my biggest cheerleader and critic and there are a whole lot of friends listed in the back of the book and many of them have heard parts of the story. march, 2011 the proposal goes out and we couldn't sell it. they wrote back very flattering rejections. when you talk about tennis players and say they are pushing it over the net that's what it's

like. so i got very depressed for quite a while and i thought my writing life was over and if we ever find another subject, then i'm not sure how it came together but i realized there was a story connected which was both more compact and more compelling. it had to do with a woman that had a relationship with eleanor roosevelt and i knew a little of the background. i knew there were biters and a book in 1980 so it turns out eleanor exchanged over 3,000 letters and most of them were given to the library in hyde park when she died in 1968 in

the stipulated the letters could be open ten years after her death. by chance, doris was the one who first told the letter and she had written a bunch of books about presidents and presidents wives and she was horrified. she decided to write a book about the relationship so when the book came out, a publication called big mamma rae lamented that turning those letters over was a ten to the medieval christian theologians. so i realized right away this was an opportunity in change times and here's where we are

writing about it. so in my book with one exception the book about research has been about strong and remarkable women. karen was the first, marie kerry and even the theater books focused on one strong woman who was the head of the theatre project. there was another reason that i connected to this. even though the relationship had been floating around the atmosphere, times changed and this was a story that could be embraced and celebrated.

she actually prefers it so i had a more accepting feeling so there it was. i knew from the moment i realized i set out to write another proposal and this is one of the ideas that help you solidify your ideas and it's true they also help you to sell the book. okay so in april of 2012, it went up to about 20 publishers. the response was not all positive. an editor at large. unclear how big and not sure we can garner significant attention among the reviews that it will no doubt see him.

anotheanother once i have a sonw of writing a biography, so my heart wouldn't be in it. that is an honest response. then a more positive one. it's an amazing thing to read a strong proposal and no without any doubt how much more exceptional public itself will be. july, 2012 i got in contact with penguin press. two and a half years later the book wasn't done and i was pleased with it. so, i had a date for lunch december 8, 201 2014 and they ld at mi looked atmy calendar and , eastern standard, three exclamations. so i was expecting a triumphant launch but it didn't turn out the way that i had spectators

would. she thought the writing was stiff and distancing. there were too many clothes. she said i feel like you've are pushing myou werepushing me awa. she said it feels cold to me. it is to inhibited. and she said it's nothing like the proposal, that really hurt. [laughter] so i was devastated and there happened to be a snowstorm that they so i walked home and the snow was coming down and the tears were coming down at the same time. i felt annoyed, angry, all those things but by the time i got home i was beginning to see what she meant.

i realized i was using the er because i have reverence for this woman and i was talking on the one hand i couldn't talk about the relationship of the two equals. she had to be eleanor. nobody called her eleanor in public places. nobody called her eleanor. but so what. i had to take charge of this and as soon as i figured that out, things began to come together so there were months of leave writing and lif i was determineo finish it. we were still suggesting ways to make it better which was also

annoying. [laughter] and meanwhile the editor that bought the book last. this always happens to me and others it's called being orphaned, and it's not good especially since it often means that the book is turned over to a young editor who has been invariably described as brilliant but usually is not. [laughter] while we were in spain i became convinced the book was in trouble and wasn't going to get published at all and i made a desperate call to my agent and she put me in touch with the editor-in-chief and called me at midnight is still in the office and i was in tears i said what's happening with the book and i think she was quite taken aback.

she had no idea. she said there is no reason to be concerned we are planning to publish it and take advantage of the run for president. so she seemed to have complete confidence in my ability and hillary's nominations. so i called down. and abac the bad in the end is t happened. and a new young editor took over at penguin. her parents are here tonight so bravo. you did well. she was invariably right in what she suggested. sometimes it would be needing to explain more clearly or the truth about one of my two heroines facing up to things.

she did the best job anyone has done on a book of mine so that is my happy ending. now i'm going to read a short passage from the book. i have to give to a little bit t of background before i do this. in 1932 she was assigned to cover roosevelt. the relationship began to shift and she started trusting her more and more and started falling in love with eleanor and vice versa. by the time fdr was inaugurated.

she wouldn't be abl wasn't ablea reporter. she was one of the few in the latter. she felt really ill and couldn't do it on the night before the inauguration she was with eleanor and fdr was in the next room with their son polishing up the speech in which she said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself and they passed it on and he realized at that moment all they would have to do is drop in a nickel and gave a few key phrases but she didn't

do it. she stayed with eleanor and slept in that hotel room that night. after that it became clear she couldn't do that job anymore. she went to work for the road and reported on conditions in the fueling growth terrific reports. the details came from the report. so 1933, they went off on a vacation together in the summer in eleanor's buick and they managed to have a lovely time so they were counting on doing the same in the summer of 1934 in california they were planning to meet on a private tour and

that's all you need to know at this time she does know how to drive but she learned. it was very serious but the car was totaled so now she had a cheaper plymouth which you figure in the story. chapter nine, getting away with it. they had been exchanging letters for months about the trip imagining quiet seclusion and beautiful places. but when he walked into the lobby she encountered reporters and photographers.

thanks in part to eleanor was now the darling of the press celebrated for her astounding energy into the ability to turn up here, they are, anywhere. time alone together was going to be hard to come by. the next day she picked her up at the airport and sent her quickly through the hotel lobby explaining the first lady needed to freshen up. as a former reporter she understood the situation. they agreed for the moment. unbeknownst to the reporters, they had arrange have arranged e trooper to drive the newly acquired convertible to the rear entrance of the hotel and wait for the two of them to emerge. then they took another one down to the entrance and through the bags they jumped in and started up with the trooper at the

wheel. the secret service is that eleanor pleaded as the enemy helped by taking the plates from california once. it was no use. the. of the trooper was taking it up to higher and higher speeds and lr finally called a halt to the chase. let's stop. she thanked the troopers and send them on their way. we have to find another way out of this is ms.. the reporters crowded around them have one question, where were they going. she refused to answer.

this is my vacation and i expect to be treated as any other. she pulled her knitting from the backseat and announced she would sit there all day before she told them where she was going. we were actually going to see the former lover, the women she lived with very heavily for eight years back in minnesota but she had fulfilled her childhood dream and found a man to marry. the relationship with eleanor could never be that. even if eleanor dared to live

openly she isn't able or willing to devote herself to one other person. she would also be tied up to a husband but the friendship with many others. eleanor had insisted they would do a lot of reading on their vacation. she also mentioned in passing her idea of taking a camping trip in the mountains. now she discovered there was a plan to explore yosemite on horseback on the high sierra is 11,000 feet above sea level. how could you do this to me. you will manage. he had no writing experience or

she smoked too much and gained weight during her months on the road. it was a long day. i get hungry. she believed she was doing a favor and worry about the smoking and eating and suggested she take up knitting at a point and lose weight because of her diabetes. she followed in the tradition of theodore roosevelt who threw her into teach her to swim. one doesn't shrink from danger or bitter toil. a ride up the mountain board do good as long as they could, he was content even when they

decided to take a slip and a jumper in the creek she was embarrassed and amused. what infuriated her where the tourists when the two of them came upon some chipmunks. they noticed people were pointing cameras and he explained some choice profanities. they left in a hurry with the lenore trying to shush her. the rest followed the same pattern. there were happy times at her favorite restaurant followed by a cable car ride where she had lived and there was talk in the moonlight looking out over the bay but it was followed by the shock crowded with reporters and flashing cameras. over and over again the moments were intercepted.

on their final night together with a view of the mountains they emerged to find another lobby packed with townspeople including the mayor. eleanor silently handed over the keys and she knew by now that he was likely to behave badly under such circumstances. he went into the room to deal with the crowd and eleanor arrived a half-hour later slamming the door behind her. franklin was right, she declared, he said i will never get away with it and i can't. i will travel as i'm supposed to travel and try to do what is expected of me. when they got back to portland where eleanor was scheduled to meet the ship returning from hawaii, the sitting room was filled with flowers and played e

first lady's admirers. more than either of them had seen in one place. the flowers represented the future, the intimate life she had hoped for that was impossible. all you need, she declared walking around the display is a corpse. [laughter] as she prepared to resume her official role they told the gazette they should have a right to privacy on vacation. then she added a piece of advice about catching the gangster that is currently on the land. if i had charge of the case i would call the police and send reporters after. [laughter] they would find him. [applause]

so now a little bit of talk, discussions. >> did eleanor have a previous history of same-sex relationships? >> no but they build a little cottage industry in the she was the third in a lot of relationships with women who love women and it's interesting so many that are involved in democratic politics were in fees

commitments so it was all around her and then what probably saved her life more than anything, the woman who read it had a partner into there was an atmosphere about that interesting so there is all this and in some ways, she had the narrow class and this was free. >> i have one question. i haven't read your book so i can't comment on it.

i did read no ordinary time and it did strike me if you think of the relationship as being similar to my fair lady, the irony is roosevelt was the one who developed and who came apart and influenced her and helped mold her, and eleanor was certainly more wealthy. >> that's an interesting analogy. [inaudible] >> key mentioned a comparison to my fair lady of all things, and the protége and the role if he is suggesting henry higgins in this relationship. she really helped eleanor of a difficult time in life.

eleanor didn't want to be first lady. she encouraged her to have all of these conferences and got the idea of the column from the exchanges because she was giving her an account of each day and they realized this could be a call one and that is what introduced her to this world and made her by the end of her life the first lady in the world -- do we need to fix that? she helped her with her writing. she never became a great writer i have to say, a lot of platitudes but he helped her a lock to become less preachy and talk about her personal life

much more than she had in the beginning. there must have been so many discoveries i wonder if there is a favorite you would like to tell us about. >> the joke i read at the end of the reading that is something i discovered online going through papers. smack the question was discoveries. i'm probably not going to be about to come up with a specific one now. i counted how many times i traveled to the library and it was 22 times and each time i stayed for probably a peak and i read all of the 3,000 letters. so i think it is kind of a totality of understanding the kind of depth and breadth of the relationship from doing that.

>> were some of the letters cut out or conceal that they didn't all survived is that right? >> they accused her of wanting themfame from reviewing these famous from reviewing these letters but they thought it was a treasure and so i'm glad she didn't throw them all out for. out. >> when you did this research, what was the relationship

between fdr and eleanor? >> what was th the >> what was the relationship between fdr and eleanor? >> she discovered that he was having an affair with her secretary, that was pretty wounding. and after that, the relationship was a partnership that the romance is gone and she set about creating a separate life which is one reason it was so hard to leave new york and becoming first lady. so, fdr had a number of flirtations. they may have been sexual relationships and he'd like to have women around him who adored him and laughed at his jokes and who shared his cocktail hour what he called the children's

hour. eleanor wasn' wasn't a person te had somebody else and there's an interesting new book by the way. but i think that he really accepted all of the relationships because they got him off the hook and they would separate parallel lives. he liked some of his friends a lot and helped build together and called it their love nest. you have to make some leaps about how much they knew because they didn't talk about this at least publicly.

>> reporters loved eleanor and because of the old one in press conferences which were her idea a lot of women got jobs. sometimes she was described as a news hawk or manage. there would be those kind of descriptions of her. and there was a subtext that that was as far as it went i would say. >> the roosevelts have children and roosevelt was obviously another. i'm undergoing if you delve into how that related to her relationship having the children and hel how the children relateo that. >> eleanor wa >> eleanor was another and have

five children and how does that relate, the irony is he had no children, no pedigree, but she became the main confidant and the children were pretty much a hard. the daughter she was closest to and probably managed the best but among the five children there were 17 divorces over their lifetimes and that this was starting to happen when they were in the white house. one of the first secrets is that a amount was having an affair on the side with a journalist which meant she later went on to marrying that person. another just married, had a newborn and laughed within months. the mother and baby stayed at the white house. everybody stayed at the white

house and she had a room for nearly the entire 14 years of the roosevelt presidency. >> on children could you say something about franklin's mother? [laughter] >> one of my observations is that she spent her life involved in triangles and they think that even in her family origin she adored her father but was absent and after the mother died she even wrote i wasn't sure if i was to be the mother and father ssaid she was confused about t

that. but then she was also part of a triangle because the first allegiance i think was to his mother and she was a powerful figure and that is one of the things that complicated the children because she even went tolwouldtell them i am your rear is just very undermining and eleanor wanted to set limits and whenever she did, she would undermine them in one way or another. so, she had a lot of rage and that came out a loss in the letters. he was the safe person and that's one of the most important things she could talk about these things. >> can you talk more about writing the book where it flows through and got difficult in your own sort of emotional journey tax

>> about the writing of the book and my emotional journey and where it flowed and where it is and. i am not sure that we have an answer to that. one thing as i said when i decided i didn't have to close letters all the time if i could paraphrase i could move forward and that was the drive i needed and they shouldn't b i shouldn'f that it was about not being afraid of this person. one of the things that happens is that half of the world meant to eleanor roosevelt. people all the time talk about this. how many people know of someone

so there would be the things commission is the greatest most wonderful woman. it's hard to write a book about a pentagon. and eleanor was magnificent, but she had her flaws and some of them wound up hurting in some ways, so i had to love them both and get rid of that which was getting in the way. >> after fdr died, did eleanor and live together? the >> no. what happened is by the time fdr

died, the relationship is no longer passionate. the passionate par part is divid into six years, five or six years and when through tremendous discipline they managed to accept the fact she wasn't going to be number one which was her dream and she wouldn't be able to go off and have this private relationship there were just all these people and she was at that point in love with a young radical and then there would be another person and this was one among many and that was painful for her but she realized if she was going to have any relationship she had to accept that. so she toned down and got it under control so she wasn't having outbursts all the time so

they remained friends and correspondents. she was sent well and wasn't able to respond to that. she had heard she wasn't able to eat and she sent one of her cars and had them come to hyde park and then she got her own little place and managed a victory and began writing children's books and wrote one that became a huge hit and by the time i talked to her granddaughter recently and that books still brings in about $85,000 a year.

that's an amazing thing. but after eleanor died she went on for another five and a half years and requested at the end of her life that her -- that she be cremated and her ashes percolates hc somewhere but actually they stood on a shelf in the funeral home for 30 and were finally dumped into the unclaimed remains part of the cemetery. a married couple found out about this and decided to raise money for a plaque. a journalist, activist friend and thank goodness for that because i and my book with a

postscript about that. >> two short questions. the granddaughter that wrote the helen keller book -- >> she has the right. she wrote the book about when he died, eleanor's granddaughter was given the royalties. >> the other thing, franklin is kind of absent from this story. >> franklin is kind of absent from this story. it's one of the things i remarked on from the beginning. the profiles, the news, the descriptions, they are absent from each other's stories.

>> he seemed to like her and with user stories and people would be impressed. he wouldn't necessarily give credit but he said early on you better watch out for that woman, she's really smart, and she was. i think that she liked her and that relationship got him off the hook. >> at the time was either worried about being outed and now is there any chance are you expecting any blowback or denial of the nature fo of the relationship as the book comes out?

speak any blowback or denial about my talking about their relationship and were they afraid of th at the time of beig outed i have little evidence of how they felt about that and whether they worried about it. at one point there was a famous book called the well of loneliness which is a classic about love between women and he said i wouldn't walk around public with that under my arm so i got close to knowing how they felt about this. it was a shame and a crime so it wasn't talked about. and as effect to now, we debated quite a lot about whether to call it a love story and we could have called it was the other thing, and intimate relationship. jill and i were strong on both story and i don't know how much.

there is no doubt that their time together particularly in the early years is very blissful and they are mourning for each other. nowadays it is almost a tame story that can be separated and kept in proportion that can tell it like it is. >> did she have a relationship with churchill?

eleanor, yes. winston churchill often visited the white house. did eleanor have a relationship with churchill, yes. she didn't like churchill at a all. they often celebrated christmas but not on the same day so they would have their own little celebrations they were supposed to have it on christmas eve and he came to the white house to celebrate and she seemed very annoyed and said our whole celebration has been brewing at which point it was hilarious, you know. she disliked the way they talked about the war and said it was like two little boys playing with their pens and maps.

she hated his whole imperialist view of the world and spanish civil war which asked that the spanish civil war both of us would have had our heads handed to us by the republicans and so they thought about things and didn't really like each other very much at all. >> did your opinion change over time as you were researching the book? connected your opinion change as you were writing the book, very much. and i went through different phases of it.

i had to get over seeing her as a real person with all her work but especially after franklin died in that blast period of her life is so pure a lack that i came to admire her profoundly sort of watching from the sidelines. one more. >> i find it interesting how she has a role for the first lady on a daily basis and yet historically looking back she says in this incredibly private relationship and it is actually upwards of three books about his affairs.

at ththe time is so huge that te days the mora moral standings to become a standard for holding accountable and especially a wondered if you had any thoughts on it. >> the person that is responsible for the title the question is the amount. >> no more. >> and how it would translate to the modern day. >> i wrote an op-ed piece no one

has published yet and it's about what -- should be detached from her hair. i'm not sure where i was going with that except to say nowadays it would be different. eleanor didn't want to run. she said i would have to be chloroformed first. a woman with this accomplishment probably would run for office and then would have to deal with all that hillary has had to deal

with. the other thing is both o of the men screwing around. that would be all out in the open. >> i believe you said some are for more or less. >> you mean for falls or quality click >> she could be kind of ambivalence. what are some of the qualities that her pic in the end? for instance, she never gave enough credit and that might be a concern about outing the relationship and she wrote a lot

of books and there is a lot that is untrue or polished up for consumption. she could be hurtful in that w way. ..