>> the ncaa says that inclusion includes lgbt people. they pulled some championship levelevents out of north carolina because of the hp to law that targeted our community . they cannot say that they are an inclusive organization and at the same time allow byu and its anti- lgbt policies that are lgbt students so i'm not going to tell the ncaa what to do but they can't do both area. >> was the reaction in the big 52 used as a reporter and as somebody who runs out sports. >> i have a fantastic relationship with people in the front office of every single lead. i think about greg aiello with the nfl who their head spokesman and others in the nfl and i mean, they answer

my phone calls, the answer my questions. sometimes it's on the record, sometimes it's on background. billy being in major league baseball is communicative, he's a vice president with the league soi have a great relationship .i think because i have, and jim byzantine my business partner, we demonstrated fairness, that were going to say when we think you misstep and when we think you got wrong . when we think you got it right, were going to say that to and i hear from people that they respect that we are honest and we are fair and you talk in fairplay about some of the interviews you've done with players. the players open to talking you as well? >> i talk in the book about going to an nfl players association event and a representative of the nfl pa having a big problem with me asking you questions of some of their new players.

this is back three or four years ago. there have been a couple who did not want to talk to me for sure but for warner is a devout christian. god is the most important thing in his life . and he and his wife stopped and chatted with me for a few minutes about these issues openly so most of the athletes get it, that's about your teammates and not sports and winning together and not about who you sleep with. >> cyd zeigler is the author of this book fairplay: how >> booktv is in scottsdale, arizona, learning more about the city's literary scene. up next, we speak with an author about his time growing up on route 66. >> for the better part of two decades, my family took a road trip every august to the family farm in thompson, iowa. now, we would leave kingman really early.

in fact, my mom would pack the night before, and in the morning at four a.m. we were up and ready to roll leaving before light, and i don't think we left kingman, wees caped. and there's -- we escaped. and there was nothing more magnificent than being on the road in those early twilight hours. ♪ ♪ >> i never understood the attraction of route 66 or why it was such a big deal. it was just a road to me. and about four years ago, my wife got an assignment in spain, and is so i went along because i wanted to find the ground zero for the cowboy. because i had a theory, and the theory was if i could find where the con kiese to haves emanated from -- conquistadors emanated from, i would find the cowboy because it's the conquistadors who come to the americas. they bring horses, they bring cattle, they bring the tradition of branding, they create the cowboy that we celebrate today

around the world. so i was in spain which, turns out, was the place that columbus set sail on his second expedition to the united states -- to the new world. and he left there with boats. so i stood there for about 20 minutes, and i finally took it all in, and i got ready to leave, and i turned around. and on the beach i spied the route 66 bar. [laughter] and i thought to myself, it hit me like a ton of bricks. i get it, i get it. they sent the horse, they sent cattle, they sent all of the european traditions to us, and we sent them back a legend of a highway. and at that moment i realized this is an international road, a legend, and i lived on it. i grew up on it. now, what's weird is that when i was a little kid, i was so into old west history, and i would read true west in the office

during slow times, and i would look up and go nothing ever happened in kingman, arizona. this is the dumbest place you could ever live. history's what happened in tombstone, arizona, dodge city, kansas, deadwood, dakota. nothing happened here. well, fast forward about ten years ago, i got a call from a writer. and he said i read about your article in your father's gas station in arizona highways, and i'd like to interview you. and i said, sure. and his first question, the very first thing he asks me is what was it like growing up in such a historic place. the weird thing is i did not know i was growing up on the most iconic highway in the world. to me, it was just a road. and my father had a gas station, flying a right on route 66 in kingman, arizona. and my mother worked for the highway department. and in the summer when i was going to college, i worked for the highway department in the summer.

so i made my living from it, my dad did, my mother. and so to me, it was just another road. it was just two-lane, blacktop, and it was no big deal. of course, in the summertime in my dad's gas station, he had to put on night crews because it was 24/7, the traffic was almost bumper to bumper because everybody was trying to get to california. and here we were, the last stop before you get there. well, kingman, arizona, is in the northwest quadrant of arizona, and it's up in this area that was so unpopulated at the time. there was like 5,000 people in the entire county, and this is one of the fifth largest counties in the country. okay? the kids would come to my high school, and they had to be bussed in from the outlying ranching areas, in some cases all the way up towards utah. and they would get on the bus in the dark and go home and get off the bus in the dark, that's how isolated this area was. well, when route 66 was really popping in the 1950s, here we

were this really isolated area that could barely get television, and these cars were coming in from all over the country with these hipster kids, and they had intertubes on the top of -- inner tubes on the top of the car, and people are laughing and everything, and we're like, whoa, this is weird. well, the traffic on route 66 was with always a good clip because this was the mother road, and this was the road to california. but in the summertime, it just got crazy. and my father had to hire extra help, and they worked around the clock, three shifts all the way, eight hours at a time. and my first job was icing jugs, because in those days there was no a/c. there was no air-conditioning in cars. that's hard to believe today. none, okay? and so everybody had a jug in their car of water, and the ice would melt in the first 10 miles that they left as soon as they got into arizona. and so it was my job to go out and ask them if they had any jugs they'd like ice in, and i

would take it in, put ice in it, come back and get a tip. every summer my father would take a vacation. and so our idea of fun, my father's idea of fun was to visit the family farm in iowa. and so my father was that old school you had to get up at four a.m., we had to get in the car, we had to drive for an hour before he had to have breakfast, okay. >> and we were going eastbound on route 66, so we were meeting everybody coming westbound. they're all laughing, they're on their way to disneyland, or their way to the beach, and we're norwegians going to iowa and the family farm. [laughter] and so here we are, and all of a sudden i remember looking out the window, and there would be these signs that would go all the way across a mesa. and they would say gas, regular, 19.9. clean restrooms. world's largest buffalo. and i would go, dad, dad, can we stop?

and we got into new mexico, and it got worse. it said live indians, as opposed, i guess, to the other kind. i go, dad, can we stop, can we stop? and i realized that my father was not going to stop except for maybe gas, food, oil, maybe open wounds, but he wasn't going to stop. we had to get to iowa so we could eat five times a day and talk about crops. and so on the way back from iowa one year, i said, dad, you've got to give me one place to stop at on the way back. and he said, well, we will, kid, if we have time. and so i started poking him. and my father was driving with his hands in the 10 and 2 position. and there's a weak spot that runs, like, from the ear down to the shoulder, and i just started poking him. come on, dad, you prommed, you promised. and he's trying to shake me off. and he's passing 18 trucks at a time. come on, you promised me, you promised! and he finally swung that '57 ford into that parking lot, and he looked at me and said, kid,

you've got 15 minutes. [laughter] and so those were the most precious 15 minuteses of my life. -- minutes of my life. i went into this museum, and i was hooked. in fact, you could draw a direct line from that experience to me owning true west magazine. because it just, to me, it just was so amazing to see all these, in fact, it looks like this room. everything that you see in here is, i'm emulating the crap that was on the walls of that museum. i've just tried to replicate it right here in my life. and i said i've got this authentic photo. i was a kid, i just bought it. it's mine. i went home and put it on the wall right before i'd go to school, i'd look at that photo. i've got to have a hat like that, i'm going to have a rifle like that, i'm going to have everything that is in this photo. well, about a week later my mom had to go down to desert drug, downtown kingman, to get a prescription filled, and i ran up to the front of the office, the store, and there was true west magazine.

and i, it told the true stories of the west. and so i bought the issue. and while my mom was talking to madge at the prescription department, i ran out to the car, and i'm reading the magazine. and on page 37 i discover that the photograph i bought at the longhorn museum of pat garrett and billy the kid was a fake! i am so mad now that they sold me a fake photo. it was taken at a parade in 1937 or something like that in santa fe, and somebody just said, hey, george, you look like billy the kid. get up there on that flatbed. so i was so mad now that i missed the beatles on ed sullivan, i missed watergate. why? because i was at the library trying to figure out what wild west heroes and legends were actually true. and that led me to owning true west magazine. well, the thing that was so bizarre and ironic, we didn't

know it at the time, is one summer in 1967 and the next summer or in 1968, i worked on the bypass which was i-40, which became i-40. and i remember them coming through putting stakes in the ground north of our house, and we asked the guys what they were surveying, and they wouldn't tell us. it was top secret. and so then later we found out it was iing-40, and it went -- iing-40, and it went to the south of town coming into town. and i worked on it. ..

i mean guide. i mean there were placed that are were out of business within a year. some took longer. but day eventually -- in fact it's sad for me to drive through kingman, the part i grew up in, because so much of it is into torn down, desert drugs, where i bought the true west magazine, is a vacant lot, and that's very sad to me. >> there's one message that the book has or hi life has, it is pay attention. we're all looking right at history. i want to reach that nine-year-old guy that i was. want to reach that boy today, and hopefully excite them about the history of our country.