come and we are excited about that, already resounding about what we have done here. >> fantastic. that is good. >> this is the first monetization, it has been around a long, long, long time. why now? >> a year ago, that was the start of this change, the independent company, the business model, 25 million users, and combination of that effort. >> and that time, the first to market with the low end version of status covering venture capital, tracking new startups. in the interim, you have cb

insight, 100 other companies that launched data and analysis. would you have done anything differently? do you feel you lost a competitive advantage by letting them take market share? >> we have by far more users than any of them. we have 1 million active users a week. that alone, the reason people come to us because our data is exceptional and people expect to see it. we don't put pay while the head of the data itself. we democratized the data set allowing anyone interested, now we have given tools on top of that so we analyze the data and extract the value you are looking for from the data.

>> we can check. >> these guys are a little bit ahead. >> we launched the obligation. we have other revenue streams, a licensing business, 100 customers paying for the feedback of our cis and advertisements as well. this is our next foray into the revenue stream. >> if you had been the ceo years ago, would you have done anything differently? >> i don't think so. >> all these years, all this strengthening. and and the right focus for now.

>> a lot of names for this data stuff, get referenced in the press. always crunch base is used by journalists, pretty minimal compared to what hit more regularly, is that something you think will change with the new product, you looking to open it up, will you, will it be more accessible to partner with other companies to get that data out there? >> you can't make any surgery or list and have it be complicated but sharing users, drone companies are emerging that look cool. and posting it on to twitter, and people see the results and

see what query you use, and journalists might make those lists and put that along with their articles, here is the data that proves what i was talking about, crunch based and take that as well. >> i played around with it a little bit, you have a couple preset searches that are pretty cool. when you look at the feature set what are you most proud of in the leveraging? >> and see start playing and try it out, it is extremely fast. and the ability to do the relationship purchase. and you look at the top layer.

a lot of 9 joins and 28, filters and what you do is ask questions like show me all the companies that had women founders working on salesforce who went to stanford. we are really excited about that. >> you crunched it? anyone, raise your hand. come on, guys. they are coming on and buying it. one of the problems i had with the data set. it was when i first played around with it continually,

consistently, really dirty, really dirty for the data. what are you doing to clean that up and what confidence should people have, a picture and aggregate -- >> the last year, changed how we do data in crunch base, way back, and little checks and balances to see if it was any good. as of a year ago we have a new strategy, four pillars of a good data set. the first is community. contributors adding data, the entrepreneurs themselves where the data set ends. we have an amazing partner network, 2700 vcs, and hard for

anyone to replicate, takes eight years, tween 9 years, you have a primary stream of data, and what is threatened. the third of the four is automation, machine learning, ai, figure out the ecosystems that might or should be, check in and see if it is sensible to be there and the systems are doing that, our research teams, larger than most people expect, looking at what data should or should not go in. algorithm say this looks spamy or suspicious in the way we do that is pretty complicated. it all but becomes checks and valances, this is the representation how they look to investors. he wanted to look right and good and if you start fudging things,

if they lose all credibility. >> don't want to be a killjoy but a couple companies are in crunch base that might not have expected to see like the pied piper. >> let's call those easter eggs. frankly a lot come through and check that out. >> what have you done to clean up the data set? walk-through that a little bit. when working with data to set these up, $29. >> you want a sense of accuracy. how does that work? >> allow people to analyze the data set, had to look good, a

large part of funding making sure the data looks good, spent a decent amount of cash, something like 8 million edits on all the data over the last year. one came from the automation and one third of it came from our own research so add that up across the data set we have been doing a lot of work. >> it shows. a much nicer looking product than the one i was forced to work with years ago. >> not that i am better. one of the things people like about crunch data is it wasn't so open. the data sets were all available and there was more ability, to build on top of the data. are you worried at all about

this move from free to premium and what that may mean for the user base? >> we still, there is a rumor that we don't have three apis, 10,000 companies and developers all over the world, 1 billion api calls in a year, the short answer is yes but not all of it, the premium data, the business here on the functionality side, free stuff you had and how you used it, it is exactly the same. the original starting point, what is crunch based pro? what it can't be is taking crunch base, let's not go from supplemental crunch base and charge for those, we also give some of what we built away for

free so anyone without a trial, without a credit card can go on the left side and try another search and the first filter and up to one joined so how many companies in crunch base you do that search. >> i am superlazy. i am a reporter. one of the things you are describing is the functionality that is a little awkward. at another company i worked at previously, those queries were a little smoother. that is something you want to do. and what users a, and weekly releases, for the last year, what it has done, looks like

nothing but now that it is out there, make changes and streamline it pretty quickly. you have now a tool that is very powerful, you need to play around with it, but once you have done that you will be pretty happy with the sort of questions and answers you can get out of it. >> i have been reading up about my problems i have with the products but what do you see as some of the things that need to get done to improve, to make it better? >> we challenge our users to say do you think the company you are looking for is crunch base? oftentimes the answer is yes and sometimes no. the challenges we have, how do we expand the threat to the data? a lot of companies talk about how many hundreds of thousands are in their data set. you need a level of quality to our standard before you consider

it acceptable to the system. a large number of companies have that high-quality bar and not have the user to figure out what there is. we don't want that to be an expectation. we want every company to do that. >> how do you get every company in their. >> we have a series of partnerships we are thinking about for improving machine learning. all that aside. that goes wide and. we are announcing great partnerships, crunch based and getting them there. companies like enigma. glassdoor and product types. all these different data sets, we bring in huge amounts of data into the system and allow you to analyze it. try to get people thinking about

master records on the internet for companies, part of that facility, bring these back to one place. >> is the idea to become the linkedin of companies? >> it is cool for people's linkedin. help companies connect with one another, a really interesting challenge in the long-term. >> what does the long-term look like? five years from now, what is the crunch based product look like? what is on offer? >> think about that, we focus on having companies care what their profile looks like, the community aspects, allowing companies to put on applications, parts of crunch base that allow users to access and imagine if there was a press

release section the company is controlling or and rfp section, those are ways companies connect with other companies, users using the stuff, adoption is critical. >> what are we doing mobile apps? >> three weeks ago, if you have not tried it out -- it is a great question. thank you. a lot of people don't know we did launch it. we continue to iterate on the free stuff as well that is available for everyone. you can navigate our entire graft, we have a new version, the apple store, coming soon, mobile version of that in the

next few months. >> crunch based tracks a lot of companies, almost every company that raises money. when is crunch base going to be on crunch base again? >> we are not in position where we need to raise, the best partner or two, and with us, those people, i have those conversations. >> among the features on crunch base, not to be a killjoy. i want to know about companies that shutdown a bursting bubble collapsing. some people say so. can you give me a list of companies that closed in the last month like right now?

>> and one of the ones we thought about doing, the f company list, you look for companies that close in the last 90 days, you see some interesting stuff. >> thank you for listening. we appreciate it. >> thanks for dressing up. we have an incredible lineup for you. our next panel is an amazing reminder of that. before we get started i want to remind you, we have a-mac here.

welcome to the stage megan smith and alexander macgillivray and our moderator, kate conger. >> i'm excited to be here today with megan and a-mac. we have a lot to get through from tech policy to open government to expanding access to technology so let's get right to it. when you first started out in government you talked about it feeling like the early days of the internet when no one knew what it was going to be but there was excitement about the potential, felt like 1997 or 1998. we are sticking with that timeline, where is government today? >> it is interesting, talking

about where we were back in 2008 as an industry and government itself, the stuff we were talking about, our job, the data, innovation and technology for the american people, and tech policy and modernizing government, and working on all of this, what is exciting, neither of us planned to go out there and collected us and incredible, and honor to do these things. encourage people to join, it is the beginning of digital government, in south africa, something the president started with seven countries and now it is 70 countries. ..

maybe 96 once in a while when it was still early, but we are on that path and we have an ipo that gets to the point that the american people really deserve. >> there still a lot of work to be done when it comes to bringing technology into government and you guys live three and a half, four months left. what are some of the projects that you are rushing to finish before you leave government? >> so we of the stuff is not just government projects is what

we as a broker people are trying to get done. it's everything from cybersecurity, tackling inequality, working hard on some of the more interesting longer-range things like artificial intelligence. all of it is tough we are rushing to get done. another great thing i would raise is some of these policies we've rolled out policies and now we're in the implementation phase. the federal source code policy is one where we really need help with the audience to make sure the pilot program we have in terms of open sourcing federally funded, federal develop software as successful as we did a pilot program in the next three years. >> are the projects that are going to be left unfinished for the next administration to take a look forward? >> that's the history of our country, the handoffs. the use of technology and tech innovation is at the core of, i mean, president washington started the army corps of engineers before the country was founded.

i was in boston, we were driving. we are john and adam gales -- abigail adams house. president obama gets the internet and has been pursuing an extraordinary job of polling in what we called teach you, like iq and eq. tech skills, all of us committed governor, there's over 400 people at compuserve in the civil service. the presidential innovation files, entrepreneurs and the whole sets of things. there's great work. also my favorite things going on is the social security minister just start doing coding book camps. we are 110 fans, federal employees go through coding book camps of this fall. employers are doing for weeks, 12 weeks. current employers are doing for weeks but how do we upgrade everybody's skills. the reference to history, it's a

work in progress so we started to we set up a lot of amazing things i will continue. goes will grow. ahead of u.s. digital services talk about how this navy s.e.a.l. i.t. works together with all of the cio and other leadership gains in agencies feels like a real thing at its daily. so how did in a as we transition set it up to live forever longtime. this is what they are up to. >> that also brings up the three parts of the cdos job. part one is building that capacity within government and taking a lot of the blogs are already there and trying to get them to scale. and then step two, the second part is that tech and other policy issues that come up in government which are important. number three is making sure we're capacity building throughout the nation to make sure more and more people of the opportunities that this crowd really enjoys. >> one of the things i and a policy written that's what touching on is something the

president and others give us as a resource, a new american resource. there's policy councils like the national security council, the domestic policy council, national economic council, incredible colleagues leaving those. we are in the office of science and technology policy. the added an extra policy convening called a tech policy task force. i am the chair. people like you jason goldman offer strategy. the white house i.t. teams, the federal cio, all the tech folks in the white house team are on the skills with our colleagues. that lets us lead a technical driven conversation like open source, ai, other topics so we can drive the best tech quality

we need and have real engineers of that called in the room as we decide policy. we want to make sure the policy is run by the best technical skills our government has and reach out to our own communities together with those and other topics and drive with the american people deserve. we have those americans are in r country. let's have them in our government. >> you've all these projects you're working on, open source, developing tech policy, international collaboration. we are a number of an election. are there any of these projects you worry about being undone by a future administration or things that might not see it through to completion? >> it's the fourth quarter. the president says great things happen in the fourth quarter. we have the baton so we're running as fast as we can. we are not involved in the election. these topics are so bipartisan. operating more effectively, higher quality service delivery,

the kinds of things the use of digital service team is doing together within the veterans administration for example. now it's gone from 45 minutes to 10 minutes to sign up for health care on a beautiful web app that isn't impossiblimpossibl e people to use. the kind of quality. congress has been doing some work about expanding usps and others. we are confident there's an executive order for the presidential innovation those who are doing amazing work on child welfare, in the department of transportation, across the board. this is an idea whose time is. it is the beginning of digital government. that will accelerate so we are confident whatever happens it will continue. >> that's great to hear. i wanted to ask you about the office of personnel management hack that happened last year. one 1.5 million records of government employees like yourself or lost. -- 21.5 million. what did you learn from this?

>> this is not something that you need to government. we've had more and more problems with cybersecucybersecu rity across our industry, across government, across the nonprofit space. it's something the president has been focused on. how do we get to the next level? we rolled out a cybersecurity national action plan, took concrete steps. one of the this was proposing in the twentysomething budget to make a huge fund, $3.1 billion revolving fund to help get me to some of the oldest legacy services and move them into more modern secure services. the thing i would stress, another thing we really needed as a country and as a world is growing many, many more cybersecurity folks. because if i were to say great, everybody, all the cybersecurity folks joint government, then the private sector would have this important out. we need to get more cybersecurity professionals all over. we need for the talent group to be more diverse.

we find the diverse teams are the best and cybersecurity is one of those places was important to diverse perspectiperspecti ves to tackle the problem and move forward. >> i think cybersecurity is one of those issues where technologists field a bit of tension or distance with the cover. they think the government is on the opposite side of the table when it comes to encryption their president obama was not south by southwest last year and he talked about trying to find a way to make a compromise on encryption, engineer a secure backdoor for encryptions that law enforcement can access. this is an issue we have struggled with. obama's said it was that something had the expertise to design. you have a little bit more engineering expertise. do you believe it's possible to design secure encryption backdoor? >> the first thing i would say, the premise of the question were on opposite sides i think is a little wrong.

the government and techies believe encryption is one of these 21st century models. it's one of the things that gives a defender this asymmetric ability to be better than and a doctor. that's great, something the government can't even the folks that spoken out on this and law enforcement believe is a will important foundational building block for what we do everyday online. the law enforcement committee has had many challenges with encryption and as a government our stance is we don't think legislators appropriate at this time but the issue of what are we doing boat as tech and going to go after the bad guys to make sure we can still protect the country, that's something there's no disagreement. that's something we all think is a good idea. that's how i would combat the problem as opposed to so much of the oppositional spirit one of the things that is great, secretary carter will be here, the work that is going on with integrating the community. the ti xcom accelerator, a

catalog national security and military leadership teams, talents, together with venture capital. there's so many topics in the security area. cybercom encryption are some of them. we need to keep advancing the skills and the quality and implementation skills across the whole federal government, across law enforcement, across our private sector. so having meeting points like that very important. he will probably talk more about that but it's one of the areas. i know you have some young women part of a let girls learn, the first lady is not girls built initiative and have been working on fabulous stuff but again more young men and women will meet on wednesday. nine added tens on coding

products. the more our kids are in active learning, coding, experiences in k-12 and at college as we adapt our college curriculums to have much more balance in computer science department. we want to make sure all of americans are doing that. it will deeply affect the quality of cybersecurity if we can broaden and get all the american going on the field so we know the diversity is better. >> do you think that collaboration between technology and government is the way to go after that collaboration we're going to find a solution with law enforcement? >> i think we'll find a lot of solutions. it's both maybe technology and government but also maybe tech people that his idea of a tour of duty generally is really important. for example, if we were talking in a group like had a legal conference and we're talking to colleagues and everyone was working in the industry of law in some form, a very large

number of this community would have clerked at some point in their career or be in pro bono in the nonprofit sector. what's interesting is to see, like i said, in the early days of internet the equivalent of digital government but to seal far behind we were. in terms of recent tech in the nonprofit sector, in state and local as well as federal. and how do we get our community to have a tour of duty? just like law, economics, fellows the rotating cover. let's have the tech folks rotate. not to take everyone in and built inside because we'll have all our contractors look more like the surgeon general. the surgeon general is not doing surgery when they're doing policy. we get the best people to rotate. that's what we want to do. we think it will have an extraordinary effect on both

modern service delivery that we're starting to see with the quality of products coming from that approach, policy choices, having tech folks, economist, almost like a university deciding policy together, not leaving tech for implementation later but as part of the architecture. the third area is how you capacity building the american people with tech higher, solving hard problems and have our community as part of the conversation, as part of our career tracks speed and this is something the president has been great at which is bring some is really strong technical people into government. i have the pleasure working with one of the experts and cybersecurity and on encryption in general. it's the right way to think about these problems is with a real grounding in the technical realities. >> you mention how important diversity is, bringing diverse people in, bringing diverse students into tech so that they're ready for that path when the time comes. you are the first female cto.

what can you tell our audience about how to diverse their company's? >> this is one of the great moon shots of the 21st century is however going to get all of the talent, the greatest asset of her country of course is our people, and the opportunity to play, the whole talent team is there any clue people in the opportunity that everybody deserves but also a lot of times people look at diversity and inclusion, they're thinking almost a charity agenda like i need to conclude you. it's a deep prosperity. battle isn't prosperity but we are seeing companies like intel and slack and others really step up and put in the short list of their priorities and talk about it at every executive meeting and really get out there. it comes to leadership deciding this is on the shortlist. of course, everyone across the industry has been pushing on diversity inclusion of something to do, but lots of times if you notice in your company if all of

the leadership has outsourced its diversity you're not going to get anywhere. those people are incredible but they are your coach and it's your job. one of the things we also know is that much of our challenge lives in unconscious and institutional bias. what am going to do to change our systems and training on ourselves to build technology to help us mitigate. a great example would be media. if you watch children's television or film and television, it's 15 to one boy programmers to go programmers on screen. why? it's not true of a balanced even, it's like five to one afford one. how do we give our hollywood teen the tools to see the bias they have? i was lucky to work with smart phones with the team that built macintosh with steve jobs. if you look at those photos, seven and for women. all the women are not in the movies and all the men have speaking roles.

the only reason one was joanna hoffman who just won the golden globe for the jobs movie. she's a physics grad from mit. she's an eastern europe, supertough. she was only one who would challenge steve and move things forward. her son said did you really i steve jobs assured quick she said jeremy, i have never ironed a shirt except one for you were late. this unconscious bias is all around us. the line in the movie about susan to sign off a graphical interface for the mac to begin windows that sits on their phones. the line is susan made a bag. this is not to. catherine johnson, the new film hidden figures is coming out so we need to fix the public record. we need to know black women calculated a trajectory for alan shepard and john glenn at the apollo mission. it's not been in the movies. we need help from hollywood, from media, ourselves, for the

wikipedia records that are not correct. >> i think that's great. a-mac ann beauchesne from twitter were you champion free speech as a core by of the platform, and now we are bill clinton talking about twitter being a birthplace for the all right movement and place for women and minorities are expensing harassment. how do you balance free speech with encouraging diversity with supporting minority candidates who might experience harassment or micro-aggressions as the into the industry speak was a great question. for the five minutes left i can completely tackle it. i think it's one of the hardest things we have to deal with as an internet community. we want many, many different

voices online. we want to hear from lots of diversity points. there's this worry that the internet has become weaponize to. it's not something as governor there's a lot for us to do but it's a fascinating problem, one that we as an industry have to tackle. and not one that i have already a solution on. there are lots of people doing really good work in this space but it's really important thing for us to focus on. >> the vice president has been doing an extraordinary amount of work around it's on us and things like campus sexual assault and cultural change. he was on the oscar stage with lady gaga talking that we need to change our culture. it's interesting to juxtapose that with a mini today in the white house on next-generation high schools included active learning to emotional intelligence and presentations that were people are doing in

this country to help our young people get the kind of tools they need to be covering these guys live 100 years. what are the tools they need to be adapted learned, creative to the national competitiveness, for the possibility of future that include getting a long across the board. these are things we are mindful of and driving hard. a lot of times the message we use is not unlike venture capital where you do scout and skip if you're looking for someone who is god solutions to these problems and trying to have them. an example of that work in technology, we found there were several jurisdictions who were already doing very interesting work with the data. an example would be miami-dade. they have gone from 7000 people in prison to like 4900.

they closed a prison and change how they were dealing with those with substance abuse disorders and mental challenges and opened a 12 bed civilization unit in the hospital to our incredible police officers have a choice when it's someone in that stay to take them to jail or taken to the emergency room. now they have an option and so of 50,000 calls that the police were trained on, only 100 night arrests. now we have camden, new jersey, doing interesting thing. it requires all of these tech skills and policy skills, amazing operational skills, police force. we have different ways to do this and we have a data-driven justice initiative launched over 25% of jurisdictions in the country are now participating in a biweekly cure learning conference call, and online community where there are crushing these great things. whatever topic it is, whether diversity inclusion, justice and learning, et cetera, we can use

these new internet network messages to try to bring the different people to the table and sal things faster. >> a great example of diversity of different areas for which the skills of the folks in this room will be useful to apply ex ord of the next step of the recent software the world. problems we're working on making real didn't scan and we need more technologists to comment on every their passionate about. that everybody is passionate about criminal justice, but figure out what your passion about and go make a difference in the space. >> i'm glad you brought up opened it because i was hoping we'd get to it. we are running short on time but one of the data sets i think americans have great over the last two years has been data on police killings and use of forced. when we are looking for this data right now we're having to

look to news outlets like the guardian who try to count these incidents as. can you explain some the challenge of had in releasing this data at the federal level? >> one of the great things is there's scout, scale. the leadership in dallas, in los angeles, we are all releasing use of force data, office and called shooting, sets of data. we have over 60 jurisdictions in the police data initiative. this is an open data transparency initiative that goes with a data-driven justice. it's more of an enterprise internal data questioning. these jurisdictions are committing to open these data sets and engaging the community which will include tech folks locally and nationally. started by a presidential innovation those noted the work that was going on in the country and having police leadership need each other and realized they could do that. so build a movement around

transparency, inclusion and the kind of data sides that helps us see where real challenges are. we hope to do that across every conflict. of course, all of us on our phones have weather data and mapping data. what you think of every agency as we release the opportunity project and release city software development kit. and great companies like redfin and zillow are stepping up. the opportunity scores. opportunity scores helping you know if you should look into place, how are the bus routes what was going on with jobs? so we really can bring the most passionate what the president and the south by southwest address was loved restaurant delivery outcome let's do that. and i need you have over your. if you need a policy another colleagues and it it's these har problems we had to die together in, boston just had an opioid

hackathons this weekend with her medical, technical all kinds of committees so let's dive into this stuff. >> i would love to stay and chat with you all day. i wanted to ask you one more question. you have spoken about government as a second act, and for all these amazing technologists who have entered the white house, what's the third act for you guys? what happens to you in genuine? >> i have no idea. we are heads down focus on completing our last part here, the fourth quarter. it's hard to even think about anything else. i'll take a breath, see my kids more. >> a-mac was talking about a recent piece about triathletes, and this idea of techies and others who would flow into the commercial private sector, techies he would flow into government, state, local, federal, u.n. will be meeting

next week so that's that. and then the nonprofit sort of sector. how do we get people flowing into those areas? i've always loved working on technology that can improve people's lives and technology that can reduce our impact on the plan. so very in line with the president's climate work. anything we can do around accelerating all the sectors as well as making sure that all people, back to the missing history come with the film hidden figures, she said she grew up in a very poor community and had she known, the woman she's plan, had she known catherine existed she might've been a scientist or a techie our others. let's make sure we're tapping everyone in the things like tektite and code boot camps, to make them creators and makers which is the president great hope. knowing that the american people

always get things done, that includes all of us and it makes us, just changes the whole future for our country and for the world. >> thank you so much for being here. it's almost an impossible task to make me feel hopeful about govern so thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and come work in the government. [applause] >> i hope that was exciting for you guys as it was for me. i've had a crush on megan smith for cover but please don't tell there. i'm sure she can't hear me now. are going to keep moving along because that would a little over so please welcome to the stage morgan debaun from blavity and megan rose dickey. [applause] ♪ ♪ >> hey, morgan, thanks t for joining me today. >> thanks for having me.

spent the stuff up her harrowing. between 2012-2014 the amount of venture funding that went to black women was less than 1%. i'm excited to be talking to you today. i think you are a true unicorn in the tech industry, a black theme startup founder and ceo. so tell me the last time you tried to come here. >> two years ago, blavity is two years old, to in change, when we first started blavity applied to get a scholarship to come to techcrunch disrupt and i was decline. i'm excited to be here for the first time to be on stage. [applause] >> give her a round of applause for sure. let's talk about visibility how important is it that you are up here right on stage as a black theme startup founder? >> i think being visible is part

of any startup life. you want to get press. you want to -- you want people to know which are working on. you want to be seen and i think for blavity specifically because part of what we do is educate and inform as a media company. it's important people know who i am and they know what we are working on. thinking about diversity in general and to start up diversity when like a lot of my messages some people, they are inspired by seeing an all black startup team, seeing a black founding team and me as a black female ceo. i think it means a lot. >> definitely. i'm going to keep talking about how your blog for a longer and then we'll move on. you recently, you were on the verge of closing a pretty significant seed round. what was that experience like for you? >> it's been a journey. media is hot and also not hot at the same time.

when i first raised our pre-seed, i realized i wasn't ready. i wasn't emotionally ready to go through that mental process putting myself out there every day, 20 meetings a week. so we stopped and for the major our metrics were aggressively overachieving for the stage we were in. we had almost a million something visitors with funding. once we got to that stage, i spent a lot of time trying to find partners and investors that a line with our mission. brought some really great people on board like the knight foundation, media ventures, macro ventures. now as to go into our feet around with you for our strategic partners and it's been an interesting winter i just finished a start of the last batch which was helpful. >> what do you look for in investors, especially in terms

of remaining authentic to the black community? >> i look for people who did it. you could tell in the first like five minutes of a conversation with an investor if they understand and agree with the premise that blavity is built on which black people influence culture, that they're underrepresented in tech and consumer tech products and, therefore, we have a blue ocean opportunity to build something interesting for the audience that is incredibly influential in our culture. >> you mention black people are underrepresented in the tech industry, across startups and big tech companies and probably even more so if not comparable in the venture capital industry. do you have any black investors? >> yes, absolutely. charles king, absolutely. that's part of how we have designed our team and that includes our advisors to make sure that it's reflective of what we care about. >> you previously mentioned he

did receive some criticism even from the black community. what is that about? >> i think because we are so visible, blavity is a media company so it's our job constantly to be creating content and pushing things out there. we also have a user-generated content platform a lot of our content is submitted from our user base and some of everything that goes up is going to be completely outlined with me personally or with other people in the community. so this conflict. there was an article that happened this summer and we started training on twitter because people were upset that article -- >> which article was at? >> it was about hidden color. it was about a netflix documentary, the guy behind it a lot of people don't agree with his personal statements. it was a tough day. >> how did you handle that? >> i listen to what people were

saying, that we talked to the writer, ultimate decided to take the article down. and then i explained why, what our process was and a little bit more about blavity as ill because our immediate company and there will be things that are not always aligned. >> was that the first time something like that had happened where you took down an article based on feedback from the community? >> it was. it was a tough like editorial decision. >> the you envision he might have to do things like that in the future or what is your process? >> unsure we will. we make so much content every day and as we go we will continue to put out a ton of content every day. i think it's about having a strong editorial team and having committee guidelines about what's okay and what is not okay. if something is flag it's not a surprise. >> blavity is all about creating relevant content for black millennials. how to determine what's relevant

to them or to us, jimmy? >> that's a good question. it surely about listening to what people are saying and enabling them to speak for themselves. so, for example, a lot of our writers are from all over the country. they are remote. they can write on any frequency. anyone at this point can sign up for an account. that's amusing we just launched today which enables anyone to greacreate content and put it un blavity. that helps us stay relevant where it's not just what's happening in the newsroom that morning. we'll move towards our editor looking to a lot of a high quality pieces of content, that you can't necessary just write off. needs research and needs to be validated, et cetera. the majority of the content that you see will ideally be from our users and will be relevant. >> what percentage of the content is from full-time staffers versus user generated?

>> 20% is from our editorial staff. >> also in terms of relevance, what have you done is relevant to black millennials? i wonder if you, are you just trolling black twitter, or what have you found? >> lack of twitter is amazing. our content ranges from essays, a lot of the pieces and reactions to what's going on. so if beyoncé comes out with an amazing album, and all the way to serious topics. so, for example, one of our committee members was a law student at harbor and they woke up one morning and saw tape of all the black law professors faces. instead of reporting back to cnn or "new york times" and summon, reporting on issue decide to write an essay and put up on the site and that's how the story

got out to the entire country. >> right. if someone goes to blavity.com they are dependent on the day i what's happening in the world, they might see some content about police shootings of unarmed lack people. what your editorial strategy around that kind of, around those we'll terrible events of? >> those are rough days. usually what we try to do is find people on the current industry who are participating as activists, protesters, and we try to give them the tools so they can tell the story from their perspective. we spend a lot of time working closely with different activists in making sure we are supporting and that we cannot distribute messages that need to get out. >> in the event that there is a video associate with a shooting,

or a murder, do you run those videos? >> we used to. we stopped. we usually do some sort of trigger warning and then link out to the video. as a community, as a black committee as a whole, i don't think it's helpful anymore. i think we know what it looks like. we don't need to see it again and again. >> personally i actively avoid those figures. i just know that i can't emotionally handle that sort of thing. although blavity aims to reach black millennials, i know of some people who are white who read the site. my boss, i won't mention his name right now, but he loves it. he out so he loves it. what do you want white readers to get out of blavity? >> i think that blavity's mission is to portray and create an opportunity for the diversity

of black the aspirant and energy and creativity to shine, to put the power back into our hands to decide what we want to talk about and how we want to talk about things. and so my hope with anyone that is engaging with a puff of is that they're open to perhaps changing their perception of what the black world and black interests and black is an black creativity looks like. i get a lot of, we have a daily theme that goes out. >> love it. >> super funny, you guys should all sign up. it's an automated e-mail what you signed up to its like hey, welcome. typical startup thing. but most people don't know that it's automated, so they respond. i get a lot of like white women in like kansas city who are like hey, and i am out to be your? i've got like a black child or grandchild or a teacher and i think it's fantastic. those are great e-mails he

received and i think speaks to the power that black gold is mainstream culture and it is accessible, and that blavity is something for everybody. >> i imagined in the white woman from tennessee, he told her that yes, you are allowed to read this site. site. >> absolutely. glad you were here. what's up? >> you mentioned earlier that today you've launched a new version of blavity. what's so special about this? >> blavity was original on wordpress and what we've seen in the last few years is that the blavity audience likes comets and shares about four times more than the average user. not only that they like to talk to each other. our comments section is like ridiculous. essays on essays. >> is it productive speak with all productive. >> that is not my experience here. >> at crunch? yeah, i think we've created this

cool space where people feel comfortable if people feel comfortable and feel like it's an invitation to have a discussion. we wanted to take that a step forward and build a platform that allows people to do that better, and then also most other users were on a mobile device, but 80% of visiting us on a mobile web a version of the site. we need to update it so it was a cleaner, smarter version of mobile. also enabling people to create content themselves and not have to go through our editorial team to get up on the site. >> you mentioned that you felt like you needed to first launch a media platform before it even really building on platform. why is that? >> to be honest i thought that, and i think it's true, i think i had to be exceptional before someone was going to take the risk from an investment perspective and say okay, they want to build is mega platform

social network media company hybrid. i've and non-technical ceo. i've got a cto desk and other cofounders year, fantastic, but we need to show we could build a really large audience. that was incredibly engaged i think ago to tell a compelling investment story. >> got it. and also as part of a company or what's happening in the last, in the next couple of months, you are launching afro tech. i will actually be there at that conference. what should i expect? how will it be different from disrupt? >> part of blavity's committee building strategy is events, a lot of media companies have had this strategy of creating conferences. we did one last spring called empower her which was for black

bulimia women and it was fantastic, sold-out, it was in new york and so as we think about how we want to move forward and build of these subcultures, i think technology in start up space is growing quickly. in the black community. there weren't any real moms weren't any real moments we could all pull it together. there are some fantastic startup ceos come some fantastic venture capitalists that are raising their own funds, raising black and latino funds. we wanted to create a space where they had a platform and we could leverage blavity's distribution, the energy of san francisco, kind of great it is great experience. but you can expect is discussions, fireside chats about success and tips that people have used to get to where they are. we will not have any diversity impact panels. panels. >> you will not have any? >> we will not.

we will talk about tangible tips and tools to get to the next level. >> nice. we talked about this a bit before but, so you're about to close a seed round. about how much money are you thinking speak with our total amount raised will be over a million, and we are super excited. that will be the fund, more engineers to build u out the platform and also to make more video content. >> great. blavity has great video content. i have been really impressed with it. in terms of the future of blavity, you've launched this new version of the site. you are having these tech conferences, doing original video. what else do you envision for the company? >> i think as we grow, we are going to learn a lot more about how black millennials specific engage online and that's going to give us access to a lot of data.

we are basing the company off the premise that black people influence culture, and so i can get a large enough a population of people engaging with blavity cut across our ecosystem, whether its web, mobile, in real life. we can create interesting insights about what might be happening, what are the things people are talking about, what's the pulse of the culture which will allow us to create a compelling marketing and content stored in the future. >> blavity reaches about 7 million millennials a month. what does that mean exactly? like where are you reaching them? on the website, social media? >> we reached about a million people on the website a month, unique visitors. and then we have five instagram accounts, three twitter accounts, facebook page. those are unique engagements of users. our total reaches around 30-40 million on being given month.

unique spot around 7 million people reached. >> i know you have a good number of partnerships. i believe google is a partner. >> not google. >> who are your partner's? >> we have content partners. teen "vogue." we've worked with change.org and discounted partnerships are usually around what an interesting demographic that may not have access to blavity's content, may be looking for an authentic voice, a black voice for the audience. so for teen "vogue" we will do article swaps and engaged there. we've worked with the white house on different things. >> what have you done with the white house speak with whatever they're doing, like black specific announcements. we will make sure we have access to that like when obama pardoned a bunch of prisoners this summer.

we had the original statements and thank you letters from some of them that were really on the site. >> in your experience with blavity, what's been the hardest challenge? you've gone from bootstraps to now being funded by institutional investors. >> the hardest challenge has been building a public. it's a very intimate company. we are building something that is a direct reflection of problems that i face, that my team faces, they do this, that our audience faces. there's a lot of emotion did everything we do and create. it's a beautiful thing because that's why we have grown so quickly. i think it also is a difficult because i opened myself up to criticism. anytime you released anything, people can come up with a very valid arguments. i think it's made us stronger

and more resilient. it personally has made myself more resilient and open to feedback. it's tough sometimes. >> right. and blavity covers a lot of heavy topics. how do you ensure our foster the emotional stability of yourself and your writers? >> i think like self-care and being really flexible, so people can work from home if something is happening. we'll see you are welcome to work from home, just check in if you don't feel like coming into the. personally my cofounders, we all went to college together some known them for seven plus years. some of them are in the crowd. if there are days where i am like i just can't deal with it today, like right now i will call them and we support each other that way. i think for any startup, ceo go to this process it is emotional during an very difficult. you have to be proactive and take care of yourself. >> i appreciate your work and am

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please welcome to the stage our next moderator jeff lawson and frederic lardinois from twilio ♪ ♪ >> it seems like we've done this before. >> a little déjà vu. >> it is. the last time we did this was that disrupt london last december, at the end of the conversation we talked about how you might ipo some point in the future when the time is right. since then you have ipo. what led up to that? why was the time right at that point? >> it's interesting. for us we always said leading up to going public was that job number one is to bully company that is capable of going public.

and is worthy of going public. that needs great customers, great product, predictability. all the governance and all the kind of stuff you need to do. so we have been doing those things that really because doing those things help you build a great company. that was step one. the other thing i would say is i think we made a lot of decisions along the way that a onto produe a lot us to a lot of flexibility in when we decided to go out. that's one of the pieces of advice i have given to some entrepreneurs sense, is that when you make decisions along the way like, for example, the kinds of investors you bring in and that what terms and all that kind of stuff, you want to maximize for future flexibility. i trust that met not raising money at crazy valuations. it didn't seem like they were in line with historical norms or raising money with terms that could limit you down the line,

such a exchange is anything but like absolute perfect. we always optimize decision-making around what's going to give us the most future option. this isn't a favor because in a year when a lot of companies haven't been able or have one to go public because of some of those things like reality had to catch up with previous fundraising rounds, we had the ability to go out. and then at this point it's like, a state were able to do that. >> you were the first of the unicorn companies this year in the silicon valley tech company to ipo. that took a lot of guts maybe. why did you feel you are the right to be at that time to go out? >> i start by saying why go public in the first place? actually it's not really exclusively a matter of why go

this year, but really why go at all? then you can ask why this year versus the future. if you raise venture capital you really are making a commitment to investors you could give them a return. if the businessworks topic that means getting acquired or going public essentially. >> did you have the option to get acquired? >> we were always focus on building a visit for the long-term. >> that's a non-answer. >> that's one, why go public is because you raise money and essentially you have signed up to give investors a return. the second thing for us, i believe and we've always build in this company the notion that trust is the number one thing you sell as a cloud company. that can be software is a service, but even more important as a developer platform. you were saying customers, trust us with your application. trust us, built on top of us, we

will keep delivering for you. the best way to deliver on trust and to show that customers should trust you i felt want it is great things you can do is actually become a public company. for two reasons. first of all business is a bigger everybody can see the details of your business and now that you're committed to it, and now all these things and number two is people know that public companies are run as tiger ships than private companies as a general rule. you have to be. that should also help engender trust which our customers. so those two things, when i think going out at a time when not a lot of companies are going out is a fine thing to do because that will also continue to accelerate our trust with our customers and our leadership in this market. >> did you get any pressure from your investors that it was about time to ipo? >> no. they were fantastic.

it was completely unmanaged call about when to go public. >> talk to me about the timing of this. it was june 23 that you didn't ipo. that was the day before the brexit. didn't have any influence on decision making? it was no spite it was coming. we did know what -- >> you look at the tiny windows. this is what is you go public and all sorts of events of when your quarter as but also investors are available. you can't go public on the fourth of july. there's these windows when timing works out between the market and the company, and when we look at this window, we have not taken brexit into account. i'm not even sure if it's like we did notice it or the brexit date wasn't set yet but there was a moment when we basically looked at this time and somebody said oh, shit, the brexit vote is that they were going to be pricing. we just said what?

that can't be good. because you want stability. you want things to be normal as much as possible when you ipo. we moved our ipo up to date, the pricing event. we price the day before brexit. by the wa way the whole family p to what said this is not issued. this is going to fizzle. and then the day of, oh, my god i'm glad that we moved it up a day because like the whole world just got turned upside down. turns out for like two days and it was back to normal but who knew that was going to happen speakers worked out all right for you guys bill. the stock was up 90% on the first day, so it was all right. what has that changed the as the company now that your public? how do you go about your business differently? >> nothing changes. i think you let the existence of a visible stock price change how you think about building the

company, then you are destined for problems. that's the short answer and that's what we tell internal all the time. our business is to control the things that we can control, customers, topics, revenue. and the market does what it's going to do, but that's mac. i liken it to, let's say you're playing a game of basketball. i don't know why. basketball but i did. you're running up and down the court and the scoreboard is just randomly changing numbers. pretty quickly you lose interest in this game if you're paying attention to the scoreboard. that's essentially what being public is. >> you are not look at the stock price everyday? >> no. that is mac. over the long-term revenue customers, products, those are the things that create valley. but there is so much. >> moderator: that it has nothing to do with the company. you can believe when the stock

price doubles come you're twice as good as you were yesterday. when the stock price gets cut in half your half as good. on the way up if you drink the kool-aid, we are amazing, the danger there is that eventually everything has gravity. it will go down soon and you eventually suddenly your horrible. you can't have people in the company, employees thinking that way. that's too much of an emotional roller coaster. what you have to really recognize is that any sufficiently short period of time it's out of our control. >> has that changed anything for you personally? you've made a few dollars out of this at this point. you still own a large part of the company. >> first of all, when you go public you don't generally sell anything there. nothing has changed for me.

i began this is another pitfall. if you look at the stock price and you're constantly trying to ascertain the personal impact of that, again you will go crazy and you will focus on the wrong things. because again that's not reality. so you focus on business and to focus on what matters, customers, revenue, employees, products. those other things over the long period of time when actually -- that's something that will impact that over the long-term. >> all right. one thing i love about companies going public is that they do not to disclose some numbers. 200 pages. i read through all of those but one number that stood out for me was how important a very small number of companies are for your revenue. like whatsapp alone account for about 17% of your revenue in

2015. the less over the last six month. can companies alone make up around 30, 31% of your revenue? does that worry you? >> it's pretty common for b-to-b companies to have other customers as well. it's been very consistent throughout the history it's been about 30% of revenue coming from our top 10 and that's been consistent. whatsapp, we don't put them in that category as much. they are what we call a variable customer. which is the usage goes up and it can go down but is not, the way we do business with whatsapp is a different from the way we do business with nearly every other customer. we have nearly 30,000 active customers in nine with his variable behavior with their usage goes up and down the rapidly. we focus on our employees, our team and the customers. they are the reason why we wake up in the morning. then we have this crazy over

here which is our variable customer base. >> a very lucrative gravy. you must want to get a few more of these big whales on your board. >> let's separate whales from gravy metaphors. by nicely. of course we want a customers and happy customers and customers have a lot of predictability to have to do business with us. we don't go out of our way to fight a more customers you are going to be large and unpredictable. that's the distinction that we make between the variable customers, wherein their usage of us essentially can vacillate pretty big, pretty large, and customers for whom we have got a very nice case, consistently grows in line of the business. we are more focused on the latter. >> but still you did release the enterprise plan earlier lastly, are there this month.

so you are going after the bigger and price customers, which is different from your regular model of really selling directly to developers. >> i don't think it is. what we are already seeing in our customer base is that the focus on developers pays off in a wide variety of customers. so developers are becoming influential in every kind of organization. because every company is having to now build software in order to differentiate in the market. software has moved from the back office to the business while of nearly every company. ..

top gun sales that has not been in with my developers, bringing in a tool to use to solve a job. what you still need to clear our hurdles around regulatory, legal compliance, et cetera and that's what an enterprise product does. when the developer and a large bank as a security or complaint that has waned me to have auditability. we need to have a single sign-on. when you have all these different things in place in the enterprise allows the organization to say we have all the things we need in order to make sure we can go to production and be successful at scale. >> or your increasing your sales

force? >> we've had a salesforce for a long time that has helped customers adopt. what we are seeing is of course in the large enterprise or developer will bring a sin, but often times you need a salesperson to close that. what is interesting is this isn't your typical heavyweight with lots of golf and shenanigan. it's not that kind of traditional enterprise. it is a relatively light touch developer led approach. when the developer delivers the prototype and then they show it off internally and say i've been playing around with ideas, let me show you in the business has well that's great, let's put it in front of customers, and i've got some compliance or security conversations to have. and said it had been let me walk in with early sales collateral is all i have to tell you about.

put me up against five other competitors who will all do our responses on this whole thing you're the one where the developers already built the thing and show that it works, that is the lowest risk of at least friction in our sales team is there to help the developer in many cases navigate their own organization and how they buy to get the prototype turned into a trial in a full production rollout. >> let's talk about the long tail as well, the other 30,000 users who have on the platform. how can you keep growing. how can you give more of those guys onto your platform. the >> we announced in may we have a million developer accounts which is a metric we are really proud of. but you have to realize there's 20 million developers in the world. that number is growing. the number is 25 million by 28

team. you've got a very large number of developers and we are focused on our developer outreach, getting into new communities and developer communities arranged geographically, getting also investing in communities not around geography, but allowed around languages and deeper into the java community, deeper in the microsoft community come in deeper into the ways in which developers identify and learn from each other. our goal is to become a part of those communities and that those developers know and what we got a million developer accounts million developer account today with obviously got a lot of headroom because a lot of software developers in the world in the number is growing as the world becomes dependent on software.

the nike tights about geography. what about the chinese market which is exploding. the >> we don't do a lot of business in china on the domestic market in china today. that's a really hard decision because there's a lot of reasons to say that there's a large market, a lot of money to be made. but at the same time, look at what happens to uber going into china, the fact that amazon retail i don't think it's in china. 20 plus years after they founded the company there's a reason for those things that it's a very high market. it's not like a lot of other markets where you can run your playbook and higher people locally and figure it out. it will be a huge time investment that you may not see any return. so being very deliberate in your decision is important. very few success stories of technology companies going to

china that people point to. added to that continually get pointed towards. that's it. there's not a lot of success. >> let's switch gears and talk about product as well. one hot topic and messaging his boss. developers want to use than what is your take on this type? >> are taped is best summarized by her conference back in may or a little video which basically went bust, boss, boss. there's a lot being said. we are not sure what the substance is behind a lot of it. you just say to the word and it gets people's attention. the killer app for messaging i

believe there is a much better killer app for messaging and that his contacts. it is really an iv experience just overtaxed. they aren't there yet to make a not frustrating. we make it there a content is amazing at. >> when you say content? >> messaging is a great way to consume content. coverage of the olympics was really cool. this is a not powered by julio. "the new york times" covered the olympics. they pushed a story a day. another example here is purple, a really cool company doing it daily news story initially about

the election, but pushy via messaging. what is made about it is there's two things. one is it's very personal. "the new york times" coverage wasn't "the new york times." it was sam at the news desk giving you his experience being in rio. that is a really cool experience which is different from a publication playing these stories. messaging is allowing for it to feel like you're texting with a friend who happens to be consuming coverage from a major publication and intimacy is a cool natural part of the channel. purple does a great does choose to own adventure, what happens in the election today? if you want to learn more you can drill down into that and go further and further. and the choose your own adventure in style and content is really very engaging and i

think that this coupled with more corporate news pieces, but you sign up and they send you a message that says thanks for signing up and learn more about this feature applied a similar bar about that feature, apply.and you can self-select learning more about a product or service that is an engaging form of content better than just getting bland or drippy male or re-targeted ads or whatever. it's an engaging way for a brain to interact with a cuss number using content, but also choose your adventure way for people self-select what they want out of that experience. i think that is killer and available today. >> already. we are out of time. the next time we will talk about what you did to make it better. [applause]

>> at their level of discourse? to be deteriorating and the be deteriorating and the shouting matches increasing and so on, it seemed like a particularly important time to talk about a show that really value civil discourse, civil debate between people who disagree with each other.

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>> former homeland security secretary michael chertoff with threats posed by isis and other terrorist groups at other speakers include state department official and head of emergency management for the city of washington d.c. this is an hour. >> beauty beauty and welcomed stephens council on foreign

relations meeting. domestic security and a devices. i can't imagine anything more relevant for pricing at this point in time. as a journalist, i'm very happy to say this meeting is on the record so you can use it end quote it and i'm sure we'll all believe he was with much my waist and that we arrived with. if you have a cell phone or any personal device if you could not only muted a bit turn it off if you would because the signal interferes with the wireless microphone. that would be fantastic. i was sort of guide the conversation for the first half-hour or so in turn it over to audience questions for half an hour. billiton and reporting in the soviet union was stalinist efficiency who will be out of here at 7:30 sharp. this is an absolutely distinguished group of experts today. michael chertoff, executive

chairman of the chertoff group. next ahead as christopher geldart direct chin -- thank you very much. to my far right, a very long and distinguished public service career but not the most important thing on her resume issues and admin of a senior fellow here at the council of foreign relations. their full bios are in your orientation packet. i learned a lot from the military ms generals in the audience to say that i've learned that problems understanding the world divided into tax goal, operational and strategic. i'd really like to get to the most pressing tactical questions ahead of us and that is dated january 25th which lynn spears had come a change in the presidency again and the time of isis today.

professor geldart, you can't talk about the planning that's underway? what you see as the greatest risks and what keeps you up at night question. >> so it will be 51 more days of no sleep and then we will be there. my staff show up at me all the time that i have account down going on counting hours, minutes and days until the actual inoculation. this is going to be an interesting one brief scene some pretty large inoculation in the last 10 years. some of the largest while. we are planning the number for crowds saying there's no statistics that go behind the empirical data that was pulled for that. we've looked at the inauguration, president obama from 2009, kind of pick a middle

ground and said this'll be good for us to start the plan before we had a president elect. making sure we have the right things in place to handle that kind of crowd is one thing. the other is we have a lot of folks that want to express their first amendment rights and where the district of columbia and we do that. we are here for folks to do that. we are used to doing it. we expect to have quite a bit of that happen on the 20th of this year and afterwards as well leading up to, during and after. the crowd control measures can keep me up at night, making sure we gave everybody a fair opportunity to express their rights and keep it peaceful and keep those discussions and things they want to get across and it peaceful and safe manner for everybody to be there. the 20th is the day and that's a very important thing for democracy, for our nation and that peaceful transfer of power

is really what we're doing to make sure we have it peaceful transition of power. >> the physical security, and the rest of the cure have witnessed keeping apart the demonstrators does there for other reasons. just got a little bit of the invisible when you're doing. intelligence gathering, threat assessment, that kind of thing in the age of isis of course. >> here in the district of columbia you look at ways in which we work so closely between state, local and federal and those of you live here live at me in the 51st state in the district of columbia. we have to share a very good relationship with our federal partners. sharing of information and intelligence, doing joint threat assessment is that thing we do all the time. getting information from the fbi and dhs and we don't have the issue here.

and we share a very good relationship to share information. likewise, social media is a huge aspect for us going through social media and understanding in the things that will happen or could have been to work with organizers of groups and have a better plan. just last week on wednesday i sat down with a group that will comment. looking at all those things, sharing information and working with partners to the national park service to the fbi and the secret service, all that are here come the federal protective service is a real good working relationship. >> and curious what the hindsight, if you can look at your years as secretary, you

learned, correct me if i'm wrong, but for one inauguration there was a threat stream from overseas that was quite worse than to dhs. can you give us a history lesson? >> in 2000 that we were coming up on the first inauguration that was going to occur whether it be changing administrations after september. we were acutely aware of the issues posed by terrorist. we actually inoculated secrets service protection at a very early stage. we didn't know whether that was going to excite a lot of crowds and we were going to have maybe more people than would normally have been in inauguration. we didn't know if it would excite any bad behavior. we spent an enormous amount of time but the district with the surrounding counties that the federal state and local level

working through all the elements which includes traffic management. how do you make sure if there has to be an evacuation that the evacuation routes are clear? how do you make sure you have crowd control and not have people become excited or aggregated. all of that was part of it. in fact, i offered my successor. i would say if you want me to, through the dead so that 1:00 you don't have to have the middle of the event. you will breathe the reviewing stand and head over to the operations center. she and the incoming president. there wasn't reasonably credible specific information that came in from overseas. we monitor it for a couple days. we checked a few things out. we look at a few people and

happily at about 1:00 in the afternoon, nothing to worry about. that's the kind of thing you have to be concerned about. not only terrorist threats, but dealing with large crowds of emotionally into people. >> of a good move for the tactical to the operational and strategic that we were talking before about the incredible challenge of the self radicalized. we talk about the threats being from overseas. 9/11 this country has bought fast apparatus working with allies, but the man or woman at his or her computer becoming self radicalized about giving evidence or indication anywhere, how were we evolve into combat that and do you have confidence we will be more than just lucky. >> i divide after 9/11 from before.

terrorism 1.0. that was largely al qaeda. it was focused on large relatively complicated high profile large resale thought spirits who some degree the micromanager that is the people in the plots and make sure they were truly committed and reliable. there is a lot of local activity with money, communications and people. we configured our apparatus to catch those plots by looking for the signatures you get when you have a lot of movement from one country to another where you're using a lot of communications and it's worked quite well. we've not had a successful large-scale terrorist attack in the united states since september 11th. some of you know in 2006 there is a very serious blow up about 10 airliners coming from the airport where they can't bring this onto an airplane but the liquid bomb plot. but now they seem to point out

in 3.0. the smaller group thought are planned but not as elaborate we saw mumbai in 2008 and last year and often where what we find is the people involved have been criminal background or some prior association, but the focus is much more not on the international spies and satellites, but the local community awareness. social services, even members of the community. some people call the lone wolf. sometimes not even a communication how we have had a terrorist group, but they kind of declared and carrying out their attack. it is kind of a psychological issue.

that is where mental health officials, family members and community people are more likely to see them. if you look at the orlando shooter, i gathered his coworkers before he actually went up the attacks. so part of what we need to do is tune ourselves not just into the big cia intelligence community type focus, but the community level, community policing, local officials, community members, teachers, how many to construct a way for these people to raise their hands and alert us when intervention is needed. the lesson i will tell you a sometimes it has to be something other than a criminal justice system. the hardest thing has got to be for a parent whose child looks like they are getting kind of crazy to call up the authorities. it does happen. abdulmutallab when men and reported his radicalization to the state department and somehow

that got lost. a lot of time to post a parent in the dilemma. is there a way to enlist the community for sun responsible group to intervene before it has to be someone goes to jail situation so you can maybe redirect a person beginning to head down a dangerous path. >> we spent a lot of time talking about community involvement. what are the tools you would be lucky not to combat this problem right now? >> was secretary chertoff is talking about is we are looking at a time 15 years after 9/11 when we have learned quite a bit about how some of its radicalized. i push back a little bit on the terminologies lone wolf. that is not as accurate as it might be. i also think that implies complacency that there's nothing we can do. it just happens over there. we will move ourselves from the process of what is actually happening. the secretary chertoff said is

correct. it's not just the city of boston or one suburb. it is even more local than not. we need to really be looking at the domestic map with all 50 states and going all in. we as a country need to prepare ourselves for even those numbers are quite small and people who get radicalized in this way for these kind of terrorist groups compared to other threats that we face. the numbers are not the same but the impact is different. are we executing an awareness on the ideological piece that means every part of the community is applied in the south and have we given school teachers the information that they need to be able to understand what's happening in the classroom, to talk about these issues, to give cal lwin needed and how parents were needed.

have we provided the kind of infrastructure that needs to take place on the mental health as it is an outlook that is not a 9-1-1 or the local police community. are we understanding what is happening with nonprofit organizations and community groups that actually really care about protecting young people and how really great ideas on how to fortified those resilient , how was given its nonprofits to kinds of things we need to execute the way they need to. what we now 15 years after 9/11 as government as important as it is can't be that credible act to stop the 16-year-old boy or girl from moving down the moving down a path is above them towards an isis like organization. so what do we do in between? i would argue if we create a comprehensive approach, not just look at cities that could be problematic, but all 50 states

going all in with the money we need so community is dead at and learn from the kinds of things that we've seen whether it's in paris or orlando, what didn't work? where are the black holes and how do we fill them? we've never gone about constructing a domestic security plan that has all of this element and here's the part that's so important in scale. they are one off everywhere. we haven't been able because we haven't had the money and we haven't had the kind of leadership for both community and government to say this is what we need and this is a threat because my view is the solution is available and affordable. >> is a dynamic tension that's always there. but money, the leadership has to come from the government. in these communities they welcome the secretary of homeland security by but they

also know perhaps the fbi or police are monitoring. i would love to hear your thoughts on math and also a thoughts on not an also hope they sat in the national capital region which is significant and very important muslim american community. >> there's one law enforcement and clearly that is needed. for groups like i groups like a fish that are preying upon muslim years, but its remember there's only 6 million muslims in america appeared the number will double by the year 2030 and the young kids growing up in an environment that most than in two mentality has increased in the last few years. we have a responsibility as americans to help other american young people get perspective from an ideology coming from the out side and growing within. this isn't because we haven't paid attention. it is because we haven't been able to build up in scale the resilience. that is to your point.

look, everybody knows that local communities can make the difference yet we keep asking muslims to get involved in this fight. i asked the question great, that's wonderful but how are you helping them do that? you expect moms and dads who have full-time jobs to come home at night and patrol what is going on. you expect community groups to do this when there's no money for them to get paid. we are looking at this like a threat. if we really are serious about protect being and we've got to construct the infrastructure so that the young people are protected and have credibility and know what they are doing and can do what they know. >> christer of the national capital region and what do you need? >> will take it from a district perspective having this job now coming up on five years.

this is a very big issue in the muslim community that we're talking about it when you look at the city writ large in our big cities across the nation right now, violent itself is growing so much and so fast. so when we've looked at the overarching issue, with that kind of violence issue not just in terms of the massive preparedness. we are the kinetic terrorism perspective and how we provide that teams of services from a different agent needs to go into communities when we feel there is an issue from the radicalization, but more along the lines here when pilots have been. how do you engage the entire communities so you don't see a cycle of violence that happens which is usually what goes on and there will be a shooting where the family of the big 10 then work on the radicalized but the conversation we are having to go commit or violence.

here in the city under our former chief of police and our current interim chief of police good teams together with both the social server-side in the mental health service side and the law-enforcement community to go win with the the families of both sides, both the perpetrator and the victim and work with them to stem the cycle of violence that it doesn't give you to turn. those kinds of targets or what we are looking out for the overarching issue. when we talk about the money in cities, there's not all that money to do all the different services. we have to look at how we take things that are working for once dilution and robin not just a little bit to look and multiple solutions. we do the same thing within our muslim community, within our african community here, within our hispanic community here because you only have to go back so far and we fight a lot to

keep it from coming back into communities here. it is really looking at how do you provide those full circle services from all those agencies working as a team within those communities to do that when you have the understanding this is an issue. >> it is nonpartisan as it should be, but she can't separate some of the rhetoric that was heard across our nation building the wall, and a muslim registry. what country are you from? how does this make your job more difficult and what should be done now to move this country to a place where it's not so polarized. i can imagine how these statements are following on the ears of the 16-year-old you are

talking about. >> i would say the ideology that matters is the idea is us and them and cumulative extremism's make an impact because he changes to keep us of where you live. the young american kid grows up and thinks of himself as the other whether their heritage or whatever that happens to be, it has to crisis of identity. and we know that young muslims who have grown up are dealing with the point where a positioning of trying to find out more about hot to be more overt muslim, the bad guys in that base. they prey upon these kids. it makes a difference in my work in a big way. but our country sends up who we are, but we demonstrate that there is no us and them, but

everybody has equal rights under all the things we come back we'll add value to my work i do to your kids from getting recruited because it fortifies our system and then you ask another question and what can we all do? i'm not going to be pollyanna to this crowd and say can we all just be friends and do more there is a foreign policy crowd and we have to do that in the local communities in which a two each other. but how could impact how we were received abroad. there is no distinction between the ideologically spread globally creative conflict. if you're in a country that looks back at our sense has are not respectful of christianity

or judaism or whatever that might mean for somebody of a different race, different creed and they will begin to move in a direction we don't need them to move because it builds a movement that will make different stuff here at home. >> i agree. overstating it the whole ethnic group as an enemy places the answer for recruiting because basically a recruitment pitches you are not welcome where you are. where were you in your religion and therefore you have to enlist and that is not to muslims. we are seeing a rise of identity and nationalism around the world, certainly europe and the united states. many cases you see the argument. our group is not getting care. you have to defend your camp and whoever it is.

it is pernicious and works overtime to deal. i agree at the local level as you get to know people who are not of your own background and shows that tends to create a much more sense to wait a second we are more alike than we are different. programs that encourage that is also about leadership. i remember anton 9/11 president bush went and there were two statements. one was we will bring the perpetrators to justice to them sent over the smoldering world trade center. the second was when you're not up war with this, we are at war with a certain group and that is what we will focus on. that was important to hear from the leaders to make that distinction from the leaders. they bring our country together

and begin to reduce the conditions that promote violence and send that message out. >> with your fingertips on the national region, have you seen the rhetoric of the campaign changing the, your job more difficult? >> it is hard not to see that but across the nation. a lot of folks came off of this with questions of what now, what today. the president came out with a great speech and said the suns, today and they will come up tomorrow and we continue on. that is again great rhetoric and great speech to put out there. i will go back and the slogan out there is we are pc and we are a community. we are a group of folks who live in this area and share common on whatever we have with disasters

or emergencies or a snowstorm last year. parking is a check on your neighbor. that's the last thing i leave on a press conference is now its your time to go check your neighbor. are they good? do they have the things they need? a sense of coming together as americans have neighbors that are right to us. that is what we need to do around us is to say, you know, we had an election, but i'm lucky enough to have a secretary to make sure we are doing the right things for him. it doesn't matter where he voted or what his political views are. although it has created a lot of anxiety and the hope is that folks can see that and say this is my neighbor and what will go on, the sun will come out tomorrow and we will go through

the transition of power. i'll be able to express my views if i so choose to to be a there again to protest or whatever you want to collect all be able to express my rights because that's what makes this country great. but at the end of the day we are all americans. >> i will close the moderated portion this. intensely over recent weeks. i remember speaking to defense secretary rumsfeld and myers had to tell audiences that just because rumsfeld said something doesn't automatically make a broad and this is something that was incredibly insightful. i covered his confirmation hearing and he liked to remind people the word afghanistan did not come up once in his confirmation hearing in early 2001. so i would ask our three experts, what is the problem that is around the corner for this president but whose name has not even been uttered yet

not digging around the corner? >> for me i think about the demographics with one force of the planet that's not fun and nearly a billion that are under the age of 30 and i think about what happens after i says. we know what they are, what they stand for and there will be some pain after isis and will be manifested in a way we cannot yet imagine. what i think about around the corner and are we prepared ideologically and the soft power status for the war that we have yet to fight. >> she gave a great answer on that one because that's actually what my thoughts were. with the size of the muslim population, we need to look at it as much as we do here. so what is around the corner with that? my hope is we can actually take

the lessons we have learned to not repeat those mistakes that we may have made and be able to have the 3.0 is the secretary was talking about, but much less of an issue at this country or around the world doesn't have been. that i do think that the ability for the world to do its crisis management needs to improve and continue to improve sellable at least be better than that as we move forward. >> is going to save demographics, too. i have a bit of an additional twist to it. an area not discussed much is what america. it tends to pop up when we see an uptick in mass migration. they are really almost than government and where we had sent back gangsters and i want to get not properly controlled. you have people fleeing not,

plus there's good news out of colombia and a peace agreement. brazil is now reeling with the number of corruption scandals. not clear what venezuela is going to do. if people are in fear of their life, they're going to run. if someone's got a gun at your back a mere going over the wall. we need to think about the failed states their beaks stayed in the middle east, but also -- >> just a quick sign from the chair. he's now at the fletcher school. he didn't create the word. he popularized the word convergence, which is the coming together of all these issues have not america the foreign terrorists that making common cause with the cartels. >> we had a little bit of that, which began with a started out

as a terrorist group and then they started charging for protection and wound up actually working with them. in many ways the serious transnational criminal groups by as much a threat to government as terrorist groups. you will see groups that literally controlled the government. it's only a short distance away before gigs or books in the mirror and says i'm not a gangster, i'm a political leader and they come up with some half baked ideology. the whole issue of transnational organized crime, transnational terrorism, not state that there is increased in the able to leverage technology situations than money, i ain't that is really the next big security challenge and it addresses a different set of issues traditionally dealing with nationstate adversaries although i might add between russia and china we had to do with those issues.

so at this point i am by council members to join the discussion. there are microphones on both sides. i ask you to identify yourself, speak into the microphone and there are so many here and i do remind you that this is on the record. >> kim does share with "the daily beast." i am going to start with a little bit of an obnoxious question. we've heard some great ideas here tonight about sending the community -- sending the teams that communities after an incident with outreach to communities to make them feel, to make you feel part of the fabric of american culture. it spent eight years of an obama administration. what has been the main obstacles for keeping this from happening? >> do you want me to jump in? a couple things. one is silas tart with really good. we are now at the end of the obama administration where there is a process within their

interagency to actually look at the ideological piece and it's run on the dhs and that's where it should be run. you have a report to secretary johnson talks about how much money we need to have a domestic plan to fight groupthink isis, $100 million for asking for in the next fiscal year. it took us time to get to a place where we're able to talk about the ideological side. the downside of what happened over the last eight years is that the years for anyone to begin to talk about the ideological components. everybody started off thinking it's all about power, not about soft power. and here is the final point. i think the biggest problem is going to be a huge one for the next president. the soft power tools that we have in our toolbox. it was part of 2006 national security strategy became on of the bush administration defines

cbe, countering violent extremism is a war of ideas for soft power peace, everything that is non-kinetic. somehow in the last eight years, everybody believes cbe is everything from building a school to watching the weather to police force. with mixed everything up. in my view, the weakness then becomes how you get the actors that need to be able to do it in the pure form as we began it and what we understood it to be done and to get them to scale up with that money that i hope comes from congress to be able to allow dhs to move forward from the community engagement division at dhs. >> i will was going to add to that that we do think you have to wait for the federal government. you've got to get each community, each state, each locality have to have its own plan about how it's going to do

with this. far too often you find a criticism that everybody talks about these issues while waiting for the president of congress to act. you don't have to wait. that's not to be the of the federal government. frankly they use them as laboratories for wild birds could create a model. >> is actually some follow-through and sustainability. the cairo speech president obama gave was one of his finest pieces of rhetoric. if you look at one specific promises were made and a specific deliverable for me to have to give him a very poor grade as a squandered opportunity. >> i will tell you having worked at the department, which is all about implementation, speeches and was a great it is not the end of the tour. >> for that matter, we did a local level because we wanted to keep it down.

we want is safe for the residents here. we are growing at a huge rate, so we put something in place and looked at that and said we can expound on this and take it into areas to go encounter violent extremism. you go across the border in montgomery county and they are doing something different. exchanging those ideas is to the kind of work they are in this kind of work here. how you share those ideas brought it to the policy level to say here is a set of tools that can be used across the nation so like areas like the district of columbia, other cities, l.a., new york can look and say how do i do with a dead and adapt because that needs to be done. it's not a one-size-fits-all. >> didn't mean to interrupt. i would add one more thing. there hasn't been the vision to

understand all the. we've been looking up the thread from the land talking domestic now at dhs, which is an important one. but there are other departments and agencies in our government that promotes a play. hhs, i could doctors. why is it taking a long time to get to a place where we talk about integration. that's been a failure in my view. the idea of what is possible. we are the most innovative nation in the world and we haven't applied ourselves to this issue but the kind of resilience, leadership and innovation. where is scaling up where we are? it's absurd we are having this conversation. we know what is to be done. one of the failures has been in my view position and secondly the professionalization of this fight. the kinds of actors in our government, most of them who are wonderful former colleagues. their heart is in it.

they need to do it, but not all of them have the skill set to do the things that need to be done on and off line. when i think about what we need to do to build the kind of plan domestically to stop the vast majority of young must one's from finding this ideology, we aren't even beginning to build that plan out the way we really showed. >> you're raising the strippers in my mind and spending time inventing pokémon go and other social media with micro-targeted ads. why can't the people who are doing this start to think about how do we went certain kinds of behavior is occurring online, why can't we send ads or connect people and broaden their apertures? one of the complaints now if you live in your own world where you only deal with people like my day. what if the person selling your

stuff also try to give you connection or perspectives that were a little broader. sir, please. >> a great driver but the national intelligence council. i get paid to be contrarian so let me ask a contrarian question. what struck me as if you look at the thread from isil domestically and numbers, it is tricky. the people are scared. if you look at the polls, people are scared well beyond what most of us in this room would say is reasonable. does that suggest we have overtime hyped the threat for the have not done a good job to put this thread into a broader perspective. >> so i have a theory that we have to balance between technology and the threat seriously and not overreacting to the threat. i don't know that there's been an overreaction, but i think

there has been maybe a lack of it knowledge made. a little bit of it tends to say we kill bin laden, game over, nothing more to see here. i think when people hear that from the government and then they see things in the news that even if it starts off, does off, that suggested there still is a threat they began to doubt the government he is serious. i think the trick here for the challenge here is you have to acknowledge there is a threat. you have to put it in perspective but you can't minimize the day is over. the worst thing that can happen is lose credibility. it is a little bit equivalent of a president bush was criticized for the banner mission accomplished. if you say there's no problem anymore and the problem is. >> president bush described al qaeda as an existential threat.

to be sure, any death by al qaeda is too many. it became an existential threat if they took our fundamental principles. >> i can interpret his words. i think what he meant when we went into afghanistan, we found labs. i mean, these guys are trying to come up with chemical and biological weapons and had they done so, there were potential issues out there that would have been existential. we lived through the anthrax attacks which didn't come from al qaeda but was a pretty clear reminder of what was capable out there. i do think we dialed ... although quite a bit of the last eight, 12, 13 years with both administrations together. you could argue maybe it was a slightly -- i'll tell you the interesting thing is this.

i think it is slightly over react, it is actually helpful. it'll go way too far. if you under react, it is harmful. >> amnesty within postgraduate school. i want to thank you for knowing you're going to take care of these kids coming in on the 21st because my family is coming in from berkeley and all of their friends are flying in for that so i want to make sure they are well protected. i have a sense in my assumption is because we don't have any time that the sense of community is diminishing and to send and churches apparently is dropping. i mean, i know myself that there's so many demands. i know it would take time to do

it. isn't it the importance of community that is something we all need to get engaged in with the really useful thing to do? are you, mr. secretary, how is your reader can i your department if you rented your secretary today. >> i think reorganizations -- i would. i would say what i would do to them for. secretary johnson has been doing this. i do think as the department with the major moving prices actually prove and that is road focus. >> i say i agree with you.

it is specific organization. there is all of these groups that i grew up with that nowadays when you talk to folks of memberships and people being engaged and involved the numbers to come down. i think really for us here and this is what we try to do here in d.c. because there's a lot of people that come and go out of d.c., but we are a community and the mayor can get up there in say we may increase community engagement. i go to probably three community meetings a week to be engaged. some of those are my own community meetings i go to some other folks that don't like what we're doing. but really, that is en masse. i will go back to president kennedy.

that is not what the country has done for you. i take that seriously. before my wife and i left tonight was left tonight without two of our neighbors out on the street. we see them on a daily basis, a first name basis and have a snowstorm. we both win out and help them out. one of them is utterly silly help them with that stuff. individuals engaging with your community where you are. i will wait for the president to say something at that level. >> kevin shea and for multiplayer capital. as i analysis because it seems like the worst cases of domestic terrorism the chelsea farmer, orlando shooter and abdul macculloch, we knew we had a troubled young person but they were the criminal justice system. there is no enhanced surveillance and providing

support and how my government organized. >> you can watch the last few minutes of conversation from accounts of foreign relations on her website, c-span.org. we will leave it at this point and go by where the cuts outside the ways and means committee room for the democrats or select and their leader and the 14 years returned by nerdy peter for a time as the first-team all-state guard the house. congressman tim ryan challenging pelosi for the position for the next congressional session as soon as democrats announced today selected as their leader was a label that you know and when house democratic leaders speak to reporters about the results they played to bring that live on c-span. right now we will go live to the u.s. senate lawyer. they take up legislation for iran for another gear up for another 10 years. live coverage of the senate.

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