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>> let's talk about their some news in the book and it's not without controversy. it's fascinating. in the book you talk about officials, namely general flynn who concluded in 2012 that the obama administration with seeking to suppress intelligence on islamic extremist threats in

order to justify walking away from iraq, syria, afghanistan and other countries that had fallen apart while he was president. tell us about that. >> that's one of the central tensions i talked about. there was the feeling amongst, flint was the chief intelligence officer for joint special operations command in iraq and afghanistan say was close to the fight. spiritually and whose names are for several jobs spea? >> yes, he is donald trump's senior national security adviser. alter ego if you will. he was at the defense intelligence agency and he was seen come intelligence about the growth of the threat from isis and other groups. a lot of it coming from syria but other places as well. he showed me a chart, 2004-2014 pick the number of islamic christians groups had actually doubled at a time when the narrative was threats gone away, we can go back to a new normal.

he saw as that intelligence with without the chain of command and got diluted and delivered until as you read the presidential daily brief a lot of the threat warnings were sort of diluted out of intelligence assessment. subsequently we have now learned that pentagon inspector general investigation where 50 and a list in central the same complaint, that the rather alarmist intelligence analysis of the growth of isis somehow disappeared here in the case was at the top level of the u.s. central command when they pointed the finger. so it's one of these things when the narrative is coming out of the white house i'm not saying, obviously flynn is upset about the turkey thinks it's one of the reasons he didn't get to serve his third defense intelligence agency. just get a profile on him at politico magazine if anyone wants an in-depth story. he felt frustrated that what he thought was a growing threat was being a sickly perceived by the

public as a dying threat and explained by the white house as sort of we have one does. that caused a lot of tension. he represents, that's that is what in intelligence community but flynn represented a core group who felt that the enemy was not dead, that the enemy is really this ideology that all the groups like the black man of whether it's al qaeda or isis or caliban or al-shabaab are al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, that are united by ideology. step connective tissue, personnel they share between them and the threat was a growing and he felt the white house was not really explaining that threat to the public and he was very frustrated. >> why did he think that? >> because he was watching intelligence strength and intelligence is i wasn't getting in the presence daily brief. the president speeches were talking about basically this

seminal characters a speech in may 2013 was basically describing al qaeda is estimated, our troops are coming home. we could basically rely on this drone program and keep america safe and that's the new normal. he fought back against that. he didn't believe that. >> is he still fighting the fight to some extent? >> he still believes at that. he's going to be a very senior person so yeah, i suspect one of the things you'll see from the trump administration is, talked about this threat as being bigger than just isis or al qaeda. so it's in ideology and where it raises its head and from the group that puts its black banner in territory, that we will probably be fighting the group soon or later because it's very anti-western. it's virulently intolerant, not only of other religions but also different strains of islam. i think you will see very much a different narrative coming out

of the trumpet white house. >> and what will that near to be thou terms of fighting counterterrorism? >> i think, you know, i don't want to speak for general flynn. the narrative will be this war is not over. quite honestly bbc what president obama has done in the last year, a year and half ago he's talking about isis is a jv team of terrorism. he's not talking that way anymore. he's talking about two years ago about, he talked about a generational struggle. if anyone was reluctant to put troops back in iraq it was presidenpresident obama but he t because realize what a threat isis was. he has frozen the troop withdrawal from afghanistan because of the taliban is coming back. there is a general consensus now this conflict is generational. it's a different kind of conflict. it's not one you can say we can walk away from because we won. the