>> that wraps up a discussion on criminal yates from in the 15th install annapolis book follow. festival. next up, mark shriverrer who has written a book about pope francis. becomes being published this week...

block. about 20 years ago i was research on my first book about african-american women in the north. and i came across on advertisement for a runaway, anden enslaved person who had run from the president's house in philadelphia. may 1796. and i was sort of caught up looking through mike row film at old knew -- microfilm at old newspapers but this made me pause. i said, who is this person who ran away? she was named one judge in the advertisement. and i thought, wait a minute. i don't know this person. and that was troubling to me. because this is my area of expertise. i'm supposed to know all of this stuff. and i had no idea who this owny judge was and there was something that was very sort of compelling about this

advertisement, never sort of escaped me. and i said i'm going to come back to this important story. i'm going to try to trace this woman. i need answers. so i finished the first book and here i am, many years later. it was a lengthy process in attempting to recover the work of the life of ona judge. this is recover work and for those who do specifically early african-american history, doing this kind of work in archives where the evidence is slim, factual evidence often doesn't exist because people of color, women in particular, often remain outside of the archives, and so what i will say is that there's absolutely no way i could have written this book had i not written my first book.

so that's my plug graduate students and people doing the work of academics. i needed a grounding in order to be able to write this book about a woman who is really just absolutely magnificent when you read the book, you'll be blown away by her life. now, many folks here in this room and of course at mt. vernon, this is no new story. we know about ona judge and you are among a small group of people who actually now happy there are many more -- who know her. this expectation. i want her name to become one of those sort of household names, like a frederick douglass, lake harriet tubman because she rubbed away decade before they do. sew so the title -- a quick story about the titling "never caught."

this is one motor vehicle first -- one of my first choices for the title of of the book ann the perfected hated it. they said gives away the story, erica. i said, yeah, but so does "12 yours a slave." only, we understand, it was 12 years, going to end at some point. with "never caught" this is a history of how a woman who was a fugitive, never found freedom. she was never free. she simply was never caught. and i think there's a distinction and one that it wanted to make, especially as i was trying to kind of dismantle what we think about slavery in the south and the north at this moment where the nation is new. and i think that's one of the other things that was really trying to do with this book, was to allow us to see what the

early days of this new country looked like through the eyes of the enslaved. >> you watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> booktv tapes hundreds hundref author programs all year long. hairs a look at some events we're covering this week:

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now live from the annapolis book festival, former maryland state legislator and author, mark shriver, on pope francis. [inaudible conversations] >> good afternoon. welcome to our session with the author, mark k. shriver. my name is dan. my wife and i are the proud parents of three k school graduates and i'm the dean of the law school at cass university. withbe get started, a few reminders. please be sure that your cell phones are turned off or in the silent mode. after i introduce mr. shriver our program today will follow a