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some people in the interest of the gun and conversation but they are not that different. >> thank you so much the southern festival of books. here's vanned arer built university -- vanderbilt university professor kelly oliver. >> good afternoon and welcome to this session of the southern festival of books. >> could afternoon welcome to this additional the southern festival of the books today we will talk to officer kelly oliver about her boss accounting girls

professor oliver on g graduated with honors in 1979 with it double major in a merger ph.d. from northwestern university in i philosophy she has held teaching positions at various converse cities including george washington university university of texas austin and still be broken currently a distinguished professor of philosophy at vanderbilt she is published books topicss ranging from family love for and violence to affirmative-action hollywood films and an mri its. for a nonfiction work includes over 100 articles and over 20 books today we welcome her to talk about her book "hunting girls." [applause]

>> guest: thank-you. in my recent balk, a "hunting girls" en sexual violence from the hunger games to campus rape" i discussed classic fairy tales and a blockbuster hollywood films featuring strong teenage girl protagonists in relationship to campus rape but this afternoon given time limitations i can only give the five brief preview of by a discussion of hollywood films and carry tales given the headline news on the donald trump's comments to put himself on when and as the women who have come forward also primarily on camp chapter to campus rape with the lack of consent the first a short preview of my analysis of the fairy tale princess namely the tough burleson of hollywood films.deeo

from the hunter games or "twilight" and other strong and resourceful characters have decimated the fairy tale archives of the helpless girl wanting to be rescued getting as good as they get to try to liberate themselves but the problem is that they still get as much or more so those representations and us to size their abuse the natalie normalizes violence including sexual violence also authorizes the sends a double message to that says don't try it or you will get hurt or they delight in violence towards girl says abuse is a normal part of

coming-of-age. unfortunately this change through the violence and abuse are a part that abuse by reveling in the assaults of girls and to further normalize violence against girls, even in the case of some of these films for those who fight against it. and end hunting girls established forms representing young women as predators sempre at the implications of violence especially sexual violence is inevitable, even celebrated part of a girl's coming of age to underscoreor the threats of these depictions i locate the manifestation of violent sex and the growing prevalence of campus rape and the validation of the women's lack of consent which is the focus of my discussion this afternoon.

in the official taylor followed the film picture-perfect that was out last year, wilson character who was called fact amy was shown dancing at a campus party when the boy asked she wants to have sex later. she says no but then gives a wink he looks confused and asks does that mean yes or no clacks she responds absolutely not then responds again meaning that she doesn't mean what she said so what type of message does this send clacks what does it send when girl say no butsa they really mean yes? certainly that is open for interpretation but a few years ago for yale fraternity brothers marjorie of the freshman dorms chanting no means yes and yes means anal their

interpretation was clear but that was not an isolated incident where practically every week in the fall you hear about these for example, just this last fall there were similar chance and banners welcoming freshman at ohio state university at western ontario university and old dominion just to name a few and last year the university at texas tech was suspended for flying a banner that read no means yes for another fraternity was suspended for distributing in e-mail with the subject line to lower your rape date that ended'' back to want to see everyone succeed at the next couple of parties. and at william and mary fraternity member center

around a message that included the following phrase, never mind the extremities that surround it the a 99% of princess leaendousy illogical bolsa it consider only about 1%. then the chant in halifax to welcome new students as nu boys we like the young oh so tight under age no consentor kravis ass unfortunately the list goes on and every fall abc's days celebration of black of consent the degradation of young women and these examples show some

men on campus to say no means yes where that is not only irrelevant but undesirable but that is openly valued in to make it plain that actively seeking cents without -- sex without consent is there dote - - their goal class thosein studies confirm what they indicate for example, one study found one-third of college men edmonton they might trade problem and if they could get away with it.y another study reports half of the college men surveyed admitted to use one form of sexual aggression on a date. recent cases found on fraternity websites are

further evidence that men who prey on women sexually also learn joy defacing them .d of the creep shots are photographs of women's bodies taken without their consent and one of the many creep's shot websites and there are many many, stipulate exclusively the women cannot know they have been photographed thatns is what constitutes the creep shot that you have to sneak up like up the skirt shot. their lack of consent is part of the conquest that is posted on line as a trophy lately several fraternities have spent busted a semi or unconscious curls for example, last year at pennot state in extremely compromise seem positions

one website had derogatory by fents about the of comments posted by frat members only because one of them came forward today ever find out about this becauseas it was a close website with the high-profile rape cases show creep shot videos to those set are joking and giggling and this is more common or the camera is part of the sexual assault'' then they take the videos then imposed them. so what rape case of high-school football players as salted and unconscious girl while bystanders joked t that made disparaging remarks about her. one of the perpetrators to say it's not really rape and because you don't know if

she wanted it or not. because she was unconscious it makes clear that these boys if big girl is unconscious felt an affirmative or negative consent or no consent then sex does not count as rape imagine they're unconscious victim could be consenting. maybe she wants it. given the use of rape drugs and alcohol to render girls and the young women unconscious that incident is truly a incalculable and it is hard to determine actual rape on college campus because reporting it is very in the in the case of party rape by men may not even know they were insulted if unconsciousng t

they may wake up wondering but never sher and you can see the outline how '04 will thperience sexual assault. in the case of party rape they may know even know they were assaulted, so leading u.s. department of justice to have a distinct type of rape that is defined as one that occurs at theca off-campus house or on campus fraternity to target an intoxicating women enterf the of sexual assault partyes rate makes colleges andti universities a hunting ground and they would neverev

consider them saul's a rapist but it is just a fun part of fraternity life. certainly not a everyman is a rapist but with those multiple variables with the psychology and rape culture and with those fraternities] ripe with gender inequality leading to rate those rape r drugs to capacitated college women is particularly reprehensible insofar that not only premeditated but they are dangerous or even lethal love high doses. in 2014 and university of wisconsin some girls ended up in hospital like rohypnol at a fraternity party the fraternity engagement was later determined by police

as a rape conspiracy to intentionally drug unsuspecting women and as long as they see women as a trophy they will play the campus's just a couple days ago i learned a fingernail polish that detects the rape drug they dip into the drink a polish will turn color every drug is present the need for this product is evidence of a growing problem so to address party rate is compounded by the fact that women to report a when alcohol is involved only 2.7% of the victims'ul report their assault for only 2.7% that combination of a party atmosphere with the acceptance of rape includes bechtel and blaming or the fantasies that they

enjoy a rape that is perpetuated by fraternities to make colleges a fertile hunting ground for the serial rapist.eans yes to be prevalent on college campus in coulter several studies show that college athletes and fraternity coulter perpetuate theub classic double standard those to have sex are sluts but perhaps this is why groups of young people watch or record unconscious women being sexually assaulted without intervening or calling the of police in this is something that iew think is new with cameras and social media and what i

argue in the book that the acceptance of rape that used to happen in the shadows rape has become a spectator sport where they pose for the camera and are subject to creep shots are posted online for entertainment the creed shots distributed on social me dad another layer of trauma and shame to the victim the trauma of victimization natalie becomes public the is infinitely be people in can't go virologist not go away with a presence on social media with victimization with an infinite future that makes healing more difficult ifim not impossible for survivors of and the shame of the photographs of their naked bodies in compromisingha positions have led to someme victims to kill - - consoles.

for example, in april of 2013 to distinct cases of teenage girls killed themselves after photographs of the sexual assault wasul posted on mondays and not the only cases. while there has always been a rape and including gang rape. bet nine consentual sex or rape in the display of social media is new and if in the passe acted in the shadows found they chanted in public record the sexual assault them post a picture. rape is a form of public entertainment perpetrators and bystanders note to enhance the experience than the soulful becomes part of the sexual assault and

ironically in high-profilebe cases because the victims were unconscious and did not know they were raped, it was actually easier to prove and try and convict with images of social media. this digest of testimony of the unconscious girls photographed is more believable than that ofne conscious once. while the testimony of young women is often challenged george discounted as he saidsa she said the recent phenomenon of the creek shot photographs and recording of unconscious rape taken with sulfone cameras has brought about some high a profile conviction as one detective said in the vanderbilt rate case pictures don't lie may be women do but the pitchers do not and is strange as it seems recording is of

reporting is more common girls have been filed out when pitchers are taken in the postal social media oror center around as a text message for example, in the high-profile vendor built case the survivor had to be convinced that she was rapeded by her then boyfriend and a football buddies because she did not believe it police showed purse surveillance videos from the perpetrator camera before she finally believe she was a salted. the vanderbilt case is rare that it has yielded convictions and minimum sentences of 15 years for the perpetrators thanks to campus police and the other two were awaiting trial but according to police on the beaches in florida that ourti popular spring break destinations there increasingly discovering grape with the unconscious girls being insulted for

example, last year a woman discovered when she had been gang raped on the panamay city beach when of video appeared on the nightly news imagine that you were sexually assaulted when you see yourself on the nightly news. reportedly she was drugged with the drink offered to her then to university students and sexually assaults said her perhaps as a troubling as that itself rather than help the victimsersc that the bystanders watch. and take videos and pitchers of unconscious girl sang compromising positions are centered around like a funny cat to video.h even brought turner the swimmer was convicted of sexual assaults the pitchers of his victim and share them on a social media site.

as part because what his father called his 20 minutes of action and if you are wondering what some fathers are teaching their son consider another case this fall and illinois state university where a father allegedly bought alcohol for his underage son and then drug day coeds though his son could rate her. well this is not new the use of social media to do so is where in the past pornographic pictures were pat quinn negative or wrapped in brown paper so the only to those private the now it is filled with pornography accessible to almost to take cream shots of unsuspected corals arepa parts and parcel of sexual assault in the age of social media.ault

the prevalence of sexual assault jamaicas take seriously any endorsements of the idea that boys will replace or the of locker room talk the outrage off sentiment that no means yes and yes means able -- anal. they are depressing signs that sexes and is alive and well. that has various forms of active is the man archedadlines, banal making headlines is a step forward this afternoon double-a-2 conclude on a more upbeat note to rick

knowledge the activism to bring awareness to the woidemic of campus rapee working to envision to rape culture to imagine a future where violence especially sexual violence will not be taken for granted as part of a girl's coming of age. the promise of true girl power in film may be the hero wins of the documentary of the hunting ground that also the co-founders of the group and many other young women on campuses across the country fighting sexual violence not of their own but social media and compassionate activism and performance art. for example,, activists campaigned in countries across the globe raises awareness of the tumbling.manda-

amanda who successfully promoted the new sexually assault act after fighting not to have her own rape case destroyed now that the rape case must be preserved. or survivors using performance art like the mattress girl for entire year carries a mattress that she was raped on with her around campus and more recently in response to the case at stanford gni was raising campus awareness through her photography project at happened. or the award winning and some from lady got got intel at happens to you.

they're not afraid to face retaliation to bring sexualol violence out of the spotlight and for my partfter rs after researching and writing "hunting girls" to the depressing reality that i uncovered and truly the tip of the iceberg i turned to writing fiction with the party rape and human trafficking and to imagine a better world with strongtw bonds with those to work together to overcome the odds to flourish on their own terms. [applause]d like

>> we have some time for questions please come into the microphone so we can hear you. anyone? >> i was wondering if you have any notion that this has spent prevalent for a long time now just coming to the surface or if there is a change in the culture thatat makes rape itself more acceptable? if that is true then is that spontaneous leave happening to college-age men? there must be something going on somewhere related to pornography itself?

increase of violence in high-school store culture in general? and a concept of how that relates? >> that is a very good question because we are seeing more reporting it is still very low but i thinkcausef because of the more opennessss of the culture to talk about sex and sexual assault that more women now feel comfortable coming forward. also there have been increased pressure to receive any type of federal funding because this is one thing that was unique about to the university of wirth carolina case that they used

title line -- title negative data just bringing a case there brought it against the university using title line legislation that guarantees the environment for any student to have equal access to education this was ground breaking and away but that shift of responsibility thatghlh highlights that educational institution and changing the way the institution dealsas with the reporting of sexual assault so they have to take more seriously the reports of sexual assault that they did before. before colleges and universities and high school would avoid the of publicity

so to insert there are multiple things going on. there is more media attention. nbc actual videotapes and photographs of women who were sexually assaulted. because when the videos come down they make the news so we seeing more of these cases in the media. . .

some of the pornography is an endorsement of rape and they now argue there ideas about sexuality, what it is to have intimate relations, in part from pornography. the prevalence of pornography has penetrated mainstream culture in a way that we haven't seen before the internet. certainly that has had a big influence on the way young people think about sex, both young and men and women. college campuses, because you you have a closed system where you have young people who are sexually active altogether on

campus and then you've got fraternity parties, especially,, where the goal is to drink a lot of alcohol and have sex, that culture combined with the images of pornography and what counts as sex or what counts as fun or without thinking of sex as medication or intimacy is a toxic combination. on top of that, you would hear in the past of slipping a mickey into a girls drink but now we see something new where an entire fraternity spikes up punch bowl that this is part of the evening entertainment. it is very public. i think the fact that the discussions are public, it has

two sides. this is obviously multifaceted, but i think, on the one hand, the openness in the media we hear media reports of sexual violence and is a and comments like the locker room talk comments amongst politicians and sexting and all of these things in the media attention, it shows us the problem and we see the problem is hopefully being taken more seriously on one hand. on the other hand, it's depressing to see the extent of the problem. hopefully the heightened mediaia attention to the problem of sexual assault while also increase the possibilities of doing something about it. i certainly think social media, as i've argued, on the one hand

has become part of the entertainment. let's take a picture, it's a selfie, let's take a selfieg thu while we are sexually assaulting this girl. that's hard evidence. something that used to happen in private in a dorm room, in an alley or behind the dumpster, now there's hard evidence in these photographs. to address the final part of your question, it's not just college campuses. i dealt primarily with college campuses because the incident of rape. capita is higher on college campuses then off collegeat campuses. because i am an educated myself and i've devoted my life to education and the importance of it, part of what inspired therkh work on this project was to hear about highly educated young men like young men that yell.

these are the cream of the crop, right. these are our future ceo and president someone open young men are chanting these veryy offensive and very sexist, and not not only that, but endorsing rate, basically, no means yes, then it made me wonder what is going on and how are these attitudes being fostered onn campuses they are places you think education may counteract and hopefully they can counteract those attitudes, butn i think we need some educationin and in order to do that we need some institutions to address this problem. >> i was wondering, i read the

hunger games and the divergentcc series and i thought of them as a strong girl and a dangerous girl sticking up for herself and i didn't even didn't even notice the pictures and how they could be be victims of sexual assaults how can we have strong girls who aren't the victim? >> that's a great question. i think these films to give a strong tough girls who can stand up for themselves and take care of themselves, and often have to take care of other people around them. cat nest, in the hunger games takes care of her little sister. she has to take care of her mother who was traumatized. she has to take care of her boyfriend and she is a strong character, but also a girl girl

who is kind of confused. that was something i found very interesting. she doesn't really take political sites. i really like the hunger games. that's part of it. i really like these young adult fiction and i like the films. i'm not saying these are bad films that we should be watching them. at the same time, especially in the hollywood versions, i think the versions give us a much more two-dimensional and reduced sort of female protagonists that we get in some of the series, especially in the hunger games, which is my favorite of the ones i've mentioned in terms of the y a literature. what we see in these hollywood films is that although the girls give as good as they get, they also get beaten up.. when i started this project, i started i started looking at

some of the stills from the films when i was quite stunned to see that in every single one there is a scene of the girl being choked. something about the girl being choked.th you see that repeated also in certain kinds of pornography but also in high fashion. in high fashion there are, for example, last year it was victoria beckham's fashion line featured where the women were shown like they were dead. a couple of years ago, there was an episode of america's next model or greatest model or whatever it's called thats featured college coeds with their heads mounted as if they were trophies like animals.. we see this kind of thing all over popular culture, and i think that in terms of trying

to, especially especially as you ask, why young adult fiction or why a fiction with strong women, it's something to keep in mindo that okay, if you are a female heroine, if, if it's an action book and you're going to have violence, and they do, andrt that's part of the entertainment , the girls gives as good as she gets, i think at least for me what i have written in terms is one of the things that's been important to me is to show strong girl characters or female characters were working together so if you think about cap next, she is pretty much on her own.. i guess there's a few vampire friends in the twilight and chris pryor, there are other women around, but that was another interesting case, the

case of divergent where there was a lot of internet controversy because in the first film, i don't know if you remember, but in, she basically sexually assault her. if you're not familiar with it, they give you a drug in a taps into your greatest fears, whatever those are, and she's afraid of a lot of different things. another thing she's afraid of is that her boyfriend is going to force himself on her. i that was striking. that's not in the book. it's not in the book the way it was in the film. why does hollywood add this sexual assault scene. when i'm reading about the comments, of the fans ofwa divergent, some were very upset and others said that was hot. i loved that scene. to me again, that is a response where it's very problematic to

think that a scene of her boyfriend forcing himself on her is a hot scene in the film. i think that just to be conscious and aware of what kind of violence you subject your girls and heroines to, also i think it's important to show girls and women working together to support each other and defend each other, not just the one lone goal girl who all the others are weak and helpless and there's just this one special girl whose friends are the animals or the boys, but that you've got friendship between these young girls and that's part of what sustains them andd makes them strong. >> i have a two-part question, some of which you touched on in your presentation. part one is can you comment

about the backlog of rape kit testing and the other part is the statute of limitations that still exist in many jurisdictions on when you can bring, how long it takes to bring rape charges. >> yes, that's interesting. this is not part of the research that i was doing for the book which is more about the images of sexual violence and the social media and the role of social media, but, interestingly in the last part of the presentation i mentioned, let me go back to my slide, i mentioned amanda who just promoted this sexual assault survivors life

act that just passed and president barack obama signed a that prevents the destruction of rape kits and ensures that any person who has said that they have been sexually assaulted will have access to rape kits and evidence collection because until now, this was part of the problem. if law enforcement, for whatever whatever reason didn't believe the person or didn't collect the evidence, there was all kinds of discrepancies and as you pointed out, the backlog, it takes at minimum it takes about three months. that's a good turnaround to get the rape kit back. the backlog, that points to at least two things, one that there are so many sexual assaults and to that there aren't enough police and one enforcement

dedicated to evaluating these rape kits and doing what it takes because there's no need for it to be that long. went to presentation recently exactly on this topic where former law-enforcement who dealt with collecting dna evidence, i went to it as a fiction writer because i wanted to know how this was done, but he said really you should be able toto turn it around in a week and that you could, even in a couple of days, you could turn it around if there was this backlog but he also said in most states, the quickest turnaround time you could expect is about three t months. that's a problem. hopefully this new sexual assault survival rights act which is brand-new, he think just last week or the week

before it was signed hopefully it will at least change some of the ways the evidence is collected.ve also that the evidence isce preserved because in a lot of these cases, the evidence hasn't been preserved and then it's very difficult, there's no evidence.is there really is a he said versug she said situation. hopefully some of this is changing, but still your question points to the need for more law-enforcement attention to this kind of evidence and the backlog in terms of devoting the resources to assess the rape kit another problem with prosecuting, as we know, it's just mind-boggling if you think of the number of sexual assaults

that there are and how few are reported, and of that, only a fraction of those are arrested at only a fraction of those are actually prosecuted. then an even smaller fraction of those are convicted and even smaller of those convicted actually serve any time. it's practically as if these rapists are just going free. it's really like there is a free reign to rape, especially on college campuses. that's where at least until now, hopefully things are changing but there was just a culture that covers up rape and doesn't include the kind of things that law-enforcement does. now i think in part because of these young women who have brought title ix suits against their institutions, things are changing. institutions are are paying more attention and anti- rape

activists were really changing the whole environment and terrain of how institutions have to deal with sexual assault on campus. >> one more question. i have an 11-year-old daughter and a a 15-year-old son. knowing all that you know, that you've encountered in your research, what is the best advice or guidance that you can provide to me and other parents to prepare our young adults as they go off to college, to be sure that they don't end up being a part of this fraternity at yale with these educated young men chanting things like e that or my daughter who has a black belt in mixed martial arta ? is that a disadvantage, just showing up on a collegecam campus. any of your advice, with all that you know, would be would be greatly appreciated.

>> again, i think we need to change, obviously, we need to change this culture that not only accepts but in some places embraces that no means yes or that it's okay or boys will be boys. this is locker room talk and this is what we have seen in the past couple of weeks paid we have to say no. it's not true. first of all, it's not true. it's not true that all men talk like that. it's just not true. i think that we can make a difference with your 11-year-old son, to teach him to respect ale people, including women and that sexual relations are about communication and intimacy, they are not something that is a post to be forced with someone who is seen as an object, that these kind of representations and pornography are unhealthy andex

they are going to skew your idea of a sexual relationship and also, just make them aware that these attitudes do exist, they're going to go to college, they're going to run into fraternities that think this way. maybe fraternities that are plotting to spike punch and they need to stand up and say no, this is not okay. this is not cool. this is not the way we treat people this is not the way we treat women, this, this is not what i want out of a relationship, and i'm going to report you to the authorities. the same goes for your 15-year-old daughter, althoughol you may also want that figured out polish, that might be a good stocking stuffers for anyone going to college. i think also, both young women and young men who are going to college need to be made aware of this problem because a lot, most

of these assaults take place within the first month, most of of them are targeted to first-year students because they are new on campus, and most of them take or began with these parties and with alcohol and drugs. i think if these young people are made aware of the risks, because they don't know. i think they don't know the risks and they don't know untili it happens to them or their friend that this is a real risk and they need to be careful. also again, that they need to help each other out.ro both young men and young women who are like-minded and agree that we need to stop sexual assault and realize that so-called nonconsent consensual is rape. making advances on a woman who doesn't want that are hasn't asked for it is a form of

assault and is not appropriate. i think there are at home, in churches, in schools, in schools, we need to keep reinforcing the idea that sexuag assault and forcing yourself on a woman or grabbing and groping or kissing and asking or whatever is not just boys will be boys. it sexual assault and it's not acceptable. >> thank you professor oliver. thank you all for attending. [applause] we will be going to the signing culinary so if you have other questions or would like to talk more with prof. oliver, we will be up there. thank you very much.

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