says a baltimore homicide detective investigating a number of killings in the area. you come here for one for three reasons. to buy drugs, sell drugs or because you just don't care anymore and do not mind dying. the only other excuse they say is, you are a homicide or narcotics detective. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> tonight we are delighted to have camille paglia here. i will do a more formal introduction than usual but -- camille paglia is a university professor of humanities and media studies at the university of the arts in philadelphia. where she has taught since 1984. she received her ba from the state university of new york at binghamton in 1968. her masters in philosophy and phd degrees from yale university. her prior books of sexual

personae, art and decadence from nefertiti to emily dickinson which came out in 1990. sex, art in american culture. vamps and tramps, new essays which came out in 1994. the birth of alfred hitchcock -- camille paglia reads 43 of the world's best poems and glittering images of a book she was here last year with five years ago including image is a journey through art from egypt to star wars. she is here this evening with her seventh book, free women, free men. sex, gender, feminism. a suction her most notable articles on the subjects. any year from this fall -- she was kobani contributor for

salon.com begin with the debut issue 1995. she's written numerous articles on art, literature, popular culture, feminism, education and politics for public around the world. it is a pleasure to thank you all for being absent. please join in welcoming doctor camille paglia. [applause] >> well hello. i do not know which microphone to use first good what a pleasure to be back in this beautiful city. the first time making for a book tour here i think was 1992. it is always a growth to come back to seattle. this is my seventh book. i had hoped it was going to be my third essay collection. it has been 94 since my second one was published. i've written so many things all

over the world. i think many important pieces on religion and history and culture and so on. but, my publisher felt that my pieces on sex, gender and feminism have been so prophetic for the past 25 and 30 is that it was urgent to get them out now. so we went forward with this book and it is absolutely amazing how it is almost like a tsunami. events in the culture swept forward and i wrote in my introduction to this book last summer, it seems to speak directly to this moment. my premier principles as a person and as a thinker are a free thought and free speech. i am totally opposed to any kind of curtailment of either of those two things. for whatever laudable causes anyone may think that they have.

my particular influence came from my experience in the mid-1960s in college when i entered college in 1964 into the fall that spring, the free speech movement happened at berkeley. mario -- a big influence me. and poets that created a great scandal in 1957 with the obscenity trial. the arrest of the manager of a bookstore for selling unseen poems. and ends -- lenny bruce who is the person who transformed the medium of comedy, stand-up comedy. from really gags to very satiric but meaningful style of

analysis of social problems. lenny bruce is the one that made comedy politically and socially relevant. lenny bruce was equal opportunity offender. he went against both liberal and conservative. and the first thinker who really had an impact on me in adolescence was oscar wilde. by chance in a secondhand bookstore in syracuse new york. i stumbled on a copy of a book, a british both on the epigrams of oscar wilde. it is actually still available. if that presumably that no one in the us would recognize the word epigrams another caught the rich and humor of oscar wilde. have wonderful one-liners, his plays and conversation. organized by topic. nature, men and women, etc. a

scathing uncompromising quality of his thinking. a huge impact on me. then in college, this is before the stone mall rebellion. gay men, they were absolutely scathing against every convention. there was a things that make you wince. about polio victims and so on. now what happened that after stone wall, game and have become increasingly recreation or they have become very politically correct. and so all of the sudden they are part of the army for the control of speech. but you know thinking that underground gay men are just as -- as ever. in graduate school i began to read the influences on oscar wilde himself. which would be -- who was imprisoned for the way he

defined convention, etc. it was not that long before i was in college that there was the great trial for obscenity in england. about lady chat away lover. penguin books was brought up on charges of obscenity. and when penguin books triumphed it was a great blow you know against the forces of censorship. so that is what i have stood for. my particular wing of feminism was suppressed for many years. you know my feminism predates second wave feminism which is created by betty -- with her cofounding him now in 1966. i was already a feminist because i was directly impacted by first wave feminism in the early 1960s. in 1961 when i was 14 years old i suddenly became obsessed with millionaire heart after an article about yet another clue that was found in the herald journal.

and i am barking three or research project in high school about a millionaire heart. i went to all kinds of places. i ransacked the old newspapers and the bowels of the syracuse library and so on. i was also obsessed with katharine hepburn. with whom i saw on late-night tv. what i was getting from katharine hepburn i did not realize for decades is actually the real flame of first wave feminism. her mother was the head of the connecticut women's suffrage organization. her aunt was also a campaigner for loan suffrage. and katharine hepburn herself, campaigned as a small child with balloons at protests. votes for women! etc. so i was getting this first impact. 1920s and 1930s at the woman had just won the right to vote in 1920. and you know, we want, the actual paid for -- i was given

the lead letter to the editor. when the soviets launched valentina -- into space, she was the first woman to enter space. a time when women were banned from the american space program. i wrote a letter. i was 16 years old. this was before now it was ever found it. and i said that this happened, she went to space on the very anniversary of amelia ehrhardt flying the atlantic. an accident is obvious that ms. ehrhardt's aspirate equal opportunity for american women still remains to be won. and i tried to join the women's movement and did not succeed. because they had all different things about speech, they were anti-arts, i mean go down the

line. later i would become what they call a process feminist. in 1970s for example, i loved charlie's angels. i love cosmopolitan magazine. i love the covers. meanwhile the other ones were occupying offices in wanted home magazines be shut down. i love the james bond girls. and when -- coming out of the water in her white bikini. so i loved the dallas cowboy cheerleaders. there is no way i could be taken into the women's movement. i was drummed right out of it from the start. people say she was made by -- i was not made by betty for dan. as a say in the book, betty did not create me in upstate new york. and it is about time people

realize the transformations and women that happen very radically in the mid 20th century are not entirely due to the women's movement. i show an introduction to this book, many things preceded the creation of now. i mean you are diana and the avengers was in a black leather catsuit doing all of that stuff. any betty friedan did not create her either. anyway, i don't want to get sidetracked because the whole thing will turn to that. let me -- only have a certain amount of time. let me see. what happened was, at madonna. madonna was so important. the weight she is behaving out such an embarrassment because the current madonna bears no resemblance to the pioneering madonna of the 1980s and 90s. but she will live forever for she did. the pro-sex feminist movement

of the 1990s was made possible by madonna's trifling with pornography and exposure of the body and so on. enter brilliant videos of the 80s and 90s. i believe there truly works of art. her great.was 1983 through 1992. and i periodically do show some of those videos. and these are truly works of art. at any rate, all of a sudden this long wing of feminism, the pro- sex wing in the 1990s, it was feminist for free expression for example. that i was alive with. we were fighting against the horrible storage of political correctness and suppression of free fun and free speech. in the 1980s in the anti-porn movement led by catherine mckinnon and --, fanatics. i include in this book what i think is a classic attack on them. i called them the rebirth of

--. those women, they wrote an ordinance which was indeed adopted by minneapolis in indianapolis. to shut down even men's magazines in the timely playboy and penthouse and so on. on the grounds that supposedly it caused violence against women. rape, murder etc. these people were truly deranged. they ruled the 1980s and feminism. then thanks to madonna by pro-sex wing rose up. and it also was helped along by the lipstick lesbians of san francisco. there was like a cell of them. then we went national and i thought now we have one. there's no problem. so i retired from the scene in 1994. after being there a number of years. and went back to what i do. wrote books on movies. alfred hitchcock's the birds.

i read a book on poetry, the arts. and now i have been researching native american culture of the northeast. that is what i am doing. but now i have to go back on the road, okay? 23 years later have to return? all of a sudden we have gone from d ãfull circle again. we have people smashing windows at berkeley. okay, the place, the capital where they have the free speech movement and so on. so here i am again. [laughter] i am not happy about this. i would rather be due my native american research. now, what else you?how much time do i have? how many minutes do i have? 10 more minutes, good! so now a number of things. first of all when calling for, the title of my book which is free women, free men.

i'm calling for an end to the sex work and feminism here women are well launched. this reflects, snide, putdowns of men that, this has got to stop. now i know this wherever i go in the world, upper-middle-class career women are very unhappy. they're very unhappy. even though they might have achieved a certain status. what i am saying, feminist have to stop blaming men for their own unhappiness. the unhappiness is through i believe due to huge systemic changes that for thousands of years, women had their own world. there was the world of women. and there was the world of men. and the sexes did not have that much to do with each other. this is a brand-new experiment. to have this new system we now women can be economically independent now.

they no longer dependent on a father or husband or brother. but they're working side-by-side with men in the workplace. this is an experiment. it has never happened before. i was saying in the month that will method except a certain amount of tension between the sexes in the workplace. the feminist idea that we can just suppress man enough, women will be happy. i say no. i say, and this is on the basis of my own experience as a child and italian-american community is that what women have lost is the old solidarity that they once had many totally ruled the private sphere. the women's life all day long was with other women. multigenerational. older women as well as with children. it was a huge tribal experience. but now women are feeling a sense of isolation and

loneliness. disconnection from their old function.i'm not saying to the back, that's not what i'm saying. i'm just saying stop blaming men. for example, these marches that just happened. people were exhilarated and almost hysterical. i don't think it had anything to do with feminism for anti-trump or anything like that.i think is that woman suddenly felt that surge of happiness again for being with other women. you can actually see this in the odyssey when odysseus is washed up, naked and alone and on the shores wave to the sound of women's voices. laughing and singing and so on. and the princess going down to do laundry on the shore. an actual event that is exactly what was going on up until fairly recently. we women were altogether. they did all of the chores together. they did laundry, cooking, i remember this for my child put

into a funeral for my grandparents because my mother were born in italy.i actually had that experience. and this experience would have been thousands of years.women altogether. in fact my mother described as a small child in italy how all the women would get together to do the laundry and go up the hill to a fountain cut of the subdimensions. probably webex thousands of years. she remember the singing, the picnicking etc. even the people were laboring physically in the area, there is a happiness. a sense of identity. there was no quest for identity. now it is no place for an independent thinker. if you are an independent thinker you know options as a woman except to become a nun. so i know i would have been a nun. 100 years ago. obviously, no communities are intellectually repressive in their own way.

nevertheless, we are in a period now of quest for identity. tremendous pressures on young people to form their own identity separate from the old automatic tribal community affiliations. i think as a classroom teacher of now, more than 40 years, i can see this. and it is really you know a tremendous sense of psychological dislocation among young people. and they find many ways to try to achieve some sort of identity. part of it right out of course is social media. which is causing the total entropy in terms of ability to reason and read and write you know the old things. now, i am also calling for an end to this insanity of excluding biology from gender studies. how in the world did this

happen? had women's studies and gender studies and up teaching about gender without any reference whatever to biology or to hormones? and right now poststructuralism dominates gender studies everywhere. and i spent six months writing my deception of -- 27 years ago. anyone who thinks the -- is most of the universe clearly is not read my exposure. the man was 1/4. i'm sorry. there, compared to freud, i mean if freud is out and he is in. the poststructuralist, -- what were they doing in the past few decades with this crazy parasitic growth of this administrator master class jet

has taken over the university. in a period of obscene rise in tuition cost. student debt that is crippling families and so on. where were the great leftists on the college campuses? or were they resisting the administrators? with a do-nothing student debts? where they -- no! they were into conferences. they thought that his leftism? these poststructuralist other words mercenary careerists. in this country. deleting poststructuralist and new historicists are retiring as multimillionaires. and they pose as leftists. it is a scandal. and forget -- it is absurd. he biology and authentic study

of medicine, anthropology and history. back into gender studies. those of them definitely calling for. there are -- i'm on the warpath again. the bureaucracy of the campuses. and in my first job in the 1970s, we, 1976, when an uprising. as faculty against the trustees. and the administrators.it was a huge publicized, they brought this up for esquire magazine. and the faculties are totally castrated. what are they doing? the faculties of actually been marginalized in this country. and they did not utter a peep as this took over. administrators who are in league with federal mandates and federal authorities in washington. i mean we're living in an age of stalinism right now. leftists have talked a big

talk. they do nothing where it really matters. which is demand 50 percent reduction in the number of administrators. and 75 percent reduction in salaries and often exceeds that of the faculty members. and we realize how many of the elves i am decrying about this impression of speech and free thought on campus. coming from administrators who are these social welfare do-gooders.oscar wilde was absolutely scathing about the humanitarians. these aggressive philanthropists predominated the victorian period. okay, at any rate, in terms of other things in the book the reprint of what i consider important piece of mine and "time magazine" were called for the end of this outrageous and age 21 law in the united states. where young people cannot buy and fear, okay?

nowhere in the world except in very repressive regimes, you know like the united arab emirates and so on.exactly what, mothers against drunk driving, they wandered into an area here that has been extremely destructive. when that rule was passed in 1984, what did young people do and now, they began taking the club draft of course. ecstasy and all this crap that they take into their bodies. what has happened to the ability of young people to go to a bar, learn how to drink and sensible way and an adult context. be able to sit with the opposite sex, learn how to talk, how to flirt. discuss ideas. an absolutely is a cruel law, no one -- even marijuana in colorado. young people cannot get a glass of beer when they arrived in college.you know how rages

that is? why are you outraged? [laughter] what else here? i have had quite a few things. this is good. just to return to what i was saying about the solidarity women, i feel that probably part of my ability to analyze things comes from my exposure to almost a kind of capsule version of human history. -- the powerful country woman who had immigrated and there's a whole piece my book about southern woman. the power of the world paradigm and the strength of seven women and so on. we were, a whole ton of us from italy concentrated in this area

of the triple cities in upstate new york. because of the shoe factories. i then had a direct experience of the industrial era which followed this area. my grandfather, they went to factories that dominated the smokestacks in that. before environmental laws. the suit would be heavy on windowsills. you can smell the polls and so on. so then my father fresh out of the -- after world war ii was able to go to college with the g.i. bill. my parents admit 21 so he was mopping the cafeteria floor. the only member of his large family to go to college. and he became a schoolteacher and a professor at lemoyne college in syracuse. so we moved into the new

service sector economy. in my own life, experience all of these transitions in human history. so i think it has given me a kind of insight into change. what i sang in the book is that the country woman, were more powerful than any feminist. they were literally in that. before automatic washers and dryers. and when did laundry by hand. often remember my grandmother watching on the back porch with the washboard. there were powerful like this. and these women had big voices. and big attitudes. i mean once my father was teaching high school in the small farming town of oxford, new york have lived on the upper floor of the farmhouse. there was a hilarious moment. my father was out with his brother. they were sitting outside smoking a cigarette and some lady, the form woman yelled at them. they had escaped from the barn

and she said, stop her! to my father and my uncle. and the calf thundered by and my father and uncle just step backwards. and they chased the calf and the woman came back carrying the calf. and she said, men! for thousands of years, the country woman had physical power and mental power and they were the equals of men. in fact there is no coincidence that the first states and territories give the women the right to vote were in the west. the pioneer areas where it was obvious that women are equal to men whereas right to the very end, the educated states, this is really great universities were like in pennsylvania and new york state in massachusetts refused to grant women the right to vote. not until the constitutional

amendment was passed. in 1920. it was because a differential between the upper-middle-class man, the upper-middle-class woman and it was very profound. a lady seemed to be a different entity and to be former emotional and rather delicate accenture.so there was the idea of granting such woman however, admirable the right to vote was not as easy as it was for the territories. i mean - let's go to the question period. >> hi. >> hi. >> thank you. i did not know this talk was happening until right before so thank you for coming. often times in discussions i'm having with people who i have

gone to school with and friends of mine often times things quickly get lost and no neurons exist there. often times it feels like really the best thing that a male can do is to die. and i realize that now hearing you talk and everything that this is kind of the result of the pendulum being swung very far to one end. i was wondering he thought that we were, are we now at the point where it has to spin back into a more kind of moderate, let's all actually do something together and treated others equals, all genders, all races kind of thing? >> i am calling from men to control again their own lives. i said in a recent interview that if there is a women's center at yale university, which there is for undergraduates, then they should be immense center. this is the absolute equality. in dementia be totally free to

do whatever they want.they can show dirty movies or whatever they want.this constantly beating down of men. this demand that men redefine themselves until they suit what feminists want them to be, it is an outrage. and i'm saying throughout this book and the pieces that written over the years that civilization with all of its protections inconveniences, is essentially the invention of man. i explained that in my first book where i say women's persona is so enormous that men have to go off and create these structures. but it is men who are doing all of the time of the hardest and dirtiest work in society. i told in a recent interview of, a whole list of things. when there is an ice storm in the northeast, it is the men who go out at 2:00 a.m. with

the live wires and so, i rarely see women going out and doing that. i never see women manning the great tar in the heat of summer that people are mixing to put on a roof. i never see women, as i did last year, with an enormous sewerage break in a neighboring town where men in hazmat suits were up to their knees in wastewater. okay, not a single woman wants to volunteer work. people are still depending on men and keeping working-class men invisible. i have lost an attack resembling sheryl sandberg. as incredibly smugly entitled. talking about leaning in while at the same time concealing from site all of those services she has and nannies that she has who are working-class people that are supporting her

particular public myself. i think in general, men are erased and working-class people are erased. and this has to stop. we need a much more enlightened feminism. i think most men are in favor of women rising in society and being in charge. we're no longer in the old days. i want men to recover a sense of who they are as men again. and not feel they have to obey any list or checklist issued by gloria steinem and company in manhattan. okay. >> hello. >> hi. >> a lot of what you're saying very offensive and bothersome to me as a fixed gendered man living in the year 2017 and the

city and to your point about the ice storm in the northeast is that women are not out there fighting them, why don't you think about like the institutions that like brokers and my progressions and the sexism on his fears of the working class man? i am a landscaper and i can tell you that there is a huge degree of light - okay, my question is about deeply sexism is relevant?because you said that women have to stop living men for their unhappiness. in their discussion in the workplace that women are treated as less smart. and less capable and it seems that your words are reinforcing this notion in terms of the

workplace. >> i am in equity feminists. i believe in the removal of all advances in women's advances in society, in the professional and political world. so absolutely, i am focused on in the essence of work place sexism. in my writing we are not simply not working individuals. there is a public side of our lives in the private side of our lives. and central persona in a book, i talked about the psychological, the dreamlike of mankind. there are all kinds of primitive impulses in us that are very -- do we want to understand ourselves as human beings or what? but we cannot simply define human beings in terms of what are in the workplace or in the political realm.

and i believe that was actually the biggest left of the 1960s. we were talking about turning away from materialistic careerism and embarking on a kind of cosmic quest for meaning in the universe. i think my work offers a dual perspective. i'm talking about women's advance in society. that helps that and also talk about our need as human beings to expand our imaginations. even though i'm an atheist, have a very spiritualistic view of the universe and that is my particular vibration with native american culture. for the last nine years i'm trying to map the actual metaphysical religious perspective of the ancient native americans my views of things are very much involved with that.

>> thank you for coming camille.i have one of d ãi have seen your videos. i cannot remember which video it is that you talk about college education and you are fed up with the whole cafeteria thing called adventure on major purity that we should go back to a survey sort of. and i graduated from college several modular never taken a survey course in my life. my mom told me to talk about, what do you think would benefit that type of education? >> is an absolute disaster was happened in the last 30 years. i think i was a career college teacher. and this is the generation into the cafeteria thing. stacy can take this or this or this and narrow courses with

professors teaching basically what they're interested in. and the best education gives a broad view. the abandonment of the great survey courses has been a cultural disaster in the country. what used to be you had two semesters, he would begin with the stone age and move all the way down by the end of the second semester to abstract expression and modernism. this is a sense of the narrative of history. but of course, with modernism and -- there is a narrative in history. there is. i have talked about how the pillar forms were created by, in protest at the parent complex in egypt that can be seen five dozen years later. you know all of the united states and europe and so on. people who deal with artifacts of archaeology and history, can

recognize the legacy and the continuity and cultural traditions. so yes, i think that colleges need to be very stripped down here they need to be making decisions about how to or what they are going to teach. i can say for 25 years, for me the best multiculturalism would be to teach comparative religion. the world religions as a way to introduce students to the world. not just the western tradition but the entire world. if my plan had been followed we would not have a lot of incomprehension about islam. people would already know about this. they would be able to discuss and say this group is following these particular verses of the koran. and it would not be this task that we have right now. and this period of secular humanism is an absolute failure.

young people are starved for meaning. that's why they're clinging to politics. but you cannot think to politics. it is a minor part of human existence. there is something much bigger. something much much bigger. there are whole balls of deep meaning out there. beyond the political realm. i'm not saying not to demand social reform. i'm not saying. it seems to be progressive and to look for the most just human society possible. but i'm saying that there is a kind of mania abroad right now. a total obsession with politics. this is a betrayal of the legacy of the 60s. a betrayal of the tremendous vision, the cousin vision of the 1960s. i've written about this.i believe the reason for that is that the apostles of that

particular spiritual quest of the 60s, they took so much jealousy they never came back. they never wrote the books that should have been the companion book to my own work. thank you for your question. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming. i read sexual persona during the time when i was recovering from a -- with sexism. it is definitely something that affects a lot of women. what can our male allies do to help alleviate the situation and work place sexism in a way that doesn't overly blame them? >> i am saying that a real man is honorable. a real man respect women. and that any man who abuses women or treats them in a

degrading fashion it has some inner sense that a woman's overwhelming power and to prove that i had to write a book. so i am calling for initial respect between the sexes but i'm also calling for middle-class girls to stop asking for special protection. again i want equality of treatment in the workplace. but i think there is too much decrying of men's behavior when in fact were too many white upper middle-class girls are bringing now to the workplace is a certain manner of speaking that is removed from the actual harshness of the world. is actually working class women. when they come from the farmland article from the streets. understand the risks and dangers of the world. the most controversial writing

i have done is about the need for women to be amazon worriers for themselves. my philosophy is streetsmart feminism. for amazon is in. that's why i oppose with weapons in summary my pictures. it is up to women themselves to understand the dangers of the world. not expect the world to be an extension of their protective comfortable middle-class living room. and that i think is what is happened. i see women who whose voices are not strong enough. women have to learn not to be embarrassed to be loud, and to confront when it happens. i've seen too many cases of women who feel something is demeaning or except it. number no, the first time it

happened to speak out. he speak out.you stop it. you're in their face with immediately. do you see? that is what i believe i represent. which is that every moment every day, you have responsibility to protect your own dignity. okay? and it does not matter if you are embarrassed or you create an embarrassing situation. you protect yourself! when my generation arrived in college and 64 the rules were in full power.so that at harper college, the state university of new york at binghamton. the girls had to sign in at 11 o'clock at night into the world. the guys go wrong. so is my generation of women. we want the same equality and freedom the manager. the college health. the world is dangerous and we must protect you.

we must protect you against great. and we said, give us the freedom to risk rape. freedom. it displays me to see women here wanting this back. wanting the oversight. wanting to run to committees with something when it goes wrong on a date. i oppose that. i think women have got to stop doing after they have to govern their own relationships. with men or anyone else. and that is the only way women will ever become totally free and totally equal. >> thank you for that.>> thank you. >> you just mentioned, you compared the agrarian. with the physical effort with the area that created strength in women and men. and then going into the modern era where people were fragile.

do you think that modern society would acknowledge this a sustainable, constantly we are removing all of our stresses and all of our efforts from the environment. >> i am concerned. yes, technology today has become our art form. there is no doubt that the modulations and evolution of our handheld devices and so on, the equivalence of our forms and in of the society. but i am very concerned about the dependency on this new virtual reality. i love the web. -- i've been part of this etc. but i'm very concerned because i see a pattern from ancient history which is when you have empires which become extremely affluent and extremely complicated with a, you have

complex bureaucratic structures and everything gets so interwoven that is very easy for the whole thing to collapse. at the same time you get an excellent educated class that is extremely tolerant.and rather hedonistic. that has no scruples about homosexuality or anything goes. in the ancient roman. they are vacationing on capri and pompeii and so on. i am concerned that we are heading toward a civilization that is so complex and dependent them other people. and all will take is one gigantic asteroid first. that takes down the power grid and all of a sudden mankind

will be scrabbling back to the primitive and barbaric realm again. i do feel some concern about the fragility of the culture and all removal from nature. and risk secular humanism, it has also gone, his cousin vision we are talking about. and the lack of this larger perspective.i mean i don't, i think there is reason - i feel shadows coming. >> i see no exit from this cycle. >> in my theory of history, it is cyclic. i believe everything. i say kind of organic patterns in history as an artistic styles. people begin and ideas, high energy, a ghost or certain point and then you start to get the decadence. i love that. oscar wilde was after my very first influence.

i feel like i am a decadence in imperial rome. i'm very interested in androgyny. that has been my subject since i was in college. i consider myself transgender. and i think people started to understand that my book sexual personae is a transgender book. it was a transgender protest against the power of nature. finally, i think he was going to wake up to that. >> it is very nice to see another second tier native and binghamton grad. >> i'm sorry? >> i said, is very nice to see another -- and binghamton grad. >> oh great. >> our fathers knew each other and you're very big on extended family clan and a tribe.

what sort of paradigm would you see for making this relevant in the 21st century? >> well i am not sure that we could ever recover but tribal connectedness. but i do see it still surviving for a working class family. much more than for upper-middle-class families. i noticed this for example when going to the new jersey shore to walk on the beach and so on. i see in the working class resorts like the wildwood and how often you have multigenerational's of families vacationing together is quite nostalgic. it is something that is completely gone from the upper-middle-class.the more affluent you are, the less likely it is that you will be going to vacation with your parents. where people run off to

expensive resorts and caribbean and so on. they're not taking the grandparents with them. but working class families, every we can use the immigrants family still, african-american families still, they come for a day in the park with the food, toys, footfalls, etc. they have barbecue pits, park benches. they spend a whole day there, multi-generations of the family altogether for the day at the park. every time i see that it takes me all the way back to what i remember which is that everyone knowing each other. people came from the same town in italy and people would grow up next to each other. in a people did not move. today we are in a very transient culture where people get a job hundreds of miles, thousand miles far from extended family.

what you have today is this great difficulty for women trying to manage our household. and also a job at the same time. simultaneous is the collapse of the old extended family into the nuclear family. what i'm saying in my work is that the nuclear family is toxic. and this is what conservatives who talk about the need for two-parent family and so on, i am going - it is brought most of human history there has never been a two-parent family. it has been multigenerational family that raised the children. not just, so i believe that what we have today in america so often is like this houses lined up next to each other with two-parent family and the children. it is actually a toxic cubicle for neurosis. i don't necessarily think that is ever been a healthy prescription for children to be

raised. another thing is that at first, the woman benefited enormously from the invention of all is laborsaving appliances like the automatic washer and dryer and so on. it seems women so much time to do all the laborious chores and doing laundry and squeezing the water out and so on. but now today, the laundry which used to be a communal activity with other women has turned into an isolated lonely thing. you are trapped in a house to do laundry. etc. and the higher up that you our annapolis then you do not know your neighbors. and if you know the neighbors you would never dream of saying to them, nothing has come up, 10 you watch my children? you would never do that in a million years. as an affluent neighborhood.

whereas in working-class neighborhood people know each other, they trust each other and also, people in working-class neighborhoods particularly cities in south philadelphia, oriented toward the streets. there watching, they are sitting on the stoop, the porch. there is a sense of a neighborhood. a real community of the old days. again, i think that as people move up the economic scale in terms of affluence and power in the workplace, their actually getting more and more neurotic. because of the psychological dislocation though things have not been fully confronted. i do not know how to recover these things but i do think that it is useful for women to realize how much they have lost in terms of their solidarity with other women. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. i hope you'll forgive me. i am pretty obsessed with politics. >> i .

>> i would love to know what you think about donald trump. >> i supported bernie sanders and voted for jill stein. i view the victory of donald trump as a response to the failures of the democratic party. to confront real problems, long-standing problems in the united states. and the democrats had no solutions to this. i felt this coming for a very long time. i thought it was a terrible mistake to allow the d&c to push hillary clinton through this as a nominee. i'm sorry, that is my opinion. i do not think quite frankly, was i been younger candidates of both parties. i think it is about time for my generation, the baby boomers to get off the stage. you know, wanted nominees for both parties to be younger

people in their 40s or early 50s. and i don't know how it happened that we end up with so many older nominees. i think that, i hope it will be a great blast of energy into the political system soon. but it is important for my party, for the democrats to do clear eyed analysis of the reason for the loss. and there are real issues. reduction of the federal bureaucracy. was an issue. the democrats were helpless with. i think that bureaucracy is to me, an octopus, a parasite. whether it is in washington or on college campuses. bureaucrats are absolutely soulless. anytime you alone and d ã

anytime you allow an entity to be run by that i don't call it progressive. progressive is to deconstruct the bureaucracy. so again, democrats have to come up with better solutions to problems and they will start winning again. >> thank you. >> okay, sure. >> i would just like to talk about the differences between men and women that you think are really important. whether they are hardwired or developed over thousands of years in feeling, thinking, sex drive, workplace. >> well, i analyze at length in sexual persona. i speak about biological factors and the way that the mind works. for example, it is slightly satirical in chapter 1 in sexual persona but i think i'm right. which is that boys have to

learn because of the general anatomy, how to aim. if they do not learn how to aim, okay? when they tried to urinate, they will soil themselves and the wall and everything else. okay? they must learn to aim. and eventually, that carries over into the sex act. so i talked about that focus and propose sickness of directing this. and how freud talks about how primitive man fence himself on his ability to put out a fire with a stream of urine. and i say, that is a strange thing to be proud of. but beyond the scope of any woman. who would scorch her hands in the process of trying to put out a fire with a stream of urine. so i do believe that our sexual differences, i think that as

simulations involved, as they become more complicated that gender eventually has a performance quality that it becomes an artifact. like other artifacts like works of art. that is why i have a 700 page book on my first book for the subject. and their fundamental sexual differences that come from the fact that most men have 8 to 10 times the amount of testosterone in their bodies than women do. and that, i mean my entire life i've noticed. men talk and think different. heterosexual men talk and think different than the woman thing. i remember my father saying that he would listen to women talking. my mother, my aunt and he said he could never follow the conversation. that no names were being used. and sentences were not being ended. but you never knew exactly what they were talking about.okay? understand myself. he was a od he, he saw that,

oh, okay. he saw that she saw? okay. and that's why i love the real housewives. i adore the real housewives. gloria steinem hates it. but the real housewives absolutely, they record documents the way women are in a group. maybe not dissenting women, maybe not lesbian women, and tucking the heterosexual women. in a group.i love to be around heterosexual women talking in a group.consider light of day men. that's why the stylus and so on and so forth.it is a weird energy. that women have with each other. it was all way back to the hunting and gathering arab where women were all talking with each other around the heart while the men went off hunting and had to be quiet and silent while they stopped the prey. you see?the targeted men did not last long. [laughter] but, at the same time so i do feel that transgender people and many gay

men occupy middle ground between the sexes. and a tremendous amount of history of the arts was created in a middle ground. that the transgender -- had a vision of the universe. but by logically speaking, every single cell of the human body has a dna code that tells you the actual gender of the body. i think that is a lot of talk these days about the ability to change sex. but you cannot change sex. you can make modifications of the body. you can take hormones that further change the appearance of the body. but ultimately, a certain point, every single cell in the human body will continue to show that it is either male or female. except for very tiny number of truly intersex people.

now i do not know what, exactly belong to. i do, never a day in my life have i felt female. i never felt admitted in my life like female. but i don't feel like a man either. so i am willing to acknowledge that i have a gender dysphoria. and out of that gender dysphoria i made a lot of books, okay? my books are my sex change. i said sexual persona is the biggest sex change in history. in effect the truest thing ever said about sexual persona was about this gay intellectual guy and messages is that renegade and -- myra breckinridge was a transsexual. -- my voice is the voice of a

transsexual. this is absolutely true. but nevertheless, i believe and that is why call my book free women, three men. it is time, transgender people in the middle, actually gain identity from the existence of the mass of men and the mass of women. so i plug you as a man. [laughter] >> thank you so much for being bold and going into these non- pc realm. it empowers people as me. i grew up a baptist as you will. i made the jump to with their and and i would like to ask you, for my perspective libertarianism is about empowerment. it is the party of the women should be migrated to in my opinion. >> yes. >> in your opinion how do we draw more women into that

libertarian philosophy and explained to them that it is the party of the empowerment? whereas democrats, progressive, the idea is to replace men with the government. where's the libertarian pope philosophy is to empower women and while ultimately empowering men. >> i do, civil libertarian as well. even though not really part of the libertarian party. but i think this is really true. and it is what you said is exactly right. we cannot have a situation where women now, go to the government for the now figures which we should depend on economic sustenance. at that many more parties in the united states. the problem is we have these join big ten parties. they talk about all of the oxygen and money and become a kind of porridge. there is no clear -- countries

that have multiple parties are often very effective. have these coalitions to governance i can see the difficulty of multiple parties in a country of our size. but there is absolutely no doubt that we need drastic reform of the present party structure. they will only come from a challenge. that's why i'm trying to develop the green party. even i do not necessarily agree with everything the green party stands for. yes, so are you, would be silly you are in terms of economic policy as a libertarian, do you think he tends more toward conservative or capitalist or? >> i consider myself fiscally conservative i think free enterprise is brought more people out. i travel overseas quite a bit and see that. i think we are facing a situation where we do not have free enterprise. we have regulation and taxation that is suppressing individuals

to the advantage of too big to fail corporations. bail out the banks, we take out the homeowners. i was a yes, and fiscally conservative. >> i feel that what we need in, especially in the inner-city. in high school is teaching of entrepreneurship. to disadvantaged youth. to show them the way that the system can work and everything, the kind of thing the comfortable middle-class and upper-middle-class young people get from the parents. they know about banking and investments and so on. i mean i definitely believe in a much more jobs oriented educational system.at the high school and college level. >> thank you so much. keep doing what you are doing. be the change. >> very good. no more questions? okay. thank you very much for coming. [applause]

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