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>> we will introduce you to paul moreno from constitutional history the author of this book "the bureaucrat kings" on page one of your book united states is ruled by the establishment from. >> this is the fourth branch of government that is that the heart the constitutional problem. probably the most important structure and we have these apparatus of the epa and most of this started with the new deal and that the

essence of tyranny so congress passes a law. >> congress does not pass laws. bailout of the igman is traders collude we've voted for congress tells the new makes allies with the very vague aspiration and then it allows those people to be experts seoul congress will setback in cases which is much more helpful to the amended is a lot easier that hard job to make policy choices it is not doing the

fundamental constitutional job. >> the increase of that bureaucratic state is an explicit or implicit? >> it comes in waves about 180 years ago. as a political scientist has a theory of giving up a new style. but of biggest thrust came with fdr after the great increases of power but the next is the great society in

to bring in the affordable care act. and to be qualitatively the way the europeans have had. >> how has this affected you and i a on individual basis quick. >> of federal bureaucrat especially but anything that anvils health care department of health and human services if you apply for a job there are requirements and employers especially with that compliance costs to satisfy growing exponentially.

schools used to be the quintessential place for they would govern themselves now they are dictated by washington by the laws that are made and enforced by people they cannot name or do not vote for or are not accountable they ought to manage their lives better than they can. >> going down in history as laissez-faire conservatives was a progressive that initially was the federal radio commission according

to necessity these people, the commissioners got to decide if they needed a radio outlet that is tremendously powerful. previously they were unregulated the radio ended at being more politically even appeal will negative manipulated because it was known is contingent fee he played the way they want you to so that is perfect of those political dangers. >> not as much as you think

it hasn't grown much since to borrow for two and they give money to the states they have to comply so the states are administering these programs so people have not notice so much that personality is carried out and getting private institutions that the full-time job is the compliance of the federal regulation. >> what is the role of the federal register? >> if to have one place.

but to pass a statute but the federal register is thousands or tens of thousands of pages every year. their record was 80,000 pages in recently broke that record so with 100,000 pages of federal regulation and about that is even the former lead published regulations just from the informal memorandum of understanding that is not published leaving the official footprint as the tip of the iceberg. they have to hire people whose warriors are a specialty.

>> could that be attributed to congress? >> that is the hard job of legislating but they find that current system increases their power even though that delegation of legislative powers actually it is more popular powerful distended this system that is why they have the incumbency rate is higher than the house of lords and then the 19th century

because then the concern was that congress was interfering in the day to day of ministrations. and then to micromanage pretty much. with the healthy balance to be primary. >> the book is called "the bureaucrat kings" paul moreno from hillsdale college is the author.