magazine i was like can i change the name to limits to reason because that's more in keeping with my sense of things. i agree but it's hard but again we have more platforms by which to host debates and conversations and to be persuasive. if i can put all my libertarian that are my liberal liberal movement that's one of the things that we need to think about, especially in an era where the old dogmas are dying and people are looking, young people, old people are looking for something new. we often need to think about being persuasive not simply expressive. a basic libertarian solution is private sidewalks and private air. you come on my property and i will shoot you. whatever but we are also trying to persuade people by engendering or imagining a world that people want to live in because it's interesting and prosperous and fair and moral.

so that's something every once in a while especially the small wee hour twitter, you want to be persuasive. >> on that note i have another question from twitter. cory all winter says how can we we -- is it dangerous to let judges make decisions? >> just a short point, i think we should leave as little as possible up to the judges. there is an inclination. >> you are not going to say they should be -- because if so i have a direct court order just to pretend i didn't hear it. >> every time you are confronted

with the problem or challenge let's pass a law to fight this problem. i think we need to be more moderate about that. one man's hate speech is another man's poetry. you use a certain word and you don't think it's decent -- that's a matter of taste. >> it's been my life's dream to wear blue on c-span so i may have accomplished that. by the way it's a made up -- made up fake category. there is no such thing as up sanity as a constitutional principle and thankfully we have

been moving away from that. if you don't like somebody's speech, block them and move out of earshot. don't turn to that channel and don't read that book adult read that web site. i think it's a real positive evolution. most of you probably have never heard the phrase -- banned in boston which was a thing because boston would then all sorts of things. it's really hard to do that. public indecency is a little different because in public space there is a lower, the more public a space is meaning it's in full view and you can infringe on other peoples rights. there is a lower standard of self-expression. >> what is in the internet very public? >> you know what other then made portman: ads that fill my inbox or web browser without their -- my ever going there once i don't know many web sites i'm forced

to go to. really, it's all a pull mechanism. the browser has been firing me up. >> fred from the daily ripple. the day you can manipulate a major corporation with a tweet. is there some sort of freedom of speech that eliminates the president from using that to prophet from back? i don't like this company and i'm going to buy short on them and then i'm going to see a tweet on it and manipulate the stocks. ps a hedge fund manager behind him and all these other bankers that would certainly benefit from that. is there an infringement of

speech by telling the president he can't do that legally? >> i don't know. one thing i will say i'm much more troubled by the president-elect's actions towards carrier and a couple of other companies that he is going to make stay in the united states. in indiana there's a ball bearing company whose name i'm forgetting right now. with boeing is now on a certain level and this is an unprincipled emotional answer, boeing has enough tax subsidies to the export-import bank in a wide variety of state, local and federal subsidies that they can up for a while or over budget on delivering. i do think but we are seeing here actually is with a president who is kind of unbounded as trump we are going to see some interesting situations that we couldn't have thought about.

i don't have a clear answer to that but boeing's stock price is a small order issue for me compared to national protectionist economic alosi's more broadly. that i think is going to have more problems for us in the future. >> i think we have room for one final question from the audience. >> i'm bill with future 500 but i teach at hobbs business school and i've noticed over the last year i think you would probably agree that there is tremendous more support on campus by students for free and open speech and even uncomfortable speech then there is for bans or restrictions and so on. yet as faculty we do have some guidelines that have been provided to us to limit that kind of speech. given that combative forces are

always going to attract more media attention and seem to have more dominant support than they actually do what our folks in the free free market committee be doing to actively take advantage of opportunities on campus and bring more people into the movement right now when they are really ready lacks a lot of people see the problem. they see it every day. they want to be organized but it's not going to just happen through i'm sorry to say free media coverage. it's just not. what are people who care about issues doing to attract people who don't necessarily find themselves in that box on the quiz to join and begin to learn what freedom and free markets and free speech are all about? >> i don't have an answer.

facebook and twitter. i don't know. i think there are number of things that are being done and an outfit like cato and some of the groups that have come out of cato including students from liberty by a cato intern. young americans for liberty. there are an upper campus groups that ring people to campuses that actually stage events and lectures and panels and whatnot at universities which i think is a good place to start when you look at something like the foundation for economic education, which i think lays claim to being billed as libertarian organization. they are rejuvenated and reaching more students in high schools probably than ever before. reason is talking to millennials

and younger people in terms of the way we talk about the future in the way we talk about topics that relate to them like privacy security and free speech, gender if gender is we shouldn't accept a binary choice of politics. let's open up a the binary and things like that. i think that's one way to do it. i think to go to that question of knowledge production we need to be producing intellectuals, libertarians need to produce public intellectuals that engage a multigenerational public with the ideas of freedom of liberty and shows a positive outcome of giving people freedom. >> i think there's some truth to that. just the word liberty is so bound with presumption and

republicanism and so on. it closes the door before they get there. >> i agree that's an ongoing issue. a couple of years ago reason did a big pole of millennials overseen by emily eakin who was working with the cato institute. one of the things we found in that was there was something like 42% of people 18 to 29 have positive views of socialism. i was like holy cow that's a lost generation and we followed up in the follow-up question was was -- and they had no idea. we had language that were imprecise and then we asked in a parallel question is it better to have a government managed economy or should free-market discover the economy and everyone was for the free-market. it's constant search to find what is that language that will

unlock the next generation and those of us who are older who remember the code word. flemming and i were talking about this. in america we have a foreign-policy bet is still stuck in a cold war mentality and we are fighting radical islam as if it's the soviet union circa 1960. the cold war wasn't as clear-cut as we thought it was a transpose that major decision-maker on to something today is totally wrong. same thing happened with our movement if to the need to constantly refresh our terms and understanding and what's important to people today is not what was important to barry goldwater in 1964. we need to understand and act on that for sure. >> i would say if it were a republican word, to most people

tolerance is not a positive word it has a process of limitation. the connection between free speech and tolerance, if you break that you'd don't have tolerance or free speech. >> with that i would like to ask both of you and one or two sentences what do you want people to get out of this? what's the most important thing they can go home with? >> i am going to repeat myself. i think the world is getting increasingly more diverse and in order to be able to live together in this increasingly diverse world tolerance is in fact a key concept. not in the way it's talked about

in everyday life and shouting offensive things but the ability to live within things that you hate without banning them for using threats or violence to shut them up. i think this would move further and further up the agenda. we will be fighting this everyday and unfortunately too many believe that the more diversity we have in terms of solution the less diversity in terms of speech. i think it's counterintuitive.

you will also need to welcome no more diverse speech in order to provide space. that implies of course that no one has a right not to be offended. that's also one of the things that is a challenge. >> with position does he play? >> he doesn't play a position yet. he's only four years old. [laughter] >> them with your preparation and i write for "the daily beast." a year ago i read a piece for them that they titled how to rat out commenters. that happened in the obama regime. it happens frequently if not as frequently enter trump regime. it's going to happen on facebook. it's going to happen in corporate and cultural space and religious space in a political space.

the other thing that i will say is if we all broadly believe in classical liberals and libertarian goals really think about being persuasive rather than being right in every conversation. what we are trying to do here is build a world that is better than the one we inherited. i think it is getting better and the way we will make it better still is by getting poor people to want to hang out with us now by saying your clitoridectomy culture is so great. it's just as good as mine per week let people decide that they want to be. it's not that kind of power or mindless celebration of diversity. it's actually saying look we can go to i don't know how many of you are in d.c. but we can live in a world that is like socialist bret baier is not,

it's better than it was 10 years ago but we can live in a supermarket world or we can go to whole foods. which world do you want to be in. one is fiber no one is different than what is constantly changing and morphing in mutating in anticipation of our desires and our needs and our wants or we can go someplace where there's only one. we need to be persuasive not simply ride in every conversation. >> we want to live in a world with as many as we can. >> as many as we can. now in a land of emoji's i plan to do something entirely different and i apologize. >> on that note thanks all of you for coming out here tonight. those of you who have tended on c-span or one of our on line panels i hope all of you will enjoy this discussion today and will continue this in the winter

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>> often when you look at a project you see whether you have achieved your objectives and at what cost. i wanted to see through this last half-century military

interventions partisan politics aside and morality aside what happens after the party is over and what are the aftereffects of war and what are the human and financial costs on both sides? i went to all these places and of course we call it some form of eyes but i went to all these places with an open mind again trying not to much understand what a partisan point of view might be or be validated but to look at was the mission accomplished and what were the cause on both ends? >> several senators will be ti