physicists but not one of the major years of lost alamo's. he was a big peace activist. >> one more question. >> had fermi white not been jewish, do you think there's a possibility he wouldn't have come to the united states? >> no. i think he would have come. this is where science was happening among other things, that the leading scientists from germany who were jewish had come here. the scientists from italy had come here. people were coming here and this was where it was happening and exciting and he really liked the country so i

don't see that he would have stayed in italy. i think that as much as we have emphasized that he was apolitical, i think there would have been a limit for fermi. >> as you know from going to south philadelphia, italians have strong families and i think that laura had not been so attached to her family. fermi would have come earlier. his parents had died in the 20s. and physics was, as bettina said, important and i think he would have come earlier. if she had not been jewish, would he have left italy? there's the question. his good friend and coworker

did not leave italy for much the same reasons so as much as he wanted to come to the united states, if laura had not been jewish, the family would not have come to the united states, the atom bomb would not have developed and world war ii, in time for the end of the world war. >> it's a story full of what if. if fermi had discovered this in 1935 which was a clear possibility, and perhaps the germans would have taken a program to develop the bomb. the other countries would not have gone and the world would have been different that way but as we know, life is full of what it and in this case,

the whatit's worth mistakes . >> gino and i disagree on this but i think the answer is that he wasn't extraordinarily complicated man. in his simplicity in some ways and that was a hard thing for us to grasp, it was a hard thing to convey in the book but i hope that we did it in a way that you can make your own judgments about it. >>. >> thank you.

>> the david was at that time hurtful from blues from mister charlie which now in the audience we see it. a lot of people left because they couldn't handle it. it was quite a place, actually a wonderful work that has never received the proper do as with much of his work but i was in a group on this at the empty theater every night and then it closed and it went to london for a little while and then it ended and there have been resurgence is of the place, in fact it was then recently where dona lives in private answer island at the trinity repertory theater which was

exciting to see , so it's a wonderful way to read. it's an important place and people said it was polemic and didn't want to have to face what the play was about which was based on the image to lynch him. and other lynchings and so it's interesting to note that given, this was way back in 1964, he had quite a hard time withthe actors studio , strassburg and the whole plan to get it done and burgess meredith was involved in the whole process . there were a lot of great actors including diana phan and many others. so i then went with david, 1967 to assemble and we lived in the house, jimmy was exhibiting that summer. and that's where david had

written about jenny and i've known david that long. then we closed the house, we went to london. we got an apartment for jimmy and his sister paula and david and i. we lived in london together in 1967, the fall of 67 or the spring of 68. when i came back to new york, in 1971 i went back over to amsterdam to live but when i saw this wonderful book, i got a copy of it and it is a wonderful book. great photographs and apparently he was living there with barbara in those years and i just found that out which is really cool. dave and i loved amsterdam and while we lived there, they bought the house in yosemite. we went down in the fall of

71 when i was supposed to be working in a medical publishing house but i snuck away and i got an old volkswagen, we drove to the mountain and fought all the way. about how to shift and not shift and i was a great driver, i've been a cabdriver so i knew how to drive but i didn't know how to drive stick so i moved to europe. so we got to jimmy's at six in the morning and jimmy opened the door, he had all this, all kinds of classical stuff, he loved to cook, he didn't do it often but he loved to cook and he was delighted that we came to work on the house within, we splayed for about a week and then we drove back to amsterdam, and then i went to the house, 72, 73, 74 and then he was born in 73 and he

came in 75, 76, 79. and at least four more years. >> a couple times. >> some of these pictures here thatyou see , these are my photos. except for one. and four of them are in the book.and of course they're not very good, i was not a photographer, i was not trying to do that, i was picking up his memory book. we didn't ever think of jimmy as famous jimmy. jimmy was jimmy, uncle jimmy. my friend jimmy. my brother jimmy. so i had the good fortune, incredible fortune to get to know jimmy very well as a human being. who was jimmy, as a man, as a kind human being to the world . and so affable with what the images people try to

perpetuate about him. so i got to not only admire him but to see him as an advisor to me when i made decisions about where would we like to end the school, he would weigh in on that. what did he think about the infamous teachersstrike that i didn't strike in during 1968 when i started my high school teaching career ? and what did he think about that? so it was fascinating as to a lot of what's going on right now was what was going on then and that's pretty terrifying so if anything we need to do morethan we ever did . >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> good evening, welcome, i'm mrs. galloway. now would be a great time for you to silence your phones. and i just wanted to say that as you know, the debates are over. world series is over.