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and you can watch all press after words programs in our website at booktv.org. c-span where history unfolds daily. in 1979 c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and brought to you today by cable or satellite provider. >> and after words is next on book tv. this week virginia representative dave brat remembers victory over house majority leader eric canter, interviewed by former republican mission chair ed gillespie. >> thanks for showing it to the cameras. [laughter] >> i've written a book myself. >> very nice. >> i'm eager to talk about this because i enjoy the read.

you can tell i have -- >> things marked here. as you know, i worked in the house of representatives as a staffer to a former economic professor, free economics professor who had impact on the house and providing intellectual underpinning for a lot and we talked about this and here you are former free market economics professor. i guess still a professor but now in the u.s. house of representatives. >> i follow his work. they have been role models for me and you can put together, you can put free market economics and your values into your politics. >> well, and that's what i was so fascinating about in your book because the book is a as you talk about this faith and ethics and economics, public service, and the fact is as a

lot of people came to know you in your surprise victory, a house majority leader, you were the only person in the history of u.s. house to beat a house majority leader and as you note in the book, a lot of people came to hear about dave brat and one of the things about your book it really tells you who dave brat is and i'm just wondering if you could talk a little bit about this overview and we will go into details about how there's this synthesis. >> that's why i wrote the book. i wish everything was a synthesis these days, whatever, all tin centives are highly specialized. all the previous scholarship for

the last 3,000 whatever hundred years it was all about synthesis, all the greatest thinkers, judo christian and jefferson, madison, they all took the classics, right, they took greek and hebrew and latin and math and scientist, rhetoric and english. that was the liberal arts education. i taught at a liberal arts college. hi couldn't line economic incentives with ethics and it's doom today failure where adam smith and enlightenment guys over here with jefferson and madison, those ideas do line up and mash and i get at it in the book. both of them wanted a large number of small competitors,

right, adam smith, free market idea and madison he wanted a large number of factions competing against each other and that works. both of those they go right together and these were not teaching the kids enough of that these days and so i wanted to at least put out, you know, 200 pages, a first edition, we will see if i can get better over time. >> i wanted to -- one of the things that i was struck by with this -- the complementary aspect as you put it in the subhead here, ethics economics and politics are linked. >> yeah. >> this is from page 27. i was intrigued by this and you said god works 6 days and rested on the seventh. >> right. >> do not steal that rule presumes private property. >> right. >> do not covet. >> yeah. >> the basis in judeo christian religious traditions that permeates public policy from your perspective i found to be fascinating. you said on page 28, our

founding was an important chapter in the history of faith. >> yeah. >> can you tell us why you see our founding as tied and important in the history of faith? >> yeah, well, and the one thing our founders did not see, they saw very clearly on incan i nottives and the constitutional structure, you got at it. they could not see a day where the jud intoa christian tradition wasn't taken as a given and were kind of there right now. well, we want that. the first amount is about that, separation of church and state and the press and no establishment of religion. free exercise therefore. the left, i take the left gone in the book in terms of the soul of the american university, one of the books i reference there and i went to princeton seminary

. prezes and the puritans. harvard, yale same thing. we grounded. here, secular society, we are sharing win-win group. you take the schools, we will move the seminaries across but you to teach ethics, right? it was assumed. catholic tradition and protestant tradition. now the left has not only taken the schools but say you can no longer teach ethics, there's no natural law taught anymore. you bring up religion, you get laughed out of the room. this is for real. and so everyone talks about a space -- separation of church and state. paul ryan sees moses in his chair. no law, no ten commandants in our secular society, i don't think so.

roam wasn't the most loving society. it was the example, cold, brutal society and here comes the doctrine of love, you want separation of compassion and love from our tradition and to the left, i know what they mean. they don't want religious establishment but if you do a total separation, we also all assume the left agrees with us on human rights claims. and human rights emerge only in western europe at about 1400 out of the judeo-christian tradition. those rights we argue and the founders that they proceed the existence of government. and so do you want a separation of that do rights exist, yes or no? i wanted to push the thinking a little bit. we are at war with part of a tradition that has hard time with first amendment and i wanted to get a good debate going and that's part of what was going on. >> and another you mention the catholic tradition. i'm catholic. i was struck by later on in the

book a little later in the book how you delve into the works of st. agustín and thomas. >> yeah. >> my faith informs pretty much everything i do and how i live my life. how is your faith clear in your book, talk a little bit about how your faith informs your public service and your approach to service in the u.s. house of representatives? >> it's kind of biographical. i grew up in detroit, grew up in michigan, my dad moves to minnesota, thanks, dad. that was tough. you grow. protestant tradition. went to work at arthur anderson in bids in detroit chicago for a while and went to princeton seminary. i went down to wesley seminary

in dc and great liberal friend of mine who wrote economics and ethics in the same book and so that was the fire. i knew i wanted to teach philosophy in college and once i saw the combination of economics and ethics in a book, that was it. so i went to work for the army a little bit and world bank for a couple of years, worked with -- in the philippines. i met my wife and ran ethics program for 18 years. that's how i live it out. it is my calling putting those things together and keeping that conversation going. a lot of this book is old lecture notes. >> and now this is not a memoir, it's obviously a book about like we talked about economics, ethics, philosophy. >> yeah. >> but you did touch on what you just mentioned here which was meeting laura as you were

closing in on your ph.d? >> yeah. >> there's not much detail about that. i'm sure the viewers would like to know a little bit story there. >> yeah. >> how did you meet laura, she's a wonderful woman. tell us how you came to meet her and date her and then get married. >> it was pretty funny, we were sitting down and a mutual set up a blind date, hi, how are you doing and started talking and we had values in common, kids, families set-up, really, in dc, i met a normal person. [laughter] >> i love it up here. we kind of had the same, you know, judeo-christian outlook. she's catholic and protestant. i'm catholic now, you see who won that one. hi, honey. it's been great. >> married how long? >> 20 years and then jonathan just went off to college so we've been sad household.

>> dropped the oldest one at college in. >> yeah. >> any tears shed? >> it hit me way harder and so she's been home more and i'm up here three weeks out of the month and so that's not good but, boy, it hit me when you see his empty rooming every night and it's not good. >> jonathan probably not so much. [laughter] >> he's doing all right. except for uva lost to richmond. >> a lot of people are. [laughter] >> this is great. i wanted to come back to something else that you talk about in the book that, i think, is really telling because you touch on obviously our founding. >> yeah. >> which is something those of us from virginia, the founders, so many of them, and you talk about not just the horizontal separation of powers, you mentioned senator mike lee. >> he's phenomenal.

>> not just across the three separate equal branches and the federal government but the vertical as well is that the states were to be a check on federal executive branch authority and growth. >> absolutely. >> and that seemed to be working out in that regard. can you talk a little bit what you're seeing in terms of horizontal and vertical checks and balances and the problem that creates for us as government. >> yeah, you go back to madison, he went to princeton seminary. after he was done with the under grad he studied hebrew. right, this is smart guy. the hebrew tradition i was at my speeches, how long did it take human nature to fall, three chapters. if that's the tradition that informs your thinking and you're the author of the constitution, what do you do, you separate power every way you can, vertically, horizontally and the tenth amendment, vertical

separation, federal, state local, there are 148 enumerated powers for the federal government and the founders knew that and since then we violated beyond comprehension. mike has a picture in his office in 2013 the house did 5-inches of bill and executive branch did 11 feet. you get the sense, we are upside down. we are. we all know about executive overreach but we have to push things back. the federal programs are the ones insolvent. and everything the fed touches, right, in ten years, we won't have a dollar left for military, transportation, et cetera, that's not me.

that's the best data up here. main grasp of the budget committee. whereas virginia is a well-run state. people think, you know, some of us who are constitutionalist think we are antigovernment. if you want flowers tat local level, vote on it. go buy flowers, right? if you one a well-run state with good education, education is in the constitution of state and excellent education. it's in the -- we have to do that. we should do that. but the fed, i got pants on fire for saying we debated what's on the salad bar here in dc in the education committee. i don't know how they found it to be false. go check again, you guys. we debate it. what's on the salad bar at the local school at the federal level. the founders were smarter than us. >> you know in this mention of checks and balances, the vertical component is federalism

where it's intended to be even if some of the implications, a few conservatives may not like. i thought that was an interesting point and that is the case. >> that's right. >> right. if the people vote, right, the key is we are supposed to be a democratic republic. that doesn't mean you get to win every debate. it means that you have a fair process. if the folks vote for more flowers and you're a fiscal hawk, you lose. you move with your feet and these kinds of things. >> to hold them accountable. >> you can move and you want a large number of options. >> i mention this, dave, from time to time to folks specially talking to young people and i point out that the federal government is the creation of the states. the states are not the creation of the federal government and it is remarkable to me how few people realize that. >> right. and i thought your point about the federalist checks and balances gets overlooked a lot of the times because we are

concerned about the trampling of the separation of powers between the legislative and judicial branches and the executive branch abuse there but it's powerfully evident when it comes to overriding where the prerogatives of the states. >> right. >> we see so many cases in this regard obviously for virginians we know how the clean power plant and the overreach there, devastating in southwest virginia. >> right. >> 23 states states have said no, stop and unfortunately we are not among them but i sure hope that the legislative branch at the federal level uphold the state's prerogatives when it comes to that overreach and puts a stop to that. >> some people think it's the executive doing a power grab. it's or own fault in congress. row v. wade on the judicial side and politicians don't want to vote.

you take two or three tough votes, you might get kicked out. the judiciary, you guys over here. now we are doing the same thing with the executive. we vote on a clean air clean power thing. we tell the executive branch government, you're going to make the law, implement it and determine what clean is and you've given in law the tremendous power and everybody is learning what that looks like. >> yeah. >> they're having a hard time staying aploat. we need to retain article one. congress shall make all laws. >> this period you talk about in casting the tough votes, is that one of the reasons that you're a strong proponent of term lifts and are you term limiting yourself? >> yeah. 12 years. if you eye for having eye on

leadership and chairman, there's nothing wrong with that. the money is so dominant. we had presidential level right on the republican side and the dem side, 80% outside votes going to presidential candidates. and yet the american people just put in all the incumbents again roughly in congress. >> yeah. >> an amazing power of the purse in winning elections and on top of the money part, people are lining themselves out to be a chairman of a committee. well, that's -- people want to do that, right, but if you vote in lock step with leadership in order to get that slot, you can just start looking, both sides do this. if you're not doing what's best for the country all of the time. >> and to me it's all consistent obviously with the founders, speaking of the founders with citizen, go and come home. the senate got closed. i would serve no longer -- no more than two terms. 12 years in the senate because i think it's important that that be -- >> yeah.

>> speaking of the founders, do you have a favorite founder and who is it and why? >> probably madison because of the seminary and i love the constitution and that kind of thing. washington is interesting to me. >> eversnon virginia is big. we are blessed with history in virginia, but washington the more i read on him, the one guy that everybody liked. he walked into a room and he's the man. you want to see what's the look on this guy's face. who is this guy that all the great men who have egos turn to him and say this is it. right. >> that's mine. i use today live on one of his old farms. >> that's amazing. >> i tell you a funny story, i was over on a business trip in

london and i was talking to a british historian and i mentioned to him, we were talking to him ant -- about the founding and he believed that there's a divine inspiration and that divine and i hold him about living in mount vernon, it's possible that the british empire could have defeated george washington, thomas jefferson, the no way. [laughter] >> that's true. really remarkable. >> it is remarkable. >> you know, you talk in here again this underpinning of the moral case. >> yeah. >> for free enterprise which is missing from conservative comment air and the republican side. i believe like you do that

economic growth and upward mobility free enterprise system and you make that point in the book on this page 198, freedom and earnings. i don't know if the camera can pick it up. let me just say the next graph shows the incoming of the people, 10% of earners in four groups of country to the most free market, always. >> always. >> right, history, data. those that don't have the book, go out and buy the book. this chart is definitive proof of that and, you know, one of the things we talk about here, work, we understand that there's not just economic value in labor as ph.d you know that's the

case, but there's human dignity and work and a market economy that has dynamic growth allows for people to know the dignity of work. >> right. >> but this data, why do more people not understand it and where is this enamored by socialism coming from? >> well, unfortunately political divide. i grew up with liberal and the root word of the liberals is liberty. adam smith was a liberal and madison and the lines have gotten confused. it's not just incomes. i ran thousands of regressions on all of the indicators, all the things that lib wales want, where do you have to cleanest environment, capitalist country. guess where you have the highest degrees for eighth women, capital list country.

she's chicago trained but double ph.d or triple, ph.d in economics out of chicago and ph.d in literature. incredibly smart person and her book says the cause of modern economic growth which started 1700 every person on the planet made a thousand dollars a year per capita income and in 1700, boom, you get a hockey stick. boom, massive economic growth. so she takes on 20 nobel, favorite guys and she didn't deny that. the primal cause is at about 1700, first time in history moral language changed such as we started the businessman and

businesswoman morally good. my tradition hasn't been perfect on that. abraham, moses, buddha, gandhi, anybody, any tradition, agustín, mohamed, et cetera, no where in that line do you find someone saying capitalism or free markets or economics is morally good. it's something you put up with. >> yeah. >> we changed thelingo and the problematic thing is the thesis is reversible. what are we teaching the kids in schools? are we teaching kids that business and capitalism is morally good or are we saying, hey, it's kind of corrupt and business wall street is nasty. and unfortunately there are a few bad apples but are basically good, every small business person wants to give employees health care. when inock -- i knock on doors,

people are very good and want to help employees. we have to reverse the moral language. it's not just a calling, you better be happy and passionate about what you do in every waking hour of your life otherwise you will have a miserable life. you're telling the kids the truth. the left is critical. i think we have a theme there. >> you're talking about young people, your obviously a college professor and you love being a teacher. >> yeah. >> not just a professor but a teacher. >> yeah. >> would you encouraging your students to get involved in politics?

i do. do math till your 30 and philosophy near death. you're done with wine, women and song and you instill wisdom in yourself. make sure you're done with that deal. >> yeah. >> so get in politics, do internships on capitol hill. >> go knock doors. >> you learn. >> go into a vocation first. i thought you were going to ask about going into the teaching too. the same thing. always major in your passion. i was an adviser too for 18 years. make sure you do what you love, but minor in accounting. minor in science or accounting or web design or something where

you can make a dollar in case, right? and so value your passion and people come back to me later, i'm glad i did that. i needed a little backup plan. >> it's a great advice and i talk to young people too. i know a lot of successful people from an external evaluation of success. >> right. >> who are not happy. >> yeah. >> i don't know any happy people who are not successful. >> right. >> do what makes you happy and you will be successful at it. if your goal is the success part, you may find yourself not very happy going what you're doing. >> absolutely. >> in these days the incentives from the video generation is too much on the glitter. these kids are doing better. there are good signs. >> yeah. >> we talked about the economy and lost generation here in terms of what they've dealt with in the economy and you make an interesting point in here.

economic dead-end chapter 12. i'm going to hit a couple of things and i want to come back to. the first, you note even as those keeping track of nothing but the dow jones numbers and the slight uptick in numbers tell themselves that everything is find, among most citizens there's uneasiness and then you -- a few pages later in chapter called the invisible recovery, you say calling our current economic problems the outcome of decades without sound money with increasing regulation, without -- with increasing regulation without growing government a great recession is optimistic. calling it a great recession is dangerously optimistic. misdiagnoses our current situation as a downturn implying that all we need to do to get out of it is wait.

>> a couple of things, one, you know, we've been told that this kind of flat recovery is the new normal. >> yeah. >> we have to just accept economic growth rates between 1 and 2%. we are never going to see 4%, 5% again. >> right. >> your point is that this is because of the fundamental drivers of our economy are broken and you pick them up here . >> the biggest one i just said. it's the passion for business in america. people just feel beat down. getting the education back and the entrepreneurial spirit. protestant work ethic, catholic, the vocation, the positive thinking. secondly, the regulatory overhang is just tremendous. i think it's 2 trillion out of 18 trillion-dollar economy and you talk to any small business

person right now, beginning with obamacare, right, so you can disagree on the healthcare kind of thing, now the results and premiums are going up, conservative, just being fair. 15 to 20%. >> all over the news. >> deductibles are 2 to 5,000 for the poor and all the economic studies show the average family has $400 on hand. you put that together, it's devastating. the average family knows i can't make it through another downturn . we are growing at 1% and that's with the deficit this year 550 billion. the fed has 4 trillion on the balance sheet. not money but bank volts and can become money if loans go out. that's hugely. if you're growing at 1% with huge stimulus, i get in debate with fed guys, whatever, if you raise interest rate 2%, what would happen to the economy?

it would crash. markets were getting jittery last month just the recent thing, we had the debate, over a quarter point, 2% wouldn't be normal. 4%. >> it's what you call the sugar high. >> the classic solo economic nobel, so capital, not financial capital but machinery, right. who is willing to put millions an millions into a physical capital plant with a bet you're going to make on the next ten-year window. nobody. >> such a dampening effect. >> right. >> you don't know what the next regulation is going to be. it hinders. >> if everybody is looking where can i park to get my 2 to 3%, that's not the entrepreneurial

spirit we need. >> yeah. let me talk a little bit about something in terms of these -- the economics as well. you make a point in here on page 49 and you made it throughout this book, you said washington should not be in the business of picking the winners and losers of our economy in the private sector. the best way to ensure a vibrant and strong economy is allowing innovators to thrive based on merit and consumer demand for products and services, not on the powerful friends they have in washington. >> yeah. >> and this gets to, you know, i had talked about how this president, president obama over the past eight years has really moved our economy away from an economy where it's based on the premise that what you know is more important than who you know and who you know is more important than what you know. >> right. >> and the fact is, what we are seeing is the decisions of 100 million americans every day in the private marketplace on

our healthcare choices as you just talked about, energy decisions, internet, you know, you name it. >> right. >> are being sur planted by the decisions of 100 political appointees in this city. >> right. i call it the influence economy. you're right about the distortion of the incentives and people being rewarded more for, you know, getting the better, targeted tax credit than they are for having building a better mouse trap. talk a little bit about -- talk about this in this book. >> that's what you see. the american people have figured it out. the new media where you go on the web and forgood or for bad, it's brought by language in i haven't gone to seminary, i try not to get negative with folks, but the educational upside is huge. people are figuring what's going on right now. on the republican side you have 80% of vehicle voters going for

outsider candidates, trump, cruz, on the left bernie is getting 50% of the vote, unheard of. to see that much energy because people have seen the small guy is leaving left behind in the dust. if you don't have a lawyer, lobbyist. the biggies do. they don't like it. but back in the 50's or whatever, general motors and common sense saying, general motors goes the nation goes but we have to get back to that. all of our ceo's, we just had etna, et cetera, the ceo, i don't know him, 11 out of 15 exchange and still has to say complementary things about the exchange. so that shows you, right, somebody is scared of the federal government, when you you're losing 200 million in a quarter and you back out of 11 to 15 and you still say, yeah, but the exchange are okay, holy mole, the biggie is under pressure, you can imagine what

the small guy is doing, they have to put a tank underneath in the restaurant for $200,000, four years of kid through high-price university. it's hitting them hard. and that's the hardest thing to teach. it does take a while that you have to trust the price system. that's what our country is builting on. you go to wal-mart, how do they know to put ten loafs of bread and car batteries on the table. every time they scan wasn't, that's what was purchased. that information goes shooting off to the supplier, make some whatever. that's amazing. no central planner knows that. >> right. >> the day you start picking winners and losers, it's not a

little error, it's catastrophic for the country going forward and that's the main reason why i wanted to run for office, try to convey that logic. >> and you touch on this in the book, you point out, well, the private sector business folks subject to corruption, no doubt that's true, people commit crimes all of the time. >> yeah. >> and yet there's this notion that that person in that position in a government entity enterprise making these decisions that somehow immune from any of this and a view of the left i've always felt that the profit motive is evil and the political motive is somehow inherently

the left personally. we all get along here. we get along. my good friends in the morning and we debate everything.

we all get along great. the true power in the city is right in the middle. whoever is guiding the 4 trillion, that's not being led by the right and the left. go do quick scan and you see who is controlling 4 trillion. >> what's interesting to me is i've always felt that the media tends to, you know, they extol the virtues and everybody play it is role in the process but they tend to diminish the importance of those who are like you and those frankly on the left who are making the intellectual argument for either side and, you know, i use today say you can't split the difference until you define it first. >> that's right. >> playing a very important role

in the political process are marginalized. >> no, i appreciate. you take a little thump but there's a few keywords that you need to learn how to govern and compromise and unify. i talked to the fifth grade classes all of the time. if you have deficits, should we increase the number or decrease? when the fifth graders get it, i'm willing to compromise with anybody. it has to be in the same direction. i'm willing to compromise as long as 1% goes up. any policy that will increase, you will find me at the table. >> right. >> that's one of the things too increase of economic growth to a point about the debts and the deficits. that would do more than anything to bring down the debt and reduce deficits to economic growth. >> absolutely. >> i know economic indicators

economists will say. there's a lot underneath that. >> yeah. >> in the common wealth we saw that we have a $1.5 billion revenue short clause. >> right. >> how can that be? we are just like the country labor force participation rate. we are at a ten-year low in virginia. >> yeah. >> so people have left the workforce entirely. that contributes to low unemployment rate. not the right way to get unemployment rate. people working 28 hours. a lot because of obamacare and the mandates and the employer mandate for 30 years. >> there's human dignity in work, all work and we should value that, but that's one of the reasons that the revenues are down and so, you know, and people are going to say well, we

are going to raise taxes. >> wrong way. >> we need more virginians working an better jobs. that's the same thing at the federal level. the unemployment is down, the administration is always counting that. >> right. >> just like in richmond, but the fundamentalists to your point are not sound. >> when you layed it -- i saw the piece you wrote last week on the common wealth and where we stand and the evidence that racial tensions are at all-time high. you don't get that when the economy is coming along, you get that at 1% growth and people feel they are competing against each other for jobs. we should never have that feeling in this country. you don't see people getting on each other's case. this low-growth economy is causing that and we haven't educated the people when you talk about the labor force

participation rate, that's right on the must be and the chinese, we are competing globally. let's do minimum wage of 15 bucks, our competitors across the ocean are laughing at us. really? you don't have productivity and you're going to raise rates. they are getting a chuckle at it. people probably know but wage rate goes up. we are not spending enough. in the short run you get a --

>> i've been reading in addition to this book by jd vance, i believe is the author, and talks about race relations and the economic dynamic but if you get a chance, that's a -- that is a great book and talks a lot about what's going on in coal country and other parts. >> right. >> in virginia as well. let me talk about a couple of other things here while we have some time. the book writing process. >> yeah. >> so this is a very thoughtful book and i enjoy reading it. i have written a book. if you bet my college roommates 30 years ago, you get no takers. >> same here. [laughter] >> i did. >> and i found the process to be therapeutic in some ways and enjoyable. >> yeah.

>> i had to kind of -- i would carve out some time like a weekend or something because i would have to get in the rhythm and some people get up at 5:00 a.m. right before they work out or after they get off the treadmill. how did you as member of the u.s. house, someone who prides himself when you're home, always having meetings with the constituents, down hall meetings, obviously a family man as well, how did you find the time -- what do we have here 200-something pages. >> no, a lot of it was already written. i was academic for 18 years so i had a couple of years going. you see a lot of 4,000 year things and a philosophical reader on logical positivism. if you're really unsleepy at night go google. that was heavy-hitting, that

opened up the question what is knowledge and how do you know what you know and you had a 2,000 year search for that. no one found it. fog replaced it. so the left is what got me to put some of the idea. the left doesn't have a coherent philosophy they can name right now and i get all sorts of hot water. he says he owns this profession. i don't own it. i want to give it to you for free. i don't own. that crack-up in knowledge when you can't define. we don't have any systematic right now internationally, nationally, et cetera, after kind of martin luther king, gandhi, kennedy, that period, there's been very little systematic thinking and so i wrote a book on that and i had western and i had a few books in

here, brief history of epics, embedded in this book, niel ferguson, oxford historian on killer apps and i had a friend that helped me write. i'm not jefferson and so i have all the big ideas and i got together with a friend and he helped me whip it together and you look back, i forgot to put that in there. the hardest part of writing, you have a ton of knowledge and you want -- >> that's everybody's problem. [laughter] >> so that's the way i did it. i would just look like you did for big chunk. i'm not a 5:00 a.m. get up and write a few pages, look for a few days in a row and start cranking stuff and i wanted to

go back in terms of your touching. you mentioned in here, i don't think by name, but at the -- i think it was in your graduate school three teachers who were mentors. >> yeah. >> who really had an impact on you. >> can you share who those are and how they had an impact. >> a whole college, a whole college. you are from michigan you go like that, i had a world religion, i won't mention in a philosophy and my preacher and was scottish reform presbyterian kind of preacher but he had carl, calvin in his head coming and going, you know, these great systematic thinkers and he could preach and was great and had me over when i was a college kid and when you're in college you don't have your act all together, a three of the folks cared for me as an individual and i saw what a christian

concern looked like. hey, not only am i thankful, what the college has done for me but i want to be thankful and i had three i had, american, ph.d, he went to church with me and was the guy who did the economics and ethics, he was the minister to bill clinton, i'm bipartisan. [laughter] >> i'm tbrendz both sides of the aisle, working on economic development in the third world, the world bank over a couple of years with a woman boss from the philippines and singapore. i had great people along the line and helps you grow. that's why i want to teach. at the end of the day, 20 years of talking, now let's do it and put this in action and i gave it a run. >> so what is a typical day like

now? you are coming back in, you start again tonight on the day that we are having this conversation. what's it look for folks, i know a lot of c-span viewers probably know this. you get up tomorrow and you do what? >> yeah, we -- it's weird because presidential year. we had over a month at home which is abnormal but the normal is just three weeks in a row up in dc. get up early and work out in the gym, we all get along, have a good time and watch the news and you start going to budget committee meetings, we got kicking off again tomorrow and voting throughout the day, meeting with constituents, getting your head up on what's coming out at us in terms of major bill and meet with staff, you go home for one week and do the politics and run for office again to meet with constituents down in your district where i have ten counties and i promise to be in every county once a

month, i wasn't clear thinking when i made that promise. it's been great. i have been going around like crazy. >> we had a -- lives changed in virginia. how is it having a district that you're used to and have a loose constituent in voters. >> it's okay. it was -- it's just politics. i still don't even know how it happened. i last where i taught my students for 18 years and they are dispersed through the region. to lose -- you almost wonder if someone designed it. i lost great friends. i was there this past weekend twice running through those counties. great people. it's fun, meeting new people, boy, it's hard work. getting into new counties, get to go meet new people and introduce yourself and sharing

ideas, when you're new, people are skeptical of politicians, our approval is 12% or something. here is what i believe, here is the proof, here is the way i vote, here is the proof of what i'm saying. >> and you do talk about here is what i believe and it's clear obviously in the book. >> thank you. [laughter] >> but it's interesting to me. you know, you say the same thing back home as you say here and anywhere else. my sense is that people are receptive and is that your feeling. >> no, and it goes back to the guys you talk about. it's an american creed. it's not really republican. adherence to free markets, equal

treatment for every citizen to the law, you say that to anyone, they like that. >> greatest providers and economic justice. >> right. the problem is not enough people hold themselves to those promises when they are up here, right? they say free markets and they vote for everything for free markets. you can predict my vote. you follow adam smith and madison, you can predict every one of my votes and go check it out and see if i'm fudging or not. >> all right, here is something really important to try to get your pressed on, on november 12th, randolph -- [laughter] >> what is the prediction? >> i have to say go jacket although i got the flip the coin at the last game. we have a great relationship. it's a love-hate thing but it's fun. i flip the coin and three captains came up and they say are you congressman brown, they

said, good job. we all like each other. they are free market. [laughter] >> right. >> dave, thanks. >> yeah. >> enjoy reading the book and encourage others to do it and thanks for taking the time to write it. >> good interview. i can't believe you took notes and went beyond -- >> i highlighted and everything. yellow highlighted. [laughter] >> thank you, it's been fun working with you over the last couple of years. >> same here. thank you very much. >> you bet. >> c-span where history unfolds daily. in 1979 c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. >> this book is clearly a book about water but as you've sensed it's also a book about climate

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