of these reservations are they say it's too white they will feel that way because it's different to say can only succeed if the quote unquote white man is telling me how to succeed in this is the only way to do it versus i have talent that can be cultivated and high have ideas to share. >> i guess we agree in some ways i think there are different educational models that would allow american indians to succeed. i think that the reason that i keep harping on the tribal leadership who tells me it's too white is that it's only the tribal leadership who tells me it's too white. it's not the parents of these kids. they did not go to the kipp school and say it's too white. they went there and said can i get that to and to me the answer should be yes, if that's what you want, absolutely. let's bring it tomorrow and i'm not suggesting that there is-- that i am in favor of all kinds

of educational choice, but i think that their leadership sometimes is standing in the way of that. .. the we write about the federal bureaucracy. i think bureaucrats downtown

would like to check where they can tell us what to do. it's a piece of work that's important, goes beyond any innovation. it's important to focus on the indians because we are all responsible for it and we don't want to look at it. thank you very much. [applause] >> okay. thank you all for coming. that was great. [inaudible conversations] booktv is on twitter and facebook, and we want to hear from you. tweet us, twitter.com/booktv,

or post a comment on our facebook page,in the facebook.com/booktv. >> joining us now is emory professor carol anderson. here is or book called "white rage: the unspoken truth of our racial divide." professor anderson, what do you mean by white rage? >> guest: it's not we often think of which is like the klan and burning a cross but white rage really are those policies coming out of the supreme courts of congress, the legislators that are triggered by african-americans advance that towards their civil rights. when you see those major advances you see all of a sudden this policy backlash that comes with the got out to undercut that. that's the rage. it's cool, methodical, subtle and it is corrosive and it is absolute instructed. >> host: have you seen it time and again in your research?

>> guest: i track it from the end of the civil war. because here you have this moment were african-americans move from being properly to being human beings, which is -- then from human beings to citizens. and with that a call on the nation's resources as to the massive backlash comes from out of the white house under andrew johnson, but also from state legislators that work to undercut that advancement, to undercut and put african-americans back into a new type of slavery. i track it with the great migration, the brown decision, the civil rights movement and then the election of barack obama. >> host: let's go to 2008. what did you see in your research? >> guest: what i saw was there was this moment, like this fleeting moment of hope that the nation had really crossed the

racial group icon and insteadd what happened was this massive policy backlash, particularly in terms of voter suppression. with obama's election come obama had managed to bring in about 15 million new voters into theie electorate. this is the think we should race as a democracy. we've got 15 million people who have heretofore been on the sidelines and now they feel vested. they at stake, they're mistaken of this nation works out who their elected representatives are. this we should embrace.th instead what happened was a systematic targeting of those voters in terms of voter suppression laws. and it got cast away white rage burden by wrapping that voter suppression in the language of democracy. we have to protect the integrity of the ballot box. we have massive voter fraud. we need to ensure we don't have that voter fraud, except we

didn't have the voter fraud they are talking about where as if someone doesn't impersonate somebody to vote in swing an election. with only 31 cases out of 1 billion votes from 2000-2014. this wasn't about voter fraud. but what these laws did was to begin to systematically suppress the black vote and the latino vote and the use of vote. even in these trying to targeted hits, it radiates out. it's massive collateral damage. ? >> this election was white rage. there was a referendum of what kind of nation listed the period would this be a nation with the diversity in this nation. that makes people and asian

americans and muslims, were they or would it be a nation that's sad but we really want in terms of making america great again would be to go back to the good old days. and if you ask, really point what are those good days. and so you get this straight the urge for policies so you have white access this is a white rage election. >> give someone advice of port donald trump, to give an immediate assumption about that? >> yes. that assumption is race and racism was driving that boat. here is a man whose every third

rail, and american body politic. his voters did not move away. for instance, this is a man who said my favorite book in the bible is two corinthians. this is a man who violates the basic tenant of christianity, which is to recognize and asked for forgiveness. and evangelical state. we talk about this election about economic anxiety, except for his voters make over $70,000 a year and there's a recent study that says they take african-americans 228 years to people of the wealth of whites in the united states today. economic anxiety, and this is a man who denigrated the military. again, and other third rail when

you think about it. this feature attic voters did not move away. this is a man who is very clear about sexual assault and those voters did not vote the way. in terms of economic anxiety as well. we have a man whose economic policies are not about helping the populace, the working class. he bankrupted. he probably bankrupt small business owners. those voters did not move away. so once you begin to check off all of the things that should have been cut out derailed his president day, what you're left with is a man whose indoors by the. white nationalists, and we really like his policies. that nation is predicated on

what i mean by that is often we think of in terms of an october think of rage is violence. but those policies sanctioned violence. this policy is made that brutality can hotbed and there's not any kind of consequence in the criminal justice system because the policy say this is okay to terrorize the population. >> so when you see that he wins pennsylvania and michigan for the first time in the 80s, why is it not about economics? you don't see the economic isolation? >> and were economics plan, economics is a cover for a race so that i think one of the things that is driving us in this multicultural world that we are in, multicultural nation we

are in is the sense that i may be okay making 70 plus thousand dollars a year, but as more blacks and latinos and asians than the ones are seeking access to the resources, what does that in for my grandchildren? what does that mean for my sister's kids. that again is the mass were economics plays them. but what is not clear is what rage has done is by systematically undermining the population is actually undermining the viability strength of the nation so we see things as this zero sum game. >> rated this book come from? >> the book emerged out of the

uprising and ferguson. let me back up a bit. i started playing with this idea back in the 299 with the killing of ahmed doody alice by the n.y.p.d. here you have a black man who steps out at the apartment to get something to eat and four new york police officers run them down. 19 of them hit. i'm watching "nightline" with ted koppel appears rudy giuliani is being entered to and he barely mentions. instead what he says is my policies are working. new york is safer than it's ever been and i have the most restrained, best behaved police force in the united states. and i am thinking, your policies are working and you've got an unarmed man with no criminal record who has just been coming

down? there is something going on here. so as a scholar and continuing to work and then ferguson in 2014. all of the pundits regardless of the ideological venue are asking why are black people burning where they live? they are talking about this black rage as buildings are on fire. i'm shaking my head no going this is white rage. i have lived in missouri for 13 years. i saw what policies could do and how they undermine access. i suffered an out in a city like ferguson that is 36% black but the voter turnout was only 6%. think about the kind of policies for 67% of the population into 6% of the voting population.

i saw a school district on probation for 15 years. .. civil rights, that's what i saw and that became the genesis of this book. first i wrote about in the "washington post" op-ed where i track from reconstruction through the obama election. and then i expanded in this book. >> host: what is your day job? >> guest: i am a professor of african-american studies and history at emory university and achieved civil rights and human rights and u.s. foreign policy.

>> host: how long? >> guest: i have been teaching since 1996. wow, two decades. >> host: where did you grow up traffic columbus, ohio. i saw things wrong there, too. >> host: so it's not the south necessarily? >> guest: no. >> hostpostbank digigrowth and r segregated area? >> guest: when we moved in my father was a military man. had been a career military. and to after serving 20 plus years in the army we moved the family to columbus, ohio, because he wanted my brother to go to ohio state. and when they got to do was a house in oakland park my mother wanted and the real estate agent said you people don't live there. i'll show you where you people live. so we bought a house in a neighborhood that by the time in