away some of the jobs we have assigned police and we had to stop criminalizing poverty and mental illness and all the things that turn into these structural problems. if we are going to have police long-term then it needs to be minimized role and it needs to be community policing itself to every extent possible. >> i think we are just about out of time. yes? >> she's like hell yes. >> thank you for all that's participating in this conversation, trying to "policing: the force of the future". thank you to our panelists. thanks to all of you in the audience. good afternoon. [applause]. [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> here's what the head. coming up next, a program on the dakota pipeline access issue going on in north dakota. then, the family research council hosts an event on teaching history of western civilization. later, discussion on consumer credit. be sure to join us tonight for a look at how the trump administration might approach issues surrounding biomedical innovation and drug pricing. here's a preview. >> of the market went up right after the election, within hours of the election, first a dropped and then went right back up and a number of analysts in particular pointed out that this is the time to invest in the

biopharmaceutical industry and i think they made that recommendation based on what and he was talking about, but i also think another issue and that is the issue of the assault on drug pricing that has been taking place and was one of the cornerstones of secretary clinton's campaign and that assault on drug pricing could have had a continuing downside impact on the industry and i think the expectation now that secretary clinton is not in the white house is that at least to some extent some of the pressure that places all of this emphasis on the price of drugs instead of talking about the value of drugs is going to settle down a bit. >> and that's a brief portion of

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>> genius is not putting a 2-dollar idea in a $20 seconds. it's putting a 20-dollar idea in a $2. without any loss of meaning. >> just after 10:00 p.m., add an exclusive ceremony in the white house president obama will resent the medal of freedom, our nation's highest civilian award to nba star michael jordan, senior bruce springsteen and bill and melinda gates. watch on c-span and c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio at. >> now onto a discussion on ongoing protest of the this code access pipeline project in north dakota. activists who worked on site at multiple protest camps talked about the challenges of keeping a continuous protest operation going well in native american activist talked about some of

the history influencing some of the tribes and some of the other organizations involved. the institute for policy studies in washington is the host of this event about an hour and 20 minutes long. >> i would like to ask everyone first the usual question, please sounds your cell phones. we are going to be recording today's presentation, so we don't need rings going on. we wanted to have an opportunity for friends of ips to have a series of discussions following the election. this is one of many discussions and particularly on this question of the new kind of centers of activism and resistance that has emerged since the election.

even before this election, standing rock had emerged as a kind of moral core of resistance in all of our movements, on the progressive movements. resistance to the militarization , resistance to the military attacks, attacks on native rights, attacks on water, the environment, attacks on the planets and in that context the economic gains of major corporations were put forward as not surprisingly far more important than those native rights, the environmental protections, protections of the water, protections of the earth. what we are talking about in north dakota, that a code access pipeline of a 1200-mile pipeline that will provide some say jobs and health economy, but in doing so puts a greater risk, the people, the land, the water, the

history, the culture. there is a remark from the tribal chairman of the standing rock sioux, david archibald who said this demolition is devastating. of these grounds are the resting place of our ancestors took of the ancient stone prayer rings cannot be replaced in one day, our sacred land has been turned into hollowed ground. the equipment we might think would be building a pipeline under arlington cemetery and across the potomac and say it provides jobs as if that were one true. it's also an example of the classic consequences of white privilege in this country, white supremacy in this country. if we compared to the treatment of the occupation by the militant bundy family a year or two ago when they occupied

federal land and were treated with an extraordinary cautious hands off, careful position. no one from the federal government wanted to move into quickly or risk injuries and appropriate approach if it were something that were applied across the board. instead, what we have seen is an incredible militarized response, police, shares from across the region, national guard as well as local, private security guards under the control of the oil companies, the pipeline companies with a major escalation a sunday nights that left over a hundred people injured, some seriously. the use of tear gas, rubber bullets, sound cannons and in the visual reminiscence of the civil rights movement and how it was attacked the use of dogs and fire hoses. in this case it was fire hoses

used in 26-degree temperature, so many of the people hospitalized after being attacked with fire hoses were hospitalized because of hypothermia, because it was so cold and being sprayed with freezing water aside from the physical injuries that firehose attacks can lead to, they were sent to the hospital with new illnesses. there's also this whole question of the economic primacy that is at the root of the standing rock pipeline. this is a $3.8 billion pipeline project and the claim is that the land would otherwise be considered worthless because it's not generating large profits for any known corporation. that does not take into account the people who live on the land, the people who rely on the water there's no way to quantify the economic value of the culture of

the anson cert-- ancestors graves that are there, the treaty rights also been violated with impunity. we could look for one model internationally because we see international responses to this set of attacks that has been going on for the last six or eight months. this is in palestine where the claim was made that this was a land without a people because the people who live there, the indigenous population were not tied to an economically useful forum, international western countries or corporations. what we now have a standing rock is over 300 tribes represented, north american tribes and some from around the world. there have been protest, 350 protests just last week on one day across the united states took in washington, the protests brought together about 3500, maybe 4000 people and by the end when it walked into the white

house people from all kinds of movements, but also young people who had never been in a protest before but were moved by the question of standing with standing rock. president obama who famously said no to the keystone xl pipeline, which, of course. is now at risk again has not yet said no to the dakota pipeline and the army corps of engineers is still considering this. this is the largest native gathering and native led protest since wounded knee. we are going to have three speakers-- the microphones are for recording. we are going to have three speakers with us today, but we are going to start first with a short video that is less than five minutes long called: rise

with standing rock. this is put together by the journalist laura flanders on her show and this is from about a week ago in standing rock. we will begin with that. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> can we get the volume up? [inaudible] >> there is something huge happening that most people are trying to ignore. if our system is predicated upon continued violence and rape of the land, then there is no just future for us. >> this is a momentous day and

it's not the end of the movement it's just the beginning. >> this tribe is not the only tried-- [inaudible] >> we have had thousands for generations.

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making sure it never ends. our first speaker, we know that in standing rock, water vendors are native land, the protests are native land. there are also non-native allies that have traveled to standing rock and bringing back information about it. our first speaker today is juliana barnet who recently returned from a visit to

standing rock she focuses on community is a struggle, liberated zones that people carve out , saying their movements and work on letting the principles of justice and equality they want to see in the world. >> thanks phyllis and good afternoon. i wanted to start with a symbolic gesture that echoes something that phyllis just said about being an ally. i have here a navajo necklace that ben gave me a few years ago. and i am using it today to indicate and draw attention to the fact that we who are progressed people, who are allies are, despite or even

because of our worldview, have ideas that are, we want to be allies. we want to be respectful and we want to honor the people. however, we are all conditioned to raise the system and we have been colonized as well as the entire continent has been colonized and so i'm using this necklace as a way of indicating that a decision needs to be made to notice that we need to pay attention when we are, well, for example in standing rock and in all movements that we need to be very very deliberately

decide not to act upon these colonized thoughts and to be respectful and never to pretend or to try to speak for, as i don't anybody standing rock, whether native or not . and here, i have something here for the safekeeping of my brothers gabriel. and i want to show you as my own experience as a person who visited and participated in chicago in which is the large encampment of several that exist at standing rock so you see the first slide. this is just the view that you see as you come by.

it's very large. these are all the photos that i took. and let's just go on and when you come in, you are greeted by security. this is security at standing rock. i contract that with the militarized police and all the equipment and so whoever happens to be there at the security team asks you what you are doing, where you are going and in my case, he directed me to the media hill or facebook hill as it's sometimes called which is one of the places you can get good reception and so behind their you can see the tent, most of the public spaces, the indoor spaces were large army style tents but the

angle here allows us to see the dakota solar company is taking charge of creating energy and this is absolutely critical. this is not a place, this large encampment just out in front of the missouri river on highway 1806, it has telephone or electricity or running water.so the media, generates the media team generates electricity with wind power. or solar power. and i got there a press pass so many very well considered guidelines about what's taking and what's not and

especially i was told not to take pictures of ceremonies. when you see aceremony, there's been a special arrangement made because , i was told that the people took pictures, missionaries particular took pictures of native ceremonies and used them as proof that they were doing bad things and have these ceremoniesactually declared illegal. they were illegal until 1978 . so i did get permission to take a picture of this fire . i mean, of decide about the sacred woodpile. there is a bench would fire in the middle of the camp pretty much all day. the fire is tended and there are prayers, songs, continually happening. and announcements in the

early morning when i was there several times, actions were called for and they would from that place, from the fire with the microphones wouldcall the entire camp . to come and gather. and often there would be a water ceremony down the river prior to the action. all actions are very much bound up with prayer and with ceremony. and many times it was said that this is done with a prayerful stance, that because of defending the sacred lands in the water and the whole camp was, there was very much that egos that this is both, all of the mundane thingshappening , that there was kind of a sacred egos

over it. okay. all of those, all the times bringing their flags and there is a very impressive áis he down the middle of the camp raised on high and since it's always windy there, there's this large expense, the flags are always blowing. so that's the main avenue and then often on the camps of the various tribes, they also display. everybody is expected to work although this is not something you are entrusted to do, to go to work and somebody in the video is saying that you share your gifts and you share your time.

and that is really how people measure their day.many people said to me, the people get confused as i do what day is it, what time is it because it has to do with the activity you are doing and who you are with. i went on my own and not part of the delegation. even though i did know people there, i went and i kind of mingle in. i was not even, i hadn't even pitched my tent when i was called by a woman, an indigenous woman from peru who was taking on a project. it was a pretty deliberate truckload of corn. and this happens all the time, people come in with this large donation, large and small donations all the time so as her project, she had to process the corn with that so she had all these people in the middle of this just open space hosking corn

and so i participated in that and they would they be hung up to dry and they would be ground for the winter. this is one of the few pictures that have people in it. because you have to ask permission before taking pictures of people and then i helped this family, this is an extended family, they put up a way long and so i was just walking by and some would need a little bit of help to hold the pole so i love spending a lot of time with them and befriending, especially the elder who is right next to me and so we worked on the wigwam and in full disclosure, it didn't really work out so well then but then this woman's mother

who is the real wigwam expert came in the next day and she really saved the wigwam work. there are all through the camp children, dogs, horses , it's a very active place. when we see the pictures of, that are very real and very true of all the violence that's happening, it's good to remember that in the background behind, because it's not very far away, is the place where the pipeline is going so it's about a mile and a half up the road. but we have all of this activity that's happening is creative and domestic activity, community building activity and this young woman adopted this course which was wounded and anyway, i have her picture here.

she also had a project. she just had the idea that there needs to be some forward thinking about the animals and caring of the animals inthe camp. although i must say , it was very clean. there wasn't a lot of dog poop, not as much is in my neighborhood. very little. and so you know that that's because people are really paying attention to their community but also, people are working. at various levels, they will come and volunteer like me with the corn hosking and there will be somebody who will take on a bigger project and then it goes up there. then we are thinking of how to carry out all aspect which requires much more decision-making in the team. media, medical and so anyway,

yes. this is about the, there's recycling and also, there's a very fine spiffy, this is the local portable toilet company and they were very good about coming every day in the wii hours and this was part of the very, what is the nitty-gritty of creating this community? and here, this is a camp meeting, every day anyone he who was part of the camp came and a visitor would come and participate in these meetings, they were led, all

native land. anybody who wanted they went around the circle and everybody said what they came to say. until nobody had any more to say. believe it or not, the meetings were not all that long and things really did get done. this is the medic tent. there's a very dedicated team of people and actually the woman who will be calling in is part of the healing team. and they with donations, these are trained people who provide free healthcare as needed. this is, it says we are still here. this is the camp that was set up in front of the pipeline. and so this is the camp that was rated, i stayed there on the last night of its existence. and that was, you know, it

had been very quickly built. but it's just a symbol of you know, people saw the pipeline was coming anyway so they put themselves in front of the pipeline. okay. the repression was, well, we've seen that. we also have kind of behind-the-scenes intimidation. one of the things is this emergency alert is extreme. you know how sometimes you get this flood warning, flash floods, this was a very annoying and incessant thing that says extreme severity, urgent, take action immediately. protests or highways, they are closing protests. this was put on the phone even when that was not

happening. and this is the art building, people making silkscreen signs to, for the banners that people carried, beautiful signs. and this, also i leave this for the final remarks. this is who is going to be speaking from us from standing rock, she's a healer. so that is all, so that's the tour. [applause] >> thanks julie. our second speaker is jay winter nightwolf who i've known for many years here in washington. his full name is jake gotha while he got sunlight. which is in three separate languages, he represents, comes from the cherokee and shoshone tribe .

he's a registered member of the cherokee nation of alabama but raised by his parents in washington. j is the originator and host on wps w, the american indian truth, knight wolf, the most dangerous show on radio. so jay will be giving us more background as part of the discussion. >> thank you phyllis and thank you for inviting me today. the truth of all of this is that what my brothers and sisters are doing is actually standing for all of humanity. at issue is not about whether you're an indian or european. or an asian or black person. it's about what are we going to do to survive on this planet? if water is not available, we

all die. death has no color. we are standing up to protect our grandmother, the earth. and the blood that she gives us which is the water that we drink and live on. corporations are the biggest culprits in all of this. the only thing they care about is their bottom line. and i say to those that are the heads of these corporations, when there is no water to drink, what the hell will you do? how will you survive?

do you have an exit plan to go somewhere else in the universe? to explore it and leave behind a dead planet? where'd you go? this is what you are creating. and it's all about what the europeans brought here to america 500 years ago. they brought diseases, they brought greed. they brought america and the only thing they have left behind anywhere they've gone is death and destruction. as corporations part of the american culture, do you continue to do this? or do you have anything within you that tells you that what youare doing is wrong ?

i'm a grandfather. i'm also a great-grandfather. and i love my grandchildren. but what will we have two leave our grandchildren, our next seven generations to follow if we don't make a change? the land, through spirits and force. because that's a very integral part of how we get things done. what do we leave behind? are any of you concerned? i know all of you sitting here either have grandchildren, children, am i right?

do you care about what the children are going to have to face when we leave here? do we leave the situation better or worse? that's what being an indian is about. it's about leaving something better for those that come behind us. so where do we go from here? the army corps of engineers had a press release a little over a week ago where they want to stop everything. why do they want to stop everything? they realize they broke the law. because whenever you go on indian land and you want to build anything or bring about something new , you must have the tribe, and sit at the table. they didn't do that. so they broke the law, they are guilty.

now that we've got this new president elect, what do we tell him? is he listening to any of us? i don't think so. anti-immigrant. this country is built on immigrants,people that came from all over the world . but he's bent on sending people back to south texas. i've got news for you, mister trump. these people are not illegal aliens. before the european came to the americans, there were no borders. borders were set in place two separate human control of the economy. the ones that you call latinos, there's no such thing as a latino. that's a language from the roman catholic church,

there's no country called latin. there's no such thing as a hispanic. that's a name put on those people south of texas. just like the british and the dutch and the french put on us in north america. they are spanish speaking american indians. they are us and we are them. we get so caught up into these self-made descriptions of people that we fail to see the humanity in all of us. every color, and there's only four colors to humanity, the red, black, white and yellow. at some point there's been a slave in the americas. don't believe me, go back to the irish history. help-wanted, irish need not apply.

so what do we do? doctor king was right when he said either we learn to live together as brothers and as sisters or we perish as fools, together. the lessons have been taught. we lived through these centuries. it's time to get it right, people. because we don't have a lot of time left area and if we don't, we don't stand up, like my brothers and distress sisters are standing up at standing rock for humanity, then we are all out of here. with us, it's always been about spirit . when we dance, we are praying. when we sing, we are praying read our ceremonies are sacred to us.

and we've never excluded anyone from our ceremonies. there are those that chose to put themselves on their self-made pistols that think they are better than somebody else. they are the supreme culprits of all of us this that's going on in america now. i can tell you much more. we don't have time. this is a warning to you. all of my brothers and sisters, the red, black, white and yellow. their time is running short. use some common sense for a change. the old people used to call it moxie. use some common sense, dammit. and get it right. thank you for your time. [applause] >> thank you jay.

were going to bring in somebody by phone from standing rock but first we're going to have one more again, very short video this one is from standing rock on sunday night . we saw sort of the images of the camp. this is showing how the camp and the protests and the protection of the water are being responded to by the police agencies. [native american chanting] >>. [native american chanting]

>>. [native american chanting] we are unarmed people. [inaudible]

>>. [shouting] [inaudible] >> we are still fighting. we are still here. we are shaking, we are wet. we are in pain but we are still here. >>. [native american chanting]

>> well, that was last week and sunday night. several people who were injured sunday are still in hospital. i think we have with us now ... [inaudible] we have with us on the phone or we will in a minute lally d who is at standing rock. she's a holistic healer specializing in trauma recovery. she's been at standing rock since this past august and she's helping to coordinate the mental health responses at standing rock. we are just trying to figure out the technology here. here. lally?

>> yes. >> okay, this is phyllis bennis, we have a room full of people and c-span here. could you tell us, and we have just a few minutes, could you tell us a little bit about what you are doing at standing rock and what you are seeing and what you think we need to know hear from allies outside of standing rock? >> sure. they've been here since august, i've had a few different roles since i've been here but the past week i've been working on coordinating the mental health response and basically, i've seen the way the situation has changed and the intensity and and flowed. a lot of different roles that people can take here, the one that gets the most news is direct action. sunday night we had a very intense interaction with the police but basically we are here all for the same reason, because of the water and its

sacred to change the way that we as humans are related to the earth and our natural resources and to create a new kind of community to empower the indigenous people who want the ancient wisdom they carry and we would like this to start happening all over the world. >> we know there have been people from several hundred tribes, native people and this is a native land process that's underway at standing rock. could you talk also about global connections that you mentioned? >> right, so there actually are people who have come here from all over the world because they have taught where they are. so you will have people who come here who had stood up against oil companies in the amazon . we've had peoplefrom new zealand . we've had people from hawaii who have set up for protecting the sacred mountain there so this is

really a movement that has been happening for a long time in standing rock and north dakota has become the voice and catalyst for the awareness of this movement around the world. >> much of what we've seen in the united states and somewhat internationally is the sense that standing rock has become a kind of moral core of a lot of movements that are on the rise now, the environmental movement, the antiracist movement, all of these areas of movements are convening around support, standing up for standing rock. could you talk about how people there, how you see that symbolism of it standing rock that's the centerpiece of these broader movements? >> basically a hallmark of this movement is acknowledging the disrespect, racism, discrimination and oppression of the native people of this land and i think by empowering and honoring the people who have been most oppressed in the

country for a long time, we are bringing to light the way they have disrespected all kinds of people, lgbt q people and basically this need for all of us to come together and live the respect and honoring one another in a nonviolent way. >> thank you very much lally. is there anything you'd like to tell us that you think a very broad audience across this country should know? >> yes, i think honestly the best thing everyone can do to support us is go into your local community and start bringing the story of standing rock back. the important things we are seeing here are people are taking care of one another, people sending all these donations, almost too much than we can handle here. going to their community and reach out to those in need and reach out across different boundaries, across

class and across race, all these nations we created that divide us and in the name of standing rock, connect from the heart and also on her prayers, that's been integral to this movement is understanding that even from every tradition, we can come together and honor his great spirit, whatever name that you call it and also this beautiful planet that we live on and all the resources related to us that help us survive and thrive and if everyone speaks out into their own life and looks at the way they relate to the environment and the spiritual aspect of our world, that we can find peace around the planet.>> thank you very much, we will send that message out. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. [applause] thank you all for listening, we're going to open it up for questions and discussions now.

for jay and for julie. do you have questions in the audience? >> i've heard from some of the activists there that they are really wanting or wanting president obama to take a stand, to stand up and say no and are there any thoughts or feelings about his absence and what role he can or shouldn't play in this? >> certainly i feel that president obama could do more. but as so many of us that our realists know, the day he stepped into office, they had handcuffs waiting for him.

and there's been a lot of efforts that he stood for to make things better for humanity but every time he does, somebody cut his hands off.i know he's only got but a few days left but at least maybe a presidential executive order to stop this. right now. we don't know what's going to happen when this new president gets in but at least stop it right now and show the world that he's on the right sideof history . when it comes to protecting the grandmother of the earth, the native american rights and protecting humanity. what bothers me about our government is that they've lost their concern and desire

to make things better for humanity. where has that gone? and what can we do to bring that back? we're still here. there were 112 million of us. we are here since they first put their feet into our homelands and by the 1930s, there was less than 1 million of us. but we are still here. that's a testament to what the great spirit brought into existence. when the great spirit made this world and those that he placed upon this world to inhabit the earth. we're still here. >> you want to answer to that julie?

you can go on to the next. >> we are also getting lallyd back on the phone . so high, the question we just had from the audience was having to do with the requests be made to president obama. while you are there in standing rock, can you tell us what people are saying they want the president to do during his final days in office? >> we want him to stop the dakota access pipeline. >> and say more about the campaign that's underweight to ask him to do that. lally, are you still there? >> can you hear me? >> can you talk a little bit about the campaign that's under way to ask president obama to end the pipeline? >> i'm not sure exactly what

the formal campaign is but our tribal leaders are just asking him to step in and end the pipeline , at the very least and the tactics the police are using against us here because it's breaking a lot of lives and if he can ask the departmentof justice to keep the county police in check and not treat us like we are in a war when we are on our , that would be effective for our safety but i don't care about the formal way. we are asking him to stop the pipeline, to end it, to veto the xl pipeline and do that. >> there's a call actually out in the lobby, you can pick up the speaker with numbers to call, it's the authorities in north dakota to stop the militarized action against these unarmed people.there's also a petition underway being

circulated by the nation on their websites calling on president obama to end the pipeline. another question. >> maybe julie, you could this but one of the things i was reading recently was just sort of making sure that as a non-native ally we are supporting in a way that makes sense so i was wondering if you, what a native person could do from here that would make a difference and maybe lally, you could also share that, just being respectful but also sort of having that impact now. what i understood was going out to the camps is less useful than donating so i wanted to see if that was still true. >> lally, were you able to hear that question? >> i agree that at this point, we really need action coming from all sides and all places so, it's really intense and challenging here to be on the ground and also

we have limited resources, just to provide to people so i think bringing awareness, putting pressure on government officials, i think from the banks that are funding this, basically just changing it in a systemic way from the top down is the most effective thing you can do and also donating with your shelter that's imperative. >> to follow up on what lally was saying in her earlier remarks, the more that connections can be made between local organizing and the standing rock message and as both the moral core and the impulse, because there's a very strong sense that is radiating out and people, it's like it takes organizing, it takes thought to take that and translated

into local action. also, maintaining, being informed and separating out whatever news may or may not be accurate so that requires some research and for groups, to keep the knowledge growing . >> i'd like to ask all three of you i guess a question about the intersection of so many of our movements, so many issues that are coming together symbolically at standing rock. we have the questions of environmental justice and environmental protection, protection of water and the land. the question of native rights and the whole question of white supremacy and the history of genocide against native people. and how that fits with other antiracist movements. we have the question of how

the mobilization has brought together people from other tribes also around the world. the question of international law is at the root of this in terms of treaty violations so could each of you talk a little bit about how those combinations of issues come together at standing rock? >> lally, j, go ahead first. >> treaties are supposed to be the supreme law of the land. there's been over 600+ treaties between the american indian people and this government. that every one of those treaties have been abdicated. we have tried, tried, we have sat and talked and tried to reason with these people. however, they refused to be

human in what they do. it's a hard road. the question of genocidal practices against native americanpeople , everybody can see that. i think the question is, where does your humanity fit into all of this? when you've got people from all over the world looking at this and weighing in, where does it stop? we've come to the table many times to no avail. so what's next? now i'm going to pass it on to phyllis, not phyllis but julie and then i want my sister lally to comment on it. >> i'd like to focus on how

the intersection takes place in a concrete, on the ground community. >> all these people come together and deal with all these issues but focusing on basic needs of every single person and the

earth and the planet, the water and the land. so there is something that is extremely integrated air. >> do you want to weigh in on this too? >> what brought many of us here and are uniting people across so many backgrounds as for the water and for honoring our relation the way we relate to one another from different cultures with our lands. really, realizing we have to come to more harmony within ourselves and for one another as humans which will translate into care for our planet and thus was so beautiful about being here that the international part and

spirit is that we are focusing on not what's bringing us all together regardless of any differences which is the water. >> thanks for that. >> you reminded us that hispanics and latinos is a false name for what really are indigenous people and i think an intersection that's going to be brought home to us in washington is the rights and dignity of people who are living here who were called undocumented who are called alien. we i think have to reject it division among people and have that as a basis of our

resistance and are non-native offering of sanctuary as much as we are able to do this. i do think these stands are related. he. >> absolutely. >> you know for many years in 1492 right here and what we call the potomac river, people from as far south as the tip of south america and far north as alaska came here two to three times a year to trade. that's recorded history but it wasn't until the european invader came that things got totally desperate-separated.

and i think if people were to, like my grandfather used to always say, when you talk to me look in my eyes because when you look in my eyes the eyes are the path that lead to the heart. you know who i am and if we continue to not talk to each other instead of talking at each other, and if we continue to look away from each other instead of looking at each other's hearts it's only going to get worse. and with this administration coming in now, they are talking about sending bees at an -- mexicans back to -- i don't know how we could be to even think

like that. these are like the north american indians, the original inhabitants of the western hemisphere. long before the europeans came here we had real democracy and the american confederacy have the great law of peace. 20 miles east of the st. louis missouri is a place that was a holy place, that was our seat of government. where every year people from all of the tribes would go there to sit in counsel with each other, to bring about laws and how to treat each other and they were good laws. but for some reason when we were invaded all of that went awry.

so i think we need to go back and look at history as human beings and we will find the answers they are. nobody tried to cover those answers up. nobody tried to burn those answers down. they are still there. put the human package and humanity and a lot of things will change and as far as what's happening with the police action in north dakota, the president could send the u.s. marshals out there and stop that right away. >> of another model of the parallel to get federal marshals to control the actions of local police. did you want to weigh in on this one as well? >> sure. can you give me a summary of the question again? >> well i think the question of

how undocumented people are being looked at now as a new target and their role historically in this land. >> yes, i was actually born in columbia and i grew up in this country. >> we are losing you again. i'm afraid we have lost lolly. there you are, you are back. >> i think a journey of my own identity development understanding what i identified to as latina and when we understand our history in that context it really does unite the north and south american native people in a way that i think a lot of us have forgotten for a long time so i think also we have people here from south

america and central america who have taken stands against the same kind of invasion, to genocide and oppression so i think connecting us to this land itself is really empowering and ask everyone else who has come into this country and emigrated to these lands in a different way so i'm really grateful for that awareness and i hope people who have immigrated to this land are in a way indigenous. >> thank you for that. we have another question. >> i would like to know what impact has the resistance made on the killers of the land? >> the question was what impact has the resistance made on those who are killing the land and destroying the water.

lally do you want to go first and then we'll open it up for julia and jay. >> well, it's how it is has impacted those people. personally i have heard of 27 police officers who have turned their badges then and there's also our volunteers but i'm really not sure. the day of the. i wasn't around and i try to look into the eyes of the police officers standing in front of them and i would say about three out of 75 of those mostly men were able to look me in the eyes and see me as a human being. what i saw the other night on sunday night was that they were not seeing us as people anymore. so i'm not sure what the workers think of us. i know there has been an extremely racist and derogatory

statements about our her people. i would love to hear from them how they have been impacted by our stance. >> well, and indirect but very clear way to see the impact is as the resistance or reaction to the resistance grows, this shows that they are feeling more and more threatened. this is not the impact that we would want. we would want a softening if not a heartening but it is certainly a way of seeing that the actions are being noticed and it is often a confounding. actually when i was there i saw that sometimes it seemed like sometimes there was a huge reaction and sometimes there was no reaction.

sometimes they sent a message when nothing was going on about extreme alert and so on. there is also confusion and lack of understanding and of strategy about what needs to be done. there is certainly -- at the level of a company and there's no impact as far as people's minds but as far as the notice being taken by authorities, that is certain. i just want to say very briefly with regard to the previous question that people in latin america say we don't cross the borders, the borders cross us. >> i do have something to say. the use of fossil fuels is coming to an end very quickly.

this fight line if they are wanting to complete is to transport this natural gas to be sold to foreign countries. none of this is going to benefit us. they want to sell it to foreign countries. at the risk of destroying our people, destroying the people's culture, destroying their burial grounds, their sacred grounds. my question all of my white brothers and sisters, if indians

went to your communities and dug up your graves of your ancestors how would you feel? because we do have native americans that have archaeology. if we decide one day to say let's go to that cemetery over there, the white cemetery over there and dig your ancestors up and see if they really did have syphilis or what they died from that would be classified as sacrilegious. there is no difference in what they are doing to us that we could do to them that they are protected bylaws in place. where is the honor? where is the honor?

among human beings. and solar energy and wind energy , that's free but they would rather dig up and frack for oil and gas. have you ever heard of earthquakes on the level of five in oklahoma? where are all of these sinkholes coming from? you take, take, take and you do nothing to put anything back. we are in trouble. we are in trouble as human beings. we are in deep trouble. we need to rethink this whole thing. if they won't bring us to the

table maybe we need to go and bring them to the table and teach them something about common sense and reality because they have lost it, if they ever had it. >> i would just add that one of the things we have seen a shift and i can't speak at all to what the impact has been on people but at the institutional level among other things when there was several thousand people camped out outside the army corps of engineers headquarters in washington last week the head of the army corps came out and had to speak to this crowd who were silent, waiting for his answer and he had to say yes, we did not consult enough. we are doing that now. we are hearing this. change of that kind of discourse is never enough but it is a necessary first step so it may be that the level of protests, the breadth of this movement of those was the ending was

standing rock is beginning to have the impact whether ab on the president, whether it will be on the white house, on the department of energy, on big army corps of engineers somewhere along there there are institutional shifts being considered. >> we have just a few more minutes and i was going to ask each of our three panelists to leave us with their sense of what we should take away, but we should be thinking about going forward, what the next steps are for those who stand withstanding rock, those who stand to defend the water and the land. lolly, you have been very patient standing with us on your phone. perhaps you could give us your final words first. >> sure. i would like to share that this is only the beginning, the standing rock is a catalyst and it's inviting everyone to change

the way we relate to the earth and this is an awakening that we feel is happening and i look forward to seeing it all unfold and they invite all of you to be part of it so that you can tell your children and grandchildren that you stood up for the water and the earth. >> thank you. >> i would like to say that perhaps the most impactful thing about being at standing rock was to see, to really see up, to be part of and be welcomed into a different kind of community, a place that is really in the process of creating a piece of the new world now and it is something that, it's not like people have sat down and mapped it out although there is plenty of that as well, but it is

something that is generated in all of the interactions, the thinking and the feeling of respect and being together with this overarching purpose, and it is something that is extremely, well it's something that is much greater than all of the various pieces that make it up even though all of those pieces are essential and i think it tells us how much the day-to-day work in the trenches you might say, doing the cooking, doing the healing of people. all of this, obviously it's important in all societies but

it becomes part of this whole new, it's a way of sustaining the long-term movement so it can really you know make a place for everybody and that's something that i've really encourage people to think about as we create our movement. how do we create these areas, these zones where we can really make our lives different as we go along, creating, creating the path by walking. >> thank you. >> as we always look upon everyone else that is not a part of our tribe or tribal communities, we are all relatives and we are each

other's druthers and sisters keepers whether they like it or not or whether we like it or not it's time to be about being human again. and if we don't do it soon, it's going to be too late for all of us. i always close my radio show, i love you all, all of you, even those that make it almost impossible to love. i love you anyway. let's not talk about it, let's be about it, thank you. [applause] >> thank you all. ali was joining us on the phone from standing rock, a holistic

healer specializing in trauma recovery. juliana barnet recently returned from a visit to standing rock as an ally they are and jay winter nightwolf comes from us from wcw every week and a cherokee and shoshone tribal member. just to close us out today the institute for policy studies was very glad that we have this opportunity to begin a longer conversation about standing rock and about what it says for all of our movement as we build our movements together. ips stands withstanding rock. [applause]

hymn there's a huge civic mindedness in american history that is not compelled by the government.

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a serious historian and two archive all day everyday and i realized it just wasn't for me. >> genius is not putting a 2-dollar idea and a $20. it's putting it 20-dollar idea and it two-dollar -- up next historians and scholars discuss the importance of teaching western civilization in colleges and universities. speakers include peter wyatt

wood anthropost that has the association of scholars but from yesterday, this is about an hour and 20 minutes. it's hosted by the family research counsel here in washington. >> a beloved institution in american culture politics c-span. we are blessed to have them as a co-broadcaster here so with that said i wanted to say that we are here to consider an important educational topic that seems sort of appropriate after the mudslinging and the endless political campaign that focuses on things that seem somewhat micro, and this is very important and a larger waffle of what our institutions are. my name is chris gacek and as i was saying it's an opportunity

for us to step back and reflect on what we teach in schools about western civilization and the civilization that produced this great country and that lie at the core of our republican values that we care so deeply about. the united states is fair to say , the creation of united states was a world shaping event of such incredible magnitude that it's hard to even imagine all the effects that have had on positive and good. i would imagine a minority opinion at the university now but it actually is the truth. so, with that said it's also true with a few exceptions very little about our virtual civilization is taught at any level of our schooling whether it's primary or secondary school were colleges and universities and that is a problem that our panelists will discuss here today. let me introduce them.

they are each individuals who are dedicated to promulgating ideas and teaching about western civilization and all of these men have doctorates in their field and are distinguished scholars at the college level and at the university level as well. rather than gove threw their full bios, they are on line at our web site which is www.frc.org. www.frc.org in the recent lectures section but let me go and briefly. our moderators today is a good friend of the family research counsel. we didn't event with him and dr. wood was here in 2011. his name is richard bishirjian and he's a gentle and closest to me. he studied government and

international relations and he will be our moderator on that panel. presently he is the president of the american academy of distance learning and dr. bishirjian is a passionate advocate for teaching western civilization and inc. locating these ideas in students and beyond. he has taught at universities and colleges all across america and so as i said a very distinguished scholar. next over the half.there stephen balch who has been the director of the institute for us civilization at texas tech since 2012. before that for 25 years he was the founding president and chairman of the national association of scholars and a great organization dedicated to these traditional principles of liberal arts education so he has a long history of doing this. this institute at texas tech is

probably one of the rare places of its kind in the united states. finally we have a very distinguished scholar at the end of the table dr. peter wyatt wood an anthropologist who holds tenure faculty position. dr. wood is served as provost of austin university. addition to a scholarly work is published hundreds of articles in publications like national review and the partisan review and all of them have made great contributions to the literature in their fields. with that, dr. bishirjian the floor is yours. thank you very much for coming. [applause] >> thank you. i invited my younger colleagues to come today because they know about the subject than i but all of us are concerned about whether or not the history of western civilization is being taught in our colleges today. few watch walter's world you'll

see there's an extraordinary amount of ignorance relating to the free market system and needless to say the west. in context the gentleman here published a long study of whether or not or how it's taught in our colleges today. on line and you will be able to read it but it is a striking evidence of the move away from the basics of american civilization and participation in the west and our premier colleges and universities. when i was an undergraduate years ago i had to take two semesters of required courses in western civilization. i bought a big textbook and i learned something about my civilization that i would never have known.

our seminar today is preceded by st. francis college in brooklyn held a conference in 2012 on what is the west's best and at st. vincent college and 2013 there was another one that participated in that but that's it except for us. not only are the seminars on western civilization vanishing but so is the discussion of that in our colleges and universities. the point here is our culture's deep and all then it goes back to ancient israel and greece and rome in the first stirrings of christianity. it is vital that we understand what's involved, truly the fact that at the center of our civilization is a religion, christianity that is critical to

the shaping of the west. there were only a few colleges and i have come up with a few colleges engage about doing something about the west. most of the usual stuff is on that list including stephen balch texas tech, viola wyoming catholic and others that this is a country of 3000 or more colleges which there may be 2976 where there is no course on western civilization. there is a book you can. however that we like to think is the one very good source of the history of the west and that is russell kirk's american order. russell kirk was a historian and the author of a groundbreaking book called the conservative mind. in his later years he focused on western civilization and this one look we discovered is a

really good one book one treatment of history of the west. so that is it that we taught a course called russell -- which he placed in cooperation with luke three.com. if you go to www.luke three.com you'll be able to access the course for free. it was developed by myself and christopher at colorado university and glenn had northrop university. each of us has taken a part of the history of the west that we know. christian conference dealing with from and i took on greece and christianity and glenn moods gives us an introduction to the reformation on the west. so with that said i would like to again encourage you to go to that course for free and i would like to introduce dr. balch for his remarks.

>> i want to thank everybody here. i want to thank the on line university and the council. truly an honor to have an opportunity to say something about this most urgent educational problem. oftentimes when you speak in defense of western civilization the comeback is that you are being asked in a centric. you are not being inclusive, you are not kind of taking and the whole global scene in which all of humanity is present. and i think that actually reflects profound understanding about western civilization and what it has become and the misunderstanding is this. to the extent that one can talk about there being a lowball civilization, about there being

something that embraces and brings together all of humankind, that something is western civilization which has gone long global. it's gone global because it is so powerful because it has brought such constructive and liberating change to the human condition. western civilization is as close as anything could possibly be to global civilization. there really today took the stage of the game for the same thing. of course western civilization's roots are in a very particular part of the world. in europe and the mediterranean and eventually in those places that were settled by europeans. soapy look at western civilization circa 1700 you would see something that was still relatively confined geographically but if you look at western civilization today, it is indeed very close to being

human civilization. if you want to know about the human condition and the human predicament at the human challenge western civilization in the study of western civilization is the place to go. and i may add to that that western civilization has developed this worldwide reach, this global inclusiveness because it is different in so many ways from the other traditional civilizations. western civilization has unique qualities, qualities that apart from what the long-standing norm has been in the affairs of mankind. most of those departures, not quite all of them but most of those that tortures are very sanitary. they brought -- brought great benefit to those that have been touched by them but they are novelists and what this means from the point of view of

education is that it's kind of a default setting for human beings. they involve things that have to be cherished. they involve things that we have to know about and understand. they involve things that openly come down to stewardship and if we don't educationally engage in that stewardship, if we don't impart to students with a special about western civilization and why certainly on balance it's been so beneficial that in fact we are not doing a roll or meeting our responsibilities as educators. sad to say by and large we are not doing those things nowadays. so we face the possibility that default position will return in a variety of ways and that would be a disaster if it happened. what is unique about western civilization? as i said initially it is as

close as one can come nowadays to global civilization. virtually all of the diluting aspects have been globalized and what are its leading aspects? well, i would say first of all individualism, the notion that the individual has a certain dignity, that the individual has rights and that individual enterprise, individual innovation, individual thought is ultimately what makes the civilization move and what makes creativity occur, what makes humankind advance. you can find aspects of individualism in all cultures but it has come to be in the west self-conscious as an ideal in many parts of the west and certainly a defining distinctive quality of so much of what has happened in the western world over the last 2500 years. republicanism, the notion that government is not the property

of the people who run it but rather is the word originally means in latin, a public thing, something that is responsible for the general public good and we have representative government that was a belief. and again that notion particularly when it is harnessed to the idea of representative of response about government is almost entirely distinctively western. christianity is the religion of the west and in fact before the term western civilization or western world was used, the term christendom was used to describe the very same thing. christianity, apart from theology, christianity has a kind of public character, a character that has allowed it to contribute to the flourishing of

the various characteristics of the west and i hope we will have a chance at least address some of that as we go through what is distinctive about the west. rationalism. everybody has reason. reason is something all human beings possess but thinking of reason as an intellectual tool to be disciplined, to produce systematic understandings of things, that is a characteristic western. you can find examples of it elsewhere but it's becoming institutionalized in great universities and the scientific project and in theology as well. christianity has a rational theology in a way that few other religions do. this is a western trait. first global civilization, i already mentioned that anything too and i hope we can focus a bit on the various ways in which

this does happen, western civilization is transformed the human condition in such a manner that is more desirable to be an ordinary individual in the western world today than in most respects it would have been to be a royal and western civilization several hundred years ago and anywhere else in the world. there is more to be had from life even for an ordinary person of course then there would have been in the past or the people at the very top. so here we can see if you up the transitions that western civilization is presided over. a tremendous increase in life expectancy, largely due to modern medicine, to public sanitation, to having predictable and abundant food supply. all of these things have markedly improved prospects for a living before scoring 10 was

traditionally the allotted time. >> that really wasn't for most people. these various lines of the graphs are not only western civilization but non-western parts of the world coming and they are like south korea and japan and india coming under the influence of the west. often we are told that influence was terribly exploited but look what it did for life expectancy. when up everywhere. george, ii in the middle of the 18th century, the first english king to reach the age of 70. that's pretty remarkable, especially for me. i have succeeded him. poor man, he was so making in the 18th century and i think he reach 74 but no one earlier than that had done so. this is course led to a great increase in world population but

an increase that is not made people poorer. when population went up usually there was a squeeze and -- talked about this in his great home in the early part of the century that we have broken through the malfusian gap and we can combine the increasing population with increasing well-being. here you see it. the population is the blue line, the red line is energy. by and large these are rates of growth. exceeding that of population in the green line is gdp, exceeding that of population for the earlier period. all those things pretty much track together and indeed if the product was growing and energy was growing it was because there were more people. they were supplying the energy but we have found other ways of creating more energy and more welfare in general.

and here we see very quickly how per-capita income has grown. these are angus madison's figures i believe. again you can see the increase particularly between 181900. so in the old days people would have thought the kind of life we had today was entirely at least here on earth come entirely a matter of -- and peter bruegel the famous painter pictured that kind of scene, a scene in which these folks live ... not clearly comes across that food drops into their mouth. you see they have a fork stuck in it. there are pies over on that side ready to pour on the play. you drive up to some fast food place and you get your pies and

the is already package for in the supermarket. to him that would have been fantasy but now we have it. this is all the incident connections in the world and you can see how western civilization in that sense has become world civilization. what are the institutions they came from the west and our world and cetaceans quack science and technology now promised around the world and implemented around the world. capitalism more free-market economics. for a while there was some question as to whether that was going to be the thing that since the end of the cold war pretty much everyone in principle has accepted its thriving commerce that need growth. constitutional government, even honored in the breach in those countries that don't have it so china is an oligarchical -- even

though it does have a pretense for being a constitutional government. the congress imports to china from the west. everybody gives lipservice to this and in fact many countries indeed have imbibed it fully and have a working constitutional government. western sports around the world, you would be hard pressed to think of many other games and sports that didn't originate in the western world. western popular culture whether his opera or rock comes out of the west and is now worldwide and also ideology some of which are suspect in their extreme forms are also western nationalism, markets, feminism libertarianism environmentalism. all of these things originated in the west and our reflections

of core western traits and spread throughout the world. individualism, looking at some of these things a little more closely. here's a comparative based on survey research, various countries comparative level than individualism. the darker they are the more individualistic and you see the concentration in europe and north america. monogamy, a western trait. very few other cultures are monogamous but the west has been not only creates a family of a very special and powerful type but it's also an aspect of the quality. one man has one woman. one woman has one man. you don't have polygamy which is a concentration of women for one very powerful man. that wasn't the western way and suggest individualism and equality of the west. this makes women more powerful

generally in the west and not just today but also famous monarchs now in the past. only one from the east that i can think of but china only had one and press but there've been plenty of women who have rained and today have rained and ruled. republicanism aging greece, ancient rome. republics and the city states of italy in the middle ages was reborn in the high middle ages. and eventually developed in the representative government within large kingdoms. there you see various examples of that. you know what that place is. also an adversarial system and our courts, the notion that if we of course but the idea that courts are adversarial in which

the defendant can make his case for her case and in which they can have legal representation. again the drawing which is the empirical but this is an important part of the sense of individual light -- rights and the rule of law. common law which sort of grew out of germanic law in europe and particularly the anglo-american tradition, again replete of any state guards or individual freedoms and many restraints on the power of this ethos of constitutionalism. in most places and times the richest people lived off taxation and of course it hasn't entirely disappeared in the something we do have to worry about. but the great anomaly is that the wealthiest people have gotten rich out of producing useful goods, not taking stuff

from others. the great endless conflict in western history too between makers. the ascendancy of makers is something that begins in early modern times and gather steam in the 19th century. it's astounding and anomalous and i would say a great and good thing and something characteristic of the west. there's the human freedom index and freedom and a whole lot of forms including economic freedom but you can see the concentration in the same places we stopped -- saw concentration with respect evangelism. we have to fight for freedom and for constitutional liberty. often that fighting was physical to this very day we have to fight for it and hopefully that fighting will take place in a constitutional and peaceful manner. we are represented systems but the price of liberty is internal vigilance as someone once said and that was true from the very

start. here we see a battle that took place in 1302 between the flemings and that militia essentially and the knights of the french king whom they defeated at the battle of the spurs. when the mites were defeated their spurs littered the battlefield and the weapon used by the hardee makers, the townsmen were a big plus and you will see them wielding their clubs and the modern picture of the same thing. you gather good morning and it hit the guy over the head. [laughter] here's a later instance, the parliamentary course in the english civil war and of course bunker hill. these were ordinary people,

people in farming and trade, fighting to protect their freedoms from a passive state, the takers. philosophy. as i said russia was in a distinctive brand of thought problem-solving. the famous raphael painting the school of athens. there were philosophers and other parts of the world. some of the famous muslim philosophers. it didn't take though in the muslim world. at first for a while as tradition than it died out and partly die down and this is conjectural because the muslim tradition is that god controls everything and if god controls everything than you sort of just kind of take it in a fatalistic way totally on faith. gone is lawgiver in the

judeo-christian notion of free will. open the door for charting one's own course and these are particularly emphatic within the judeo-christian tradition. and so there was some muslim science, very great scientists in the early middle ages. in europe you achieve the synthesis of religion and science, religion and philosophy partly due to the great work of thomas aquinas that they were many. william of ockham and early forebear of analytic philosophy is back in the middle ages. that is a sketch from life of ockham in the right hand corner. here is the royal society.

nothing by authority and nothing by word, kind of look at everything and explore and experiment. so we also get the notion of progress that is characteristically with western. we don't see pictures of progress quite so much anymore so again individualism monogamy higher status for roman republicanism adversarial justice makers more powerful formalization of reason. people say there have been some bad things, slavery but slavery is a universal institution and as is the west that abolished it. we did have a somewhat pernicious form of commercial i slavery is true but a lot of people collaborated in doing that, not just with westerns. imperialism is the soul for the hills. as the ottoman empire in europe so the west did that too but that's not unique and again the west has turned against it. racism, while the oldest racism

i know of is the indian system which is well and alive and more racist by far. not anything against the indians have in him but -- enlightened government. how suspicious are you of strangers and again the darker colors are the places that are the least suspicious. the united states canada and most of the west does pretty well. genocide, again old as the hills now a few of the things that aren't so great, we do have a proclivity to utopian thinking about this kind of restless and gone haywire so if i want to paint with a broadbrush. there is a dark side. totalitarianism, kind of a western invention but if i were