want to point 'otoe something and said, that's weird. we include things in the book because we want to celebrate them, and we want to show -- get a sense of what is out there in the world. one one of the prime reasons for us doing this is to say how to people see the world? what perspectives can we view this from? and so that was definitely something that we thought about when -- in terms of language, the tone, speaking to people who are part of these groups or who are in these museums, not trying to represent them without talking to them. and i mean, even the concept of exploration and discovery is loaded. it's kind of the images of some white guy on a ship or like

the -- even the phrase, cabinet of curiosities or the grand european tour. it's like-cashed up white guy taking stuff and bringing it back. we want to move beyond that. we see exploration and discovery is something that is open to all and doesn't require money or status or for you to be a be a particular type of person. we want it to be accessible to all. >> okay,. [applause] >> thank you. >> here's a look at some authors recently featured on "after words."

o >> i think the other aspect of the phenomenon that is important to talk about is the notion that maybe they ask the women to take on these roles because no man was willing to do so, and women, because of how we perceive their roles as leaders, because of unconscious biases are still

seen as something of an odd duck, particularly in the ceo role. so they're outage to greater scrutiny but i think by the same token, i think perhaps they're more willing to take on these high-risk assignments because they want to prove that they can do it. in mary's case, she stepped into a company that was doing relatively well and then the proverbial you know what hit the fan, with the huge re-call crisis, many, many deaths due to the problems they were having with the cars, and i think, frankly, there were many doubting thomases who depend see mary surviving what was one gm's worst crises in years. i think to her credit she weathered the storm and took personal responsibility for getting it right and makings it right and made it clear in her town hall meetings with gm employees she was holding

everybody else accountable. everybody else was responsible for fixing what was going wrong and weathered this crisis like so many other women, they overcame crises big and small, and they became better leaders for it. think mary today is a much bet ceo because the had this trial by fire. >> "after words" airs on booktv at so p.m. you can watch all previous "after words" programs on our web site, book booktv.org. >> marlene, you're the author of fair labor lawyers, a remarkable life of new deal attorney and supreme court advocate. tell me about. >> guest: identity i'd love. to bessy was born in a jewish orphanage in new orleans.

like to say that before there was a notorious rbgs a justice ginsburg was phone, there was an flower tous she championed the laws in her years and she was a mentor to me. >> what were the significant cases that shoe was involved in as well as the fair labor act? >> guest: well, all of their time for the labor department was spent on the fair labor standards act and was the whole body of work that caused chief justice older wayne to say the put the sin us on the bare owns of anywhere labor act and without her work the bare bones have been wholly ininadequate. her most significant case, standing alone, was the first

case argued under the equal pay act and established the rule that exists today that jobs need only be substantially equal and not identical to warrant equal pay and that is a standard we still adhere to today. >> host: under research did you go into her personal life at all? >> guest: i did. it was a really being decision for me to do that because she was so jealously guarded about her personal life but i was encourages to tail the life of a trailblazing lawyer woman, and i found, perhaps not surprising, she had affairs, with people who would not interfere with her trail trailblazing career and led to her being the subject of both fbi and congressional investigations. you could say her penchant are so passion may have cost her a

federal judgeship but it's important for people to know toy that the choices choices of of m birk career woman of the 1930s made, and the choice to pursue her career. >> host: do you think because of the climate that it's a little difficult to interview or to deresearch on a woman versus a man? >> guest: that's a really good question. bessy was already deceased when i started the research, which freed me to dig deeper tap if she war alive. the thing that makes it harder to do research about a woman is that it there was so fewer pieces of documentation. she had never been asked to do an oral history, although all of they ever counterpart inside the knew deal deal had been well-doc documented. she never kept a journal or diary perhaps for fear it could be used against her. so i think that is a particular challenge for people writing about women.

that isn't often the case with men. >> host: how were you able to do your research. >> guest: can do a lot of digging. not only was her nephew very generous in allowing me free you of the papers to the extent they existed but i say i found essentially her needles in famous people's haystack, but a because she kept elite company, justice douglas, justice jackson, could fine in the miss laneos correspond file to put pieces together. she kept one important one del of litters and photographses with the return i ripped off and i compared hand writhing to fir out what was who was writing to her and she was writing to. so i kept it to a high level of certainty. >> host: you mention she was you're mentor.

what is your background. >> guest: not a in a professional setting. she grew 'in the jewish orphanage in new orleans. it closed in 1946, but i, too was an orphan and became a ward of the same agency that had cared for her. when i graduated from the same high school that she went to, 50 years later, my high school guidance counselor introduced us and so i got to know her through my years in college, law school, and my own legal career for the state of maryland. so i think she saw in me a little bit of herself, that little girl from new orleans. >> as 2016 comes to close many publications are offering their picks for this best books of the year. hires some titleles that foreign affairs selected:

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