creating an option syste systemt all of these are potentially very interesting sort of public policy approaches that come out of your work. we are running down to the end of our time here, so i am just going to ask you is there any kind of a final take away from your book that you want the viewers to be aware of before we close this comple? >> guest: the final take of vegas and the trade-offs. like everything in life, not everybody is happy when something is done. some people tend to gain and some people tend to lose. for far too long we have tended to oversimplify. economists in particular seemedo be guilty of this. they oversimplify and spin in a particular direction and downplayed all the costs and just emphasize the globalization in general.

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>> what was your goal with the your book churchills trial? what will be learned greg. >> expends a lot of time to figure out what this means that is what i set out to do >> what did you learn greg. >> the book was a lot harder to write that i thought it would be i have been studying him 14 years as he wrote so very much so i made the terrible mistake to think it would be relatively

easy but it was much harder than i thought because when you start to write it down to account for the main things in his life for what he advocated during defended it turns out they relate to one another more deeply and more complex ways than i imagined and i came to understand him better i hope and i think it was the painful process. >> did you approach the book from a fan perspective? >> i am a scholar five '01 to write anything i cannot defend but i do admiring him very much and just to list the things that he achieved his very hard for anybody in history like can. he wrote 50 books and they're worth reading just

by itself doesn't that separate terror from nearly everybody even the politicians? one of the great turning points several history he was there he was in a place that matter the most closed three months ended things that nobody else would have done so he did alter history in major ways there are arguments about that but to be eloquent to write as much and as well as he did to be there in the turning point and then explain what that was about, i don't know anything quite like that. >> host: churchill grow to as much as he acted and he wrote about a reaction his books numbered more than 50 his articles are almost numberless. >> key made his living when

he was 20 the father of neville chamberlain and partner when his father was alive said i don't think i could never keep up with the pace of the riding and the speaking and that would be required but churchill was not rich but he made almost all of this money from speaking. he called them a the potboilers. but some of them are profound teachings ecolab us this term on contemporaries.

in those four different people in they had the same thing. and then there is an essay that stands up to the standard. who were his friends? >> ids. he had friends. for those that persisted through life and going to cuba to tell the war office was going on with the spanish war in the cuban people. they became friends there is

serving into other actions but churchill was very close he is in the movie chariots of fire very learned and very powerful man to show very good defect with chariots of fire and that to go to the liberal club facilities. and to be a member of the carlton club. are you a member of the club? i thought this was a public convenience.

[laughter] and to write a beautiful s.a. to comment to say he piled up the treasure then there were a lot of young cripple and then as a backer of the financial times there is a really great man named cooper and they gave him only die-hard jobs to do. and his grandson toward the end of his life in and day

great historian in the best toward that i have ever seen. [inaudible] did the british people make the right decision to get rid of churchill after world war two as prime minister quit. >> idol think so and he did not think so. he has an explanation of that. first of all, he ran the campaign very hard. to laydown those strong implications that churchill was a nazi can he lay down july 1945 the socialist government idealize the old mitt aim it is not their intention that is what they

would need. and got beat by a lot. he won by a little 51. and then the ultimate consequences of socialism i think it was a mistake. so it is in such a socialist party as maybe they give that agreement. >> host: when he gave the iron curtain speech that was the and the wilderness at that point? gimmicky only met harry truman once.

and then the takeover and then the enormous change happened with the world affairs between july 1945. in the tremendous penetration because the chairman of administration but to contain the soviet union. end to the president for westminster college in as a post script and then the police so churchill was there and that is part of the plan and then for the

cold war. >> host:, a time did he spend thraw his career? >> guest: oddly enough from 1921 through 39 but shorter 145 through 51 and the rest this is a means a your party is not in power and you were not holding one of the leading positions of your party if your party wins. >> host: in your book you print the speech i have now

stated the two great dangers that menace the homes of the people, war and tyranny but. >> guest: churchill had dade different view of politics. but one marvels at how often assistant he thought with those political categories. then there are six pdf forms of government categorized by how many people rule. is a rule that to aristotle

book five chapter 11 go read that today. he describes what a tyrant has to do to remain in power . in the previous chapter he repeats the story that the young tyrant sends a messenger but he starts to lop off the heads event so churchill thinks in the plus

of patella to arianism. is different from scale or intensity. church again lot of mixed blood negative explanation to makes so harsh 10 or of natives and new tools for both and we can't take henty fear that and he saw that early in his career. he made his first and your

viewers and then from the top, put the to put this

there ought to get you. you can never turn your back. bet that darkness and eunice a protagonist but they

explained that in the answer is not torture. the short explanation is they had all done this to other people. so it takes over the tyrant is caught in it to. the london the utopian help. >> host: but here you have the triangulation of margaret thatcher all done by the obama? >> one is not.

one is done by this senior sculptor. so the photograph on douglas if he gave his card. >> is that the profile picture? >> he looks like a million dollars he is very striking very beautiful photograph. but on the original print i hunted down the man who owned that bet i could not get him to sell that to be. i doubled his money but it was moral obligation that we

died fighting for the union nervy in the civil war. don't you think that photograph belongs here? [laughter] and a photographer they are all heavily admire your have a connection. we have washington and jefferson if. in the front door the civil war people so our soldiers statue done in the front is an honor of the civil war.

so those three in the back are statesman of a free government with the oldest building but attend the lieutenant governor. so we are proud of all of that. to think it is a great ca's and the greatest political development in history.

>> if you are not familiar what is the uniqueness of hillsdale. >> guest: we don't h. any money from the government including student loan. >> none of that. has a was reverie college through most of history through 1844 that is good because higher learning is to be done by those who really want to study there is lots of learning that is noble but the highest type is a sacrifice and you have to want to make that. will college helped to found the party with a big part in

the civil war there zero raise or rallies and the constitution have a huge history department which is the largest apartment in the college rainout. and it is interested in the christian faith to which it is interesting because it has always believed in religious freedom and the founding articles of the college so we never had a faith statement that on the other hand, nearly everybody is a serious question we have an honor code that we demand respect from everyone you can argue with them but christianity and then entrusted in character and

that to which thought person lives and finally the subject matter of the college the things for which we live our lives avocado classical and medieval and some modern literature as those that are good simply for their own sake and nothing you can add to them to make a better event it is the sole active in accordance with virtue and the kid glove did they read the first book before they come here for their freshman

year. that is required. and then in the natural sciences. so that makes us a college unique. so half of the curriculum is the same for every kid summer playing in the nfl summer clerking at the end supreme court in a steady all the same stuff so when they get together there are three pairs of friends they can talk about it. >> host: when you became president will was going on at the college class bill

make it was the same just like it is now just not as good a. [laughter] but there was trouble but what happened "churchill's trial" president was here 20 years his marriage had broken up in his son and daughter-in-law were living with him and she tucks her life that left a note that said they were having an affair. that was not good so he retired and denied i personally do not believe that he did. of course, the college of

judgment was he could not continue. habib said that was sad for george and his family and a woman who took her life but if it had not happened that way i doubt it would have approached me i know that i would not to approach them because i refused them. why would you want to be a college president? was at the claremont institute which i helped to found in people are interested in the things i am talking about. so i helped to build that place working for those friends of mine i didn't have the unruly kids to deal with. why would i want to lead

that? especially because i say to the chairman of the board most offends our faculty members. the really think so? so what made me change my mind is that it was pure chance they want you to do the job they said to me in favor a tumor be. i ask for those articles of incorporation in of bible i said i will not do that. i said humor me. so they called they sounded puzzled.

in is an unexceptional and then written in the 1840's. and i remember i was in my study in claremont where it is warm but then i went to the back and i had been here one speck had kind of forgotten. to say you have a big part in the civil war. why don't i know that?

so icy negative n/a see it is beautiful and i think to myself maybe that will solve the problem. and then to be in charge of anything but to say that the bolsheviks could not succeed in this essay. in much he's says in the paragraph that turning us into the insect. but that is more intractable to be entirely e

unpredictable. with the safeguard of the glory of mankind. >> if you can read that that, isn't that how you would like to be governed? so i thought this is not about me. if you don't find that beautiful watery doing? so we do that for, but with the monday morning meeting friends of mine so afraid to

hours treetop about everything that is wrong. and be tried to keep its trade. to play those business risks but it is what they just showed up so they're all really happy right now. into viet to a tent. [inaudible] but the revenue side but i could not do with it for

juniors. >> host: to ever wish she too thin heritage condition offered? >> guest: i wasn't offered the job better like killed lot. i am on board their. but the right chinese but to be awesome added and fun to watch and those things that i could never do. i am very fond of this but one first of all, if your viewers want to be a college president there are thousands of them. and they're always looking. and i urge you not to do that unless you really love

young people. to teach that actual is superior to potential god for example, has no potency at all. because that means they could change your get better and that would be imperfection. so if it is true with that abraham lincoln in his time is a superior human being to anybody. but against that the massive flight of growth some of my

students are grownups now. some of them are often people that they're beginning to tell me what to do. [laughter] >> if you were to write the state of the conservative movement what would you write? it is divided in a way to be cured the division is to focus more here in america but the appeal to the law of nature and to the self-evident truth of human equality.

>> host: president of hillsdale college in michigan wednesday and churchill and the salvation of free government. booktv on c-span2.

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