c-span2, television for serious readers. here's our primetime lineup. at seven, chelsea clinton examines the public-private partnership that are working on global healthcare. and it eight, a roger ecker recalls the extradition of jonathan robbins to britain for his involvement in a mutiny aboard the british ship the hms hermione in 1797 and on book tvs afterwards programat 9 pm eastern, sylvia tara discusses the history and science behind body fat , 10, don't we discusses his book game of poor which is why the clinton campgn lt the 2016

presidential election. the winning strategy of the trump campaign and president from plan to move america forward.and to wrap up our sunday primetime lineup at 11:15, journalist and civil rights attorney ali a malik talks about the lives installed struggles of a collection of muslims, christians, jews, armenians and kurds living in her grandmother's apartment building in syria. that all happens tonight on c-span2's book tv. >> one of the things that would have i would have put more of in the book is a much more explicit argument about just how bad things can get if we don't have that international order which i believe absolutely requires american exceptionalism and i think could get very bad. so we could say these are all regional conflicts or we can pull back and it doesn't have a bearing on the other, i don't think, i really don't

think that's the case. we do live in a globalized world, these things are interconnected and if we were to pull back from that, the consequences would be felt much as in the region but more globally. >> i would just know whether you look at the world through the lens elliott just described of rules-based order that we created after 1945 with the help of other countries and international institutions or even if you're looking at it from the point of view of america first, more jobs for americans, our prosperity has rested historically on getting access to the global commons and particularly freedom of the seas which we have advocated as a nation. and what china is doing is essentially chipping away at that principle. so yes, it goes to the strength of our allies but it goes to something even more fundamental which is the

underpinning of the entire system on which the free flo of growth global commerce and international trade and the prosperity of much of the world depends. d it's for that reas i think we, that's why we care about the south china sea or east china sea and the challenge that we face just goes to house point of the changing regional balance, that some of the rising regional powers or in some cases declining regional powers that are exerting themselves more completely dominating their own region, they found they can take certain actions that fall below the threshold that normally elicit a military response from us. they can, through a series of salami slices begin to take away the foundations of this order. so we are faced with a very challenging question. >> as china militarize his the land reclamation project,

the am far they are building starts to put airstrips, but what point you respond? when you put hq nine antiaircraft missiles, do you take them out then? maybe not, it doesn't seem like a small objective, a massive us military response that would put us in conflict but maybe wait until late, is that enough? what about three, what about 10, what about 100? what about when you wake up one day and find that you created an air defense information zone over the area and you can no longer fly over. this is the challenge i think that we face and it's not just in the south china sea, it's elsewhere and i'm not sure what else fully that work could mean in the geographic context of western , where the united states has territory. american citizens who are represented in congress in the western pacific, they are pulling all the way back to us territory, pulling all the way back to the block so it's

not really, to me that's never been a very realistic geopolitical option in any sense. >> to brief points, one to echo something elliott said, i think we have to rediscover our imagination of the tragic in terms of thinking about, what a real breakdown of international order can look like. we've been blessed to have this order for the past seven years and i think it's hard for people to understand what can happen when things really go wrong. the second point is that i echo everything that's been said about the importance of the shop south china sea and i would say for any administration whether that's the obama administration or the trump administration today, it's important to really have a firm idea of what you are trying to accomplish in the south china sea and whether you are willing to use a level of coercion necessary to bring

that about. i'm all for taking harder lines with china. if you take it, rex ellison made that we are going to deny china access to the artificial islands, what is the level of coercion necessary to bring that out and are you willing to do that? if the answer is yes, as long as you understand the consequences. if the answer is no, that's a dumb thing to say because it's going to make you look foolish. >> watch this and other programs online at tv.org. >>. >> to look at authors recently featured on afterwards, our author interview program. house on foreign relations president richard haas explored the challenges facing us foreign policy. author and journalist via nelson reflected on the founding fathers calls for a unified america . parents of trey von martin and tracy martin discuss their sons life and death and

their experiences with the judicial system. in the coming weeks on afterwards, lisa's irvine will report on america's credit system and how it affects the general public. rhode island senator sheldon whitehouse will offer his thoughts on how legislative decisions are influenced by private businesses. former chief of the new york police department's internal affairs bureau charles dc will describe his work investigating corruption in the police force and this weekend, sylvia fara discusses how our bodies react to fat . >> it's calories, it's actually an endocrine organ that releases hormones to that body depends on so basically, our play sites are linked to fat. there are people who have that status and some of those that are smaller, mice might have smaller things themselves. our goals are linked to that, our reproductive systems are linked to that and people who get to that level don't

menstruate regularly. even the system, it's amazing there's so many systems in their body that are linked to healthy fat. >> afterwards airs on tv every saturday at 10 pm and sunday at 9 pm eastern. watch all previous afterwards programs on our website, booktv.org. >> the most interesting thing about this race is that it was the dumbest race possibly in american history. it was totally not. >> how does that compare to 2016. >> that one was dumber actually.which is sort of a heartwarming thing when you think about it. >> william henry harrison's race, just to say i was talking and this can only happen, i was talking to a famous story and like" because people alws to some other news organization . but i would say, he was telling me how horrible this race is, the worst race ever, i can't believe this is so terribleand i said , what about william henry harrison?

and he said it was even worse and william henry harrison and i said wow, this is a discussion nobody else in america is having at this moment in time. >> but the great thing with william henry harrison was at the beginning of popular votes so they were thinking about ways to sell things and accidentally stumbled on the idea of paddling william henry harrison as this humble soldier who was living in a lawn cabin drinking is hard cider remembering how he fought and his father signed the declaration of independence, he was appointed and went to medical school but they created this thing, this guy and they would have all these lawn cabin parades and they got to drink a lot because of the hard cider connection so there were a lot of riots and drinking going on and they

trained martin van buren whose father was a humble bartender in upstate new york as this rich guy who ran around wearing women's clothing and he has the shrubbery in the front of the white house reshaped they look like the bosoms of amazons. this stuff is really going on so truly, that was a weirder election but that's probably the only one i can think of. >> watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> welcome to wilmington north carolina on book tv located on the cape fear river along the carolina coast, the city was founded in 1737 . due to its proximity to the ocean, wilmington serveds an important trade route during the civil war and was the last atlantic seaport of the confederacy until it fell to union troops in 1865. today, wilmington has a